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VGC Ask a Simple Question, Get a Simple Answer - Mark II

Discussion in 'Past Format Discussion' started by Solace, Aug 11, 2012.

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  1. Saboros

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    What I've found that works well to counter rain in trick room is this Gardevoir:

    Gardevoir@Mental Herb/Lefties
    252HP / 4SpAtk / 252SpDef
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    Trick Room
    Ally Switch
    Sunny Day
    Psychic
  2. ryancyy

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    RE : Teammates for Top+moth combo

    Hey people! Recently i have been trying to create a team based on hitmontop + volcarona. Any advice for what pokemon will do best as their team mates? Any threats i should look out for? Thanks so much in advance for your advice!! :)
  3. callforjudgement

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    The main problem with that combo is going to be people disrupting your setup. The second-biggest problem is going to be people taking out volcarona via, e.g. priority thunderwave, before it can sweep. In general, your biggest problems are going to be Water- and Rock-type opponents, which are hard to OHKO with your spread moves, and which can often KO you back if you let them live for a turn (and you can't avoid letting at least one live for a turn).

    As such, you're going to want your supporting mons to deal with those types well. Some sort of sun inducer would help protect you against rain (and to a lesser extent sand); unfortunately, Ninetales sucks, but you might nonetheless want to use it. Alternatively, you could put Sunny Day on the set of one of your supporters. Having grass-type coverage in the rest of your team also seems useful; that would work quite well with sun, given how most Chlorophyll sweepers are grass-type.

    A different possible way to support the team is with Fighting-types, which are good against Rock-types, not bad against Water-types, and often have Wide Guard. This is what your Hitmontop should be doing already, of course; it's up to you whether you feel you need more backups with a similar plan.

    The remaining thing you probably want is a backup lead strategy. If the opponent has a faster Fake Out, their partner can quite possibly take out Volcarona before it can set up. This is unlikely to come up very often, but you might want to dedicate a team slot to an alternative strategy (not that I can think of one right now); you have six slots, so you can afford to use one of them only in niche circumstances.
  4. AuraRayquaza

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    Im planning to go to the brimingham UK vgc nats. But I'm cab out 2 hours away from it. Doe anyone have a link to times of registration or the start of the event (if there are any) so i can start planning?
  5. ryancyy

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    Thanks alot for your informative advice!! It helps alot! :)
  6. callforjudgement

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    I've seen rumours of 8am being registration, but I'm not sure how much I trust them. It seems reasonable, at least, due to there being an extra 3 rounds this year compared to previous years.
  7. Scalrag

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    I've been rejiggering my team around, and I've come across a bit of a problem.

    I for sure want to include a fakeout user on my team, because from both experience and lurking around here, it seems that's just a smart thing to have. I was planning on using Hitmontop, since he was one of my biggest foils at the last VGC tourney I participated in and seems really very useful, but then I was thinking. At this point, everybody and everybody's dog knows that most Hitmontop are going to be using fakeout, and will probably just protect first turn. That's what I learned to do eventually. What's the best way of dealing with that, then? I probably sound dumb asking, but what's the best ways of taking advantage of a first-turn protect?

    I was considering going for another lesser known fakeout user, but is it really worth the surprise factor when that pokemon probably won't be as strong as Hitmontop anyway? Even though so many people use him by now that most people would have a counter for him to start with.

    I guess long story short (too late) is it better to go with the "obvious" choices, even if chances are good that people will very much know how to deal with it?
  8. voodoo pimp

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    If you want to take advantage of turn 1 Protect, lead with something that can set up - Quiver Dance Volcarona, Tailwind whatever, etc.

    As for going with the obvious choice, every player that you need to worry about should know all the Fake Out users, especially the ones that are worth using (they might not know that, say, Delibird learns it, but then you're using Delibird), so you won't gain much in surprise value. Don't ever rely on a strategy that depends on your opponent not knowing something, and the popular choices are popular for a reason.
  9. tlyee61

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    you should try liepard. it's been rising in popularity and can be really effective.

    252 HP and Speed with Foul Play / Encore / Fake Out / TWave or Swagger etc. @Dark Gem / Sash is a good starting point
  10. PkmRngrBrad

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    OMG
    been away for 2 months, so much has improved!
    gotta totally restart black2
    so much news about x/y to catch up on,

    best nature for scyther?
  11. Agonist

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    You'd be much better off using a Scizor, since it has a far superior typing, and better movepool.
  12. Little Green Yoda

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    If you can predict the Protect, punish it with Feint.
  13. Fantom0

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    If you're hell-bent on Scyther, then it depends on if outspeeding Garchomp is useful (and it probably is for Scyther). In which case, you'll need Jolly and at least 236 Spe to outspeed Jolly 252 Garchomp. If that's not so important, then bulk will probably be your next priority.
  14. Tazer Silverscar

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    Trying to build a VGC setup for Blaziken (based entirely on the options suggested in the Smogon VGC entry for it) and it suggests using Ferrothorn as a blocker for Blaziken against water types, but Ferrothorn doesn't learn anything that will actually cover Blaziken. Does anyone know what the writer was suggesting, or can someone give better advice?
  15. Agonist

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    It suggests using Ferrothorn as a partner, since it doesn't give a damn about water-typed moves not named Scald (and even then, only because of the Burn chance). In return, Ferrothorn can use Power Whip to eliminate those Water types, and help clear the way for Blaziken.
  16. Scalrag

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    Thanks for all the help! I'm thinking I may as well go with 'top and see how it turns out. But, I ran into another problem in that case.

    I just hate it when a Pokemon ONLY learns moves in 4th gen! I never have a convenient way to do anything in 4th gen, but it seems like sucker punch is mandatory for any kind of Hitmontop setup. Is there anything that I could possibly use instead? If I have to, I'll just have to deal with it, but I am so not looking forward to having to waste time at the stupid Battle Frontier...
  17. tlyee61

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    hey man, some other nice moves on top are helping hand, feint, wide guard, etc.

    or, here's a sucker punch top off of Pokecheck:

    https://www.pokecheck.org/?p=search&pokemon=237&move=389&ver=9 (has all tops on Pokecheck that know Sucker Punch, however, some may be hacked :P)

    EDIT: https://www.pokecheck.org/?pk=4338669
    here's one that looks legal and can be used on GBU, at an event etc.

    EDIT2: 300th post :D
  18. Sidfrid

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    Was looking around for moveset statistics about Hydreigon but could not find anyone. The thing is I want to know how common is Earth power on Hydreigon.

    Don't want to know how useful (because we already know) just how common is it.
  19. Jellicent

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    The current VGC 2013 moveset stats are messed up. Going back to January, however, Earth Power appears on 10.953% of Hydreigon. Keep in mind that those stats are both 1) outdated, and 2) just from the simulator. That said, it appears to be a somewhat rarely seen move on the mon~
  20. tlyee61

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    I think this is because Flamethrower / Fire Blast basically has the same coverage as it, but it can hit Flying-types. (and grass for SE)
  21. Seraph

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    I want to ask. I've check my Pokemon at VGC and my legality is yellow and green sign. Does it mean that it pass the hack checks (I use Pokegen, btw)
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    Reminder: Smogon DOES NOT allow the discussion of cheating in official competitions
  23. MANMAN9657

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    Who do you think makes a better lightningrod user: Marowak or Seaking?
  24. callforjudgement

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    I've always found Marowak pretty underwhelming, and it also has worse typing (most Electric-types will have some way to deal with Ground-types, but often rely on their STAB to deal with Water-types other than Gastrodon, so they can struggle against Seaking; and I assume you're using Lightningrod in order to deal with Electric-type attacks, which are mostly only seen as STAB moves because Grass is more common for coverage moves). That said, I haven't used Seaking or really seen it used much, so it's a case of comparing something that I'm reasonably sure doesn't work well (except maybe in Trick Room, but it's not so great even there), to something I know nothing about.
  25. Scalrag

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    Sorry for the super dumb question(s) in advance, but I want to ask about all the different IRL tournaments because I keep hearing terms being thrown around and I don't completely understand what they are.

    I've only been participating in wi-fi tournaments from the global link, but I hear people talking about championship points and getting byes to other tournaments. What does that exactly mean? From what I've seen, it seems that Regionals are free to enter for anybody. Do you NEED championship points to enter nationals and worlds? How does that work? How do you even get championship points? Do you need to have a specific score or do you get them just by participating?

    Also, what are the tournaments typically like? I know that's kind of a broad question, but I've never been to a Pokemon tournament before, so the whole thing is new to me. I would really like to give it a try, but I know I'm not very good and I'm afraid of completely embarrassing myself.
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