Well that's a really big wall of post you got there, and while it's informative I would like for you (and everyone else really) to tone it down to keep the environment friendly. In particular, we don't need the immense use of bolding because that's just plain obnoxious. @Ranking: Honestly...why are we discussing ladder rankings? That is irrelevant to the topic at hand and is really a shady way to determine a player's skill. I could mention all my laddering accomplishments but really, it would only serve as a way to inflate ego... And then what? Lugia can't phaze it out because it would risk getting hit by a full blown Ice Beam in the face (which, yes, OHKOes Lugia cleanly from 100%). The moment Lugia reaches to full health and Kyurem-W is paralyzed, then it's forced to switch out or risk dying. Modest Specs Ice Beam vs 252 HP Lugia: 103%-121.6% And this is why I placed Lugia in tier 1, but it still remains that stall does not require Lugia to function properly, whereas entry hazards/spinblocking/Wish are essential. The problem with paralysis support from Lugia is that the most common way to stop it is to use defensive Pokemon who don't care about paralysis at all. Stuff like Forretress would gladly take TWave from Lugia to avoid getting burned by Giratina and friends. Not that Thunder Wave is a not a good choice, but as a supporting move it's not quite as universal. Speaking of which, most Lugia stoppers don't care about Toxic either. If any offensive Pokemon should deserve its own tier, it's Kyogre, because while it is powerful in itself, it can also share its power with the rest of the team due to Drizzle. It's the Pokemon that makes Kabutops, Manaphy, Kingdra and Thunder strong choices in Ubers, and Omastar, Tornadus-T, and Jynx viable. Then there are also defensive implications of Drizzle but that isn't really a big part to the offensive tier list.