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Project Victim Of The Week [VoTW #21 - Blaziken / Mega-Blaziken]

Discussion in 'Battle Spot' started by dogknees, Jan 26, 2017.

  1. Theorymon

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    I know this is about Mega Charizard X, but in a realistic situation, you don't know what kind of Charizard you'll be facing, so I think the best checks are going to be the Pokemon that can deal with both Charizards.

    Since Mega Altaria isn't released (which is a shame, I feel like that thing might be better than it was last gen lol), that leaves us with the 3 Scarfers: Nihilego, Garchomp, and Terrakion!

    Honestly I think all 3 are good choices... I think I'll vote for ThickFatAzumarill's Nihilego just because I appreciate that it's a scarfer that can straight up clean up teams with Beast Boost, has a 100% accurate move, and it doesn't have to worry about the rare Will-O-Wisp. Terrakion may be a bit better in other ways however, because I like how it deals with those Ferrothorn switch-ins that plague the other two, and nailing Porygon2 is mad cool for a scarfer as well. Really, I don't think you could go wrong with any of the 3!
  2. Fischgrat

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    Covering both Zards in one slot is really hard, but I think (besides Tyranitar ofc) out of the offensive answers I like TFA's Nihilego the best, since it outspeeds +1 Zard, deals with both variants and is a cool Pokemon in general. Sadly all defensive answers have problems with either the other mega variant or just aren't good enough as a check IMO to warrant their use over an offensive revenge killer here.
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  3. 4lexander3

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    I'm voting for psychobuzz's Hippowdon because Hippo is a very good mon in general and you can also modify the set to check CharY too or you can also run Ice Fang to beat a lot of Charizard's common partners. Furthermore you can gain good advantage vs Xard with Yawn and by that you get chipdamage on other Pokemon, scout for the other Pokemon and maybe put a Pokemon to sleep which allows your sweeper to setup or sth else.
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  4. Chrono Prodigy

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    I'm voting for tfa's Nihilego . I've already been using this set, and it is a great against both zards, volcarona, and many other common mons.
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  5. ThickFatAzumarill

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    Voting for fischgrat's Tyranitar

    Tyranitar is such a cool mon that can fit on a lot of teams, and also has a nice moveset to help it check a lot of stuff in the meta. You can also pair it with Excadrill to sweep after it's done its job.
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  6. Psychobuzz

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    This is quite an interesting vote, as some are voting for the best check, counter, or mon that can take on both formes.

    Out of the three scarfers available as a check, my vote goes to Vif-Argent's Garchomp. Nihilego's STAB combo is walled by Ground and Steel-types. Not many Pokmeon can switch into this beast, aside from the rare Togekiss maybe, but Garchomp will certainly hit any pokemon hard when it's on the field, and of course, it checks XZard very well.
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  7. GateCreeper

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    Voting for Jhon's Mega Altaria because it beats the shit of both Zard forms defensively

    Going from the perspective of only checking Zard X here and not Y, my vote will go to Fishcgrat's Tyranitar. Amazing at removing Zard X with Foul Play and Rock Tomb and very customizable allowing for it to see use on a lot of teams. Just a nice defensive answer to it in general, not really much I can say here.
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    Vif-Argent's Garchomp
    Unsurprising vote given it was my intended submission. Scarf Chomp is just the perfect check to so many boosting mons sitting around that speed tier, Charizard chiefly among them.
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    ThickFatAzumarill's Nihilego
    It can revenge kill both sets very easily, not to mention having good match ups against other threats like Lele and Koko.
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  10. Vif-Argent

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    TFA's Nihilego

    It's such an anti meta thing.

    Suggestion : I want to submit an idea for this thread (and for the same threads in others tiers). It would be good to give in OP the second (and maybe third) winner of each week. A threat doesn't have only one check and it could help new players in teambuilding or any player that want to cover a specific weakness. You could put it in a new "Hide" to let the Hall of Fame as its own purpose.
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    This isn't a resource thread, it's meant to be a competition for fun. adding runners up will just clutter the archive and help reach the post-character limit three times faster as well.

    edit: might as well vote as well.

    When we did Zard X + Y back in ORAS VotW I made up a DDD (defensive Dragon Dance) Mega Tyranitar set specifically to beat them, which (controversially) won that week. Now I know we're only doing Xard this week, but like many others I believe it's best to be prepared for both megas. I thought about voting for Ttar for this one, but it's really Ttar (or Hippo) + Excadrill that beats the Zards, not Ttar. Especially when this Ttar set gets 2HKOed by Outrage and doesn't OHKO back so you lose the 1v1. Because of that I'm going to vote for ThickFatAzumarill's Nihilego. Scarf Garchomp is beastly too, but getting a Beast Boost off Xard can snowball and hurt revenge killers.
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    Congratulations to ThickFatAzumarill for winning VoTW 15 (Mega-Charizard X) with your submission of Nihilego! Your post will be logged into the archive.
    Victim of the week #16 - Aegislash

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    Definitely triggering cant say with this one. Aegislash certainly left its fair share of influence on the ORAS metagame, and it has not disappointed doing the same thus far in Sun and Moon. Aegislash's three main sets, being Offensive Weakness Policy / SubToxic / Ghostium Z are all extremely annoying to deal with. Scouting Aegislash at team preview is often out of the question, given that Aegislash's sets are all so splashable and could fit in on almost any team. Aeigislash's main niche however comes in its ability, Stance Change, allowing it to switch its defensive stats with offensive when attacking, and offensive with defensive when defending. This allows Aegislash to be an amazing offensive and defensive pivot, which is coupled extremely well in tandem with its typing of Steel / Ghost, providing a plethora of resistances and a handy immunity to Normal and Fighting-type. So, how do you deal with Aegislash?

    Submissions are open and will be closed in four days from now. Best of luck everyone!
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  13. The Squash

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    Charizard @ Charizardite Y
    Ability: Blaze
    EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    - Flamethrower / Fire Blast
    - Solar Beam
    - Hidden Power [Ice]
    - Flame Charge

    Mega Charizard Y is the perfect counter to Aegislash, OHKOing every standard set with sun-boosted fire attacks. The set itself is pretty standard, with coverage for grass and ground types, while Flame Charge boosts Zard-Y's speed. You can use Fire Blast if you want more power, but I prefer Flamethrower because it doesn't miss when it counts.

    Offensive Calcs
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    (vs Special & Physical Attackers) 252 SpA Mega Charizard Y Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Aegislash-Shield in Sun: 188-224 (112.5 - 134.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
    (vs Dragonwhale's SubToxic) 252 SpA Mega Charizard Y Flamethrower vs. 220 HP / 36 SpD Aegislash-Shield in Sun: 186-218 (114.1 - 133.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

    Defensive Calcs:
    (vs Special Attacker) 252+ SpA Aegislash-Blade Shadow Ball vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Mega Charizard Y: 75-88 (49 - 57.5%) -- 93.8% chance to 2HKO
    0 Atk Aegislash-Blade Shadow Sneak vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Charizard Y: 40-48 (26.1 - 31.3%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
    (vs Physical Attacker) 252+ Atk Life Orb Aegislash-Blade Shadow Sneak vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Charizard Y: 66-79 (43.1 - 51.6%) -- 10.5% chance to 2HKO
    252+ Atk Life Orb Aegislash-Blade Shadow Sneak vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Charizard Y: 66-79 (43.1 - 51.6%) -- 10.5% chance to 2HKO
  14. chemcoop

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    Well I'm definitely picking Mega Charizard Y here
    Okay since the most obvious/popular choice was already taken, I'm going to have to go with something a bit more meme-friendly. Without further ado...
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    Diggersby @ Life Orb/Groundium Z
    Ability: Huge Power
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe OR 4 HP / 252 Atk / 44 Def / 4 SpD / 204 Spe
    Adamant Nature
    - Swords Dance
    - Earthquake
    - Return
    - Quick Attack

    What is up with GameFreak giving rabbits with mediocre offensive stats a phenomenal ability in HUGE POWER? HUGE POWER turns what would be an otherwise bad 'mon (looking at you Thick Fat Azumarill) into a 'mon that does HUGE DAMAGE. With 252+ Atk and HUGE POWER, Diggersby actually possesses a higher attack stat than any other Ground type in the BSS metagame, meaning that opponents who EV their Aegislash to take an EQ from Adamant Lando-T are in for a nasty surprise when they face Diggersby. Life Orb provides Diggersby with more late-game cleaning utility than Groundium; however, having a Ground type nuke isn't a bad option if you have a Z-Move slot open on your team. Plus, Diggersby is T H I C C enough to tank any hit from Aegislash (barring Atk invested Sacred Sword) and is immune to its Ghost STAB, meaning that a well-timed switch can get Diggersby in for free.

    Offensive Calcs:
    252+ Atk Huge Power Diggersby Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Aegislash-Shield: 158-188 (94.6 - 112.5%) -- 75% chance to OHKO [note the lack of LO]
    252+ Atk Life Orb Huge Power Diggersby Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Aegislash-Shield: 205-244 (122.7 - 146.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

    Just for the sake of argument, let's assume your opponent is using Aegislash as their defensive wall...
    252+ Atk Life Orb Huge Power Diggersby Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Aegislash-Shield: 156-187 (93.4 - 111.9%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO GONE

    Defensive Calcs:
    Aegislash-Shield Shadow Ball vs. Diggersby: 0-0 (0 - 0%) -- aim for the horn next time [mish mish]
    252+ SpA Aegislash-Blade Flash Cannon vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Diggersby: 103-123 (64.3 - 76.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
    0 Atk Aegislash-Blade Sacred Sword vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Diggersby: 120-142 (74.5 - 88.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

    The alternate EV spread allows you to get a favorable roll vs max Atk Aegi's Sacred Sword while still outrunning max speed Timid/Jolly Aegislash (who the hell runs that?):
    252+ Atk Aegislash-Blade Sacred Sword vs. 4 HP / 44 Def Diggersby: 146-174 (90.6 - 108%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO (Adamant/Brave)
    252 Atk Aegislash-Blade Sacred Sword vs. 4 HP / 44 Def Diggersby: 134-158 (83.2 - 98.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO (Jolly)

    I would probably argue that the first EV spread is better for general team purposes, but the second spread works better as the dedicated Aegi killer, as it beats any set outside of physical LO or Fightinium-Z/Steelium-Z. Of course, what set it is doesn't really matter when you outspeed and OHKO anyway! :P

    If your opponent is smart and switches out Aegislash, you can get a free SD. While not particularly relevant to the Aegislash discussion, it is neat to see what +2 Diggersby OHKOs...
    +2 252+ Atk Life Orb Huge Power Diggersby Quick Attack vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Charizard Y: 142-168 (92.8 - 109.8%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO
    +2 252+ Atk Life Orb Huge Power Diggersby Quick Attack vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Tapu Koko: 133-157 (91 - 107.5%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
    +2 252+ Atk Life Orb Huge Power Diggersby Quick Attack vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Greninja: 160-188 (108.8 - 127.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
    +2 252+ Atk Life Orb Huge Power Diggersby Return vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mega Venusaur: 185-218 (98.9 - 116.5%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO
    +2 252+ Atk Life Orb Huge Power Diggersby Return vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Celesteela: 104-122 (50.9 - 59.8%) -- 86.7% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

    SHOW ME YOUR F***ING COUNTERS!
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  15. Moose And Goose

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    Sp00ky (Gengar) @ Gengarite
    Ability: Cursed Body
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Substitute
    - Will-O-Wisp / Hypnosis
    - Hex
    - Sludge Bomb
    Unlike chandeliers, this s00kster really puts Aegislash in its place with this set. While Aegislash is super bulky and fairly powerful, but Gengar can set up a sub or try to status Aeigislash, which eventually leads to Aegislash getting "Spooked" as one could put it. I'm going to add a bit of filler right here so it looks like I actually have more evidence than I actually have. Gengar is great in general too because it can "Spook" many other common threats like Dewgong, any tapu that's not a scarfed Lele, and it can even do damage to other mons (help me out here it's late when I'm writing this).

    Offensive calcs:
    0 SpA Mega Gengar Hex (65 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Aegislash-Shield: 84-98 (50.2 - 58.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
    0 SpA Mega Gengar Hex (130 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Aegislash-Shield: 164-194 (98.2 - 116.1%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO
    252+ SpA Choice Specs Dewgong Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Mega Gengar: 90-106 (53.8 - 63.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

    Defensive Calcs:
    252+ SpA Aegislash-Shield Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Mega Gengar: 90-108 (53.8 - 64.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
    0 Atk Aegislash-Shield Shadow Sneak vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Mega Gengar: 32-42 (19.1 - 25.1%) -- Miniscule chance to 4HKO [Decent chance sneak doesn't break sub]

    edit: idk if the pic is working or not. i'll see if I can fix it later fixed
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  16. ThickFatAzumarill

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    Hippowdon @ Iapapa Berry / Sitrus Berry
    Ability: Sand Stream
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
    Careful Nature
    IVs: 0 Spe
    - Stealth Rock
    - Earthquake
    - Yawn
    - Slack Off / Whirlwind / Rock Tomb

    SpDef Hippo can take on offensive variants of Aegi just fine, tanking hits and OHKOing it back while it's in Blade Forme, but struggles a bit with SubToxic variants.

    calcs (open)

    vs. Special
    252+ SpA Aegislash-Blade Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Hippowdon: 75-88 (34.8 - 40.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
    252+ SpA Aegislash-Blade Never-Ending Nightmare (160 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Hippowdon: 147-174 (68.3 - 80.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery

    vs.Physical
    252+ Atk Aegislash-Blade Shadow Claw vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Hippowdon: 64-76 (29.7 - 35.3%) -- 93% chance to 4HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery
    252+ Atk Aegislash-Blade Never-Ending Nightmare (140 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Hippowdon: 127-150 (59 - 69.7%) -- 82.4% chance to 2HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery
    252+ Atk Aegislash-Blade Iron Head vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Hippowdon: 73-87 (33.9 - 40.4%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery
    252+ Atk Aegislash-Blade Corkscrew Crash (160 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Hippowdon: 144-171 (66.9 - 79.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery

    Hippo vs. Aegi
    0 Atk Hippowdon Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Aegislash-Shield: 90-108 (53.8 - 64.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
    0 Atk Hippowdon Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Aegislash-Blade: 212-252 (126.9 - 150.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO


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  17. Jhon

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    Gliscor @ Toxic Orb
    Ability: Poison Heal
    Level: 50
    EVs: 212 HP / 4 Atk / 4 Def / 220 SpD / 68 Spe
    Careful Nature
    - Earthquake
    - Substitute
    - Protect
    - Guillotine / Toxic

    Comes in on any common move. As it 1hkos Blade form it can Protect on attacks and then EQ or Substitute on predicted King's Shields or switches. Aegislash really has very few options against a well played Gliscor.
    This set even hits 124 speed, Aegislash's max is 123; just perfect.
    calcs (open)

    Offensive
    4 Atk Gliscor Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Aegislash-Blade: 186-222 (111.3 - 132.9%)
    4 Atk Gliscor Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Aegislash-Shield: 80-96 (47.9 - 57.4%) -- 82.4% chance to 2HKO

    Defensive
    252+ SpA Aegislash-Blade Never-Ending Nightmare (160 BP) vs. 212 HP / 220+ SpD Gliscor: 148-175 (83.6 - 98.8%)
    252+ SpA Aegislash-Blade Shadow Ball vs. 212 HP / 220+ SpD Gliscor: 75-88 (42.3 - 49.7%)
    4 Atk Aegislash-Blade Shadow Sneak vs. 212 HP / 4 Def Gliscor: 27-33 (15.2 - 18.6%)
    Even the rare HP Ice isn't likely to KO
    252+ SpA Aegislash-Blade Hidden Power Ice vs. 212 HP / 220+ SpD Gliscor: 152-180 (85.8 - 101.6%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
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    Lo and behold, Scrappy Pangoro to your rescue!

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    Heatran @ Expert Belt
    Ability: Flash Fire
    EVs: 20 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA / 28 SpD / 204 Spe
    Modest Nature
    - Fire Blast
    - Flash Cannon
    - Ancient Power
    - Earth Power
    Heatran brings a great set of resistances and a lot of power, as well as the ability to switch in on Fire-Type attacks from pokemon like Charizard Y. Against Aegislash, it outspeeds and OHKO's all sets besides full SpD, but those won't be able to do much back. The EV spread and Item maximize the damage output while giving Tran the ability to bluff a choice set, Speed investment lets it outpace everything up to neutral nature base 70 (read: Breloom, Cloyster), but 220 EVs could be used if you want to catch max Speed Celesteela. The spare EVs are used to boost its Special Defense so Charizard Y's Focus Blast has a lower chance of KOing. Despite the appalling Ground weakness Heatran can deal with a variety of common threats including Mega Charizard Y, Mega Charizard X variants lacking Earthquake, three of the Tapu's, Ferrothorn, Volcarona, and Mawile. Mimikyu sets lacking SD+Ghostium Z can be defeated too, or Heatran can revenge if the Z move is already used.

    If Fire Blast's accuracy is a concern, a Choice Specs set with Flamethrower also picks the OHKO on Aegislash-Shield, as well as getting the Earth Power OHKO vs bulky Mega Gengar - if you don't fall for the Hypnosis..

    calcs (open)

    252+ SpA Expert Belt Heatran Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Aegislash-Shield: 175-209 (104.7 - 125.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
    0 Atk Aegislash-Blade Sacred Sword vs. 20 HP / 4 Def Heatran: 92-110 (54.4 - 65%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
    252+ SpA Aegislash-Blade Shadow Ball vs. 20 HP / 28 SpD Heatran: 78-93 (46.1 - 55%) -- 61.3% chance to 2HKO


    252+ SpA Expert Belt Heatran Ancient Power vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Mega Charizard Y: 163-192 (106.5 - 125.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
    252 SpA Mega Charizard Y Focus Blast vs. 20 HP / 28 SpD Heatran: 146-174 (86.3 - 102.9%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO

    252+ SpA Expert Belt Heatran Earth Power vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Mega Charizard X: 154-182 (100.6 - 118.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
    252+ Atk Tough Claws Mega Charizard X Outrage vs. 20 HP / 4 Def Heatran: 69-82 (40.8 - 48.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

    252+ SpA Expert Belt Heatran Flash Cannon vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Mimikyu: 175-209 (133.5 - 159.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
    +2 252+ Atk Mimikyu Shadow Claw vs. 20 HP / 4 Def Heatran: 97-115 (57.3 - 68%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
    +2 252 Atk Mimikyu Never-Ending Nightmare (140 BP) vs. 20 HP / 4 Def Heatran: 177-208 (104.7 - 123%) -- guaranteed OHKO

    252 SpA Life Orb Tapu Koko Hidden Power Ground vs. 20 HP / 28 SpD Heatran: 135-161 (79.8 - 95.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
    252 SpA Tapu Lele Hidden Power Ground vs. 20 HP / 28 SpD Heatran: 128-152 (75.7 - 89.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
    252 SpA Tapu Lele Shattered Psyche (175 BP) vs. 20 HP / 28 SpD Heatran in Psychic Terrain: 103-122 (60.9 - 72.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
    Earth Power and Flash Cannon is a safe KO respectively.

    252+ Atk Tapu Bulu Superpower vs. 20 HP / 4 Def Heatran: 144-170 (85.2 - 100.5%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

    252+ SpA Expert Belt Heatran Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Mega Gengar: 142-168 (85 - 100.5%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
    :(


    BONUS CALCS!!! (open)

    252+ Atk Pangoro Circle Throw vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Aegislash-Blade: 186-222 (111.3 - 132.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
    252+ Atk Choice Band Pangoro Storm Throw vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Aegislash-Shield on a critical hit: 174-206 (104.1 - 123.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

    252+ SpA Aegislash-Blade Flash Cannon vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Pangoro: 109-129 (53.9 - 63.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
    also Parting Shot is awesum
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  19. Jhon

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    Fischgrat, it's Storm Throw you want. Since it always crits you don't have to worry about attacking into King's Shield
    252+ Atk Choice Band Pangoro Storm Throw vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Aegislash-Shield on a critical hit: 174-206 (104.1 - 123.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
    I actually used this pre-bank.
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  20. Fischgrat

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    i actually thought of Storm Throw, but translation mistakes / me remembering the english name wrong led to this ...

    tbh Circle throw is still useable here. i'll edit to Storm Throw though ^^
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    Suicune(Chesto Berry)
    Ability : Pressure
    EVs : 252 Hp / 156 Def / 100 SpD
    Bold Nature

    -Calm Mind
    -Scald
    -Rest
    -Ice Beam/Substitute/Mirror Coat

    The standard ChestoCune puts the three common Aegislash sets in a tough spots letting Suicune potentially set up on it. It can switch in on Z-Shadow Ball and heal the damage off with rest. The sub-toxic set of Aegi is hard to pull against this Suicune and the physical set highly fears the burn from Scald. Calcs below :
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    252+ SpA Aegislash-Blade Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 100 SpD Suicune: 67-81 (32.3 - 39.1%) -- 99% chance to 3HKO
    252+ SpA Aegislash-Blade Never-Ending Nightmare (160 BP) vs. 252 HP / 100 SpD Suicune: 135-160 (65.2 - 77.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
    252 Atk Aegislash-Blade Never-Ending Nightmare (140 BP) vs. 252 HP / 156+ Def Suicune: 94-112 (45.4 - 54.1%) -- 50.4% chance to 2HKO


    While ChestoCune is not as awesome as it was in gen6, it still retains viability being a solid check to pokemon like Garchomp , Salamence , Blaziken , Mamoswine etc.
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    Volcarona @ Sitrus Berry
    Ability: Flame Body
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 HP / 236 Def / 20 Spe
    Timid Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Quiver Dance
    - Fiery Dance/ Flamethrower
    - Roost
    - Will-O-Wisp
    Defensive Volcarona can switch in on any move Aegislash wants to throw at it, including Never-Ending Nightmare (it can then recover with Sitrus Berry and live the following Shadow Sneak), and set up on it with Quiver Dance. You can run Fiery Dance for the possible SpA boost or Flamethrower for the guaranteed 2HKO on Leftovers Aegislash. Volcarona can also burn would-be counters who try to switch in on it, i.e. Garchomp. Will-O-Wisp also allows it to check physical Aegislash, except for the rare Head Smash/Rock Slide/Rockium Z varients. Fortunately most Aegislash aren't of this sort. 20 Speed EVs allow unboosted Volcarona to outrun that cheeky max speed jolly Breloom, and outspeed base 130s (i.e. Mega Gengar, Tapu Koko) at +1.

    0 SpA Volcarona Fiery Dance vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Aegislash-Shield: 84-98 (50.2 - 58.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
    252+ SpA Aegislash-Blade Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Volcarona: 81-96 (42.1 - 50%) -- 0.4% chance to 2HKO
    252+ SpA Aegislash-Blade Never-Ending Nightmare (160 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Volcarona: 160-190 (83.3 - 98.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
    0 Atk Aegislash-Blade Shadow Sneak vs. 252 HP / 236 Def Volcarona: 34-42 (17.7 - 21.8%) -- possible 5HKO
    0 SpA Volcarona Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Aegislash-Shield: 92-110 (55 - 65.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
    Last edited: May 20, 2017
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  23. Leader Wallace

    Leader Wallace

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    Milotic @ Leftovers/Rocky Helmet
    Ability: Marvel Scale
    EVs: 252 HP/140 Def/116 Sp.def
    Nature: Calm/Bold
    -Scald
    -Ice Beam
    -Recover
    -Haze

    By virtue of it stats and Haze, Milotic can wall every set bar the toxic variant and stall against it. Scald is there for burn, Ice Beam for Dragons, Recover for longevity, and Haze to shut down set-up sweepers. It fits well on balanced and offensive teams who need an emergency check to set sweepers. Leftovers for extra Recovery, but Rocky Helmet can be used to punish physical attackers. Marvel Scale over competitive to punish status users, and competitive with Haze is counterproductive.

    Calcs: 252+ Atk Aegislash-Blade Shadow Claw vs. 252 HP / 140 Def Milotic: 76-90 (37.6 - 44.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
    252+ Atk Aegislash-Blade Shadow Claw vs. 252 HP / 140+ Def Milotic: 69-82 (34.1 - 40.5%) -- 53.4% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
    252+ SpA Aegislash-Blade Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 116+ SpD Milotic: 58-69 (28.7 - 34.1%) -- 98.9% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
    252 SpA Aegislash-Blade Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 116 SpD Milotic: 58-69 (28.7 - 34.1%) -- 98.9% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
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    TheSquash's Mega-Charizard Y (open)

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    Charizard @ Charizardite Y
    Ability: Blaze
    EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    - Flamethrower / Fire Blast
    - Solar Beam
    - Hidden Power [Ice]
    - Flame Charge

    Mega Charizard Y is the perfect counter to Aegislash, OHKOing every standard set with sun-boosted fire attacks. The set itself is pretty standard, with coverage for grass and ground types, while Flame Charge boosts Zard-Y's speed. You can use Fire Blast if you want more power, but I prefer Flamethrower because it doesn't miss when it counts.

    Offensive Calcs:
    (vs Special & Physical Attackers) 252 SpA Mega Charizard Y Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Aegislash-Shield in Sun: 188-224 (112.5 - 134.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
    (vs Dragonwhale's SubToxic) 252 SpA Mega Charizard Y Flamethrower vs. 220 HP / 36 SpD Aegislash-Shield in Sun: 186-218 (114.1 - 133.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

    Defensive Calcs:
    (vs Special Attacker) 252+ SpA Aegislash-Blade Shadow Ball vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Mega Charizard Y: 75-88 (49 - 57.5%) -- 93.8% chance to 2HKO
    0 Atk Aegislash-Blade Shadow Sneak vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Charizard Y: 40-48 (26.1 - 31.3%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
    (vs Physical Attacker) 252+ Atk Life Orb Aegislash-Blade Shadow Sneak vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Charizard Y: 66-79 (43.1 - 51.6%) -- 10.5% chance to 2HKO
    252+ Atk Life Orb Aegislash-Blade Shadow Sneak vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Charizard Y: 66-79 (43.1 - 51.6%) -- 10.5% chance to 2HKO
    chemcoop's Diggersby (open)

    Well I'm definitely picking Mega Charizard Y here
    Okay since the most obvious/popular choice was already taken, I'm going to have to go with something a bit more meme-friendly. Without further ado...
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    Diggersby @ Life Orb/Groundium Z
    Ability: Huge Power
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe OR 4 HP / 252 Atk / 44 Def / 4 SpD / 204 Spe
    Adamant Nature
    - Swords Dance
    - Earthquake
    - Return
    - Quick Attack

    What is up with GameFreak giving rabbits with mediocre offensive stats a phenomenal ability in HUGE POWER? HUGE POWER turns what would be an otherwise bad 'mon (looking at you Thick Fat Azumarill) into a 'mon that does HUGE DAMAGE. With 252+ Atk and HUGE POWER, Diggersby actually possesses a higher attack stat than any other Ground type in the BSS metagame, meaning that opponents who EV their Aegislash to take an EQ from Adamant Lando-T are in for a nasty surprise when they face Diggersby. Life Orb provides Diggersby with more late-game cleaning utility than Groundium; however, having a Ground type nuke isn't a bad option if you have a Z-Move slot open on your team. Plus, Diggersby is T H I C C enough to tank any hit from Aegislash (barring Atk invested Sacred Sword) and is immune to its Ghost STAB, meaning that a well-timed switch can get Diggersby in for free.

    Offensive Calcs:
    252+ Atk Huge Power Diggersby Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Aegislash-Shield: 158-188 (94.6 - 112.5%) -- 75% chance to OHKO [note the lack of LO]
    252+ Atk Life Orb Huge Power Diggersby Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Aegislash-Shield: 205-244 (122.7 - 146.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

    Just for the sake of argument, let's assume your opponent is using Aegislash as their defensive wall...
    252+ Atk Life Orb Huge Power Diggersby Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Aegislash-Shield: 156-187 (93.4 - 111.9%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO GONE

    Defensive Calcs:
    Aegislash-Shield Shadow Ball vs. Diggersby: 0-0 (0 - 0%) -- aim for the horn next time [mish mish]
    252+ SpA Aegislash-Blade Flash Cannon vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Diggersby: 103-123 (64.3 - 76.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
    0 Atk Aegislash-Blade Sacred Sword vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Diggersby: 120-142 (74.5 - 88.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

    The alternate EV spread allows you to get a favorable roll vs max Atk Aegi's Sacred Sword while still outrunning max speed Timid/Jolly Aegislash (who the hell runs that?):
    252+ Atk Aegislash-Blade Sacred Sword vs. 4 HP / 44 Def Diggersby: 146-174 (90.6 - 108%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO (Adamant/Brave)
    252 Atk Aegislash-Blade Sacred Sword vs. 4 HP / 44 Def Diggersby: 134-158 (83.2 - 98.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO (Jolly)

    I would probably argue that the first EV spread is better for general team purposes, but the second spread works better as the dedicated Aegi killer, as it beats any set outside of physical LO or Fightinium-Z/Steelium-Z. Of course, what set it is doesn't really matter when you outspeed and OHKO anyway! :P

    If your opponent is smart and switches out Aegislash, you can get a free SD. While not particularly relevant to the Aegislash discussion, it is neat to see what +2 Diggersby OHKOs...
    +2 252+ Atk Life Orb Huge Power Diggersby Quick Attack vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Charizard Y: 142-168 (92.8 - 109.8%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO
    +2 252+ Atk Life Orb Huge Power Diggersby Quick Attack vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Tapu Koko: 133-157 (91 - 107.5%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
    +2 252+ Atk Life Orb Huge Power Diggersby Quick Attack vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Greninja: 160-188 (108.8 - 127.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
    +2 252+ Atk Life Orb Huge Power Diggersby Return vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mega Venusaur: 185-218 (98.9 - 116.5%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO
    +2 252+ Atk Life Orb Huge Power Diggersby Return vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Celesteela: 104-122 (50.9 - 59.8%) -- 86.7% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

    SHOW ME YOUR F***ING COUNTERS!
    Moose And Goose's Mega-Gengar (open)
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    Sp00ky (Gengar) @ Gengarite
    Ability: Cursed Body
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Substitute
    - Will-O-Wisp / Hypnosis
    - Hex
    - Sludge Bomb
    Unlike chandeliers, this s00kster really puts Aegislash in its place with this set. While Aegislash is super bulky and fairly powerful, but Gengar can set up a sub or try to status Aeigislash, which eventually leads to Aegislash getting "Spooked" as one could put it. I'm going to add a bit of filler right here so it looks like I actually have more evidence than I actually have. Gengar is great in general too because it can "Spook" many other common threats like Dewgong, any tapu that's not a scarfed Lele, and it can even do damage to other mons (help me out here it's late when I'm writing this).

    Offensive calcs:
    0 SpA Mega Gengar Hex (65 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Aegislash-Shield: 84-98 (50.2 - 58.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
    0 SpA Mega Gengar Hex (130 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Aegislash-Shield: 164-194 (98.2 - 116.1%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO
    252+ SpA Choice Specs Dewgong Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Mega Gengar: 90-106 (53.8 - 63.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

    Defensive Calcs:
    252+ SpA Aegislash-Shield Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Mega Gengar: 90-108 (53.8 - 64.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
    0 Atk Aegislash-Shield Shadow Sneak vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Mega Gengar: 32-42 (19.1 - 25.1%) -- Miniscule chance to 4HKO [Decent chance sneak doesn't break sub]

    edit: idk if the pic is working or not. i'll see if I can fix it later fixed
    ThickFatAzumarill's Hippowdon (open)
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    Hippowdon @ Iapapa Berry / Sitrus Berry
    Ability: Sand Stream
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
    Careful Nature
    IVs: 0 Spe
    - Stealth Rock
    - Earthquake
    - Yawn
    - Slack Off / Whirlwind / Rock Tomb

    SpDef Hippo can take on offensive variants of Aegi just fine, tanking hits and OHKOing it back while it's in Blade Forme, but struggles a bit with SubToxic variants.
    calcs (open)
    vs. Special
    252+ SpA Aegislash-Blade Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Hippowdon: 75-88 (34.8 - 40.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
    252+ SpA Aegislash-Blade Never-Ending Nightmare (160 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Hippowdon: 147-174 (68.3 - 80.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery

    vs.Physical
    252+ Atk Aegislash-Blade Shadow Claw vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Hippowdon: 64-76 (29.7 - 35.3%) -- 93% chance to 4HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery
    252+ Atk Aegislash-Blade Never-Ending Nightmare (140 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Hippowdon: 127-150 (59 - 69.7%) -- 82.4% chance to 2HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery
    252+ Atk Aegislash-Blade Iron Head vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Hippowdon: 73-87 (33.9 - 40.4%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery
    252+ Atk Aegislash-Blade Corkscrew Crash (160 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Hippowdon: 144-171 (66.9 - 79.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery

    Hippo vs. Aegi
    0 Atk Hippowdon Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Aegislash-Shield: 90-108 (53.8 - 64.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
    0 Atk Hippowdon Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Aegislash-Blade: 212-252 (126.9 - 150.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
    Jhon's Gliscor (open)
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    Gliscor @ Toxic Orb
    Ability: Poison Heal
    Level: 50
    EVs: 212 HP / 4 Atk / 4 Def / 220 SpD / 68 Spe
    Careful Nature
    - Earthquake
    - Substitute
    - Protect
    - Guillotine / Toxic

    Comes in on any common move. As it 1hkos Blade form it can Protect on attacks and then EQ or Substitute on predicted King's Shields or switches. Aegislash really has very few options against a well played Gliscor.
    This set even hits 124 speed, Aegislash's max is 123; just perfect.
    calcs (open)
    Offensive
    4 Atk Gliscor Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Aegislash-Blade: 186-222 (111.3 - 132.9%)
    4 Atk Gliscor Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Aegislash-Shield: 80-96 (47.9 - 57.4%) -- 82.4% chance to 2HKO

    Defensive
    252+ SpA Aegislash-Blade Never-Ending Nightmare (160 BP) vs. 212 HP / 220+ SpD Gliscor: 148-175 (83.6 - 98.8%)
    252+ SpA Aegislash-Blade Shadow Ball vs. 212 HP / 220+ SpD Gliscor: 75-88 (42.3 - 49.7%)
    4 Atk Aegislash-Blade Shadow Sneak vs. 212 HP / 4 Def Gliscor: 27-33 (15.2 - 18.6%)
    Even the rare HP Ice isn't likely to KO
    252+ SpA Aegislash-Blade Hidden Power Ice vs. 212 HP / 220+ SpD Gliscor: 152-180 (85.8 - 101.6%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
    Fischgrat's Heatran (open)

    Lo and behold, Scrappy Pangoro to your rescue!

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    Heatran @ Expert Belt
    Ability: Flash Fire
    EVs: 20 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA / 28 SpD / 204 Spe
    Modest Nature
    - Fire Blast
    - Flash Cannon
    - Ancient Power
    - Earth Power​
    Heatran brings a great set of resistances and a lot of power, as well as the ability to switch in on Fire-Type attacks from pokemon like Charizard Y. Against Aegislash, it outspeeds and OHKO's all sets besides full SpD, but those won't be able to do much back. The EV spread and Item maximize the damage output while giving Tran the ability to bluff a choice set, Speed investment lets it outpace everything up to neutral nature base 70 (read: Breloom, Cloyster), but 220 EVs could be used if you want to catch max Speed Celesteela. The spare EVs are used to boost its Special Defense so Charizard Y's Focus Blast has a lower chance of KOing. Despite the appalling Ground weakness Heatran can deal with a variety of common threats including Mega Charizard Y, Mega Charizard X variants lacking Earthquake, three of the Tapu's, Ferrothorn, Volcarona, and Mawile. Mimikyu sets lacking SD+Ghostium Z can be defeated too, or Heatran can revenge if the Z move is already used.

    If Fire Blast's accuracy is a concern, a Choice Specs set with Flamethrower also picks the OHKO on Aegislash-Shield, as well as getting the Earth Power OHKO vs bulky Mega Gengar - if you don't fall for the Hypnosis..
    calcs (open)
    252+ SpA Expert Belt Heatran Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Aegislash-Shield: 175-209 (104.7 - 125.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
    0 Atk Aegislash-Blade Sacred Sword vs. 20 HP / 4 Def Heatran: 92-110 (54.4 - 65%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
    252+ SpA Aegislash-Blade Shadow Ball vs. 20 HP / 28 SpD Heatran: 78-93 (46.1 - 55%) -- 61.3% chance to 2HKO

    252+ SpA Expert Belt Heatran Ancient Power vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Mega Charizard Y: 163-192 (106.5 - 125.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
    252 SpA Mega Charizard Y Focus Blast vs. 20 HP / 28 SpD Heatran: 146-174 (86.3 - 102.9%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO

    252+ SpA Expert Belt Heatran Earth Power vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Mega Charizard X: 154-182 (100.6 - 118.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
    252+ Atk Tough Claws Mega Charizard X Outrage vs. 20 HP / 4 Def Heatran: 69-82 (40.8 - 48.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

    252+ SpA Expert Belt Heatran Flash Cannon vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Mimikyu: 175-209 (133.5 - 159.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
    +2 252+ Atk Mimikyu Shadow Claw vs. 20 HP / 4 Def Heatran: 97-115 (57.3 - 68%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
    +2 252 Atk Mimikyu Never-Ending Nightmare (140 BP) vs. 20 HP / 4 Def Heatran: 177-208 (104.7 - 123%) -- guaranteed OHKO

    252 SpA Life Orb Tapu Koko Hidden Power Ground vs. 20 HP / 28 SpD Heatran: 135-161 (79.8 - 95.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
    252 SpA Tapu Lele Hidden Power Ground vs. 20 HP / 28 SpD Heatran: 128-152 (75.7 - 89.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
    252 SpA Tapu Lele Shattered Psyche (175 BP) vs. 20 HP / 28 SpD Heatran in Psychic Terrain: 103-122 (60.9 - 72.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
    Earth Power and Flash Cannon is a safe KO respectively.

    252+ Atk Tapu Bulu Superpower vs. 20 HP / 4 Def Heatran: 144-170 (85.2 - 100.5%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

    252+ SpA Expert Belt Heatran Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Mega Gengar: 142-168 (85 - 100.5%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
    :(
    bonus calcs (open)
    252+ Atk Pangoro Circle Throw vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Aegislash-Blade: 186-222 (111.3 - 132.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
    252+ Atk Choice Band Pangoro Storm Throw vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Aegislash-Shield on a critical hit: 174-206 (104.1 - 123.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
    252+ SpA Aegislash-Blade Flash Cannon vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Pangoro: 109-129 (53.9 - 63.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
    also Parting Shot is awesum
    Kanon90's Suicune (open)
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    Suicune(Chesto Berry)
    Ability : Pressure
    EVs : 252 Hp / 156 Def / 100 SpD
    Bold Nature

    -Calm Mind
    -Scald
    -Rest
    -Ice Beam/Substitute/Mirror Coat

    The standard ChestoCune puts the three common Aegislash sets in a tough spots letting Suicune potentially set up on it. It can switch in on Z-Shadow Ball and heal the damage off with rest. The sub-toxic set of Aegi is hard to pull against this Suicune and the physical set highly fears the burn from Scald. Calcs below :
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    252+ SpA Aegislash-Blade Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 100 SpD Suicune: 67-81 (32.3 - 39.1%) -- 99% chance to 3HKO
    252+ SpA Aegislash-Blade Never-Ending Nightmare (160 BP) vs. 252 HP / 100 SpD Suicune: 135-160 (65.2 - 77.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
    252 Atk Aegislash-Blade Never-Ending Nightmare (140 BP) vs. 252 HP / 156+ Def Suicune: 94-112 (45.4 - 54.1%) -- 50.4% chance to 2HKO
    While ChestoCune is not as awesome as it was in gen6, it still retains viability being a solid check to pokemon like Garchomp , Salamence , Blaziken , Mamoswine etc.
    PPB's Volcarona (open)
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    Volcarona @ Sitrus Berry
    Ability: Flame Body
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 HP / 236 Def / 20 Spe
    Timid Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Quiver Dance
    - Fiery Dance/ Flamethrower
    - Roost
    - Will-O-Wisp
    Defensive Volcarona can switch in on any move Aegislash wants to throw at it, including Never-Ending Nightmare (it can then recover with Sitrus Berry and live the following Shadow Sneak), and set up on it with Quiver Dance. You can run Fiery Dance for the possible SpA boost or Flamethrower for the guaranteed 2HKO on Leftovers Aegislash. Volcarona can also burn would-be counters who try to switch in on it, i.e. Garchomp. Will-O-Wisp also allows it to check physical Aegislash, except for the rare Head Smash/Rock Slide/Rockium Z varients. Fortunately most Aegislash aren't of this sort. 20 Speed EVs allow unboosted Volcarona to outrun that cheeky max speed jolly Breloom, and outspeed base 130s (i.e. Mega Gengar, Tapu Koko) at +1.

    0 SpA Volcarona Fiery Dance vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Aegislash-Shield: 84-98 (50.2 - 58.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
    252+ SpA Aegislash-Blade Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Volcarona: 81-96 (42.1 - 50%) -- 0.4% chance to 2HKO
    252+ SpA Aegislash-Blade Never-Ending Nightmare (160 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Volcarona: 160-190 (83.3 - 98.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
    0 Atk Aegislash-Blade Shadow Sneak vs. 252 HP / 236 Def Volcarona: 34-42 (17.7 - 21.8%) -- possible 5HKO
    0 SpA Volcarona Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Aegislash-Shield: 92-110 (55 - 65.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
    Leader Wallace's Milotic (open)
    [​IMG]Milotic @ Leftovers/Rocky Helmet
    Ability: Marvel Scale
    EVs: 252 HP/140 Def/116 Sp.def
    Nature: Calm/Bold
    -Scald
    -Ice Beam
    -Recover
    -Haze

    By virtue of it stats and Haze, Milotic can wall every set bar the toxic variant and stall against it. Scald is there for burn, Ice Beam for Dragons, Recover for longevity, and Haze to shut down set-up sweepers. It fits well on balanced and offensive teams who need an emergency check to set sweepers. Leftovers for extra Recovery, but Rocky Helmet can be used to punish physical attackers. Marvel Scale over competitive to punish status users, and competitive with Haze is counterproductive.

    Calcs: 252+ Atk Aegislash-Blade Shadow Claw vs. 252 HP / 140 Def Milotic: 76-90 (37.6 - 44.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
    252+ Atk Aegislash-Blade Shadow Claw vs. 252 HP / 140+ Def Milotic: 69-82 (34.1 - 40.5%) -- 53.4% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
    252+ SpA Aegislash-Blade Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 116+ SpD Milotic: 58-69 (28.7 - 34.1%) -- 98.9% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
    252 SpA Aegislash-Blade Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 116 SpD Milotic: 58-69 (28.7 - 34.1%) -- 98.9% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
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    The Squash's Mega Charizard-Y great mon. Guaranteed OHKO is always nice. For greater memes you can do Substitute + Roost Specially Defensive Zard-Y but the standard set works too! Unlike some of the other Pokemon that check it more defensively, I like that Zard puts the momentum in your favor.
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