Project VGC 2016 Community Create-a-Team [Round 5 Voting]

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Rayquaza Groudon

I don't know a way I would go about Kyogre/Xerneas or Kyogre/Yveltal without Bronzong and Mega Gengar, and I do not want to build around those for that reason. Rayquaza Groudon seems extremely interesting in the metagame right now and seems to have a very interesting relationship with Wolfe squad right now that I would like to explore. I honestly think it can be meta if we figure it out.
 
Groudon/Yveltal

Groudon because it's Groudon. Jk, it's power that is needed. Yveltal has access to Snarl that can help reduce Special hits on your Groudon which can come in clutch.
 
Kyogre/Xerneas

I feel like Xerneas is underdeveloped outside of big 6. Pairing it up with a Groudon killer seems like a good way to start a Xerneas team!
 
Round 2 has started! Read the OP + 2nd post!

Now that we found our restricted duo in Groudon/Yveltal, we will now begin the nomination phase for our 3rd slot. In addition to that, we will also nominate sets for our restricted duo, so we will have a total of three sets that are voted on in this round. Please refer to the Guidelines section of the first post for nominating sets, thank you.
 
I'm nominating Ferrothorn for our third slot because it handles Kyogre, Bronzong and Gengar (to a decent) pretty well.

Ferrothorn @ Leftovers / Lum Berry
Ability: Iron Barbs
EVs: 212 HP / 212 Atk / 84 SpD
Sassy Nature
- Leech Seed / Substitute
- Protect
- Gyro Ball
- Power Whip

Offensive calculations:

212 Atk Ferrothorn Power Whip vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Primal Kyogre: 174-206 (98.8 - 117%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO
212 Atk Ferrothorn Gyro Ball (150 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Mega Kangaskhan: 100-118 (55.2 - 65.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
212 Atk Ferrothorn Gyro Ball (150 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Xerneas: 206-246 (101.9 - 121.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO (no geomancy boost needed to KO)
212 Atk Ferrothorn Gyro Ball (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Xerneas: 206-246 (88.4 - 105.5%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO
212 Atk Ferrothorn Gyro Ball (150 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Landorus-T: 109-129 (66 - 78.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
-1 212 Atk Ferrothorn Gyro Ball (150 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Landorus-T: 73-87 (44.2 - 52.7%) -- 18.8% chance to 2HKO
212 Atk Ferrothorn Gyro Ball (150 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Yveltal: 103-123 (51.2 - 61.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Defensive Calculations:

52+ SpA Primal Kyogre Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 212 HP / 84+ SpD Ferrothorn in Heavy Rain: 75-88 (42.6 - 50%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ SpA Primal Kyogre Ice Beam vs. 212 HP / 84+ SpD Ferrothorn: 54-64 (30.6 - 36.3%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Low Kick (100 BP) vs. 212 HP / 0 Def Ferrothorn: 148-176 (84 - 100%) -- 0.4% chance to OHKO
252 Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Low Kick (100 BP) vs. 212 HP / 0 Def Ferrothorn: 134-160 (76.1 - 90.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
+2 252 SpA Fairy Aura Xerneas Moonblast vs. 212 HP / 84+ SpD Ferrothorn: 81-96 (46 - 54.5%) -- 8.2% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Landorus-T Superpower vs. 212 HP / 0 Def Ferrothorn: 130-154 (73.8 - 87.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Life Orb Yveltal Oblivion Wing vs. 212 HP / 84+ SpD Ferrothorn: 68-82 (38.6 - 46.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

Thanks to it's Lum Berry it can deal pretty hefty damage to Gengar if it wants to Will-o-Wisp it. Leech Seed could be replaced with Substitute if we want to deal with Smeargle-leads and the rest is pretty straightforward.

For Groudon I would like to play a set with Hidden Power Ice and / or mixed to surprise all the Salamence but I think a physical set with Gravity-support could be better against all the Rayquaza, Xerneas and Kyogre running around.
For Yveltal I think a physical is better - maybe even SwagPlay-edition.

 

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For our next slot I'd like us to have a good counter to Xerneas. Yveltal is a Pokemon that is notable for having an okay/slightly positive matchup vs most restricteds in the game...except it gets trashed by Xerneas harder than anything else. In some cases this means you'll be operating a single-restricted setup vs some of the most common teams in the game (but never count out Yveltal's viability against some Groudon/Xerneas teams). While Groudon can check Xerneas, it alone is never enough and needs hefty support.

Checking Xerneas is not an easy task. Simply slapping a Steel-type in there hardly accomplishes anything as Xern will often be paired up with something that destroys it, or that said something can gain too much momentum from your Steelmon (hi Groudon). It's important then, that our next Pokemon choice be something that can help against Xerneas that doesn't mind its typical partners too much. So imo some options right now include:

Heatproof Bronzong
Crobat
Red Card Clear Smog Amoonguss
Red Card Ditto
Talonflame*
Mega Gengar*

* Both of these Pokemon will need additional support to take down Xerneas because they're both shaky at handling it, but they're some offensive Pokemon that can keep Xerneas from going out of control (Gengar earlygame, Talon late).

Picking something out of these can be a bit challenge. Crobat is quite strong at ensuring Xerneas won't have pressure early game (unless it runs into Scarf Taunt Smeargle...but let's be real that almost doesn't exist), and gaining early momentum. Bronzong is great at reversing Xerneas's momentum by setting up TR and allowing Groudon to wreak havoc, and can survive anything an opposing Groudon throws at it. I prefer not to run the Red Card mons if possible, but Xerneas checks are quite limited. Mega Gengar is something I want to look into, because Shadow Tag can get quite nasty and it can pair up well with Yveltal, but coming up with a set right now is difficult since it can be a rather plan-based Pokemon and requires several teammates down the road.

At the risk of sounding boring, I've chosen Bronzong as my 3rd Pokemon option:

Bronzong @ Lum Berry
Ability: Heatproof
EVs: 252 HP / 188 Def / 68 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Gyro Ball
- Gravity
- Hypnosis
- Trick Room

Survives PBlades from Groudon and everything else but Overheat. Lum so it can take a Dark Void from Smeargle. Another option is Occa + Levitate, which gives even more safety against Groudon at the cost of not being able to do much vs Smeargle.

Groudon set would obviously have to be TR based. Precipice Blades/Protect/Fire Punch are necessary. Last slot is either Swords Dance (probably best choice)/HP Ice/Eruption/Earth Power.

Yveltal set to come later.
 
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Pyritie

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I was gonna nom zong but jibaku took it so I'm gonna nom something else good instead:

Dual speed control Cresselia

Cresselia @ Lum Berry
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 236 HP / 132 Def / 4 SpA / 76 SpD / 60 Spe
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Thunder Wave
- Icy Wind
- Skill Swap
- Helping Hand

EVs are from here. Cress is a great partner for groudon for reasons that should be obvious. Skill swapping is for weather control and for giving groudon levitate. Yveltal isn't a huge fan of trick room so I went for dual speed control cress instead of TR, so the groudon on this team would be fast-ish. Yveltal has an awkward speed tier -- it outruns a lot of other restricted mons, but it is also outsped by almost all of the other hard hitters like kang, mence, and ray. Icy wind fixes that, dealing chip damage to help our two restricteds pick up KOs and let yveltal get more damage off without having to rely on sucker punch. Thunder wave is for fucking xerneas in the ass because a paralyzed xern is a dead xern. Cress's own damage output is kinda shit (and I didn't want both icy wind and ice beam) so helping hand makes up for it. I guess you could swap this with Psychic if you hate hitmontop or something.
Lum berry because smeargle, but the item slot is relatively free.
 
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Jibaku pretty much recommended all of the things I was thinking about recommending to deal with Xerneas and Pyritie took Cresselia, but I'll add another suggestion for dealing with Xern that hasn't been brought up yet I guess.

Mawile-Mega @ Mawilite
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 148 Atk / 108 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Iron Head
- Play Rough
- Sucker Punch
- Protect
EVs are up for debate depending on what the rest of the team ends up being, keep in mind. The Speed EVs allow it to hit 84 Speed which is an amazing Speed stat as it outspeeds +2 max speed Xerneas after a Thunder Wave and underspeeds the minimum Speed Primals under Trick Room. A lot of people put 252 EVs into Attack over HP but every time I do that with Mawile I end up missing the small amount of bulk I lose. It threatens not only Xerneas but opposing Yveltal really well and synergizes with our team's Yveltal because Mawile's Sucker Punch is boosted by Yveltal's Dark Aura. It can be fairly tough to use since it struggles against both Primal Pokemon though I was able to use this set to get top 16 at Madison Regionals this year (though it was on a Dual Primals team and not a Yveltal one).

Edit: Apparently we also have to recommend the Groudon/Yveltal sets along with the 3rd mon. Here's something I guess.

Ketchup (Groudon-Primal) @ Red Orb
Ability: Desolate Land
Level: 50
EVs: 60 HP / 188 Atk / 4 Def / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Precipice Blades
- Fire Punch
- Substitute
- Protect
The EVs allow it to take 3 hits from a neutral max SpA Mega Salamence Hyper Voice with spread damage. Maximum Speed EVs are to hit other Primals before they can hit you provided they aren't also max Speed (though you'll be in a speed tie situation bar no Speed control has occurred). The rest of the EVs were put into Attack for damage. Precipice Blades and Fire Punch are strong STAB moves that hits most things pretty hard; A lot of things could be run over Substitute (I'm mainly thinking of Swords Dance) but I decided to put it on here to help keep it up and running more in the face of a Primal Kyogre since it'll be able to put up a Substitute before it gets hit by a Water move (keep in mind that this Primal Groudon is max Speed and most Primal Kyogre don't tend to go this fast).

Yveltal @ Life Orb
Ability: Dark Aura
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 244 HP / 4 Atk / 28 Def / 4 SpD / 228 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Foul Play
- Sucker Punch
- Snarl
- Protect
The spread and moves for the Yveltal I took from a friend of mine who often uses Yveltal at VGC events (I don't think he has a Smogon account) with the exception of my putting Life Orb over Black Glasses. He said that the Speed EVs are to outspeed base 95 Pokemon like Kyurem-White and non-Mega Rayquaza with the remaining EVs put into bulk. According to him it "lives everything except for a LO Raichu Volt Tackle, a non-Intimidated Mega Mawile Play Rough and a Moonblast from Xerneas." He used this set to get t64 at US Nationals this year; here's his team report.
 
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I think it is too early to start nailing down sets for the restricted mons considering they'll change depending on how the rest of the team fills out.
changes can be suggested throughout. for a group teambuilding like this though, which is entirely forum based, it is better to at least have a starting direction though
 

Pyritie

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changes can be suggested throughout. for a group teambuilding like this though, which is entirely forum based, it is better to at least have a starting direction though
Should we post full sets then for the two restricteds, or just comment on the direction they should go in? Like for my cresselia, for example, I think LO yveltal would be the best set to partner with it, but others might disagree. If they liked my pokemon nomination, would they then be forced to go with my picks for the restricteds as well, even if they disagreed with them?
 
Thing is if nobody wants to we won't end up with the 3 sets.
Like, I'm not forcing anyone to post 3 sets for their posts. But if you can suggest a nice set for our restricted mons, please do it. Voting comes afterwards anyways.
 

Thundurus (M) @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Prankster
Level: 50
EVs: 244 HP / 36 Def / 4 SpA / 124 SpD / 100 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Thunderbolt
- Taunt
- Thunder Wave
- Protect / Swagger

Survives Jolly Groudon Fire Punch, Kyogre Origin Pulse, Kangaskhan Double-Edge, about a 70% chance to survive Timid Groudon Eruption, outspeeds Landorus-T. Maybe Swagger because hax :P


Yveltal @ Life Orb / Black Glasses
Ability: Dark Aura
Level: 50
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Knock Off
- Sucker Punch
- Foul Play
- Protect

Pretty obvious what this thing does. Maybe Black Glasses if Yveltal is wanted to stay around longer and if the damage given up isn't too important.


Groudon-Primal @ Red Orb
Ability: Desolate Land
Level: 50
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest / Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Earth Power
- Eruption
- Protect
- Flamethrower / HP Ice

Another pretty obvious one. Modest could work to pick up KOs on Mons meant to survive Timid Groudon but not Modest. HP Ice can be very nice against Salamence and Rayquaza.
 
Voting phase has started! Make sure to read the start post on how to properly vote. Also keep in mind, you have to vote for 3 separate Pokémon (3rd slot and our 2 restricted Pokémon)

3rd slot:
Ferrothorn
Heat Proof Bronzong
Dual speed control Cresselia
Mawile-Mega
Gengar-Mega
Bulky Thundurus

Groudon:
TR Groudon
Jolly Groudon
Full Special

Yveltal:
LO Jolly with Snarl
LO Jolly with Knock Off
 
Hope I did this correctly.

From most votes to least votes:

3rd slot:
1. Bulky Thundurus
2. Heatproof Bronzong
3. Gengar-Mega
4. Dual Speed Control Cresselia
5. Ferrothorn

Groudon:
1. TR Groudon
2. Full Special
3. Jolly Groudon

Yveltal:
1. Life Orb with Snarl
2. Life Orb with Knock Off
 
3rd slot
  1. Gengar-Mega
  2. Ferrothorn
  3. Bulky Thundurus
  4. Dual speed control Cresselia
  5. Heat Proof Bronzong
  6. Mawile-Mega
Groudon
  1. Jolly Groudon
  2. TR Groudon
  3. Full Special
Yveltal
  1. LO Jolly with Snarl
  2. LO Jolly with Knock Off
 

Jibaku

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3rd slot
  1. Heat Proof Bronzong
  2. Gengar-Mega
  3. Bulky Thundurus
  4. Dual speed control Cresselia
  5. Ferrothorn
  6. Mawile-Mega
Groudon
  1. TR Groudon
  2. Full Special
  3. Jolly Groudon
Yveltal
  1. LO Jolly with Knock Off
  2. LO Jolly with Snarl
 
3rd slot:
1. Dual speed control Cresselia

2. Heat Proof Bronzong
3. Bulky Thundurus
4. Gengar-Mega
5. Mawile-Mega
6. Ferrothorn

Groudon:
1. Jolly Groudon

2. TR Groudon
3. Full Special

Yveltal:
1. LO Jolly with Snarl

2. LO Jolly with Knock Off
 
3rd slot:
Ferrothorn
Heat Proof Bronzong
Bulky Thundurus
Dual speed control Cresselia
Mawile-Mega
Gengar-Mega

Groudon:
Jolly Groudon
TR Groudon
Full Special

Yveltal:
LO Jolly with Snarl
LO Jolly with Knock Off
 

CorruptedOmega

Banned deucer.
3rd slot:
Heat Proof Bronzong
Dual speed control Cresselia
Bulky Thundurus
Ferrothorn
Mawile-Mega
Gengar-Mega

Groudon:
Full Special
Jolly Groudon
TR Groudon

Yveltal:
LO Jolly with Knock Off
LO Jolly with Snarl
 
3rd slot:
Gengar-Mega
Bulky Thundurus
Dual speed control Cresselia
Ferrothorn
Heat Proof Bronzong
Mawile-Mega



Groudon:
Full Special
Jolly Groudon
TR Groudon

Yveltal:
LO Jolly with Knock Off
LO Jolly with Snarl
 
3rd slot:
1. Dual speed control Cresselia
2. Ferrothorn
3. Heat Proof Bronzong
4. Bulky Thundurus
5. Gengar-Mega
6. Mawile-Mega

Groudon:
1 Jolly Groudon
2 Full Special
3 TR Groudon

Yveltal:
1 LO Jolly with Knock off
2 LO Jolly with Snarl
 
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