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Vaporeon (Update) [QC 2/2] [GP 2/2]

Discussion in 'Uploaded Analyses' started by Jorgen, Aug 5, 2012.

  1. sandshrewz

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    Oglemi >:| lol!! I use whichever that's in the analysis. If the wrong dashes were used theI'll use — cos I'm lazy to c/p it xD

    Since I posted I might as well I guess ... u_u x)

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    [Overview]

    <p>Vaporeon was a mediocre defensive Pokemon outclassed by Suicune for the majority of GSC's history. Its draws over Suicune were access to Reflect and Haze, but ultimately not having that monstrous Defense stat left it unused in OU. Then, the NYPC gods gave Vaporeon and its Eeveelution brethren a gift from Pokemon heaven—Growth—which catapulted Vaporeon into legitimate OU territory. Growth is the only move in GSC that boosts the Special Attack stat, and Vaporeon is by far the best user for a standalone special sweep thanks to its bulk and high Special Attack. Nowadays, while Vaporeon still has the same defensive prowess that it once had, Growth also allows it to use, Growth boosts its Special Attack, which its oft-en overlooked base 110 Special Attack, and makes it one of the premier offensive threats in the game. Underestimate Vaporeon at your own risk;Vaporeon is an underrated threat that must not be underestimated despite its seriously pretty deadlinitial lack of popularity.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Growth Sweeper
    move 1: Surf / Hydro Pump
    move 2: Growth
    move 3: Rest
    move 4: Sleep Talk / Acid Armor
    item: Leftovers

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Vaporeon is a unique offensive Pokemon in GSC OU. It's a legitimgreate special threat that can take a hit and can set up with Growth. Unlike the legendary Electric-types that are GSC's other prominent special threats, Vaporeon is more geared towards setting up and sweeping rather than scoring opportunistic KOs. Unlike other reliable setup Pokemon such as Curse Snorlax, Vaporeon sets up on the special side, which makes it immune to stall tactics such as Growl and Charm. Unlike, as opposed to other reliable setup Pokemon such as Curse Snorlax. Dissimilar to more daring setup Pokemon such as Belly Drum Snorlax and Swords Dance Marowak, Vaporeon is able to break stall while having an easy-to-use setup move and the ability to take hits.</p>

    <p>Vaporeon's STAB is the choice between reliability and power. Hydro Pump is great for wall breaking. It can 3HKO Snorlax after a single Growth and it also does 36-43% to Raikou without a boost, meaning that if Spikes are down and Vaporeon's Hydro Pump connects, Raikou can only afford to switch in once more before having to use Rest. Surf, on the other hand, isn't going to miss and doesn't suffer from Hydro Pump's horrendous 8PP. Growth is the whole point of the set, allowing Vaporeon to take advantage of its good defenses and set up the sweep. Rest keeps it alive and gives it the longevity that allows it to play defenseively and to set up when needed. As for the fourth move, Sleep Talk is the standard and keeps Vaporeon availableround to tank hits from Ground- and Rock-type Pokemon. Furthermore, Sleep Talk also minimizes downtime when trying to set up. Acid Armor, however, beats CurseLax in a head-to-head matchup. Acid Armor is also nice for PP wars with its incredible 63PP, and it buffers Vaporeon against other dangerous physical attackers such as Heracross, Machamp, and Explosion users.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p> Pursuit users such as Tyranitar and Umbreon get rid of Exeggutor, a prominent Pokemon with a resistance to Water-type attacks that also has the offensive prowess to force Vaporeon to switch out. Tyranitar in particular can also chip away at Zapdos and Raikou, which force Vaporeon out with strong STAB Electric-type moves, but can be rendered unable to switch in on Vaporeon with some residual damage. Other great partners for Vaporeon are offensive Explosion users:; Exeggutor and Steelix frequently target Zapdos with their Explosions;, Gengar frequentcommonly takes down Raikou;, Steelix and SelfDestruct Snorlax can take outdecimate Roar Suicune;, and Cloyster has a good chance of taking down any of these threats. Paralyzing Raikou and weakening Snorlax can go a long way towards helping Vaporeon pick up the pieces. Thunder or Thunder Wave from Zapdos or even your own Raikou can paralyze an opposing Raikou, while the combination of Toxic and Spikes will ultimately force Snorlax to Rest, giving Vaporeon an opening to set up against it.</p>

    <p>When using Vaporeon early-game, it's vital to use prediction to beat its checks. When you predict an Electric-type switch-in, use Vaporeon's STAB move; even without a boost, Vaporeon's STAB does a lot to Zapdos and Raikou, especially if Vaporeon is using Hydro Pump. When you expect Snorlax, use Growth. Vaporeon isn't scaring Snorlax with an unboosted STAB move, but Snorlax isn't instantly forcing Vaporeon out either, especially not Acid Armor variants, so having the Special Attack boost can put a Snorlax switch-in in a pretty awkward position, especiallywhat more if Vaporeon is touting Hydro Pump's potential 3HKO. If some other wall such as Roar Suicune or a high-health Exeggutor is going to switch in, Vaporeon should duck out and give the opportunity to another Pokemon to do its damage. Suicune is a fine double-switch opportunity for Roar Raikou to start Spikes shuffling or Cloyster to set up its Spikes, whereas Exeggutor is put in a bind if you predict and double-switch to a Pursuit user such as Tyranitar. If the opponent has none of these available, Vaporeon is free to sweep, so just set up Growths and finish the job. Yes, this includes if the opponent is using Blissey to try to wall Vaporeon, as Blissey cannot stop Vaporeon from setting up to the point where a single Ccritical Hhit can destroy it, never mind the fact that Vaporeon wins most stall wars against Blissey by virtue of Growth's titanic PP count.</p>

    <p>Vaporeon can use other moves effectively in the last moveslot. Vaporeon's slower Roar prevents Roar Suicune from phazing it. Roar also allows Vaporeon to win mirror matches and can also be used to Spikes-shuffle with Vaporeon's ability to force switches. (the slower Roar works in GSC? idk o.o) Ice Beam is an excellent coverage option for destroying Exeggutor, Dragonite, and Zapdos. The ability to freeze foes such as Suicune and Blissey can also facilitate a sweep. However, Sleep Talk or Acid Armor is generally the way to go.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>As for options in the fourth moveslot of the main set, Vaporeon has a couple of okay options other than the ones listed. Hidden Power Electric 3HKOes Suicune as well as other Vaporeon at +1 and also wrecks the odd Tentacruel looking for a free boost. Blizzard is also an option as it can 2HKO Zapdos without a boost and OHKOes Exeggutor about 50% of the time at +1 after factoring accuracy. However, Blizzard's low PP and accuracy are major turnoffs.</p>

    <p>A Baton Pass set could work. In this case, Vaporeon is best off forgoing Rest for Acid Armor as a second stat boost to pass. Good recipients include Zapdos, Raikou, and Exeggutor. Growth boosts the recipient's Special Attack to scary levels, while Acid Armor boosts Defense to render the normally scarythreatening Snorlax unable to do meaningful damage in return. Vaporeon is a great user of Baton Pass because, aside from Roar Suicune, no other popular phazer is capable of stopping Vaporeon from passing its boosts without taking a lot of damage from a boosted Hydro Pump or Surf. Even then, Suicune can be beaten by using Roar on Baton Pass Vaporeon. However, Raikou will usually make life difficult for a Baton Pass set. While it can't comfortably use Roar against Vaporeon without taking a lot of damage in return, it will do tons of damage to Vaporeon if it decides to stay in against Raikou, and it can tank most special attacking Baton Pass targets, even at +1. Zapdos is also makes lifea tough foe for Baton Pass Vaporeon; it doesn'cannot tank +1 Sspecial Aattackers the way Raikou can, but it also does heavy damage to Vaporeon if it decides to stay in to use its slower Baton Pass, thereby effectively preventing Vaporeon from trying again later in the match.</p>

    <p>The classic pre-Growth defensive Vaporeon set of Rest, Surf, Haze, and Reflect is an option for those who want a Suicune with worse defenses but better support moves. However, Vaporeon is better off using Growth to play offense than it isively than trying to be a Suicune, especially since it was BL before the advent of Growth.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Most of Vaporeon's common checks don't wall it completely, but rather threaten to smash its face in. Zapdos and Raikou are the most common checks and can 2HKO with their STABs. However, they can't take too many Surfs or Hydro Pumps on the switch. Snorlax is the second most common answer to Vaporeon, but it's a shaky check. Snorlax is 3HKOed by a +1 Hydro Pump and Acid Armor variants of Vaporeon beat it without relying on a move with iffy accuracy. Exeggutor is a good stop-gap against Vaporeon but won't last forever. It's easily targeted by Pursuit, dies quickly to Ice Beam Vaporeon, and if Spikes are down it will eventually be put into +1 Surf or Hydro Pump KO range. Cloyster can outspeed Vaporeon and Explode on it, but Cloyster isn't doing anything to stop Vaporeon without sacrificing itself with Explosion. Gengar 3HKOes with an Electric-type attack, and can Explode or use Destiny Bond if things go south, although it struggles to take Vaporeon's attacks. As for less common checks, Tentacruel resists Surf and sets up a counter-sweep with Swords Dance. Dragonite resists Surf and threatens Vaporeon with Thunder and Double-Edge, but loses to Ice Beam variants. Heracross outspeeds Vaporeon and very narrowly misses out on 2HKOing it at full health, although Acid Armor mitigates this damage and Heracross has trouble switching into Vaporeon.</p>

    <p>While Vaporeon is usually countered by using high damage output, there are quite a few Pokemon that wall it entirely. Roar Suicune is the most common full stop to Vaporeon, although it fails to stop last-Pokemon Vaporeon or variants that use Roar themselves. Suicune can also play to freeze Vaporeon with both Ice Beam and Mirror Coat, with Mirror Coat keeping Vaporeon too scared towary of attacking while Suicune tries to freeze it. Aside from Suicune, Light Screen Blissey can pass Special Defense boosts tohelp teammates such as Zapdos to mforce easily force Vaporeon outVaporeon out more easily. It can also try to outstall Vaporeon, but Blissey will usually lose the PP war and, on turns when Light Screen wears off, a combination of a high damage roll and a Ccritical Hhit from a +5 Surf will put Blissey in KO range on the following turn. Vaporeon couldan also use Ice Beam to freeze Blissey. At the very least, Light Screen Blissey will make lifeit difficult for Hydro Pump Vaporeon and its meager 8 PP. Starmie resists Surf and can use Thunder hoping for three consecutive hits to 3HKO Vaporeon or Light Screen to flat-out stall Vaporeon out of PP. Starmie, unlike Blissey, can outstall Vaporeon because of Rapid Spin's high PP count. As for less common walls to Vaporeon, Meganium walls Vaporeon forever with Leech Seed, Synthesis, and possibly Light Screen, although Ice Beam Vaporeon can beat it. In addition, Kingdra can Curses in Vaporeon's face, uses Haze, or even goes for the freeze with Ice Beam while only being 5HKOed by +5 Surfs, although it can be 2HKOed by +5 Ice Beams or stalled out by Acid Armor variants.</p>

    <p>Furthermore, Vaporeon canis a good check to itself. Even after switching in to give the opposing Vaporeon a turn advantage, a Sleep Talking Vaporeon has roughly even odds of beating an opposing Vaporeon in a mirror match, and even better odds if the opposing Vaporeon is not a Sleep Talking variant. +4 Surf and +3 Hydro Pump both 3HKO an opposing Vaporeon, so know this before you stop setting up and start attacking. Alternatively, you can just use Roar so that you can phaze opposing Vaporeon after you gather a couple of boosts in the Growth war.</p>

    <p>You should keep in mind that you should show Vaporeon different looksthrow different checks at Vaporeon when playing against it in the likely scenario that you are without one of its hardwall counters. If you fail to mix upalternate which Pokemon you send in to greet Vaporeon, your Electric-type could end up taking too many Surfs or Hydro Pumps to be able to switch in again, or your Snorlax could be looking down the barrel of a 3HKO as Vaporeon uses Growth on the switch.</p>


    Great analysis! Just look out for repeated phrases/words/sentence structure :) Also I'm pretty confused by what the last paragraph meant. I'm guessing it means that you shouldn't use the same Pokemon to check Vaporeon because it'll get worn down :x gee this too long

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  2. Jorgen

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    I'm not neglecting this by the way, it's just that it's about that time of year where due dates for graduate school and fellowship applications approach quickly. I'll get this done when I get a good chunk of leisure time to give the grammar check a good look-through.
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    I'm assuming this is a typo, but:

    Shouldn't that be 64 PP? Just thought I'd point that out.
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    It's definitely not 64, but looking at NetBattle's database the maximum actually appears to be 61. I ended up putting 63 because it makes more sense given that integers 0-63 are isomorphic with the set of all 6-bit words.
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    But the correct number is really 61. If the base PP of the move is 40, it raises the PP of that move by 7 (up to 61).
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    Ah so that's how it makes sense. Thanks! I'll insert it when I get back into analysis mode.
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    Implemented Sandz's check and added "61 PP" over "63 PP". I also took out the last paragraph because it was dumb verbose way to say something simple that was kind of already said in the AC section anyway.

    I'd like to get this on-site, although I changed up the last paragraph to avoid giving players the idea that odds are totally even if you switch Vaporeon into a Growth from an opposing Vaporeon without also implying that odds are bad. If that could get a quick look-over by a GP person, that'd be great.
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    looks great Jorgen and uploaded

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