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Data Usage-based Tier Updates for June

Discussion in 'Smogon Metagames' started by Antar, Jun 7, 2017.

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  1. BPGXMG

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    I doubt it'll be too broken, with Xurkitree providing healthy competition and there being plenty that can wall Manaphy, such as bulky waters. In addition, it has a somewhat mediocre matchup vs offense without the Water Z set, which has coverage issues. That being said, I do see it possibly getting banned.

    I'm just glad PU no longer has to contend with AV though.
  2. YanVictor95

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    Lol so Mega Sableye is not OU-worthy? 20 base speed, just like Mega Camel. Speed doesn't matter in these cases ... If a mon can do an eapecific thing (or a lot of things) really well, it will be good even with 5 base speed. In Camel's case, it can break a bunch of walls in OU with ease, so it's pretty good in the tier.
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  3. The Heartless Dictator

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    Oh boy, pretty sure Manaphy will cause a big splash (heh) in the UU tier.

    Nice to get Mega Aggron back though. Scolipede is a nice addition too.
  4. Venoxio

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    Scoli is BL rip

    Aggron will be nice considering it provides a nice sponge against offensive teams. Mega Rupt also looks to be somewhat viable, cause like in OU it'll just shred balance.

    Manaphy may actually not be broken, cause its speed leaves stuff to be desired and it does have coverage issues. It will cause a rift tho.
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  5. Talpr0ne

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    Antar you keep forgetting about Mega Gyarados. Not that it really matters since it would automatically be BL, but I guess it's misleading to have it listed as ou when it's actually not.
    | 68 | Gyarados-Mega | 1.950% |
  6. ZardX

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    Oh. Thank you for your response
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  7. ZardX

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    it won't last very long. Probably a few days.
  8. PJSaltine

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    | 61 | Gardevoir-Mega | 2.547% |

    Just a stupid question. Is there a reason that this mon stays in OU ?
  9. lino49

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    How many time to get the tier updates on showdown?
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    People sleeping on Manaphy when Manaphy + Veil might be the wildest shit ever LOL

    Mega Aggron is a nice addition too, although MegaLix does give it some competition.
  11. sumwun

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    This is a quick rise/drop month, so the cutoff for dropping is around 2.3%. More formal tier updates happen every three months.
    At least once every three months, when the usage stats servers are working.
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  12. PJSaltine

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    thanks
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  13. TheCtes

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    Somewhat surprised to see Lopunny with that much usage, I guess it'll be a bit less in the coming months.

    Pelipper and Mega Swampert should stay for good. Suppose Kingdra will join with the formal tier update next month. Surprised to see Mega Heracross almost dropping.

    Marshadow got that much in what, 3 days? That's insane.
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  14. ArianadosGrande

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    Xurkitree is competition, but is the lesser of the two due to the versatility of manaphy. Atleast, compared to xurk, who is more predictable and slower.
    manaphy outspeeds and ko's
    +3 252 SpA Manaphy Surf vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Xurkitree: 406-478 (132.2 - 155.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
    hell, even without boosts xurk gets 2HKO'd and cannot switch in.

    252 SpA Manaphy Surf vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Xurkitree: 162-192 (52.7 - 62.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

    it ohko's if you opt for Hydro vortex

    252 SpA Manaphy Hydro Vortex (175 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Xurkitree: 315-372 (102.6 - 121.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

    once this thing comes out, something is dying.

    They preform the same role, except manaphy is faster, bulkier, has a better typing, and is harder to deal with because of this combination. If manaphy stays, stall is not looking good for UU.



    Uhhh... like?!

    Empoleon comes to mind. But sadly, empoleon isnt going to be doing much other than remaining passive.

    +3 252 SpA Manaphy Hydro Vortex (175 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Empoleon: 212-249 (56.9 - 66.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery


    +3 252 SpA Manaphy Energy Ball vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Empoleon: 146-172 (39.2 - 46.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery


    Vs suicune
    it has a great matchup against cune too


    +3 252 SpA Manaphy Energy Ball vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Suicune: 362-428 (89.6 - 105.9%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO
    cune is really only able to roar or something

    it also beats slowking, it cannot do anything back

    +3 252 SpA Manaphy Energy Ball vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Slowking: 374-442 (94.9 - 112.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock


    vs keldeo
    Keldeo only wins if Manaphy is at +0

    252 SpA Life Orb Keldeo Secret Sword vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Manaphy: 181-214 (52.9 - 62.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO


    Mega Sharpedo

    mega sharpedo doesnt even 2HKO, so Mega Sharpedo is set up bait if you gain momentum on it. Also one of the better match up's for manaphy.

    252+ Atk Sharpedo Crunch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Manaphy: 135-160 (39.4 - 46.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

    it only loses against Primarina, if it's at +0.

    but you'll have plenty of opportunities to use tail glow or if you know they have a counter just use u-turn or something. Taking a quick look at the VR tells me psychic doesnt really hit much that Energyball doesnt.



    It has so many amazing match up's, its a harder to contain Xurkitree that is also faster and bulkier. It sets up/plain beats many on many uu mon.

    I may not play competitively that much anymore, but manaphy's future foretells BL...
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  15. pkmnRaion

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    So... Medicham is now PU or what I am missing?
  16. Randomnick

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    This is the banlist, a mon is there-it's NU
    Btw I love how Swampert-Mega not only got enough usage to be OU but also made Pelipper come back (it's good for the pelican, because it will either be OU or PU, kinda like what happened to Quagsire last gen).
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  17. sumwun

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    No, Pelipper follows wherever mega Swampert goes. If mega Swampert is too good for PU, then Pelipper will be too good for PU.
  18. YanVictor95

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    You have used a Sharpedo on the calc, and not a Mega Sharpedo. The correct damage should be this:
    252+ Atk Strong Jaw Sharpedo-Mega Crunch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Manaphy: 228-268 (66.6 - 78.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
  19. Randomnick

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    Drizzle is banned from tiers below OU, then...Pelipper is useless for any tier besides OU (it might be decent in NU and/or PU like it was last gen I guess)
  20. sumwun

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    Drizzle isn't banned this generation.
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  22. Randomnick

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    Drought isn't banned from RU and UU
    Drizzle is banned from everything below OU
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  23. Kris

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    the tiering changes for august will be live in PS soon(tm)
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  24. Yung Dramps

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    Gyarados - #63 in OU | Usage: 2.62688% | Raw count: 79,960 | Weight: 0.572350145057
    I feel like Mega Gyarados should be put into the OU by Technicality section. It suffers the same issue as Mega Garchomp, where the regular form is better. Maybe it's not AS bad, but my point still stands.
  25. sumwun

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    They're both BL, so none of this is relevant. In case you don't know, the cutoff for tiers is supposed to be 1-(1/2)^(1/20), or about 3.4%, so no form of Gyarados is OU.
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