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Venonat (Analysis)'

Discussion in 'Uploaded Analyses' started by franky, Dec 3, 2009.

  1. franky

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    *continued from SoT*

    Complete - waiting for critiques

    http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/venonat

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    • I simply a fixed lot of grammar and smogon standards and added some extra info SoT forgot. Fixed Team Options a bit.

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    [OVERVIEW]

    <p>Venonat is not intended to be the star of the show or the centerpiece of a team. However, he is, with proper support, a very valuable niche Pokemon who can help a team immensely by providing paralysis, sleep support, or Speed boosts for his teammates. Venonat does have some useful resistances, most notably quadruple resistances to Fighting- and Grass-type attacksIf you manage to get Venonat in safely, the threat of Sleep Powder gives you the opportunity to swing the momentum back in your team's favor. Venonat may not have stellar stats, but he must be played around carefully since he can easily cripple multiple Pokemon with status.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Agility Passer
    move 1: Sleep Powder
    move 2: Baton Pass
    move 3: Agility
    move 4: Sludge Bomb / Psychic / Protect
    item: Focus Sash / Oran Berry
    ability: Compoundeyes
    nature: Timid
    evs: 196 HP / 36 Def / 36 SpA / 236 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Venonat's main role on a team is to pass Speed boosts to a slower sweeper. Compoundeyes is a great asset for Venonat, giving his Sleep Powder an almost perfect accuracy of 97.5%. Putting an opponent to sleep allows him to get an Agility in for free and sometimes even get the recipient of the Speed boost in without harm. The final slot provides Venonat with a reliable attack in case he is hit by Taunt.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>With the given EVs, Venonat hits 30 Speed after an Agility, which is enough to outrun almost all of the metagame, at worst tying with max Speed Choice Scarf Voltorb. This enables Venonat to put any Pokemon who comes in to sleep without taking a hit, bar a priority move.</p>

    <p>The fourth move has many different options to choose from. Sludge Bomb gets STAB and allows Venonat to hit opposing targets relatively hard. Psychic hits the most popular sleep-immune Pokemon, Mankey, for super effective damage, as well as hitting opposing Poison-type Pokemon hard. Protect can be used if Venonat is leading so that Aipom and Meowth don't break his Focus Sash, but it will leave him completely vulnerable to Taunt leads such as Gligar and Voltorb.</p>

    <p>Sweepers such as Cranidos, Cubone, Gligar, Machop, and Houndour and all work well after they receive a Speed boost from Venonat. Cranidos and Cubone are on the same boat; both of them are heavy hitters who unfortunately lack the Speed to threaten anything, so passing an Agility to them can really turn the tables. Machop and Gligar can both receive a boost and continue to stat up, or, alternatively, just take the boost and start sweeping with their good Attack stats. Lastly, Houndour is a good Pokemon to pair with Venonat because his Flash Fire ability allows him to freely switch into Fire-type attacks directed at Venonat while boosting his own Fire-type attacks.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Choice Scarf
    move 1: Sleep Powder
    move 2: Sludge Bomb
    move 3: Psychic
    move 4: Hidden Power Ice / Hidden Power Fire
    item: Choice Scarf
    ability: Tinted Lens
    nature: Timid
    evs: 36 HP / 36 Def / 196 SpA / 196 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Venonat is not exactly an offensive powerhouse, but a Choice Scarf set is a viable alternative since he possesses the ability to stop sweepers with a fast Sleep Powder. This set can be used as a lead to give you an advantage from the get-go or to take care of a sweeper later in the game with Sleep Powder or Sludge Bomb. If you’re using Venonat as a lead, Compoundeyes is the preferred ability in order to neutralize the opponent’s Pokemon 97.5% of the time.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Venonat's movepool isn't particularly broad, so the best special attacking options are used. Sludge Bomb is Venonat's main and strongest attack when factoring in STAB and Tinted Lens. Psychic hits Poison- and Fighting-types for super effective damage. The fourth move depends on what he needs to hit; Hidden Power Ice OHKOes Gligar, Taillow, and Diglett while Hidden Power Fire is Venonat’s best bet against Bronzor, although Bronzor will shrug off Hidden Power Fire without too much trouble.</p>

    <p>The ability comes down to personal preference. Compoundeyes ensures that Venonat’s Sleep Powder will hit most of the time, making it the desirable choice on the lead slot. Tinted Lens will give Venonat more power, since resistances still take the same amount of damage as they would if they were neutral.</p>

    <p>Having Stealth Rock is always a good idea, as Choice Scarf Venonat will cause a lot of switches. Stealth Rock helps by chipping away HP every time a Pokemon switches in. Also, having Pokemon who can stat up, especially behind a Substitute, is not a bad idea since the opponent’s Pokemon will be asleep, allowing for a free switch to a sweeper. Magnemite or Machop good partners to use with Venonat, since they can beat most Pokemon who commonly switch into Venonat, such as Bronzor and Munchlax, respectively.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Double Powder
    move 1: Sleep Powder
    move 2: Stun Spore
    move 3: Bug Bite
    move 4: Baton Pass / Hidden Power Fire
    item: Oran Berry / Focus Sash
    ability: Compoundeyes
    nature: Jolly / Naive
    evs: 196 HP / 76 Atk / 236 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Thanks to Compoundeyes, Venonat's Stun Spore's and Sleep Powder's accuracy skyrockets to 97.5%, making Venonat an ideal double powder user. Taking advantage of this, Venonat can attempt to cripple the opponent by using the successful double powder strategy: sleep one opponent and paralyze another when he switches in.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Bug Bite can help Venonat steal Berries, most notably Oran Berry, from assorted foes. (unbold this period) Venonat can use Baton Pass to scout whether the foe has an Insomnia user waiting in the wings, or to see what Pokemon the opponent is willing to sacrifice as a sleep absorber. Another option is Hidden Power Fire, which can hit both Bronzor and Croagunk relatively hard.</p>

    <p>Slow Pokemon such as Cranidos, Cubone, Houndour, Machop, and Wailmer all work exceptionally well with this set. Venonat can put a counter to sleep and start spreading paralysis to the other Pokemon, allowing slow, heavy hitters to have an easier time in the match. If Venonat runs Baton Pass, it makes switching in your Pokemon a lot easier; you don't have to run the risk of a double switch, and if the opponent decides to stay in, (comma) you can generally tell what he is going to do.</p>

    [Team Options]

    <p>You should try to support Venonat by covering his major weaknesses—Fire- and Rock-type moves—with Pokemon such as Onix and Rhyhorn. Both Onix and Rhyhorn can utilize the free turn from Sleep Powder to set up Stealth Rock and support the entire team. Packing Houndour can help absorb Fire-type hits directed at Venonat. However, Houndour can’t handle Magby because of Mach Punch, so be sure to bring Choice Scarf Chinchou to handle Magby.</p>

    <p>If you plan on running the Agility Passer set, then slow, bulky Pokemon who resist Venonat's weaknesses are good options to use alongside him. Pokemon such as Cranidos, Cubone, and Wailmer can benefit from Agility. With the Double Status set, the same slow, bulky Pokemon work just as well, since the paralysis makes up for their lack of Speed. Having dual screens down helps too, as it makes the Baton Passing process much easier.</p>

    [Optional Changes]

    <p>Signal Beam can be used on attacking sets as a secondary STAB attack, but its Base Power is less than desired. An accurate Disable can stop Choice users in their tracks and force them to switch or Struggle; however, Venonat, bar Choice Scarf variants, is too slow to use it effectively. Toxic Spikes and Morning Sun could be used, but Venonat's poor defenses make the moves' usefulness questionable. Also, Venonat generally has better things to do than heal his HP. Zen Headbutt can replace Psychic if you decide to go down the physical route.</p>

    [Counters]

    <p>Shuppet and Mankey get in for free if Venonat uses Sleep Powder since they are immune to sleep. Aron, Bronzor, and Shieldon resist most of Venonat's attacking arsenal; however, they are slow and run the risk of being put to sleep. Munchlax also stops the sweeping version cold, and a RestTalk set shuts down every Venonat variant that there is. You can use a Pokemon with Roar to phaze Venonat away on the turn he Baton Passes, wasting his efforts. Focus Sash versions are picked off by priority users such as Bullet Punch Machop, Aqua Jet Squirtle and Kabuto, and Fake Out users. Venonat is rather slow and frail, so switching in a Fire- or Flying-type who is faster than him before he uses Agility will scare him away. Taunt shuts down most of Venonat's support sets.</p>
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    Anywhere I replaced a dash with a comma can go the other way by replacing the comma with a dash instead. They should be the same.
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    sets with hp fire should use 4 extra speed evs (200 and 240, respectively) to make sure you don't lose that 1 speed point for no reason.
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    Just a few nitpicks near the beganing.
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    [OVERVIEW]

    <p>Venonat is not intended to be the star of the show or the centerpiece of a team. He is, however, a very valuable niche Pokemon with the right support and can help a team immensely by providing paralysis, sleep support, or by boosting the Speed of a teammate. Venonat does have some useful resistances, most notably a quadruple resistance to Fighting and Grass attacks. This helps you bring him into Fighting- and Grass-type hits and act accordingly. If you manage to get in Venonat safely and threaten with Sleep Powder, chances are you can swing the momentum back in your team's favor. Venonat may not have stellar stats, but he must be played around carefully or you can risk having a few Pokemon become crippled by status.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Agility Passer
    move 1: Sleep Powder
    move 2: Baton Pass
    move 3: Agility
    move 4: Sludge Bomb / Psychic / Protect
    item: Focus Sash / Oran Berry
    ability: Compoundeyes
    nature: Timid
    evs: 196 HP / 36 Def / 36 SpA / 236 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Venonat's main role on a team is to pass Speed boosts to a slower sweeper, giving him an edge on an opposing team. Compoundeyes is a great asset for Venonat, turning his Sleep Powder into an almost perfectly accurate move with a 97.5% chance to hit an opposing target. Putting an opponent to sleep allows him to get an Agility in for free, and maybe even get the recipient of the Speed boost in harm free. The Final slot provides Venonat with a reliable move in case it is hit by Taunt.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>With the given EVs, Venonat hits 30 Speed after an Agility, which is enough to outrun almost all of the metagame, and tie at worst with a max Speed Choice Scarf Voltorb. This enables Venonat to put whoever comes in to sleep without taking a hit, bar a priority move.</p>

    <p>The fourth move has many different options to choose from. Sludge Bomb gets STAB and allows him to hit opposing targets relatively hard. Psychic hits the main Sleep-immune Pokemon, Mankey, for super effective damage, as well as hitting opposing Poison-type Pokemon. Protect can be used when Venonat is a lead so that Aipom or Meowth don't break his Focus Sash, but will leave him completely vulnerable to Taunt leads such as Gligar and Voltorb.</p>

    <p>A good Pokemon to pair with Venonat is Houndour. Houndour's ability allows him to freely switch into Fire-type attacks directed at Venonat for free, while boosting his own Fire-type attacks. Pokemon like Cranidos, Cubone, Gligar, Houndour, and Machop all work well when receiving a Speed boost from Venonat. Cranidos and Cubone are both on the same boat; the two of them are heavy hitters who unfortunately lack the Speed to threaten anyone, so passing Agility to them can really turn the tables. Machop and Gligar can both receive a boost and then stat up themselves, or just take the boost and start sweeping with their already good Attack stats.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Choice Scarf
    move 1: Sleep Powder
    move 2: Sludge Bomb
    move 3: Psychic
    move 4: Hidden Power Ice / Hidden Power Fire
    item: Choice Scarf
    ability: Tinted Lens / Compoundeyes
    nature: Timid
    evs: 36 HP / 36 Def / 196 SpA / 196 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Venonat is not exactly classified as an offensive powerhouse, but possessing the ability to stop sweeps with a fast Sleep Powder is certainly something to consider when using a Choice Scarfer. This set can be used as a lead to give you an advantage from the get-go or to surprise a sweeper later in the game by utilizing Venonat's ability to hinder a Pokemon with a quick sleep or just finishing it off with a swift STAB Sludge Bomb. If you’re using Venonat as a lead, Compoundeyes is the preferred ability of choice in order to neutralize the opponent’s Pokemon 97.5% of the time.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Venonat's movepool isn't particularly broad, so the best special attacking options are used. Sludge Bomb acts as the main attack, as it is Venonat's strongest move when factoring in STAB and Tinted Lens. Psychic hits other Poison- and Fighting-types for super effective damage, while the fourth move depends on what he wants to hit. Hidden Power Ice OHKOes Gligar, Taillow, and Diglett, while Hidden Power Fire is Venonat’s best bet versus Bronzor, although Bronzor will shrug off Hidden Power Fire for the most part.</p>

    <p>The ability just comes down to personal preference. Compoundeyes ensures Venonat’s Sleep Powder will hit most of the time and is usually the desirable choice on the lead slot. Tinted Lens will give Venonat more power, since Pokemon who resist Venonat's moves still take neutral damage.</p>

    <p>Having Stealth Rock on a team with Choice Scarf Venonat is always a good idea, as Venonat will cause a lot of switches with his Compoundeyes ability. Having Stealth Rock makes the most of those switches, chipping away HP every time a Pokemon switches in. Also, having Pokemon who can stat up, especially behind a Substitute, is not a bad idea, since the opponent’s Pokemon will be asleep and he can get a free switch in to a sweeper. Magnemite or Machop are always a good idea to use with Venonat, since they can beat most Pokemon who commonly switch into Venonat, such as Bronzor and Munchlax, respectively.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Double Powder
    move 1: Sleep Powder
    move 2: Stun Spore
    move 3: Bug Bite
    move 4: Baton Pass / Hidden Power Fire
    item: Oran Berry / Focus Sash
    ability: Compoundeyes
    nature: Jolly / Naive
    evs: 196 HP / 76 Atk / 236 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Thanks to Compoundeyes, The accuracy of Venonat's Stun Spore and Sleep Powder skyrocket to 97.5%, making Venonat an ideal Double Powder user. Taking advantage of this, Venonat can attempt to cripple the opponent by using the time-tested strategy of Double Powder: sleep one opponent and paralyze another when it switches in.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Bug Bite can help him steal Berries from assorted foes, most notably the Oran Berry. Venonat can use Baton Pass to scout whether the foe has an Insomnia user like Mankey waiting in the wings, or to see what the opponent is willing to sacrifice as a sleep absorber. Another option is Hidden Power Fire, which can hit both Bronzor and Croagunk relatively hard.</p>

    <p>Slow Pokemon such as Cranidos, Cubone, Houndour, Machop, and Wailmer all work exceptionally well with this set. Venonat can put a counter to sleep and start spreading Paralysis to the switch-in, allowing slow but heavy hitters to have an easier time in the match. If Venonat runs Baton Pass, it makes switching in your Pokemon a lot easier, as you don't have to run the risk of a double switch, and you can generally tell what the opponent is going to do if they decide to stay in.</p>

    [Team Options]

    <p>You should try to support Venonat by covering his major weaknesses, Fire- and Rock-type moves, with someone like Onix or Rhyhorn. Both Onix and Rhyhorn can appreciate the free turn to utilize Stealth Rock and support the entire team. Packing a Houndour of your own can help absorb Fire-type hits directed at Venonat; however, Houndour can’t handle Magby because it has Mach Punch, so be sure to bring Choice Scarf Chinchou to handle Magby.</p>

    <p>If you plan on running the Agility Passing set, then slower, bulkier Pokemon who resist his weaknesses are good options to use alongside Venonat. Pokemon such as Cranidos, Cubone, and Wailmer can benefit from Agility. With the Double Powder set, the same slow, bulky Pokemon work just as well, since the Paralysis makes up for their lack of Speed. Having dual screens down helps too, as it makes the Baton Passing process much easier.</p>

    [Optional Changes]

    <p>Signal Beam can be used on attacking sets as a secondary STAB attack, but its base power is lacking. An accurate Disable can stop Choice users in their tracks, and force them to switch or Struggle; however, Venonat is too slow to use it effectively, bar Choice Scarf variants. Toxic Spikes and Morning Sun could be used to heal and support with Venonat, but its poor defenses make the moves' usefulness questionable, and Venonat generally has better things to do than heal its HP. Zen Headbutt can go in place of Psychic if you decide to go down the physical route.</p>

    [Counters]

    <p>Shuppet and Mankey get in for free if Venonat unleashes its Sleep Powder thanks to their Insomnia ability. Aron, Bronzor, and Shieldon resist most of Venonat's attacking arsenal; however, they are slow and run the risk being put to sleep. Munchlax also stops a sweeping version cold, and a RestTalking set shuts down every variant of Venonat that their is. You can try to Roar Venonat away on the turn he Baton Passes so his efforts will have been in vain. Focus Sash versions are picked off by priority users such as Bullet Punch Machop, Aqua Jet Squirtle or Kabuto, or Pokemon who have access to Fake Out. Venonat is rather slow and frail, so switching in a Fire- or Flying-type who is faster than him before he Agilities will scare him away. Taunt shuts down most support sets.</p>


    In one instance, I capitalized "Double Powder"; I'm like 88% sure that it's supposed to be capitalized, but if we wanna get really grammar-naziish, then you can ask whistle or whatever. Also, heey franky :)
  6. Universal Berry

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    Hello!

    I was just wondering why you are putting Psychic everywhere as an option since Venenat gets no STAB from it and Signal beam would be overall better.

    Btw, nice analysis

    EDIT: Forget it i just understood.
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    Venonat's defenses aren't that poor, when you consider oran, agility, and sleep powder. It isn't OHKOed by many common attacks, like Gligar's Earthquake. When I used Venonat, I found the most efficent way was to come in after a sacrifice, agility while healing with oran, sleep powder, and then bp to the recipient. I feel this is the best way to use Venonat.
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    [OVERVIEW]
    <p>Venonat is not intended to be the star of the show or the centerpiece of a team. However, he is, with proper support however, a very valuable niche Pokemon with the right support that can help a team immensely by providing paralysis, sleep support, or Speed boosts or by boosting the Speed of for his teammates. Venonat does have some useful resistances, most notably a quadruple resistance to Fighting- and Grass-type attacks, . This helps allowing you to bring him into Fighting- and Grass-type hits safely and then react accordingly. If you manage to get in Venonat in safely,and threaten with the threat of Sleep Powder, chances are givesyou can the oppurtunity to swing the momentum back in your team's favor. Venonat may not have stellar stats, but he must be played around carefully or you can risk having a few Pokemon become crippled by since he can easily cripple multiple Pokemon with status.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Agility Passer
    move 1: Sleep Powder
    move 2: Baton Pass
    move 3: Agility
    move 4: Sludge Bomb / Psychic / Protect
    item: Focus Sash / Oran Berry
    ability: Compoundeyes
    nature: Timid
    evs: 196 HP / 36 Def / 36 SpA / 236 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Venonat's main role on a team is to pass Speed boosts to a slower sweeper, giving him an edge on an opposing team. Compoundeyes is a great asset for Venonat, turning giving his Sleep Powder into an almost perfect accuracy of move with a 97.5% chance to hit an opposing target. Putting an opponent to sleep allows him to get an Agility in for free and maybe even get the recipient of the Speed boost in without harm free. The final slot provides Venonat with a reliable attack in case it is hit by Taunt.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>With the given EVs, Venonat hits 30 Speed after an Agility, which is enough to outrun almost all of the metagame,and at worst tying, with a max Speed Choice Scarf Voltorb. This enables Venonat to put whatever comes in to sleep without taking a hit, bar a priority move.</p>

    <p>The fourth move has many different options to choose from. Sludge Bomb gets STAB and allows Venonat to hit opposing targets relatively hard. Psychic hits the most popular sleep-immune Pokemon, Mankey, for super effective damage, as well as hitting opposing Poison-type Pokemon hard. Protect can be used if Venonat is leading so that Aipom and Meowth don't break his Focus Sash, but will leave him completely vulnerable to Taunt leads such as Gligar and Voltorb.</p>

    <p>A good Pokemon to pair with Venonat is Houndour. Houndour's Flash Fire ability allows him to freely switch into Fire-type attacks directed at Venonat for free, while boosting his own Fire-type attacks. Sweepers such as Cranidos, Cubone, Gligar, Houndour, and Machop all work well after they receive a Speed boost from Venonat. Cranidos and Cubone are both on the same boat; both of them are heavy hitters who unfortunately lack the Speed to threaten anything, so passing an Agility to them can really turn the tables. Machop and Gligar can both receive a boost, and then continue to stat up themselves, or, alternatively, just take the boost and start sweeping with their already good Attack stats.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Choice Scarf
    move 1: Sleep Powder
    move 2: Sludge Bomb
    move 3: Psychic
    move 4: Hidden Power Ice / Hidden Power Fire
    item: Choice Scarf
    ability: Tinted Lens
    nature: Timid
    evs: 36 HP / 36 Def / 196 SpA / 196 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Venonat is not exactly classified as an offensive powerhouse, but a Choice Scarf set is a viable alternative since he possesses possessing the ability to stop sweeps with a fast Sleep Powder is certainly something to take into consideration when using a Choice Scarf variant. This set can be used as a lead to give you an advantage from the get-go or to surprise take care of a sweeper later in the game by utilizing Venonat's ability to hinder a Pokemon with a quick sleep or just finishing it off with a swift STAB with Sleep Powder or Sludge Bomb. If you’re using Venonat as a lead, Compoundeyes is the preferred ability of choice in order to neutralize the opponent’s Pokemon 97.5% of the time.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Venonat's movepool isn't particularly broad, so the best special attacking options are used. Sludge Bomb acts as the main attack as it is Venonat's strongest attack when factoring in STAB and Tinted Lens. Psychic hits other Poison- and Fighting-types for super effective damage,. while The fourth move depends on what he wants to hit;. Hidden Power Ice OHKOes Gligar, Taillow, and Diglett. while Hidden Power Fire is Venonat’s best bet versus against Bronzor, although Bronzor will shrug off Hidden Power Fire without too much trouble for the most part.</p>

    <p>The ability just comes down to personal preference. Compoundeyes ensures Venonat’s Sleep Powder will hit most of the time and is usually the desirable choice on the lead slot. Tinted Lens will give Venonat more power, since resistances still take the same amount of damage damage as they would if they were neutral.</p>

    <p>Having Stealth Rock on a team with Choice Scarf Venonat is always a good idea, as Venonat will cause a lot of switches with its ability Compoundeyes. Having Stealth Rock makes the most of those switches, chipping away HP every time a Pokemon switches in. Also, having Pokemon who can stat up, especially behind a Substitute, is not a bad idea, since the opponent’s Pokemon will be asleep, and he can get allowing for a free switch in to a sweeper. Magnemite or Machop are always a good partners idea to use with Venonat, since they can beat most Pokemon that commonly switch into Venonat, such as Bronzor and Munchlax, respectively.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Double Powder
    move 1: Sleep Powder
    move 2: Stun Spore
    move 3: Bug Bite
    move 4: Baton Pass / Hidden Power Fire
    item: Oran Berry / Focus Sash
    ability: Compoundeyes
    nature: Jolly / Naive
    evs: 196 HP / 76 Atk / 236 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Thanks to Compoundeyes, Venonat's Stun Spore's and Sleep Powder's accuracy skyrockets to 97.5%, making Venonat an ideal double powder user. Taking advantage of this, Venonat can attempt to cripple the opponent by using the time-tested strategy of double powder: sleep one opponent and paralyze another when it switches in.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Bug Bite can help Venonat steal Berries, most notably Oran Berry, from assorted foes, most notably the Oran Berry. Venonat can use Baton Pass to scout whether the foe has an Insomnia user waiting in the wings, or to see what the opponent is willing to sacrifice as a sleep absorber. Another option is Hidden Power Fire, which can hit both Bronzor and Croagunk relatively hard.</p>

    <p>Slow Pokemon such as Cranidos, Cubone, Houndour, Machop, and Wailmer all work exceptionally well with this set. Venonat can put a counter to sleep and start spreading Paralysis to the other Pokemon, allowing slow, but heavy hitters to have an easier time in the match. If Venonat runs Baton Pass, it makes switching in your Pokemon a lot easier; as you don't have to run the risk of a double switch, and if the opponent decides to stay in you can generally tell what the opponent he is going to do if they decide to stay in.</p>

    [Team Options]

    <p>You should try to support Venonat by covering his major weaknesses, Fire- and Rock-type moves, with something like Onix or Rhyhorn. Both Onix and Rhyhorn can appreciate utilize the free turn to utilize set up Stealth Rock and support the entire team. Packing a Houndour of your own can help absorb Fire-type hits dished at Venonat. Although However, Houndour can’t handle Magby because it has of Mach Punch, so be sure to bring Choice Scarf Chinchou to handle Magby.</p>

    <p>If you plan on running the Agilipassing set, then slower bulky Pokemon who resist Venonat's weaknesses are good options to use alongside him. Pokemon such as Cranidos, Cubone, and Wailmer can benefit from Agility. With the Double Status set, the same slow bulky Pokemon work just as well, since the paralysis makes up for their lack of Speed. Having dual screens down helps too, as it makes the Baton Passing process much easier.</p>

    [Optional Changes]

    <p>Signal Beam can be used on attacking sets as a secondary STAB attack, but its base power is lacking less than desired. An accurate Disable can stop Choice users in their tracks, and force them to switch or Struggle; however, Venonat, bar Choice Scarf variants, is too slow to use it effectively, bar Choice Scarf variants. Toxic Spikes and Morning Sun could be used to heal and support with Venonat, but Venonat's poor defenses make the moves' usefulness questionable. and Also, Venonat generally has better things to do than heal his HP. Zen Headbutt can go in place of Psychic if you decide to go down the physical route.</p>

    [Counters]

    <p>Shuppet and Mankey get in for free, if Venonat unleashes its Sleep Powder, since they are immune to sleep thanks to their ability to avoid being put to Sleep. Aron, Bronzor, and Shieldon resist most of Venonat's attacking arsenal; however, they are slow and run the risk being put to sleep. Munchlax also stops cold a the sweeping version cold, and a ResTalk set shuts down every variant of Venonat that there is. You can try to Roar Venonat away on the turn he Baton Passes, wasting so his efforts will have been in vain. Focus Sash versions are picked off by priority users such as Bullet Punch Machop, Aqua Jet Squirtle and Kabuto, and Fake Out users Pokemon who have access to Fake Out. Venonat is rather slow and frail, so switching in a Fire- or Flying-type that is faster than him before he Agilities will scare him away. Taunt shuts down most support sets.</p>



    lots of changes in this thing. good writeup franky.

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  9. Flora

    Flora Yep, that tasted purple!
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    franky put uragg's stuff in so...

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    <p>Venonat is not intended to be the star of the show or the centerpiece of a team. However, he is, with proper support, a very valuable niche Pokemon that who can help a team immensely by providing paralysis, sleep support, or Speed boosts for his teammates. Venonat does have some useful resistances, most notably a quadruple resistances to Fighting- and Grass-type attacks, allowing you to bring him into Fighting- and Grass-type hits safely and then react accordingly. (didn't see the need of this part) If you manage to get Venonat in safely, the threat of Sleep Powder gives you the opportunity to swing the momentum back in your team's favor. Venonat may not have stellar stats, but he must be played around carefully since he can easily cripple multiple Pokemon with status.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Agility Passer
    move 1: Sleep Powder
    move 2: Baton Pass
    move 3: Agility
    move 4: Sludge Bomb / Psychic / Protect
    item: Focus Sash / Oran Berry
    ability: Compoundeyes
    nature: Timid
    evs: 196 HP / 36 Def / 36 SpA / 236 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Venonat's main role on a team is to pass Speed boosts to a slower sweeper. Compoundeyes is a great asset for Venonat, giving his Sleep Powder an almost perfect accuracy of 97.5%. Putting an opponent to sleep allows him to get an Agility in for free and maybe sometimes even get the recipient of the Speed boost in without harm. The final slot provides Venonat with a reliable attack in case it he is hit by Taunt.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>With the given EVs, Venonat hits 30 Speed after an Agility, which is enough to outrun almost all of the metagame, at worst tying with max Speed Choice Scarf Voltorb. This enables Venonat to put whatever any Pokemon who comes in to sleep without taking a hit, bar a priority move.</p>

    <p>The fourth move has many different options to choose from. Sludge Bomb gets STAB and allows Venonat to hit opposing targets relatively hard. Psychic hits the most popular sleep-immune Pokemon, Mankey, for super effective damage, as well as hitting opposing Poison-type Pokemon hard. Protect can be used if Venonat is leading so that Aipom and Meowth don't break his Focus Sash, but it will leave him completely vulnerable to Taunt leads such as Gligar and Voltorb.</p>

    <p>A good Pokemon to pair with Venonat is Houndour. Houndour's Flash Fire ability allows him to freely switch into Fire-type attacks directed at Venonat while boosting his own Fire-type attacks.
    Sweepers such as Cranidos, Cubone, Gligar, Houndour, Machop, and Houndour and all work well after they receive a Speed boost from Venonat. Cranidos and Cubone are on the same boat; both of them are heavy hitters who unfortunately lack the Speed to threaten anything, so passing an Agility to them can really turn the tables. Machop and Gligar can both receive a boost and continue to stat up, or, alternatively, just take the boost and start sweeping with their good Attack stats. Lastly, Houndour is a good Pokemon to pair with Venonat because his Flash Fire ability allows him to freely switch into Fire-type attacks directed at Venonat while boosting his own Fire-type attacks.</p>

    (rearranging, felt like the first two sentences were randomly stuffed in.)

    [SET]
    name: Choice Scarf
    move 1: Sleep Powder
    move 2: Sludge Bomb
    move 3: Psychic
    move 4: Hidden Power Ice / Hidden Power Fire
    item: Choice Scarf
    ability: Tinted Lens
    nature: Timid
    evs: 36 HP / 36 Def / 196 SpA / 196 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Venonat is not exactly an offensive powerhouse, but a Choice Scarf set is a viable alternative since he possesses the ability to stop sweepers with a fast Sleep Powder. This set can be used as a lead to give you an advantage from the get-go or to take care of a sweeper later in the game with Sleep Powder or Sludge Bomb. If you’re using Venonat as a lead, Compoundeyes is the preferred ability in order to neutralize the opponent’s Pokemon 97.5% of the time.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Venonat's movepool isn't particularly broad, so the best special attacking options are used. Sludge Bomb acts as the is Venonat's main and strongest attack as it is Venonat's strongest attack when factoring in STAB and Tinted Lens. Psychic hits Poison- and Fighting-types for super effective damage. The fourth move depends on what
    he wants needs to hit; Hidden Power Ice OHKOes Gligar, Taillow, and Diglett while Hidden Power Fire is Venonat’s best bet against Bronzor, although Bronzor will shrug off Hidden Power Fire without too much trouble.</p>

    <p>The ability just comes down to personal preference. Compoundeyes ensures that Venonat’s Sleep Powder will hit most of the time, (comma) and is usually making it the desirable choice on the lead slot. Tinted Lens will give Venonat more power, since resistances still take the same amount of damage damage as they would if they were neutral.</p>

    <p>Having Stealth Rock on a team with Choice Scarf Venonat is always a good idea, as Choice Scarf Venonat will cause a lot of switches. Having Stealth Rock
    makes the most of those switches, helps by chipping away HP every time a Pokemon switches in. Also, having Pokemon who can stat up, especially behind a Substitute, is not a bad idea since the opponent’s Pokemon will be asleep, allowing for a free switch to a sweeper. Magnemite or Machop good partners to use with Venonat, since they can beat most Pokemon that who commonly switch into Venonat, such as Bronzor and Munchlax, respectively.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Double Powder
    move 1: Sleep Powder
    move 2: Stun Spore
    move 3: Bug Bite
    move 4: Baton Pass / Hidden Power Fire
    item: Oran Berry / Focus Sash
    ability: Compoundeyes
    nature: Jolly / Naive
    evs: 196 HP / 76 Atk / 236 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Thanks to Compoundeyes, Venonat's Stun Spore's and Sleep Powder's accuracy skyrockets to 97.5%, making Venonat an ideal double powder user. Taking advantage of this, Venonat can attempt to cripple the opponent by using the time-tested successful double powder strategy of double powder: sleep one opponent and paralyze another
    it when he switches in.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Bug Bite can help Venonat steal Berries, most notably Oran Berry, from assorted foes
    . (unbold this period) Venonat can use Baton Pass to scout whether the foe has an Insomnia user waiting in the wings, or to see what Pokemon the opponent is willing to sacrifice as a sleep absorber. Another option is Hidden Power Fire, which can hit both Bronzor and Croagunk relatively hard.</p>

    <p>Slow Pokemon such as Cranidos, Cubone, Houndour, Machop, and Wailmer all work exceptionally well with this set. Venonat can put a counter to sleep and start spreading paralysis to the other Pokemon, allowing slow, heavy hitters to have an easier time in the match. If Venonat runs Baton Pass, it makes switching in your Pokemon a lot easier; you don't have to run the risk of a double switch, and if the opponent decides to stay in, (comma) you can generally tell what he is going to do.</p>

    [Team Options]

    <p>You should try to support Venonat by covering his major weaknesses
    Fire- and Rock-type moveswith something like Pokemon such as Onix or and Rhyhorn. Both Onix and Rhyhorn can utilize the free turn from Sleep Powder to set up Stealth Rock and support the entire team. Packing a Houndour can help absorb Fire-type hits dished directed at Venonat. However, Houndour can’t handle Magby because of Mach Punch, so be sure to bring Choice Scarf Chinchou to handle Magby.</p>

    <p>If you plan on running the Agility Passer set, then slow
    , (comma) bulky Pokemon who resist Venonat's weaknesses are good options to use alongside him. Pokemon such as Cranidos, Cubone, and Wailmer can benefit from Agility. With the Double Status set, the same slow, (comma) bulky Pokemon work just as well, since the paralysis makes up for their lack of Speed. Having dual screens down helps too, as it makes the Baton Passing process much easier.</p>

    [Optional Changes]

    <p>Signal Beam can be used on attacking sets as a secondary STAB attack, but its Base Power is less than desired. An accurate Disable can stop Choice users in their tracks and force them to switch or Struggle; however, Venonat, bar Choice Scarf variants, is too slow to use it effectively. Toxic Spikes and Morning Sun could be used(backspaced), but Venonat's poor defenses make the moves' usefulness questionable. Also, Venonat generally has better things to do than heal his HP. Zen Headbutt can go in place of replace Psychic if you decide to go down the physical route.</p>

    [Counters]

    <p>Shuppet and Mankey get in for free if Venonat unleashes uses
    its Sleep Powder since they are immune to sleep. Aron, Bronzor, and Shieldon resist most of Venonat's attacking arsenal; however, they are slow and run the risk of being put to sleep. Munchlax also stops the sweeping version cold, and a RestTalk set shuts down every variant of Venonat variant that there is. You can try use to a Pokemon with Roar to phaze Venonat away on the turn he Baton Passes, wasting his efforts. Focus Sash versions are picked off by priority users such as Bullet Punch Machop, Aqua Jet Squirtle and Kabuto, and Fake Out users. Venonat is rather slow and frail, so switching in a Fire- or Flying-type that who is faster than him before he uses Agility will scare him away. Taunt shuts down most of Venonat's support sets.</p>


    Not much to say. This is nicely written! That/who and it/he issues but it seems they're common.
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  10. Aerrow

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    <p>Venonat is not intended to be the star of the show or the centerpiece of a team. However, he is, with proper support, a very valuable niche Pokemon who can help a team immensely by providing paralysis, sleep support, or Speed boosts for his teammates. Venonat does have some useful resistances, most notably quadruple resistances to Fighting- and Grass-type attacksIf you manage to get Venonat in safely, the threat of Sleep Powder gives you the opportunity to swing the momentum back in your team's favor. Venonat may not have stellar stats, but he must be played around carefully since he can easily cripple multiple Pokemon with status.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Agility Passer
    move 1: Sleep Powder
    move 2: Baton Pass
    move 3: Agility
    move 4: Sludge Bomb / Psychic / Protect
    item: Focus Sash / Oran Berry
    ability: Compoundeyes
    nature: Timid
    evs: 196 HP / 36 Def / 36 SpA / 236 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Venonat's main role on a team is to pass Speed boosts to a slower sweeper. Compoundeyes is a great asset for Venonat, giving his Sleep Powder an almost perfect accuracy of 97.5%. Putting an opponent to sleep allows him to get an Agility in for free and sometimes even get the recipient of the Speed boost in without harm. The final slot provides Venonat with a reliable attack in case he is hit by Taunt.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>With the given EVs, Venonat hits 30 Speed after an Agility, which is enough to outrun almost all of the metagame, at worst tying with max Speed Choice Scarf Voltorb. This enables Venonat to put any Pokemon who comes in to sleep without taking a hit, bar a priority move.</p>

    <p>The fourth move has many different options to choose from. Sludge Bomb gets STAB and allows Venonat to hit opposing targets relatively hard. Psychic hits the most popular sleep-immune Pokemon, Mankey, for super effective damage, as well as hitting opposing Poison-type Pokemon hard. Protect can be used if Venonat is leading so that Aipom and Meowth don't break his Focus Sash, but it will leave him completely vulnerable to Taunt leads such as Gligar and Voltorb.</p>

    <p>Sweepers such as Cranidos, Cubone, Gligar, Machop, and Houndour and all work well after they receive a Speed boost from Venonat. Cranidos and Cubone are on the same boat; both of them are heavy hitters who unfortunately lack the Speed to threaten anything, so passing an Agility to them can really turn the tables. Machop and Gligar can both receive a boost and continue to stat up, or, alternatively, just take the boost and start sweeping with their good Attack stats. Lastly, Houndour is a good Pokemon to pair with Venonat because his Flash Fire ability allows him to freely switch into Fire-type attacks directed at Venonat while boosting his own Fire-type attacks.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Choice Scarf
    move 1: Sleep Powder
    move 2: Sludge Bomb
    move 3: Psychic
    move 4: Hidden Power Ice / Hidden Power Fire
    item: Choice Scarf
    ability: Tinted Lens
    nature: Timid
    evs: 36 HP / 36 Def / 196 SpA / 196 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Venonat is not exactly an offensive powerhouse, but a Choice Scarf set is a viable alternative since he possesses the ability to stop sweepers with a fast Sleep Powder. This set can be used as a lead to give you an advantage from the get-go or to take care of a sweeper later in the game with Sleep Powder or Sludge Bomb. If you’re using Venonat as a lead, Compoundeyes is the preferred ability in order to neutralize the opponent’s Pokemon 97.5% of the time.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Venonat's movepool isn't particularly broad, so the best special attacking options are used. Sludge Bomb is Venonat's main and strongest attack when factoring in STAB and Tinted Lens. Psychic hits Poison- and Fighting-types for super effective damage. The fourth move depends on what he needs to hit; Hidden Power Ice OHKOes Gligar, Taillow, and Diglett while Hidden Power Fire is Venonat’s best bet against Bronzor, although Bronzor will shrug off Hidden Power Fire without too much trouble.</p>

    <p>The ability comes down to personal preference. Compoundeyes ensures that Venonat’s Sleep Powder will hit most of the time, making it the desirable choice on the lead slot. Tinted Lens will give Venonat more power, since resistances still take the same amount of damage as they would if they were neutral.</p>

    <p>Having Stealth Rock is always a good idea, as Choice Scarf Venonat will cause a lot of switches. Stealth Rock helps by chipping away HP every time a Pokemon switches in. Also, having Pokemon who can stat up, especially behind a Substitute, is not a bad idea since the opponent’s Pokemon will be asleep, allowing for a free switch to a sweeper. Magnemite or Machop good partners to use with Venonat, since they can beat most Pokemon who commonly switch into Venonat, such as Bronzor and Munchlax, respectively.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Double Powder
    move 1: Sleep Powder
    move 2: Stun Spore
    move 3: Bug Bite
    move 4: Baton Pass / Hidden Power Fire
    item: Oran Berry / Focus Sash
    ability: Compoundeyes
    nature: Jolly / Naive
    evs: 196 HP / 76 Atk / 236 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Thanks to Compoundeyes, Venonat's Stun Spore's and Sleep Powder's accuracy skyrockets to 97.5%, making Venonat an ideal double powder user. Taking advantage of this, Venonat can attempt to cripple the opponent by using the successful double powder strategy: sleep one opponent and paralyze another when he switches in.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Bug Bite can help Venonat steal Berries, most notably Oran Berry, from assorted foes. (unbold this period) Venonat can use Baton Pass to scout whether the foe has an Insomnia user waiting in the wings, or to see what Pokemon the opponent is willing to sacrifice as a sleep absorber. Another option is Hidden Power Fire, which can hit both Bronzor and Croagunk relatively hard.</p>

    <p>Slow Pokemon such as Cranidos, Cubone, Houndour, Machop, and Wailmer all work exceptionally well with this set. Venonat can put a counter to sleep and start spreading paralysis to the other Pokemon, allowing slow, heavy hitters to have an easier time in the match. If Venonat runs Baton Pass, it makes switching in your Pokemon a lot easier; you don't have to run the risk of a double switch, and if the opponent decides to stay in, (comma) you can generally tell what he is going to do.</p>

    [Team Options]

    <p>You should try to support Venonat by covering his major weaknesses—Fire- and Rock-type moves—with Pokemon such as Onix and Rhyhorn. Both Onix and Rhyhorn can utilize the free turn from Sleep Powder to set up Stealth Rock and support the entire team. Packing Houndour can help absorb Fire-type hits directed at Venonat. However, Houndour can’t handle Magby because of Mach Punch, so be sure to bring Choice Scarf Chinchou to handle Magby.</p>

    <p>If you plan on running the Agility Passer set, then slow, bulky Pokemon who resist Venonat's weaknesses are good options to use alongside him. Pokemon such as Cranidos, Cubone, and Wailmer can benefit from Agility. With the Double Status set, the same slow, bulky Pokemon work just as well, since the paralysis makes up for their lack of Speed. Having dual screens down helps too, as it makes the Baton Passing process much easier.</p>

    [Optional Changes]

    <p>Signal Beam can be used on attacking sets as a secondary STAB attack, but its Base Power is less than desired. An accurate Disable can stop Choice users in their tracks and force them to switch or Struggle; however, Venonat, bar Choice Scarf variants, is too slow to use it effectively. Toxic Spikes and Morning Sun could be used, but Venonat's poor defenses make the moves' usefulness questionable. Also, Venonat generally has better things to do than heal his HP. Zen Headbutt can replace Psychic if you decide to go down the physical route.</p>

    [Counters]

    <p>Shuppet and Mankey get in for free if Venonat uses Sleep Powder since they are immune to sleep. Aron, Bronzor, and Shieldon resist most of Venonat's attacking arsenal; however, they are slow and run the risk of being put to sleep. Munchlax also stops the sweeping version cold, and a RestTalk set shuts down every Venonat variant that there is. You can use a Pokemon with Roar to phaze Venonat away on the turn he Baton Passes, wasting his efforts. Focus Sash versions are picked off by priority users such as Bullet Punch Machop, Aqua Jet Squirtle and Kabuto, and Fake Out users. Venonat is rather slow and frail, so switching in a Fire- or Flying-type who is faster than him before he uses Agility will scare him away. Taunt shuts down most of Venonat's support sets.</p>
  11. Heysup

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