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Data Usage-based Tier Updates for June

Discussion in 'Smogon Metagames' started by Antar, Jun 7, 2017.

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  1. The Immortal

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    It was banned
  2. woofmasterarf

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    It got banned rather quickly
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    Just for fun, let's list OU's top 50 Pokémon minus Legendaries, Event Pokémon and Megas. That is, Pokémon that any random trainer in the franchise is supposed to be able to catch without miraculous intervention:

    6 - Ferrothorn
    7 - Greninja
    10 - Tangrowth
    12 - Dugtrio
    15 - Toxapex
    17 - Clefable
    18 - Garchomp
    19 - Skarmory
    23 - Chansey
    23 - Excadrill
    31 - Tyranitar
    32 - Pelipper
    33 - Mimikyu
    34 - Bisharp
    41 - Volcarona
    42 - Marowak-Alola
    43 - Gengar
    44 - Kingdra
    45 - Magnezone
    48 - Ninetales-Alola
    49 - Hawlucha

    That's 21 in total. I don't have any strong opinions on the current state of any metagame, but it has to be said that the average OU player is pretty far removed from the random NPC schmucks that make up the bulk of the population in the Pokémon games. Being able to find and tame legendary beasts, forming once-in-history-strong bonds with your Pokémon, or obtaining ultra-rare Keystones, any of which would be heroic feats worthy of songs in-universe, is merely an entry ticket to the game we're playing here.

    It sort of takes away the epicness of the so-called amazing feats you perform in-game. Like when you beat the Champion in Emerald and then immediately are sent to an island populated by hundreds of trainers, where Champion-ship is just a prerequisite for attendance. Or how that epic feeling you get when you finally pass your driving test diminishes when you get stuck in traffic on your way back from the examination office. Awesomeness made mundane, such is the nature of competitive gaming.
  4. Primal Bidoof

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    | 57 | Hoopa-Unbound | 2.897% | | 58 | Rotom-Wash | 2.868% | | 63 | Heracross-Mega | 2.393% |
    shouldnt these be uu?
  5. Tony938

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    A lot of these are confusing to me a little bit
  6. Fanyfan

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    Only quick drops and rises this month. Which means to drop, they have to be under 2.28% to drop
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  7. Morningstar

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    I can imagine "OU player" becoming a by-word for "Mary Sue" in fanfic-centered circles for that reason. Though the recent games forcing players to catch certain legendaries might also be an issue for that.

    BTW I wonder what the top 50 for UU would look like without Legendaries or Megas?
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  8. Aldertz

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    The list (open)

    | 1 | Scizor | 33.752% |
    | 4 | Gliscor | 16.023% |
    | 7 | Krookodile | 13.741% |
    | 8 | Hydreigon | 13.466% |
    | 9 | Weavile | 13.112% |
    | 10 | Primarina | 13.004% |
    | 11 | Infernape | 12.497% |
    | 12 | Empoleon | 10.979% |
    | 14 | Togekiss | 10.712% |
    | 15 | Blissey | 10.665% |
    | 17 | Tentacruel | 10.001% |
    | 19 | Mamoswine | 8.780% |
    | 20 | Klefki | 8.766% |
    | 22 | Swampert | 8.556% |
    | 23 | Hawlucha | 8.130% |
    | 24 | Ninetales-Alola | 8.115% |
    | 27 | Amoonguss | 7.407% |
    | 28 | Conkeldurr | 7.347% |
    | 30 | Forretress | 6.852% | (Please stop using this)
    | 31 | Sylveon | 6.836% |
    | 33 | Chandelure | 6.535% |
    | 35 | Alomomola | 6.464% |
    | 37 | Crobat | 6.001% |
    | 38 | Crawdaunt | 5.991% |
    | 41 | Nidoking | 5.547% |
    | 45 | Darmanitan | 5.353% |
    | 47 | Muk-Alola | 5.218% |
    | 48 | Starmie | 5.007% |
    | 49 | Magneton | 4.859% |
    | 50 | Metagross | 4.849% |


    I think there are more non-legendaries than legendaries but I was too lazy to count.

    E: Oops lol removed Azelf
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  9. Morningstar

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    I see. Though i should point out that Azelf is listed there. So about 30 Non-legendaries which almost flips OU's ratios. I cna't wait to see Ubers list of non-special pokemon :P

    Another interesting thing to note from the usage stats is the rise of Pelliper of OU. I wonder what happened that benefited that pokemon.
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    The release of mega swampert and its access to drizzle

    E: and the buff to its stats
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  11. sumwun

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    Because now every OU team has either Toxapex or Tapu Koko. Those Pokemon were made by Game Freak. Don't blame us.
    If it's so good, then why don't you try using it more? If you peak the NU ladder with a Samurott and then post an RMT about it, people will probably use it more.
    I'm pretty sure this is because the average OU player can see the "switch" option when deciding what to do, while NPCs are apparently blind.
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    I will try, but since I'm not that great of a battler, it'll take a while before I will be even close to peaking the NU Ladder.
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    | 559 | Larvitar | 0.00070% | 8 | 0.004% | 8 | 0.005% |
    ...
    | 570  | Tyranitar-Mega    |  0.00055% | 1      |  0.001% | 1      |  0.001% |
    | 571  | Necrozma          |  0.00055% | 1      |  0.001% | 1      |  0.001% |
    | 572  | Rotom-Heat        |  0.00055% | 1      |  0.001% | 1      |  0.001% |
    | 573  | Excadrill          |  0.00055% | 1      |  0.001% | 0      |  0.000% |
    | 574  | Scolipede          |  0.00055% | 1      |  0.001% | 1      |  0.001% |
    | 575  | Alomomola          |  0.00055% | 1      |  0.001% | 0      |  0.000% | 
    
    Not sure what happened here, but these were at the bottom of gen7pualpha-1500. Kind of funny to see larvitar getting more usage than tyranitar-mega, but also confused as to how these got there?
  14. Yung Dramps

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    My guess is that someone either exploited a glitch or used hacks to use their OU/UU team in PU, but they were reported to administration and their rampage was stopped after just one battle.
  15. Eric Jiang234

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    One time I accidentally got a randbat team into an NU battle and I had a CB Azu lol. Disappointed it's not in the usage though. :[
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  16. Sarai Ayarza

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    Can't wait to see how Mega-Aggron does in UU. Was good last gen, (especially paired w/ things like florges, was usually at decent hp) but now that Xurkitree is a mon, idk if I'd run it over M-Steelix.
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  17. Gaminshogun9105

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    Xurk is being suspected in UU atm, so its impact may be a non-issue.
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  18. Zukrad

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    Lore wise, in sumo, the megastones are much easier to find than in XY/ORAS. Back then they were a rare item and literally no NPC other than a few very important trainers and villians had acces to them.

    Now, you go to a battle royale and every trainer has a mega. And you can literally buy them instead of looking for them in really specific places

    also
    >tfw an NPC could make SPL Stall

    Imagine Ash losing the league against a stall player,that would be fun
  19. sumwun

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    Yeah, I always have wondered why legendaries (except maybe Zapdos and Mew) tend to be worse at stall than regular Pokemon. Zapdos and Mew are pretty much the only legendary Pokemon that are good for stalling in OU. I guess the game designers wanted the legendaries to be powerful, not ridiculously unbreakable.
  20. Aldertz

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    In OU maybe. In Ubers those things are gods at stalling. Also, you forgot Suicune. It PP stalls just about everything.
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