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VGC 14 [VGC 2014] Ferrothorn

Discussion in 'Preliminary Pokedex' started by Energy, Feb 20, 2015.

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    Overview
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    Ferrothorn has high defenses along with a fantastic defensive typing that grants it nine resistances and one immunity, allowing it to be one of the most capable walls in VGC. Ferrothorn's typing also gives it immunity to Spore and Sleep Powder and lets it take on Fairy-types. Ferrothorn's fairly high Attack stat allows it to hit with its powerful STAB moves, Gyro Ball and Power Whip, the latter having the capability to OHKO Rotom-W on the switch, though Ferrothorn does have to watch out for a burn. Ferrothorn's horrid Fire-type weakness is exploited by common threats such as Mega Charizard Y and Talonflame. Furthermore, Ferrothorn faces competition from Mega Mawile as a defensive Steel-type and from Amoonguss and Gourgeist as a bulky Grass-type.

    Standard
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    name: Standard
    move 1: Power Whip
    move 2: Gyro Ball / Thunder Wave / Substitute
    move 3: Leech Seed
    move 4: Protect
    ability: Iron Barbs
    item: Lum Berry
    evs: 252 HP / 204 Atk / 52 SpD
    ivs: 0 Spe
    nature: Brave

    Moves
    ========

    Power Whip is Ferrothorn's strongest STAB, KOing Rotom-W on the switch in. Gyro Ball hits incredibly powerfully thanks to Ferrothorn's pitiful Speed; it does have unimpressive coverage, however. Thunder Wave is able to cripple the majority of the fast-paced metagame. As a side note, never run Thunder Wave alongside Gyro Ball, because it reduces Gyro Ball's power. Substitute allows Ferrothorn to pull off SubSeed shenanigans and works well because of Ferrothorn's solid resistances. Leech Seed slowly wears down the foe, provides Ferrothorn with a source of recovery, and works well in tandem with Protect, which can scout for moves and accumulate Leech Seed damage.

    Set Details
    ========

    Maximum HP EV investment is needed to make full use of Ferrothorn's base 76 HP. 204 Attack EVs and a Brave nature allow it to OHKO Rotom-W with Power Whip. The rest of the EVs are put into Special Defense to patch up Ferrothorn's lower defense. 0 Speed IVs allow Ferrothorn to maximize Gyro Ball's power and underspeed other Pokemon when Trick Room is set. Lum Berry shields Ferrothorn from Rotom-W's Will-O-Wisp or cures sleep from Smeargle's Dark Void once. However, Rocky Helmet is also useful to severely annoy physical attackers, mainly Kangaskhan. One can run a more defensive spread with a Sassy or Relaxed nature. In addition, one can use 12 Speed EVs to allow Ferrothorn to outspeed paralyzed base 100 Speed Pokemon.

    Usage Tips
    ========

    Ferrothorn should be switched in on moves that it resists, such as Mega Kangaskhan's Return or a Choice-locked Draco Meteor. Unfortunately, Ferrothorn's STAB combination is resisted by a plethora of Pokemon, so Leech Seed is generally the preferred move. It is smart to save Ferrothorn for the end of the match because an opponent can potentially be out of super effective moves by then, thus making Ferrothorn a win condition. Ferrothorn is really only OHKOed by Fire-type moves, so keep it away from them at all costs!

    Team Options
    ========

    Ferrothorn appreciates Pokemon that resist its Fire-type weakness, such as Salamence and Gyarados, which also provide Intimidate support. Dragon-types such as Garchomp and the aforementioned Salamence appreciate Ferrothorn's Dragon- and Fairy-type resistances.
    Talonflame has fantastic synergy with Ferrothorn and beats Fighting-types that threaten Ferrothorn. Politoed resists Fire-type moves and weakens their power via Drizzle. Rotom-W also resists Fire-type moves, and it has access to Will-O-Wisp to burn Fighting-types. Gothitelle makes for a good partner because it can trap Pokemon that lack a Fire-type move and make it difficult for them to break through Ferrothorn. Trick Room support from the likes of Chandelure allows Ferrothorn to go first thanks to its low Speed.

    Other Options
    ########

    Rocky Helmet stacks with Iron Barbs and punishes physical attackers a great deal, though Ferrothorn prefers a defensive item. Sitrus Berry could also be used as an additional method of healing. However, it is usually more practical on a Pokemon such as Rotom-A because Ferrothorn really appreciates immunity to burns. A set of Thunder Wave / Leech Seed / Iron Head / Protect with a spread of 252 HP / 132 Atk / 108 Def / 4 SpD / 12 Spe with Leftovers lets Ferrothorn OHKO Gardevoir with Iron Head and survive two of Mega Mawile's Fire Fangs 81% of the time. Iron Head can be used for consistency, but Gyro Ball is all-around more powerful. Seed Bomb is more accurate than Power Whip but lacks power. Rest can be used for instant recovery and status relief, but it is unreliable because special Fire-type STAB moves OHKO Ferrothorn anyway.

    Checks & Counters
    ########

    **Super Effective Moves**: Pokemon such as Talonflame, Mega Charizard Y, Rotom-H, and Chandelure can easily OHKO Ferrothorn with their STAB moves. Fire-type coverage moves from the likes of Salamence and Hydreigon are also troublesome.

    **Steel-types**: Other Steel-types such as Aegislash and Mawile do not mind Ferrothorn's STAB moves and some can even set up Substitutes to shield themselves from Leech Seed. Mawile can also hurt Ferrothorn's effectiveness via Intimidate.

    **Intimidate Users**: Salamence, Scrafty, and Mega Manectric all lower Ferrothorn's Attack stat and carry super effective moves to hit Ferrothorn hard.

    **Will-O-Wisp**: Will-O-Wisp from other Grass-types such as Gourgeist and Trevenant slowly wears Ferrothorn down and neuters its Attack.
    Last edited: Mar 4, 2015
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    Overview
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    Ferrothorn has high defenses on both sides along with a fantastic defensive typing that grants it nine resistances and one immunity, allowing it to be one of the most capable walls in VGC. Ferrothorn's typing also gives it an immunity to Spore and Sleep Powder and is now able to take on Fairy-types. Ferrothorn's Reasonable fairly high Attack stat that allows Ferrothorn it to hit with its high powered powerful STAB moves,(add comma) in Gyro Ball and Power Whip, the latter having the capability to which OHKOes Rotom-W on the switch,(add comma) thanks to this, it though Ferrothorn does have to watch out for a burn though. Ferrothorn's h(lowercase h)orrid Fire-type weakness is exploited by common threats such as and Mega Charizard Y and Talonflame are common. Ferrothorn faces competition from Mega Mawile as a defensive Steel-type and from Amoonguss and Gourgeist as a bulky Grass-type.

    Standard
    ########
    name: Standard
    move 1: Power Whip
    move 2: Gyro Ball / Thunder Wave / Substitute
    move 3: Leech Seed
    move 4: Protect
    ability: Iron Barbs
    item: Lum Berry
    evs: 252 HP / 204 Atk / 52 SpD
    ivs: 0 Spe
    nature: Brave

    Moves
    ========

    Power Whip,(add comma) is Ferrothorn's strongest STAB option,(add comma) and it OHKOes Rotom-W on a the switch-(add hyphen)in. Gyro Ball hits incredibly powerfully thanks to Ferrothorn's pitiful Speed; it does have unimpressive coverage, however. Thunder Wave is able to cripple the majority of the fast-paced metagame. (As a side note, never run Thunder Wave alongside Gyro Ball;(add semicolon) because it paralyzing the opponent halfs halves Gyro Ball's power. This sentence should probably go under Usage Tips) Substitute allows Ferrothorn to pull off SubSeed shenanigans and it works well because of Ferrothorn's solid resistances. Leech Seed slowly wears down the opponent and provides Ferrothorn a source of recovery;(add semicolon) it also and works well in tandem with Protect,(add comma) which it can use to scout for moves while also sapping health from the foe for free and Leech Seed damage.

    Set Details
    ========

    Maximum HP EV investment is needed to make full use of Ferrothorn's base 76 HP.
    204 Attack EVs and a Brave nature allow it to OHKO Rotom-W with Power Whip. The rest of the EVs are put into Special Defense to patch up Ferrothorn's lower defensive side. 0 Speed IVs allow Ferrothorn to maximize Gyro Ball's power and underspeed other Pokemon when Trick Room is set. Lum Berry shields Ferrothorn from Rotom-W's Will-O-Wisp and or (or sounded better to me because "and" implies it can cure both burn and sleep in one battle) allows it to mitigate cures sleep from Smeargle's Dark Void once. However, Rocky Helmet is also useful to severely annoy physical attackers, mainly Kangaskhan. One can run a more defensive spread with a defensive EV allocation and a Sassy or Relaxed nature. In addition, one can potentially use 12 Speed EVs to allow Ferrothorn to outspeed paralyzed base 100 Speed Pokemon.

    Usage Tips
    ========

    Ferrothorn should be sent out against Pokemon with STAB moves that Ferrothorn resists;,(remove semicolon + add comma) such examples include as Mega Kangaskhan's Return or a Choice-locked Draco Meteor. Unfortunatel Unfortunately, Ferrothorn's STAB combination is resisted by a plethora of Pokemon, therefore, so Leech Seed is generally the preferred attack move. It is smart to save Ferrothorn for the end of the match because an opponent can potentially be out of super effective moves, thus making Ferrothorn a win condition. Ferrothorn is really only killed via Fire-type moves, so keep it away from them at all costs!

    Team Options
    ========

    Ferrothorn appreciates Pokemon that resist its Fire-type weakness;,(remove semicolon + add comma) such as Salamence and Gyarados, which also are such examples and provide Intimidate support. Dragon-types such as Garchomp and the aforementioned Salamence appreciate Ferrothorn's Dragon- and Fairy-type resistances. Talonflame has fantastic synergy with Ferrothorn and Talonflame beats Fighting-types that threaten Ferrothorn. Politoed resists Fire-type moves and weakens the their power of these moves via Drizzle. Rotom-W can also resist Fire-type moves, and has access to Will-O-Wisp to burn Fighting-types. Gothitelle makes for a good partner because it can trap Pokemon that lack a Fire-type move and make it difficult for them to break Ferrothorn. Trick Room support from the likes of Chandelure allows Ferrothorn to go first thanks to its low Speed.

    Other Options
    ########

    Rocky Helmet stacks with Iron Barbs and punishes physical attackers a bunch great deal, though Ferrothorn prefers a defensive item. Sitrus Berry could also be used as an additional method of healing,.(remove comma + add period) H(capitalize h)owever, it is usually more practical on a Pokemon like Rotom-A because Ferrothorn really appreciates immunity to burns. A set of Thunder Wave / Leech Seed / Iron Head / Protect with a spread of 252 HP / 132 Atk / 108 Def / 4 SpD / 12 Spe with a Leftovers. This is used to OHKO Gardevoir with I(capitalize i)ron Head and to live two of Mega Mawile's Fire Fangs twice 13/16 of the time. Somewhat niche, but has its uses.(this sentence seemed superfluous) Iron Head can be used for consistency, but Gyro Ball is all-around more powerful. Seed Bomb is more accurate than Power Whip but overall, it lacks power. Rest can be used for instant recovery and status relief, but it is unreliable because specially based special fire-type STAB moves OHKO Ferrothorn anyways.

    Checks & Counters
    ########

    **Super Effective Moves**: Fire-type moves and Pokemon such as Talonflame, Mega Charizard Y, Rotom-H, and Chandelure can easily OHKO Ferrothorn with their STAB moves. Fire-type coverage moves from the likes of Salamence and Hydreigon are also troublesome.

    **Steel-types**: Other Steel-types such as Aeigslash Aegislash and Mawile do not mind Ferrothorn's STAB moves and some can even set Substitutes to shield them from Leech Seed. Mawile can also hurt Ferrothorn's effectiveness via Intimidate.

    **Intimidate Pokemon**: Salamence, Scrafty, and Mega Manectric all lower Ferrothorn's Attack stat and carry super effective moves to hit Ferrothorn hard.

    **Will-O-Wisp**: Will-O-Wisp from other grass-types such as Gourgeist and Trevenant slowly wears down Ferrothorn down and neuters its Attack.
    Last edited: Feb 20, 2015
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    Overview
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    Ferrothorn has high defenses on both sides (no spectrum) along with a fantastic defensive typing that grants it nine resistances and one immunity, allowing it to be one of the most capable walls in VGC. Ferrothorn's typing also gives it immunity to Spore and Sleep Powder and lets it is now able to take on Fairy-types. Ferrothorn's fairly high Attack stat allows it to hit with its powerful STAB moves, Gyro Ball and Power Whip, the latter having the capability to OHKO Rotom-W on the switch, though Ferrothorn does have to watch out for a burn. Ferrothorn's horrid Fire-type weakness is exploited by common threats such as Mega Charizard Y and Talonflame. Furthermore, Ferrothorn faces competition from Mega Mawile as a defensive Steel-type and from Amoonguss and Gourgeist as a bulky Grass-type.

    Standard
    ########
    name: Standard
    move 1: Power Whip
    move 2: Gyro Ball / Thunder Wave / Substitute
    move 3: Leech Seed
    move 4: Protect
    ability: Iron Barbs
    item: Lum Berry
    evs: 252 HP / 204 Atk / 52 SpD
    ivs: 0 Spe
    nature: Brave

    Moves
    ========

    Power Whip is Ferrothorn's strongest STAB option, KOing and it KOes Rotom-W on a the switch in. Gyro Ball hits incredibly powerfully thanks to Ferrothorn's pitiful Speed; it does have unimpressive coverage, however. Thunder Wave is able to cripple the majority of the fast-paced metagame. As a side note, never run Thunder Wave alongside Gyro Ball, (comma) because it halfs halves (it actually quarters it though...it's 25% right?) Gyro Ball's power. Substitute allows Ferrothorn to pull off SubSeed shenanigans and it works well because of Ferrothorn's solid resistances. Leech Seed slowly wears down the opponent foe, and provides Ferrothorn with a source of recovery, (comma) and works well in tandem with Protect, (comma) which can scout for moves and accumulate Leech Seed damage.

    Set Details
    ========

    Power Whip, Ferrothorn's strongest STAB option, OHKOes Rotom-W on the switch in (remove dash). Gyro Ball hits incredibly powerfully thanks to Ferrothorn's pitiful Speed; it does have unimpressive coverage, however. Thunder Wave is able to cripple the majority of the fast-paced metagame. As a side note, never run Thunder Wave alongside Gyro Ball; because paralyzing the opponent halves Gyro Ball's power. Substitute allows Ferrothorn to pull off SubSeed shenanigans and works well because of Ferrothorn's solid resistances. Leech Seed slowly wears down the opponent and provides Ferrothorn a source of recovery; it also works well in tandem with Protect, which it can use to scout for moves while also sapping health from the foe for free.

    (somehow you replaced what you had here with Moves)


    Maximum HP EV investment is needed to make full use of Ferrothorn's base 76 HP. 204 Attack EVs and a Brave nature allow it to OHKO Rotom-W with Power Whip. The rest of the EVs are put into Special Defense to patch up Ferrothorn's lower defense defensive side. (no sides) 0 Speed IVs allow Ferrothorn to maximize Gyro Ball's power and underspeed other Pokemon when Trick Room is set. Lum Berry shields Ferrothorn from Rotom-W's Will-O-Wisp and or allows it to mitigate cures sleep from Smeargle's Dark Void once. However, Rocky Helmet is also useful to severely annoy physical attackers, mainly Kangaskhan. One can run a more defensive spread with a defensive EV allocation (same thing as spread imo) and a Sassy or Relaxed nature. In addition, one can potentially use 12 Speed EVs to allow Ferrothorn to outspeed paralyzed base 100 Speed Pokemon.

    Usage Tips
    ========

    Ferrothorn should be switched in on sent out against Pokemon with STAB moves that Ferrothorn it resists, such as Mega Kangaskhan's Return or a Choice-locked Draco Meteor. (I made this change because it could sound like Kanga's Return and Draco Meteor are examples of "Pokemon with STAB moves" rather than "STAB moves") Unfortunately, Ferrothorn's STAB combination is resisted by a plethora of Pokemon, so Leech Seed is generally the preferred move. It is smart to save Ferrothorn for the end of the match because an opponent can potentially be out of super effective moves by then, thus making Ferrothorn a win condition. Ferrothorn is really only killed via OHKOed by Fire-type moves, so keep it away from them at all costs!

    Team Options
    ========

    Ferrothorn appreciates Pokemon that resist its Fire-type weakness, such as Salamence and Gyarados, (comma) which also provide Intimidate support. Dragon-types such as Garchomp and the aforementioned Salamence appreciate Ferrothorn's Dragon- and Fairy-type resistances.
    Talonflame has fantastic synergy with Ferrothorn and beats Fighting-types that threaten Ferrothorn. Politoed resists Fire-type moves and weakens their power via Drizzle. Rotom-W can also resists Fire-type moves, and it has access to Will-O-Wisp to burn Fighting-types. Gothitelle makes for a good partner because it can trap Pokemon that lack a Fire-type move and make it difficult for them to break through Ferrothorn. Trick Room support from the likes of Chandelure allows Ferrothorn to go first thanks to its low Speed.

    Other Options
    ########

    Rocky Helmet stacks with Iron Barbs and punishes physical attackers a great deal, though Ferrothorn prefers a defensive item. Sitrus Berry could also be used as an additional method of healing. However, it is usually more practical on a Pokemon like such as Rotom-A because Ferrothorn really appreciates immunity to burns. A set of Thunder Wave / Leech Seed / Iron Head / Protect with a spread of 252 HP / 132 Atk / 108 Def / 4 SpD / 12 Spe with Leftovers is used to lets Ferrothorn OHKO Gardevoir with Iron Head and to live survive two of Mega Mawile's Fire Fangs 13/16 (personally I would go for the percentage here, but up to you) of the time. Iron Head can be used for consistency, but Gyro Ball is all-around more powerful. Seed Bomb is more accurate than Power Whip but lacks power. Rest can be used for instant recovery and status relief, but it is unreliable because special Fire-type STAB moves OHKO Ferrothorn anyway.

    Checks & Counters
    ########

    **Super Effective Moves**: Fire-type moves and Pokemon such as Talonflame, Mega Charizard Y, Rotom-H, and Chandelure can easily OHKO Ferrothorn with their STAB moves. Fire-type coverage moves from the likes of Salamence and Hydreigon are also troublesome.

    **Steel-types**: Other Steel-types such as Aegislash and Mawile do not mind Ferrothorn's STAB moves, (comma) and some can even set up Substitutes to shield themselves from Leech Seed. Mawile can also hurt Ferrothorn's effectiveness via Intimidate.

    **Intimidate Users Pokemon**: Salamence, Scrafty, and Mega Manectric all lower Ferrothorn's Attack stat and carry super effective moves to hit Ferrothorn hard.

    **Will-O-Wisp**: Will-O-Wisp from other Grass-types such as Gourgeist and Trevenant slowly wears Ferrothorn down and neuters its Attack.
    Last edited: Feb 23, 2015
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