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Data Usage-Based Tier Update for September 2017 (Oct quick-changes @74)

Discussion in 'Smogon Metagames' started by Antar, Sep 4, 2017.

  1. Yung Dramps

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    hoopa-u, mega gallade and mega heracross have all been quick-banned
  2. sumwun

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    Maybe we should all go back to playing Generation 6 UU.
  3. TimG57867

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    HOLY POWER CREEP. Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon aren't even out yet and it's already utter chaos in these tiers. Once they do release it'll, be like having to start all over again. The inevitable new forms. The tutors. The new Z-Moves...I can hear all the metagames crying already.
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  4. sumwun

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    Also, can drizzle be un-banned in the lower tiers now that all the best swift swimmers are OU?
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  5. BPGXMG

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    I strongly doubt that Swift Swim will be unbanned. Omastar and Kabutops are still ridiculously good sweepers, and there's far too much else to deal with in the lower tiers - particularly UU - to even consider re-introducing any new threats at this point. IMO, with the volatility that OU has - and by extension UU - it's unlikely that much is gonna get unbanned in the lower tiers this generation. It wasn't this bad in Gen 6 I don't believe. I'm not a tier leader or council member though, so I can't speak for them.
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  6. Galaxium

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    Welp shit, looks like i won't be playing UU until probably next gen.
  7. Joe Career

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    Play RU then.
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  8. Krokorona

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    lol UU is hella turbulent this gen. first UBs and manaphy and now this.

    I can definitely see a HO based meta with all these amazing wallbreakers like Hoopa-U and M-Gardevoir, but I'm pretty sure half of these mons will be quickbanned in the next few days so enjoy them while you can.
  9. Hydreigonfan01

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    Hoopa-U was automatically banned to BL. Mega Gardevoir is pretty fun to bust through Stall with though due to taunt to stop Blissey and Hyper Voice busts through everything else.
    Last edited: Sep 7, 2017
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  10. Earlio

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    I'd reckon you mean Blissey and not Chansey.
    Anyhow I can see Nihilego actually staying as it's typing is still really weird both offensively and defensively and Scizor eats it for breakfast.
  11. BPGXMG

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    Yeah, Nihilego is staying for sure. Not too great in the current steel-heavy UU.
    Gardevoir-Mega and Jirachi just need to go tho.
  12. Rotom's Pokedex

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    | 4 | Primarina | 13.974% |
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    | 53 | Alakazam-Mega | 2.914% |
    | 61 | Gyarados-Mega | 2.551% |

    These should drop to BL.
  14. BPGXMG

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    they're ou by technicality at this point, but that seems to have been removed so they'll just stay ou i think.
  15. Yung Dramps

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    Nope. Mega Garchomp is OU by technicality.
  16. Reviloja753

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    What’s the difference between BL and OU by technicality? Is Smogon just refusing to admit the mega is worse than the base?
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  17. Swagodile

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    The base form is OU, and you have to use the base form to use the Mega. That's how it differs from BL.
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  18. Fanyfan

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    BL is banned from UU or "Borderline". OU by Technicality means that the base form is OU but the mega doesn't get enough usage to be OU and can't drop down to UU. Obviously some megas are worse then the base forms, Smogon isn't trying to deny that at all.

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  19. Le teamribou

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    No: The fact is that BL is a bannlist of all the pokemon that should be UU because of their low usage in OU, but are too powerful for UU. Therefore, the pokemon should be banned from the UU tier before being listed as BL, and because the mega aren't usable in UU at all, then you have to be using their base form, who is in OU by usage, these mega aren't banned from UU, and can't be put in BL.
  20. Reviloja753

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    Kinda forgot that since you would need the base form to use the stone you could technically use chomp in UU LOL
  21. Yasuo

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    So, will they stay in OU next update or will they be dropped? I get that they aren't in BL because you can't use them in UU at all due to their base formes being banned, but I think the OU usage cutoff should be given as a requirement for those Mega evolutions too, if we go the route 3.41% usage = OU.

    Wouldn't it be possible to place them in BL
    a) in form of a UU quickban because at least Zam won't be worse than it's normal form for sure or
    b) placing them in OU by techniciality like we do with Garchomp

    It just doesn't feel right to have pokemon with too less usage in the OU list of the tiers, I hope you understand my point.
  22. TheCtes

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    Why did you guys start talking about Garchomp, when the question was about Alakazam and Gyarados?

    UU has decided to ban Alakazam and Gyarados, thus putting the two in BL. When they're banned, their megas are too regardless of whether or not they were ever usually in the tier. Banning a Pokemon with a mega evolution automatically means banning use of the said same Pokemon with its mega stone, and nothing else makes sense. If Mega Alakazam and Mega Gyarados were UU by the time Alakazam and Gyarados were banned (ignoring how weird it would be that the megas weren't then looked at for the sake of my point), then no one would have said the megas should have moved to OU instead of BL simply because they weren't the ones actually getting banned.
    It makes sense with Mega Latios and Mega Garchomp to have their megas listed in OU because Latios and Garchomp are there. It makes no sense with Mega Alakazam and Mega Gyarados to be OU when their base forms are BL. This seems like a no brainer to me.
    The reason it hasn't been done, I assume is just because whichever tool Antar is using to determine drops doesn't check BL tiers, it checks the tier below, in this case UU, which isn't an issue from a practical perspective anyways.

    Even if you disagree with this, Mega Alakazam is currently listed OU and Mega Gyarados is listed BL, which tells you there is an oversight somewhere.
  23. Antar

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    TheCtes, I'm not sure what's going on with Mega-Alakazam and Mega-Gyarados. My scripts *should* have put them both in BL.

    In any case, here are the quick-changes for October:

    OU (open)
    Code:
    Combined usage for OU
    + ---- + ------------------ + ------- +
    | Rank | Pokemon            | Percent |
    + ---- + ------------------ + ------- +
    | 1    | Landorus-Therian   | 42.966% |
    | 2    | Tapu Koko          | 24.386% |
    | 3    | Magearna           | 21.662% |
    | 4    | Ferrothorn         | 17.486% |
    | 5    | Greninja-Ash       | 17.150% |
    | 6    | Tapu Lele          | 16.808% |
    | 7    | Zygarde            | 15.613% |
    | 8    | Heatran            | 14.920% |
    | 9    | Excadrill          | 13.574% |
    | 10   | Greninja           | 12.866% |
    | 11   | Kartana            | 11.751% |
    | 12   | Toxapex            | 11.711% |
    | 13   | Celesteela         | 11.408% |
    | 14   | Mimikyu            | 10.970% |
    | 15   | Scizor-Mega        | 10.559% |
    | 16   | Latios             | 10.249% |
    | 17   | Mew                |  9.550% |
    | 18   | Tangrowth          |  9.341% |
    | 19   | Tapu Fini          |  8.740% |
    | 20   | Clefable           |  8.607% |
    | 21   | Chansey            |  8.499% |
    | 22   | Garchomp           |  8.471% |
    | 23   | Zapdos             |  8.416% |
    | 24   | Tapu Bulu          |  8.041% |
    | 25   | Keldeo             |  7.456% |
    | 26   | Magnezone          |  7.453% |
    | 27   | Mawile-Mega        |  7.267% |
    | 28   | Diancie-Mega       |  7.158% |
    | 29   | Pelipper           |  7.012% |
    | 30   | Skarmory           |  6.941% |
    | 31   | Lopunny-Mega       |  6.597% |
    | 32   | Kyurem-Black       |  6.587% |
    | 33   | Pinsir-Mega        |  6.577% |
    | 34   | Hawlucha           |  6.549% |
    | 35   | Victini            |  6.424% |
    | 36   | Swampert-Mega      |  6.033% |
    | 37   | Tyranitar          |  5.776% |
    | 38   | Gyarados-Mega      |  5.734% |
    | 39   | Medicham-Mega      |  5.292% |
    | 40   | Marowak-Alola      |  4.852% |
    | 41   | Charizard-Mega-X   |  4.625% |
    | 42   | Venusaur-Mega      |  4.498% |
    | 43   | Kingdra            |  4.460% |
    | 44   | Volcarona          |  4.401% |
    | 45   | Ninetales-Alola    |  4.225% |
    | 46   | Sableye-Mega       |  4.098% |
    | 47   | Bisharp            |  3.738% |
    | 48   | Manaphy            |  3.654% |
    | 49   | Gengar             |  3.524% |
    | 50   | Charizard-Mega-Y   |  3.475% |
    | 51   | Alakazam-Mega      |  3.454% |
    | 52   | Hoopa-Unbound      |  3.165% |
    | 53   | Dragonite          |  3.118% |
    | 54   | Tyranitar-Mega     |  3.010% |
    | 55   | Latias-Mega        |  2.789% |
    | 56   | Serperior          |  2.700% |
    | 57   | Jirachi            |  2.624% |
    | 58   | Gyarados           |  2.477% |
    | 59   | Mantine            |  2.446% |
    | 60   | Weavile            |  2.404% |
    | 61   | Azelf              |  2.346% |
    | 62   | Cresselia          |  2.176% |
    | 63   | Rotom-Wash         |  2.128% |
    | 64   | Azumarill          |  2.056% |
    | 65   | Nihilego           |  1.884% |
    | 66   | Manectric-Mega     |  1.869% |
    | 67   | Tornadus-Therian   |  1.836% |
    | 68   | Ditto              |  1.708% |
    | 69   | Hippowdon          |  1.627% |
    | 70   | Shuckle            |  1.585% |
    | 71   | Uxie               |  1.543% |
    | 72   | Suicune            |  1.508% |
    | 73   | Crawdaunt          |  1.457% |
    | 74   | Latias             |  1.443% |
    | 75   | Smeargle           |  1.405% |
    | 76   | Gliscor            |  1.364% |
    | 77   | Gallade-Mega       |  1.348% |
    | 78   | Salamence          |  1.318% |
    | 79   | Thundurus-Therian  |  1.306% |
    | 80   | Quagsire           |  1.295% |
    | 81   | Gastrodon          |  1.257% |
    | 82   | Mamoswine          |  1.233% |
    | 83   | Heracross-Mega     |  1.170% |
    | 84   | Hydreigon          |  1.059% |
    | 85   | Thundurus          |  1.056% |
    | 86   | Amoonguss          |  1.034% |
    | 87   | Breloom            |  1.023% |
    | 88   | Dugtrio            |  1.009% |
    | 89   | Scizor             |  0.977% |
    | 90   | Mandibuzz          |  0.953% |
    | 91   | Buzzwole           |  0.935% |
    | 92   | Porygon-Z          |  0.930% |
    | 93   | Infernape          |  0.904% |
    | 94   | Staraptor          |  0.871% |
    | 95   | Volcanion          |  0.868% |
    | 96   | Beedrill-Mega      |  0.844% |
    | 97   | Conkeldurr         |  0.815% |
    | 98   | Scolipede          |  0.813% |
    | 99   | Tentacruel         |  0.803% |
    | 100  | Terrakion          |  0.802% |
    | 101  | Altaria-Mega       |  0.801% |
    | 102  | Muk-Alola          |  0.798% |
    | 103  | Alomomola          |  0.792% |
    | 104  | Chandelure         |  0.784% |
    | 105  | Slowbro            |  0.780% |
    | 106  | Starmie            |  0.748% |
    | 107  | Garchomp-Mega      |  0.726% |
    | 108  | Xurkitree          |  0.713% |
    | 109  | Raichu-Alola       |  0.692% |
    | 110  | Empoleon           |  0.650% |
    | 111  | Camerupt-Mega      |  0.649% |
    | 112  | Latios-Mega        |  0.639% |
    | 113  | Porygon2           |  0.633% |
    | 114  | Reuniclus          |  0.630% |
    | 115  | Gardevoir-Mega     |  0.624% |
    | 116  | Nidoking           |  0.602% |
    | 117  | Diggersby          |  0.589% |
    | 118  | Alakazam           |  0.572% |
    | 119  | Togekiss           |  0.568% |
    | 120  | Cloyster           |  0.565% |
    | 121  | Goodra             |  0.530% |
    | 122  | Talonflame         |  0.527% |
    | 123  | Klefki             |  0.522% |
    | 124  | Seismitoad         |  0.474% |
    | 125  | Slowbro-Mega       |  0.472% |
    | 126  | Araquanid          |  0.446% |
    | 127  | Forretress         |  0.441% |
    | 128  | Snorlax            |  0.422% |
    | 129  | Galvantula         |  0.420% |
    | 130  | Darmanitan         |  0.405% |
    | 131  | Blissey            |  0.398% |
    | 132  | Espeon             |  0.397% |
    | 133  | Aerodactyl-Mega    |  0.384% |
    | 134  | Cofagrigus         |  0.378% |
    | 135  | Sharpedo-Mega      |  0.374% |
    | 136  | Sceptile-Mega      |  0.373% |
    | 137  | Umbreon            |  0.349% |
    | 138  | Arcanine           |  0.333% |
    | 139  | Donphan            |  0.327% |
    | 140  | Pyukumuku          |  0.309% |
    | 141  | Torkoal            |  0.299% |
    | 142  | Venusaur           |  0.293% |
    | 143  | Metagross          |  0.289% |
    | 144  | Houndoom-Mega      |  0.284% |
    | 145  | Aerodactyl         |  0.272% |
    | 146  | Ampharos-Mega      |  0.270% |
    | 147  | Nidoqueen          |  0.269% |
    | 148  | Dhelmise           |  0.263% |
    | 149  | Primarina          |  0.250% |
    | 150  | Whimsicott         |  0.247% |
    | 151  | Ludicolo           |  0.247% |
    | 152  | Slowking           |  0.246% |
    | 153  | Kyurem             |  0.245% |
    | 154  | Hoopa              |  0.243% |
    | 155  | Shedinja           |  0.240% |
    | 156  | Milotic            |  0.235% |
    | 157  | Raikou             |  0.234% |
    | 158  | Kabutops           |  0.234% |
    | 159  | Politoed           |  0.231% |
    | 160  | Crobat             |  0.229% |
    | 161  | Xatu               |  0.229% |
    | 162  | Jolteon            |  0.228% |
    | 163  | Swampert           |  0.224% |
    | 164  | Decidueye          |  0.222% |
    | 165  | Bronzong           |  0.214% |
    | 166  | Blastoise-Mega     |  0.206% |
    | 167  | Abomasnow-Mega     |  0.206% |
    | 168  | Sylveon            |  0.203% |
    | 169  | Entei              |  0.201% |
    | 170  | Rotom-Heat         |  0.199% |
    | 171  | Salazzle           |  0.197% |
    | 172  | Banette-Mega       |  0.194% |
    | 173  | Rhyperior          |  0.193% |
    | 174  | Celebi             |  0.188% |
    | 175  | Krookodile         |  0.183% |
    | 176  | Necrozma           |  0.182% |
    | 177  | Tornadus           |  0.179% |
    | 178  | Zoroark            |  0.178% |
    | 179  | Pidgeot-Mega       |  0.171% |
    | 180  | Mienshao           |  0.169% |
    | 181  | Vaporeon           |  0.168% |
    | 182  | Kommo-o            |  0.168% |
    | 183  | Haxorus            |  0.167% |
    | 184  | Heracross          |  0.156% |
    | 185  | Steelix-Mega       |  0.149% |
    | 186  | Lycanroc           |  0.148% |
    | 187  | Lucario            |  0.140% |
    | 188  | Absol-Mega         |  0.138% |
    | 189  | Aggron-Mega        |  0.128% |
    | 190  | Tsareena           |  0.128% |
    | 191  | Roserade           |  0.126% |
    | 192  | Chesnaught         |  0.124% |
    | 193  | Doublade           |  0.122% |
    | 194  | Machamp            |  0.121% |
    | 195  | Feraligatr         |  0.116% |
    | 196  | Noivern            |  0.116% |
    | 197  | Golisopod          |  0.114% |
    | 198  | Swellow            |  0.113% |
    | 199  | Persian-Alola      |  0.111% |
    | 200  | Omastar            |  0.105% |
    | 201  | Slurpuff           |  0.103% |
    | 202  | Toxicroak          |  0.100% |
    + ---- + ------------------ + ------- +
    

    UU (open)
    Code:
    Combined usage for UU
    + ---- + ------------------ + ------- +
    | Rank | Pokemon            | Percent |
    + ---- + ------------------ + ------- +
    | 1    | Scizor             | 37.286% |
    | 2    | Rotom-Wash         | 24.492% |
    | 3    | Gliscor            | 23.198% |
    | 4    | Latias             | 23.180% |
    | 5    | Jirachi            | 21.651% |
    | 6    | Infernape          | 17.661% |
    | 7    | Weavile            | 15.789% |
    | 8    | Gardevoir-Mega     | 14.069% |
    | 9    | Hydreigon          | 13.821% |
    | 10   | Krookodile         | 12.657% |
    | 11   | Cobalion           | 11.303% |
    | 12   | Manectric-Mega     | 11.123% |
    | 13   | Primarina          | 10.410% |
    | 14   | Mamoswine          |  9.789% |
    | 15   | Altaria-Mega       |  9.782% |
    | 16   | Klefki             |  9.468% |
    | 17   | Nihilego           |  9.038% |
    | 18   | Tentacruel         |  8.725% |
    | 19   | Sharpedo-Mega      |  8.497% |
    | 20   | Chandelure         |  8.253% |
    | 21   | Amoonguss          |  8.203% |
    | 22   | Swampert           |  8.179% |
    | 23   | Latias-Mega        |  7.681% |
    | 24   | Blissey            |  7.574% |
    | 25   | Azelf              |  7.396% |
    | 26   | Beedrill-Mega      |  6.933% |
    | 27   | Forretress         |  6.882% |
    | 28   | Togekiss           |  6.785% |
    | 29   | Crawdaunt          |  6.534% |
    | 30   | Hippowdon          |  6.404% |
    | 31   | Crobat             |  6.283% |
    | 32   | Raikou             |  6.111% |
    | 33   | Empoleon           |  6.041% |
    | 34   | Terrakion          |  5.986% |
    | 35   | Muk-Alola          |  5.969% |
    | 36   | Alomomola          |  5.839% |
    | 37   | Suicune            |  5.700% |
    | 38   | Magneton           |  5.698% |
    | 39   | Haxorus            |  5.639% |
    | 40   | Starmie            |  5.424% |
    | 41   | Nidoking           |  5.355% |
    | 42   | Darmanitan         |  5.345% |
    | 43   | Mantine            |  5.291% |
    | 44   | Celebi             |  5.199% |
    | 45   | Volcanion          |  5.170% |
    | 46   | Arcanine           |  4.771% |
    | 47   | Aerodactyl-Mega    |  4.663% |
    | 48   | Mandibuzz          |  4.494% |
    | 49   | Sceptile-Mega      |  4.478% |
    | 50   | Entei              |  4.382% |
    | 51   | Heracross          |  4.379% |
    | 52   | Sylveon            |  4.132% |
    | 53   | Blastoise-Mega     |  3.974% |
    | 54   | Mienshao           |  3.842% |
    | 55   | Gallade-Mega       |  3.825% |
    | 56   | Metagross          |  3.534% |
    | 57   | Talonflame         |  3.496% |
    | 58   | Aggron-Mega        |  3.257% |
    | 59   | Doublade           |  2.985% |
    | 60   | Pidgeot-Mega       |  2.963% |
    | 61   | Lucario            |  2.703% |
    | 62   | Smeargle           |  2.565% |
    | 63   | Heracross-Mega     |  2.487% |
    | 64   | Zygarde-10%        |  2.330% |
    | 65   | Snorlax            |  2.092% |
    | 66   | Steelix-Mega       |  2.035% |
    | 67   | Decidueye          |  1.902% |
    | 68   | Tsareena           |  1.789% |
    | 69   | Tornadus           |  1.760% |
    | 70   | Quagsire           |  1.707% |
    | 71   | Ampharos-Mega      |  1.558% |
    | 72   | Kyurem             |  1.467% |
    | 73   | Galvantula         |  1.407% |
    | 74   | Porygon2           |  1.374% |
    | 75   | Absol-Mega         |  1.257% |
    | 76   | Gastrodon          |  1.245% |
    | 77   | Reuniclus          |  1.234% |
    | 78   | Nidoqueen          |  1.202% |
    | 79   | Hawlucha           |  1.192% |
    | 80   | Cofagrigus         |  1.146% |
    | 81   | Cresselia          |  1.144% |
    | 82   | Rotom-Mow          |  1.144% |
    | 83   | Donphan            |  1.137% |
    | 84   | Rotom-Heat         |  1.073% |
    | 85   | Chesnaught         |  1.037% |
    | 86   | Roserade           |  0.985% |
    | 87   | Shuckle            |  0.979% |
    | 88   | Slowbro            |  0.918% |
    | 89   | Espeon             |  0.893% |
    | 90   | Bronzong           |  0.859% |
    | 91   | Umbreon            |  0.825% |
    | 92   | Cloyster           |  0.795% |
    | 93   | Uxie               |  0.747% |
    | 94   | Milotic            |  0.710% |
    | 95   | Toxicroak          |  0.700% |
    | 96   | Bewear             |  0.693% |
    | 97   | Whimsicott         |  0.688% |
    | 98   | Dhelmise           |  0.678% |
    | 99   | Camerupt-Mega      |  0.675% |
    | 100  | Hoopa              |  0.673% |
    | 101  | Goodra             |  0.664% |
    | 102  | Feraligatr         |  0.664% |
    | 103  | Machamp            |  0.655% |
    | 104  | Kommo-o            |  0.652% |
    | 105  | Ninetales-Alola    |  0.646% |
    | 106  | Golisopod          |  0.620% |
    | 107  | Seismitoad         |  0.597% |
    | 108  | Honchkrow          |  0.582% |
    | 109  | Banette-Mega       |  0.579% |
    | 110  | Florges            |  0.571% |
    | 111  | Flygon             |  0.545% |
    | 112  | Jellicent          |  0.517% |
    | 113  | Abomasnow-Mega     |  0.509% |
    | 114  | Froslass           |  0.508% |
    | 115  | Linoone            |  0.494% |
    | 116  | Venomoth           |  0.468% |
    | 117  | Salazzle           |  0.451% |
    | 118  | Ditto              |  0.440% |
    | 119  | Shaymin            |  0.440% |
    | 120  | Jolteon            |  0.439% |
    | 121  | Pyukumuku          |  0.437% |
    | 122  | Moltres            |  0.430% |
    | 123  | Araquanid          |  0.408% |
    | 124  | Necrozma           |  0.406% |
    | 125  | Aerodactyl         |  0.402% |
    | 126  | Swellow            |  0.395% |
    | 127  | Venusaur           |  0.393% |
    | 128  | Slurpuff           |  0.392% |
    | 129  | Torkoal            |  0.378% |
    | 130  | Vaporeon           |  0.377% |
    | 131  | Aurorus            |  0.366% |
    | 132  | Heliolisk          |  0.358% |
    | 133  | Noivern            |  0.344% |
    | 134  | Diancie            |  0.340% |
    | 135  | Rhyperior          |  0.280% |
    | 136  | Slowking           |  0.267% |
    | 137  | Dragalge           |  0.261% |
    | 138  | Sandslash-Alola    |  0.255% |
    | 139  | Ninetales          |  0.246% |
    | 140  | Zoroark            |  0.243% |
    | 141  | Vikavolt           |  0.226% |
    | 142  | Omastar            |  0.215% |
    | 143  | Xatu               |  0.213% |
    | 144  | Blastoise          |  0.208% |
    | 145  | Sharpedo           |  0.207% |
    | 146  | Cryogonal          |  0.202% |
    | 147  | Gardevoir          |  0.199% |
    | 148  | Pangoro            |  0.199% |
    | 149  | Meloetta           |  0.194% |
    | 150  | Hitmontop          |  0.193% |
    | 151  | Stoutland          |  0.187% |
    | 152  | Hitmonlee          |  0.185% |
    | 153  | Virizion           |  0.180% |
    | 154  | Weezing            |  0.173% |
    | 155  | Yanmega            |  0.172% |
    | 156  | Minior             |  0.170% |
    | 157  | Registeel          |  0.164% |
    | 158  | Medicham           |  0.161% |
    | 159  | Gigalith           |  0.160% |
    | 160  | Lycanroc           |  0.159% |
    | 161  | Glalie-Mega        |  0.152% |
    | 162  | Drapion            |  0.150% |
    | 163  | Mismagius          |  0.149% |
    | 164  | Escavalier         |  0.148% |
    | 165  | Tyrantrum          |  0.145% |
    | 166  | Druddigon          |  0.145% |
    | 167  | Steelix            |  0.139% |
    | 168  | Kabutops           |  0.138% |
    | 169  | Scrafty            |  0.138% |
    | 170  | Exeggutor-Alola    |  0.138% |
    | 171  | Typhlosion         |  0.127% |
    | 172  | Tangela            |  0.125% |
    | 173  | Golbat             |  0.124% |
    | 174  | Comfey             |  0.122% |
    | 175  | Emboar             |  0.120% |
    | 176  | Victreebel         |  0.115% |
    | 177  | Durant             |  0.114% |
    | 178  | Gligar             |  0.113% |
    | 179  | Accelgor           |  0.110% |
    | 180  | Eelektross         |  0.110% |
    | 181  | Electivire         |  0.110% |
    | 182  | Charizard          |  0.103% |
    | 183  | Lanturn            |  0.102% |
    + ---- + ------------------ + ------- +
    

    RU (open)
    Code:
    Combined usage for RU
    + ---- + ------------------ + ------- +
    | Rank | Pokemon            | Percent |
    + ---- + ------------------ + ------- +
    | 1    | Doublade           | 20.665% |
    | 2    | Nidoqueen          | 19.939% |
    | 3    | Sharpedo           | 18.785% |
    | 4    | Registeel          | 18.037% |
    | 5    | Gligar             | 15.515% |
    | 6    | Donphan            | 15.317% |
    | 7    | Salazzle           | 14.422% |
    | 8    | Chesnaught         | 13.311% |
    | 9    | Kommo-o            | 12.080% |
    | 10   | Honchkrow          | 11.800% |
    | 11   | Cresselia          | 11.670% |
    | 12   | Milotic            | 11.382% |
    | 13   | Feraligatr         | 11.352% |
    | 14   | Umbreon            | 10.719% |
    | 15   | Galvantula         | 10.689% |
    | 16   | Flygon             | 10.626% |
    | 17   | Zygarde-10%        | 10.552% |
    | 18   | Espeon             |  9.911% |
    | 19   | Abomasnow-Mega     |  9.233% |
    | 20   | Pangoro            |  9.034% |
    | 21   | Bronzong           |  8.576% |
    | 22   | Porygon2           |  8.184% |
    | 23   | Rotom-Heat         |  7.886% |
    | 24   | Bewear             |  7.533% |
    | 25   | Gardevoir          |  7.492% |
    | 26   | Araquanid          |  7.287% |
    | 27   | Swellow            |  7.030% |
    | 28   | Zoroark            |  6.652% |
    | 29   | Durant             |  6.632% |
    | 30   | Decidueye          |  6.628% |
    | 31   | Quagsire           |  6.545% |
    | 32   | Machamp            |  6.535% |
    | 33   | Linoone            |  6.274% |
    | 34   | Roserade           |  6.203% |
    | 35   | Snorlax            |  6.201% |
    | 36   | Bruxish            |  6.135% |
    | 37   | Cloyster           |  6.135% |
    | 38   | Shaymin            |  6.087% |
    | 39   | Diancie            |  6.080% |
    | 40   | Froslass           |  6.015% |
    | 41   | Moltres            |  6.014% |
    | 42   | Blastoise          |  5.863% |
    | 43   | Escavalier         |  5.740% |
    | 44   | Banette-Mega       |  5.642% |
    | 45   | Jolteon            |  5.498% |
    | 46   | Glalie-Mega        |  5.320% |
    | 47   | Meloetta           |  5.131% |
    | 48   | Rhyperior          |  5.065% |
    | 49   | Camerupt-Mega      |  4.789% |
    | 50   | Dhelmise           |  4.748% |
    | 51   | Tyrantrum          |  4.571% |
    | 52   | Dragalge           |  4.516% |
    | 53   | Golisopod          |  4.312% |
    | 54   | Florges            |  4.166% |
    | 55   | Comfey             |  4.091% |
    | 56   | Torkoal            |  3.906% |
    | 57   | Hoopa              |  3.777% |
    | 58   | Drapion            |  3.776% |
    | 59   | Tsareena           |  3.609% |
    | 60   | Goodra             |  3.602% |
    | 61   | Aurorus            |  3.585% |
    | 62   | Venusaur           |  3.491% |
    | 63   | Gigalith           |  3.304% |
    | 64   | Aerodactyl         |  3.170% |
    | 65   | Heliolisk          |  3.011% |
    | 66   | Cryogonal          |  2.841% |
    | 67   | Toxicroak          |  2.675% |
    | 68   | Slurpuff           |  2.348% |
    | 69   | Xatu               |  2.180% |
    | 70   | Mismagius          |  2.122% |
    | 71   | Sandslash-Alola    |  1.945% |
    | 72   | Necrozma           |  1.890% |
    | 73   | Emboar             |  1.854% |
    | 74   | Virizion           |  1.828% |
    | 75   | Cofagrigus         |  1.668% |
    | 76   | Whimsicott         |  1.654% |
    | 77   | Golbat             |  1.612% |
    | 78   | Hitmonlee          |  1.594% |
    | 79   | Shuckle            |  1.566% |
    | 80   | Yanmega            |  1.556% |
    | 81   | Jellicent          |  1.453% |
    | 82   | Ninetales          |  1.388% |
    | 83   | Slowbro            |  1.333% |
    | 84   | Seismitoad         |  1.299% |
    | 85   | Exploud            |  1.297% |
    | 86   | Scrafty            |  1.272% |
    | 87   | Noivern            |  1.239% |
    | 88   | Archeops           |  1.199% |
    | 89   | Barbaracle         |  1.163% |
    | 90   | Slowking           |  1.156% |
    | 91   | Mantine            |  1.131% |
    | 92   | Uxie               |  1.030% |
    | 93   | Rotom-Mow          |  1.025% |
    | 94   | Charizard          |  1.003% |
    | 95   | Hitmontop          |  0.969% |
    | 96   | Stoutland          |  0.953% |
    | 97   | Ribombee           |  0.912% |
    | 98   | Leafeon            |  0.869% |
    | 99   | Omastar            |  0.867% |
    | 100  | Sableye            |  0.860% |
    | 101  | Braviary           |  0.832% |
    | 102  | Typhlosion         |  0.819% |
    | 103  | Aromatisse         |  0.799% |
    | 104  | Steelix            |  0.753% |
    | 105  | Ferroseed          |  0.721% |
    | 106  | Persian-Alola      |  0.719% |
    | 107  | Kadabra            |  0.689% |
    | 108  | Accelgor           |  0.644% |
    | 109  | Vaporeon           |  0.637% |
    | 110  | Victreebel         |  0.619% |
    | 111  | Delphox            |  0.611% |
    | 112  | Malamar            |  0.587% |
    | 113  | Piloswine          |  0.579% |
    | 114  | Ambipom            |  0.578% |
    | 115  | Ditto              |  0.577% |
    | 116  | Shiftry            |  0.577% |
    | 117  | Claydol            |  0.574% |
    | 118  | Vivillon           |  0.561% |
    | 119  | Sneasel            |  0.555% |
    | 120  | Audino-Mega        |  0.551% |
    | 121  | Minior             |  0.516% |
    | 122  | Houndoom           |  0.497% |
    | 123  | Sigilyph           |  0.491% |
    | 124  | Vikavolt           |  0.476% |
    | 125  | Medicham           |  0.472% |
    | 126  | Druddigon          |  0.469% |
    | 127  | Vanilluxe          |  0.460% |
    | 128  | Cinccino           |  0.454% |
    | 129  | Pyukumuku          |  0.451% |
    | 130  | Mesprit            |  0.400% |
    | 131  | Poliwrath          |  0.354% |
    | 132  | Granbull           |  0.352% |
    | 133  | Meowstic           |  0.351% |
    | 134  | Qwilfish           |  0.327% |
    | 135  | Lycanroc           |  0.320% |
    | 136  | Beartic            |  0.308% |
    | 137  | Sawsbuck           |  0.306% |
    | 138  | Skuntank           |  0.288% |
    | 139  | Flareon            |  0.286% |
    | 140  | Crabominable       |  0.273% |
    | 141  | Gastrodon          |  0.271% |
    | 142  | Sawk               |  0.257% |
    | 143  | Weezing            |  0.252% |
    | 144  | Exeggutor          |  0.251% |
    | 145  | Absol              |  0.246% |
    | 146  | Gurdurr            |  0.223% |
    | 147  | Shedinja           |  0.220% |
    | 148  | Exeggutor-Alola    |  0.217% |
    | 149  | Lurantis           |  0.211% |
    | 150  | Articuno           |  0.201% |
    | 151  | Hitmonchan         |  0.198% |
    | 152  | Kabutops           |  0.197% |
    | 153  | Heatmor            |  0.196% |
    | 154  | Palossand          |  0.196% |
    | 155  | Incineroar         |  0.189% |
    | 156  | Clawitzer          |  0.185% |
    | 157  | Cradily            |  0.183% |
    | 158  | Komala             |  0.182% |
    | 159  | Aggron             |  0.178% |
    | 160  | Electivire         |  0.177% |
    | 161  | Rhydon             |  0.176% |
    | 162  | Tangela            |  0.173% |
    | 163  | Scyther            |  0.171% |
    | 164  | Kingdra            |  0.171% |
    | 165  | Sceptile           |  0.165% |
    | 166  | Gallade            |  0.164% |
    | 167  | Magmortar          |  0.164% |
    | 168  | Avalugg            |  0.163% |
    | 169  | Carbink            |  0.161% |
    | 170  | Drampa             |  0.155% |
    | 171  | Klinklang          |  0.154% |
    | 172  | Kricketune         |  0.147% |
    | 173  | Wishiwashi         |  0.147% |
    | 174  | Dodrio             |  0.147% |
    | 175  | Liepard            |  0.145% |
    | 176  | Kecleon            |  0.145% |
    | 177  | Samurott           |  0.144% |
    | 178  | Lilligant          |  0.143% |
    | 179  | Miltank            |  0.136% |
    | 180  | Ninjask            |  0.136% |
    | 181  | Turtonator         |  0.135% |
    | 182  | Trevenant          |  0.135% |
    | 183  | Rampardos          |  0.130% |
    | 184  | Zangoose           |  0.129% |
    | 185  | Spiritomb          |  0.127% |
    | 186  | Eelektross         |  0.118% |
    | 187  | Diglett            |  0.112% |
    | 188  | Golem-Alola        |  0.111% |
    | 189  | Staryu             |  0.109% |
    | 190  | Dugtrio-Alola      |  0.107% |
    | 191  | Slaking            |  0.107% |
    | 192  | Mudsdale           |  0.105% |
    | 193  | Lapras             |  0.105% |
    | 194  | Dusclops           |  0.105% |
    | 195  | Leavanny           |  0.100% |
    + ---- + ------------------ + ------- +
    

    NU (open)
    Code:
    Combined usage for NU
    + ---- + ------------------ + ------- +
    | Rank | Pokemon            | Percent |
    + ---- + ------------------ + ------- +
    | 1    | Steelix            | 24.938% |
    | 2    | Emboar             | 22.805% |
    | 3    | Slowbro            | 19.293% |
    | 4    | Rotom-Mow          | 17.276% |
    | 5    | Xatu               | 17.095% |
    | 6    | Hitmonlee          | 16.384% |
    | 7    | Mismagius          | 15.584% |
    | 8    | Whimsicott         | 15.494% |
    | 9    | Golbat             | 14.252% |
    | 10   | Virizion           | 13.076% |
    | 11   | Vanilluxe          | 13.068% |
    | 12   | Sneasel            | 12.955% |
    | 13   | Vikavolt           | 12.734% |
    | 14   | Rhydon             | 12.677% |
    | 15   | Delphox            | 12.408% |
    | 16   | Garbodor           | 12.194% |
    | 17   | Seismitoad         | 11.150% |
    | 18   | Sceptile           | 10.199% |
    | 19   | Druddigon          | 10.125% |
    | 20   | Barbaracle         |  9.908% |
    | 21   | Braviary           |  9.461% |
    | 22   | Cryogonal          |  8.228% |
    | 23   | Malamar            |  8.086% |
    | 24   | Incineroar         |  7.858% |
    | 25   | Slowking           |  7.824% |
    | 26   | Scrafty            |  7.566% |
    | 27   | Toxicroak          |  7.300% |
    | 28   | Hitmontop          |  7.246% |
    | 29   | Omastar            |  7.068% |
    | 30   | Houndoom           |  7.004% |
    | 31   | Cinccino           |  6.812% |
    | 32   | Guzzlord           |  6.716% |
    | 33   | Vaporeon           |  6.520% |
    | 34   | Froslass           |  6.356% |
    | 35   | Shuckle            |  6.315% |
    | 36   | Audino-Mega        |  5.982% |
    | 37   | Vileplume          |  5.884% |
    | 38   | Ambipom            |  5.773% |
    | 39   | Minior             |  5.399% |
    | 40   | Sigilyph           |  5.111% |
    | 41   | Jellicent          |  4.818% |
    | 42   | Uxie               |  4.798% |
    | 43   | Typhlosion         |  4.764% |
    | 44   | Dodrio             |  4.692% |
    | 45   | Clawitzer          |  4.660% |
    | 46   | Accelgor           |  4.578% |
    | 47   | Scyther            |  4.180% |
    | 48   | Hariyama           |  4.083% |
    | 49   | Spiritomb          |  4.019% |
    | 50   | Vivillon           |  3.856% |
    | 51   | Medicham           |  3.715% |
    | 52   | Piloswine          |  3.715% |
    | 53   | Claydol            |  3.698% |
    | 54   | Rotom              |  3.675% |
    | 55   | Sandslash-Alola    |  3.454% |
    | 56   | Aromatisse         |  3.394% |
    | 57   | Samurott           |  3.343% |
    | 58   | Aurorus            |  3.149% |
    | 59   | Mesprit            |  2.843% |
    | 60   | Togedemaru         |  2.836% |
    | 61   | Skuntank           |  2.699% |
    | 62   | Qwilfish           |  2.694% |
    | 63   | Archeops           |  2.680% |
    | 64   | Gallade            |  2.530% |
    | 65   | Klinklang          |  2.292% |
    | 66   | Exeggutor-Alola    |  1.903% |
    | 67   | Weezing            |  1.813% |
    | 68   | Drapion            |  1.809% |
    | 69   | Sawk               |  1.677% |
    | 70   | Golurk             |  1.589% |
    | 71   | Komala             |  1.540% |
    | 72   | Tauros             |  1.538% |
    | 73   | Kabutops           |  1.384% |
    | 74   | Pyukumuku          |  1.378% |
    | 75   | Turtonator         |  1.376% |
    | 76   | Hitmonchan         |  1.333% |
    | 77   | Machamp            |  1.282% |
    | 78   | Gourgeist-Super    |  1.156% |
    | 79   | Gurdurr            |  1.130% |
    | 80   | Combusken          |  1.126% |
    | 81   | Liepard            |  1.084% |
    | 82   | Miltank            |  1.068% |
    | 83   | Magmortar          |  1.051% |
    | 84   | Abomasnow          |  1.036% |
    | 85   | Raichu-Alola       |  0.963% |
    | 86   | Ludicolo           |  0.952% |
    | 87   | Crustle            |  0.943% |
    | 88   | Drampa             |  0.889% |
    | 89   | Leavanny           |  0.884% |
    | 90   | Eelektross         |  0.854% |
    | 91   | Kangaskhan         |  0.805% |
    | 92   | Probopass          |  0.804% |
    | 93   | Lycanroc           |  0.791% |
    | 94   | Lilligant          |  0.774% |
    | 95   | Charizard          |  0.770% |
    | 96   | Lurantis           |  0.724% |
    | 97   | Sableye            |  0.722% |
    | 98   | Lanturn            |  0.703% |
    | 99   | Avalugg            |  0.662% |
    | 100  | Granbull           |  0.649% |
    | 101  | Persian-Alola      |  0.648% |
    | 102  | Ferroseed          |  0.644% |
    | 103  | Absol              |  0.615% |
    | 104  | Haunter            |  0.604% |
    | 105  | Manectric          |  0.589% |
    | 106  | Regirock           |  0.579% |
    | 107  | Primeape           |  0.579% |
    | 108  | Gastrodon          |  0.577% |
    | 109  | Dusknoir           |  0.558% |
    | 110  | Articuno           |  0.556% |
    | 111  | Type: Null         |  0.550% |
    | 112  | Silvally-Ghost     |  0.547% |
    | 113  | Musharna           |  0.519% |
    | 114  | Pinsir             |  0.513% |
    | 115  | Ditto              |  0.507% |
    | 116  | Aggron             |  0.507% |
    | 117  | Sandslash          |  0.480% |
    | 118  | Ursaring           |  0.473% |
    | 119  | Rampardos          |  0.468% |
    | 120  | Raticate-Alola     |  0.439% |
    | 121  | Dusclops           |  0.436% |
    | 122  | Silvally-Steel     |  0.411% |
    | 123  | Golem-Alola        |  0.410% |
    | 124  | Cradily            |  0.388% |
    | 125  | Electivire         |  0.387% |
    | 126  | Zangoose           |  0.377% |
    | 127  | Mawile             |  0.367% |
    | 128  | Kecleon            |  0.366% |
    | 129  | Crabominable       |  0.365% |
    | 130  | Lycanroc-Midnight  |  0.360% |
    | 131  | Meowstic           |  0.357% |
    | 132  | Electrode          |  0.357% |
    | 133  | Torterra           |  0.348% |
    | 134  | Shiftry            |  0.348% |
    | 135  | Togetic            |  0.338% |
    | 136  | Marowak            |  0.330% |
    | 137  | Victreebel         |  0.328% |
    | 138  | Altaria            |  0.325% |
    | 139  | Stunfisk           |  0.318% |
    | 140  | Pyroar             |  0.315% |
    | 141  | Beartic            |  0.315% |
    | 142  | Regice             |  0.311% |
    | 143  | Silvally-Fairy     |  0.311% |
    | 144  | Masquerain         |  0.308% |
    | 145  | Walrein            |  0.301% |
    | 146  | Golduck            |  0.300% |
    | 147  | Lickilicky         |  0.296% |
    | 148  | Armaldo            |  0.287% |
    | 149  | Slaking            |  0.283% |
    | 150  | Arbok              |  0.282% |
    | 151  | Pawniard           |  0.278% |
    | 152  | Mudsdale           |  0.275% |
    | 153  | Toucannon          |  0.271% |
    | 154  | Trevenant          |  0.270% |
    | 155  | Stoutland          |  0.270% |
    | 156  | Cacturne           |  0.270% |
    | 157  | Audino             |  0.267% |
    | 158  | Lapras             |  0.262% |
    | 159  | Tangela            |  0.261% |
    | 160  | Ninjask            |  0.258% |
    | 161  | Bibarel            |  0.255% |
    | 162  | Dugtrio-Alola      |  0.249% |
    | 163  | Passimian          |  0.246% |
    | 164  | Hippopotas         |  0.236% |
    | 165  | Ariados            |  0.234% |
    | 166  | Jynx               |  0.233% |
    | 167  | Poliwrath          |  0.229% |
    | 168  | Noctowl            |  0.228% |
    | 169  | Sawsbuck           |  0.224% |
    | 170  | Butterfree         |  0.212% |
    | 171  | Shedinja           |  0.211% |
    | 172  | Wishiwashi         |  0.211% |
    | 173  | Silvally-Electric  |  0.204% |
    | 174  | Mr. Mime           |  0.199% |
    | 175  | Chatot             |  0.199% |
    | 176  | Kadabra            |  0.199% |
    | 177  | Rotom-Frost        |  0.193% |
    | 178  | Quagsire           |  0.189% |
    | 179  | Camerupt           |  0.184% |
    | 180  | Zebstrika          |  0.183% |
    | 181  | Gorebyss           |  0.183% |
    | 182  | Basculin           |  0.182% |
    | 183  | Floatzel           |  0.177% |
    | 184  | Swoobat            |  0.173% |
    | 185  | Glaceon            |  0.170% |
    | 186  | Flareon            |  0.170% |
    | 187  | Shiinotic          |  0.165% |
    | 188  | Muk                |  0.159% |
    | 189  | Golem              |  0.151% |
    | 190  | Carbink            |  0.145% |
    | 191  | Leafeon            |  0.144% |
    | 192  | Pikachu            |  0.143% |
    | 193  | Simisage           |  0.143% |
    | 194  | Luxray             |  0.139% |
    | 195  | Oricorio-Sensu     |  0.138% |
    | 196  | Lampent            |  0.136% |
    | 197  | Wartortle          |  0.133% |
    | 198  | Lopunny            |  0.130% |
    | 199  | Shellder           |  0.128% |
    | 200  | Drifblim           |  0.127% |
    | 201  | Bouffalant         |  0.124% |
    | 202  | Palossand          |  0.122% |
    | 203  | Ampharos           |  0.117% |
    | 204  | Exeggutor          |  0.116% |
    | 205  | Roselia            |  0.106% |
    | 206  | Seaking            |  0.103% |
    | 207  | Kingler            |  0.102% |
    | 208  | Beheeyem           |  0.100% |
    + ---- + ------------------ + ------- +
    


    Ampharos-Mega moved from UU to RU
    Dugtrio moved from OU to UU
  24. sumwun

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    Thus begins Dugtrio's slow descent to untiered. Using it to break OU was fun while it lasted. RIP.
    Last edited: Oct 7, 2017
  25. Megazard

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    | 32 | Guzzlord | 6.716% |
    Antar does this mean that guzzlord goes from PU to NU? I don't know what the different cutoff is for quick rises, it says 4.52% in the June thread although stats were a bit out of whack back then. 6.7% seems pretty damning though.

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