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Project Victim Of The Week [VoTW #21 - Blaziken / Mega-Blaziken]

Discussion in 'Battle Spot' started by dogknees, Jan 26, 2017.

  1. dogknees

    dogknees

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    (sorry for the double post)

    Submissions are now closed! There are to be no edits of your own Pokemon, nor are there to be any new submissions. A few quick things to note;
    • Voting will close on the 3/6 at 12:30pm GMT+11 (8:30pm EST 2/6), where the next Vitim Of The Week will also be announced
    • You can't vote for your own submission
    • You can only change your vote once, so think carefully before doing so
    • You can vote even if you haven't made a submission. It is expected that you vote if you did submit yourself, but not compulsory
    Best of luck everybody!
    Feesh Squad's Bronzong (open)

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    Ability: Levitate
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
    Sassy Nature
    IVs: 0 Spe
    - Gyro Ball
    - Hidden Power [Ice]
    - Explosion/Stealth Rock
    - Trick Room

    Other than being an excellent meme, Bronzong is a bulky Trick Room setter and has an excellent combination of typing and ability, leaving it immune to the likes of Sludge Wave and Hidden Power Ground while resisting Power Gem. Its low speed allows it to KO Nihilego with Gyro Ball or it can use the aformentioned Trick Room to turn Nihilego's excellent Speed against it.

    Defensive Calcs:
    252 SpA Nihilego Power Gem vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Bronzong: 22-27 (12.6 - 15.5%) -- possible 7HKO
    252 SpA Nihilego Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Occa Berry Bronzong: 22-27 (12.6 - 15.5%) -- possible 7HKO
    252 SpA Nihilego Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Bronzong: 34-40 (19.5 - 22.9%) -- possible 5HKO

    Offensive Calcs:
    4 Atk Bronzong Gyro Ball (125 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Nihilego: 234-276 (126.4 - 149.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

    Other than Nihilego, Bronzong's typing lets it deal with Fairy- and Dragon-types such as Tapu Lele, Garchomp, and Mega Salamence, while access to Trick Room and Explosion makes it a great lead on Trick Room teams. It can also carry Stealth Rock if needed.
    Hulavuta's Mega-Metagross (open)

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    M E G A M E T A G R O S S


    There isn't that much to say. It can come in on Power Gems and Sludge Waves, and even Thunderbolts. Originally, I was going to go Ferrothorn, but that can lose to HP Fire Nihilegos. Metagross doesn't care all that much about HP Fire.

    252 SpA Nihilego Hidden Power Fire vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Metagross: 74-88 (47.7 - 56.7%) -- 82.8% chance to 2HKO

    Metagross can rest assured as it is faster than Nihilego. If Nihilego is Scarfed, then you can also rest easy because you know it won't be able to change moves, and you can go to something else that resists Fire. But if Nihilego is even slightly chipped, you can take it out with Bullet Punch.

    252 Atk Metagross Bullet Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Nihilego: 128-152 (69.1 - 82.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

    Those are all the relevant calcs, as all of Metagross' other moves kill Nihilego at least 1.5 times over.

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    EDIT: I LIED! THOSE ARE REGULAR METAGROSS, MEGA METAGROSS IS EVEN STRONGER

    252 Atk Tough Claws Metagross-Mega Bullet Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Nihilego: 174-206 (94 - 111.3%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO

    rip

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    Metagross not only takes negligible damage from Nihilego, but, being an offensive check, it actually switches momentum to your side, regardless of if it is Scarf or Sash Nihilego. Metagross is a pretty well-insured check that goes beyond just stopping Nihilego into actually turning it into a liability.
    Chemcoop's Aegislash (open)

    The Ironclad Counter: Mega-Metagross <---(I hate Hula)
    A E G I S L A S H
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    Aegislash @ Weakness Policy
    Ability: Stance Change
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
    Quiet Nature
    IVs: 0 Spe
    - King's Shield
    - Shadow Ball
    - Flash Cannon / Sacred Sword
    - Shadow Sneak

    Yeah this beats any variant of Nihilego. Resists/immunities to both STABs plus insane defensive stats while in shield form means that Nihilego is doing 0 to Aegislash. Even rare HP Fire variants do practically nothing, trigger WP, and bring about their own demise swifter. One could also run a more Sp.Def Aegislash with Leftovers and Sub over Shadow Sneak or Shadow Ball to counter Nihilego even harder, but that's not worth it imo.
    Offensive Calcs:
    252+ SpA Aegislash-Blade Flash Cannon vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Nihilego: 134-158 (72.4 - 85.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
    +2 252+ SpA Aegislash-Blade Flash Cannon vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Nihilego: 266-314 (143.7 - 169.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
    0 Atk Aegislash-Blade Shadow Sneak vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Nihilego: 58-69 (31.3 - 37.2%) -- 76.7% chance to 3HKO
    0 Atk Aegislash-Blade Sacred Sword vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Nihilego: 86-102 (46.4 - 55.1%) -- 64.5% chance to 2HKO

    Flash Cannon into Sneak OHKOs standard Nihilego 100% of the time, and even uninvested Sacred Sword has a decent chance to 2HKO.
    Defensive Calcs:
    252 SpA Nihilego Power Gem vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Aegislash-Shield: 24-28 (14.3 - 16.7%) -- possible 6HKO
    252 SpA Nihilego Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Aegislash-Shield: 36-43 (21.5 - 25.7%) -- 1.1% chance to 4HKO
    252 SpA Nihilego Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Aegislash-Shield: 48-58 (28.7 - 34.7%) -- 3.4% chance to 3HKO

    Even if you were Taunted into Blade form and couldn't KS, Nihilego still can't OHKO with anything and you get the FC kill after WP activates.
    252 SpA Nihilego Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Aegislash-Blade: 114-136 (68.2 - 81.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

    GG Tapu Lillie Nihilego

    252 SpA Nihilego Hidden Power Fire vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Metagross-Mega: 64-76 (41.2 - 49%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
    PPB's Wailord (open)

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    Wailord @ Chesto Berry
    Ability: Oblivious
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpD
    Impish Nature
    - Curse
    - Amnesia
    - Heavy Slam
    - Rest
    This Wailord can easily set up to +6 Def, Atk and SpDef on Nihilego, Rest Up then proceed to OHKO it with Heavy Slam.
    252 SpA Nihilego Sludge Wave vs. 4 HP / 252+ SpD Wailord: 91-108 (36.9 - 43.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
    ThickFatAzumarill's Hippowdon (open)
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    Hippowdon @ Sitrus Berry
    Ability: Sand Stream
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
    Impish Nature
    - Stealth Rock
    - Earthquake
    - Slack Off / Whirlwind / Rock Tomb
    - Yawn

    Well, how about that? Hippo can come in on most variants (Yes, Grass Knot is sometimes a thing on Nihilego) and set up rocks or Yawn something, the usual stuff.
    calcs (open)
    252 SpA Nihilego Power Gem vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Hippowdon: 43-51 (20 - 23.7%) -- possible 6HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery
    252 SpA Nihilego Sludge Wave vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Hippowdon: 51-61 (23.7 - 28.3%) -- possible 5HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery
    252 SpA Nihilego Hidden Power Ice vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Hippowdon: 88-104 (40.9 - 48.3%) -- 99.2% chance to 3HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery
    252 SpA Nihilego Grass Knot (120 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Hippowdon: 174-206 (80.9 - 95.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery

    0 Atk Hippowdon Earthquake vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Nihilego: 444-528 (240 - 285.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
    greilmercenary9's Excadrill (open)
    Excadrill @ Choice Scarf
    Ability: Mold Breaker
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Jolly Nature
    - Earthquake
    - Iron Head
    - Rock Slide
    - Horn Drill

    Scarf Excadrill is a fine threat in its own right in the metagame right now, and it handles Nihilego quite effectively. It 4x resists or is immune to Nihilego's STABs, 4x resists rocks if Nihilego sets them up, and is only beaten by a Scarf/Sash (intact) Nihilego using HP Fire (which just manages to guarantee the 2HKO) on the switch, which is uncommon.

    Offensive Calcs:
    252 Atk Mold Breaker Excadrill Earthquake vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Nihilego: 628-744 (339.4 - 402.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
    252 Atk Mold Breaker Excadrill Iron Head vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Nihilego: 254-300 (137.2 - 162.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

    Defensive Calcs:
    252 SpA Nihilego Hidden Power Fire vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Excadrill: 96-114 (51.6 - 61.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
    252 SpA Nihilego Hidden Power Ice vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Excadrill: 48-57 (25.8 - 30.6%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
    252 SpA Nihilego Power Gem vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Excadrill: 24-28 (12.9 - 15%) -- possible 7HKO

    More generally, Scarf Excadrill is fairly splashable in this meta as it does well against many of the top 15-20.
    Vif-Argent's Garchomp (open)

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    Garchomp @ Choice Scarf
    Ability: Rough Skin
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Jolly Nature
    - Earthquake
    - Outrage
    - Rock Slide / Stone Edge
    - Poison Jab / Fire Fang

    I submit again ScarfChomp. You submit this f****** Nihilego several times so shut up and take my Chomp to beat Lego. This thing is pretty efficient against a lot of threats and is easily fit in a lot of teams. Let's see versus Nihilego.

    Offensive calcs

    252 Atk Garchomp Earthquake vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Nihilego: 612-724 (330.8 - 391.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
    252 Atk Garchomp Outrage vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Nihilego: 184-217 (99.4 - 117.2%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO

    Defensive calcs
    VS Scarf/Sash Nihilego
    Here the 4 EVs moved from HP to SpD are more than useful
    252 SpA Nihilego Hidden Power Ice vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Garchomp: 156-184 (85.2 - 100.5%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
    252 SpA Nihilego Hidden Power Ice vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Garchomp: 156-188 (84.7 - 102.1%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO
    252 SpA Nihilego Power Gem vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Garchomp: 38-45 (20.7 - 24.5%) -- guaranteed 5HKO
    252 SpA Nihilego Sludge Wave vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Garchomp: 45-54 (24.5 - 29.5%) -- 99.8% chance to 4HKO

    VS NihiLO
    252 SpA Life Orb Nihilego Hidden Power Ice vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Garchomp: 203-239 (110.9 - 130.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
    252 SpA Life Orb Nihilego Power Gem vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Garchomp: 49-58 (26.7 - 31.6%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
    252 SpA Life Orb Nihilego Sludge Wave vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Garchomp: 58-70 (31.6 - 38.2%) -- 91.9% chance to 3HKO

    ScarfChomp can take a hit from ScarfLego and retaliate with EQ. Without Scarf, Nihilego lost the fact that it outspeeds Garchomp. So NihiLO is easily OHKO, and the Sash Nihilego can hit one time ScarfChomp but has the same power than the Scarf version.
    Corrin's Swampert (open)

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    Swampert @ Rindo Berry
    Ability: Torrent
    EVs: 252 HP / 124 Def / 132 SpD
    Careful ( or Calm if you go with Scald ) Nature
    - Earthquake / Scald
    - Mirror Coat
    - Yawn / Roar
    - Stealth Rock

    This set is more on the gimmicky side of things but I've had success with it back in season3. Besides winning a direct match-up against Nihilego 100% of the times, this set was specifically designed to also deal with stuff that might counter-lead your Swampert like Serperior ( unboosted ) and Mega-Charizard Y by OHKO'ing them with Mirror Coat (248 SpA Life Orb Serperior Leaf Storm vs. 252 HP / 132+ SpD Rindo Berry Swampert: 174-205 (84 - 99%) -- guaranteed 2HKO,
    252+ SpA Mega Charizard Y Solar Beam vs. 252 HP / 132+ SpD Rindo Berry Swampert: 152-180 (73.4 - 86.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
    ). I dumped the remaining EVs into Def for better bulk overall.
    The Squash's Magnezone (open)

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    Money Magnet (Magnezone) @ Assault Vest
    Ability: Analytic
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
    Modest Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Thunderbolt
    - Flash Cannon
    - Hidden Power [Ice]
    - Volt Switch

    AV Magenzone can beat Nihilego easily, tanking hits like a champ and getting a clean 2HKO back. The only thing our attractive friend (get it? cause it's a magnet) has to worry about is the rare HP Fire (and HP Ground I guess, but who runs that?)
    Defensive Calcs
    +1 252 SpA Nihilego Power Gem vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Magnezone: 36-43 (20.3 - 24.2%) -- guaranteed 5HKO
    +1 252 SpA Nihilego Hidden Power Ice vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Magnezone: 18-22 (10.1 - 12.4%) -- possible 9HKO
    +1 252 SpA Nihilego Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Magnezone: 27-32 (15.2 - 18%) -- possible 6HKO
    252 SpA Nihilego Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Magnezone: 50-60 (28.2 - 33.8%) -- 0.2% chance to 3HKO
    +1 252 SpA Nihilego Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Magnezone: 74-88 (41.8 - 49.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
    Offensive Calc
    252+ SpA Analytic Magnezone Flash Cannon vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Nihilego: 156-186 (84.3 - 100.5%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
    Leader Wallace's Latias (open)

    Latias @ Soul Dew
    Ability: Levitate
    EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    - Draco Meteor
    - Psyshock
    - Healing Wish
    - Recover/Shadowball/HP Fire/Thunderbolt
    Faster, and can ohko it with psyshock. Its only 3hkoed by all its attacks without LO, but if its LO, you win because you are faster.
    Calcs:
    252 SpA Soul Dew Latias Psyshock vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Nihilego: 264-312 (142.7 - 168.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
    252 SpA Nihilego Sludge Bomb vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Latias: 61-73 (39.3 - 47%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
    252 SpA Nihilego Hidden Power Ice vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Latias: 56-66 (36.1 - 42.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
    252 SpA Nihilego Power Gem vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Latias: 55-66 (35.4 - 42.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
    Edit:
    Sludge Wave calcs: 252 SpA Nihilego Sludge Wave vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Latias: 64-76 (41.2 - 49%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
    Moose And Goose's Porygon2 (open)
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    (Wood duck ^-^)
    Porygon2 @ Eviolite
    Ability: Download
    Level: 50
    EVs: 244 HP / 12 Def / 4 SpA / 244 SpD / 4 Spe
    Calm Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Recover
    - Ice Beam
    - Thunderbolt / Foul Play
    - Trick Room

    Are you ready to witness the most frightening matchup in all of the Battle Spot metagame!?! In the 1st corner we have the premier defensive duck, Porygon2! And in the 2nd corner we have the Tapu Killer itself: Nihilego! They will be fighting in a 1v1 cage match up to the death! While our esteemed duck hero may not pack a punch, he can sure take 'em like a champ! While Nihilego desperately attempts to get a critical sludge wave that also poisons Porygon2 twice in a row at +1 special move boost our dynamic duck sets up Hell in a Cell which renders the speedy demon's speed no more than useless. One can always suggest to the duck to bring in some nasty tactics into the fight: Foul Play could be used over thunderbolt if you need a better check to other daunting opponents (physical attackers). In the End Nihilego stands no chance, and Porygon2 gets heavyweight champion!!!

    Offensive Calcs:
    4 SpA Porygon2 Ice Beam vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Nihilego: 29-35 (15.6 - 18.9%) -- possible 6HKO [Thunderbolt does same dmg]
    0- Atk Porygon2 Foul Play vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Nihilego: 35-42 (18.9 - 22.7%) -- possible 5HKO
    Defensive Calcs:
    +2 252 SpA Nihilego Sludge Wave vs. 244 HP / 244+ SpD Eviolite Porygon2: 81-96 (42.4 - 50.2%) -- 0.4% chance to 2HKO
    +1 252 SpA Nihilego Sludge Wave vs. 244 HP / 244+ SpD Eviolite Porygon2: 60-72 (31.4 - 37.6%) -- 86% chance to 3HKO
    +1 252 SpA Nihilego Power Gem vs. 244 HP / 244+ SpD Eviolite Porygon2: 51-61 (26.7 - 31.9%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
    (I swear I didn't mean to make this initially it just happened)
    Edit: Make sure to read this like a WWE announcer would
    average fella's Mega-Lucario (open)
    NICE OF THE PRINCESS TO INVITE US OVER FOR A BATTLE EH LUCARIO (open)
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    Lucario-Mega @ Lucarionite
    Ability: Justified
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
    Hasty Nature
    - Close Combat
    - Bullet Punch
    - Flash Cannon
    - Substitute

    This being a soft counter to Nihilego just hammers in the point that any steel without a 4x weakness will basically eat Nihilego up. Lucario's bulk is awful, so awful that it can't run Naive like it usually does so as to avoid a potential one-shot from life orb hp fire, yet it still manages to counter Nihilego at least once, and even that's assuming the nihilego predicts correctly.

    Life Orb is used for most defensive calcs since it's the only relevant power boosting item nihilego uses that luke cares about, really as soon as it attacks or lays rocks it suddenly becomes SUPER telegraphed. If it takes LO recoil or it didn't and it used an ineffective move on you, you can CC, if it doesn't take recoil and it used a good move on you, just BP; it's not worth risking critting. If it lays rocks, you might even want to be cheeky and lay one substitute to see if you can profit off of free turns from ineffective stabs.

    Anyway, calcs:

    Defensive:252 SpA Life Orb Nihilego Hidden Power Fire vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Lucario-Mega: 117-140 (80.6 - 96.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO252 SpA Nihilego Power Gem vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Lucario-Mega: 22-27 (15.1 - 18.6%) -- possible 6HKO (never pops sub, hp ice has the exact same calc!)
    252 SpA Life Orb Nihilego Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Lucario-Mega: 88-104 (60.6 - 71.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO (both lo and scarf can two-shot, tbolt is a good move for it to get locked into to force you to bp but it will require the nihilego user to counter a lucario that's forced to bp turn 1, then predict right again; a battle you're likely to win)

    Offensive:252 Atk Adaptability Lucario-Mega Bullet Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Nihilego: 180-212 (97.8 - 115.2%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO relatively easy, possible but not likely it lives one
    252 Atk Adaptability Lucario-Mega Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Nihilego: 266-314 (144.5 - 170.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO even easier
    4 SpA Adaptability Lucario-Mega Flash Cannon vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Nihilego: 132-156 (71.7 - 84.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO don't use this against nihilego unless youre predicting lele to come in
    dogknees' Nihilego (open)
    Whilst collating all the submissions, I realised that nobody had submitted Nihilego to beat Nihilego yet! Doesn't feel like Victim of the Week without a Nihilego submission somewhere tbh...

    Nihilego @ Choice Scarf
    Ability: Beast Boost
    Level: 50
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Psyshock
    - Power Gem
    - Sludge Wave
    - Hidden Power Ice

    Psyshock is obviously key here.
    252 SpA Nihilego Power Gem vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Nihilego: 54-64 (29.1 - 34.5%) -- 6% chance to 3HKO <-- The worst they can do to you
    252 SpA Nihilego Psyshock vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Nihilego: 162-192 (87.5 - 103.7%) -- 25% chance to OHKO <-- The damage you can do to them
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  2. chemcoop

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    Voting for Hulino's Mega Metagross. Takes next to nothing from any of Nihilego's common moves, and can OHKO back with 4 common moves. Nihilego is basically fodder for you to get in Metagross, mega evolve, and start dishing out huge damage.
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  3. greilmercenary9

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    Voting for Hula's Mega Metagross. Nihilego tends to just be a liability if the opponent brings Mega Metagross as it tends to be a total momentum stopper for most anything Nihilego does.
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  4. Kanon90

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    Chemcoop summarized it perfectly , Nihilego gives MegaGross the space it needs to wreck havoc hence the my vote goes to Hulavuta's poke.
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  5. Feesh Squad

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    I will vote for Hula's Mega Metagross. To put it frankly, Mega Metagross's excellent typing and bulk makes it a fantastic check/counter to Nihilego and, unlike my boy Bronzong, is rather splashable, fitting on many types of offensive teams.
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  6. Moose And Goose

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    If we are being honest with ourselves Mega Metagross is easily the best counter.
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  7. Fischgrat

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    welp, Metagross is just too good here.
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  8. Vif-Argent

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    Finally a good reason to use Hulavuta's Mega-Metagross
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  9. The Squash

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    Voting for Hula's Mega Metagross. This thing beats Nihilego with ease and doesn't take much damage while doing it.
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  10. Psychobuzz

    Psychobuzz I COULD BE BANNED!

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    Hulavuta's Mega-Metagross

    Nihilego is easily wrecked by this thing. Even a Metang can take it down no problem.

    Speaking of MegaGross, can I nominate it as VotW for next week? 700 Base Power is scary in BSS.
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  11. average fella

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    Really want to be nonconformist and pick smth that only loses to meme coverage like av analytic mag, but really Hulino's M-Metagross has still got to be it. It's just so ridiculously good against anything Nihilego can do.
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  12. GateCreeper

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    Hula's Mega Metagross definitely gets my vote. Nihilego may as well cry in a corner if it has to face it. Not to mention that if Nihilego has to switch out, the switch in is likely taking some heavy damage in return.
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  13. cant say

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    I would vote for Metagross but
    Hulavuta didn't provide a moveset so I don't know what I'd be voting for >:(

    So instead I'm voting for average fella's Mega Lucario. I prefer a boosting set so you can take advantage of the switch but Sub is cool too. I would have voted for Wobbuffet but Custap Berry isn't available yet and Sitrus sucks in comparison :(
  14. Hulavuta

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    OOPS lol.

    Okay, fixed that. If people don't like this set they can change their vote I guess.

    voting for average fella as well, for the memes and the fact that Lucario, much like Metagross, can gain momentum for itself and even set up to sweep on it (even though he posted Substitute rather than Nasty Plot or Swords Dance but whatever).

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    thanks to vif-argent for notifying me, cant say, to this rule-breaking double-post
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  15. cant say

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    This guy thinks he can do whatever he wants END THE TYRANNY
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    He double posts too :-P
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  18. ThickFatAzumarill

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    Hula is a stinky cheater, so my vote goes for Chemcoop's Aegislash.

    Aegi can also shift the momentum in its favor just by switching into this glass jellyfish, and even though I personally prefer Z-Moves on Aegi, WP is still a very powerful choice.
  19. surgical_tubing

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    My first instinct is always to go for Excadrill, but some of Nihilego's top teamates include Celesteela, Salamence, and Ferrothorn. The scarf set will have a hard time threatening both Nihilego and the switch in. Voting for Hulavuta because Metagross handles the Nihilego, and has options for taking on the likely switches.
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  20. dogknees

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    Congratulations to Hulavuta for winning VoTW 17 (Nihilego) with your submission of Mega Metagross! Your post will be logged into the archive.
    Victim of the week #18 - Landorus-Therian
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    Defensive Stealth Rock, Offensive Choice Scarf, Assault Vest, Swords Dance, Rock Polish, Choice Band, Rocky Helmet, Flynium Z, Groundium Z. Just a few of the plethora of things which Landorus-Therian can do for your team. Providing both solid offensive and defensive glue for your team, Landorus can fulfill many roles in one easy to fit slot. Currently sitting in the #4 spot for usage, it's not surprise that Landorus-Therian is becoming a more popular choice amongst top Japanese teams given the sheer amount of versatility and support it can provide. So, How do you stop Landorus-Therian?

    Submissions are open and will be closed in four days from now. Best of luck everyone!
  21. Corrin

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    Porygon2 @ Eviolite
    Ability: Download
    EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA / 4 SpD
    Bold Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Ice Beam
    - Foul Play / Toxic / Trick Room
    - Recover
    - Thunderbolt / Shadow Ball

    Switchin2win. Landorus-T is quite literally a free switch-in for P2 to come in and do whatever it wants, except if it's some really nasty SD + Groundium-Z Earthquake set and you switch in as Lando Sword Dances, but lets be real: that aint ever really happening. Now, the fun thing about P2 is that besides being a blank check to a bunch of stuff it is also easily tailored to fit your needs and glue your team together thanks to a wide arsenal of utility moves like T-Wave, Toxic and Trick Room. A great pick for those moments when you ask yourself: "uh, what else?"—this guy is most likely the answer.
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  22. ThickFatAzumarill

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    Edgy Ninja Frog (Greninja) @ Focus Sash
    Ability: Protean
    Level: 50
    EVs: 20 Atk / 236 SpA / 252 Spe
    Naive Nature
    - Gunk Shot
    - Dark Pulse / HP Fire
    - Ice Beam
    - Water Shuriken / Rock Slide

    Amazing offensive check to Lando. Beats any variant 1v1. The only move you need in this case is Ice Beam, and Greninja can choose its moves based on its teammates, so the slashes could go on and on...

    Calcs (open)

    vs. Offensive variants
    236 SpA Protean Greninja Ice Beam vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-T: 312-372 (189 - 225.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
    236 SpA Greninja Water Shuriken (3 hits) vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-T: 90-108 (54.5 - 65.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

    vs. Physically Defensive variants
    236 SpA Protean Greninja Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-T: 312-372 (159.1 - 189.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
    236 SpA Greninja Water Shuriken (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-T: 90-108 (45.9 - 55.1%) -- approx. 12.1% chance to 2HKO

    vs. Specially Defensive variants
    236 SpA Protean Greninja Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Landorus-T: 216-256 (110.2 - 130.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
    236 SpA Greninja Water Shuriken (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Landorus-T: 54-72 (27.5 - 36.7%) -- approx. 1.1% chance to 3HKO

    vs. AV
    236 SpA Protean Greninja Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Landorus-T: 208-252 (106.1 - 128.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
    236 SpA Greninja Water Shuriken (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Landorus-T: 54-72 (27.5 - 36.7%) -- approx. 1.1% chance to 3HKO

    vs. You'll never see this set in your life
    236 SpA Protean Greninja Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Landorus-T: 144-172 (73.4 - 87.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
    236 SpA Greninja Water Shuriken (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Landorus-T: 42-54 (21.4 - 27.5%) -- approx. 0.1% chance to 4HKO
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    Weavile @ Focus Sash
    Ability: Pressure
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Jolly Nature
    - Ice Shard
    - Icicle Crash
    - Knock Off
    - Low Kick

    Should always win in 1 v 1 scenario. Ice shard is useful for revenge killing against Rock Polish and Choice Scarf.

    Damage Calcs: -1 252 Atk Life Orb Weavile Icicle Crash vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Landorus-Therian: 265-312 (161.5 - 190.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
    -1 252 Atk Weavile Icicle Crash vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Landorus-Therian: 204-240 (124.3 - 146.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
    252 Atk Weavile Ice Shard vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Landorus-Therian: 144-172 (87.8 - 104.8%) -- 25% chance to OHKO
    252 Atk Life Orb Weavile Icicle Crash vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Landorus-Therian: 395-468 (240.8 - 285.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
    252 Atk Life Orb Weavile Ice Shard vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Landorus-Therian: 187-224 (114 - 136.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
    -1 252 Atk Life Orb Weavile Ice Shard vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Landorus-Therian: 130-156 (79.2 - 95.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
    -1 252 Atk Weavile Ice Shard vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Landorus-Therian: 100-120 (60.9 - 73.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
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  24. Vif-Argent

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    At first glance, before Corrin posts it, I've naturally thinking about P2 as a check. But we're at a fun place so goodbye classics and welcome uncommon stuff.

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    Cresselia @ Rocky Helmet / Sitrus Berry / Wiki Berry
    Ability: Levitate
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
    Bold Nature
    - Ice Beam
    - Moonlight
    - Psychic / Lunar Dance
    - Lunar Dance / TWave / Trick Room / Toxic

    Offensive calcs
    0 SpA Cresselia Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-T: 132-156 (67.3 - 79.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
    0 SpA Cresselia Ice Beam vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-T: 132-156 (80 - 94.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
    0 SpA Cresselia Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Landorus-T: 88-108 (44.8 - 55.1%) -- 60.2% chance to 2HKO

    Defensive calcs
    Landorus-T Earthquake vs. Levitate Cresselia: 0-0 (0 - 0%) -- lololololololololol
    252+ Atk Landorus-T U-turn vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Cresselia: 62-74 (27.3 - 32.5%) -- 55.2% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
    252+ Atk Choice Band Landorus-T U-turn vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Cresselia: 90-108 (39.6 - 47.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
    252+ Atk Landorus-T Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Cresselia: 84-100 (37 - 44%) -- 99.8% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
    252+ Atk Landorus-T Supersonic Skystrike (175 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Cresselia: 114-135 (50.2 - 59.4%)

    I prefer P2 overall but Cres is very relevant against Lando-T and can offer a free switch to a teammate with Lunar Dance.
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  25. GateCreeper

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    Today feels like a memey day for me, so...

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    Chesnaught @ Leftovers / Rocky Helmet
    Ability: Bulletproof
    Level: 50
    Shiny: Yes
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
    Impish Nature
    - Leech Seed
    - Spiky Shield
    - Drain Punch
    - Wood Hammer / Seed Bomb

    Can't touch this. Z-Fly is the only way Lando-T is hurting this thing hard with. However, Chesnaught easily counters every other set it has to offer. Spread your seeds, use your shield, and watch Lando-T's life force be drained slowly while occasionally whacking it with a hammer or bombing it with more seeds. Chesnaught isn't exactly real dead weight against teams without Lando-T on it either. It has fairly good matchups against other common Ground types like Hippowdon and Excadrill (Does really well against Ttar + Exca), Mega Gyarados, Mega Kangaskhan, Mega Swampert (not too sure if that's a real threat in singles yet, time will tell) and hard counters Breloom. Uh... that's about it. Cries and whines when up against everything else.

    Calcs (open)

    Defensive

    252+ Atk Landorus-T Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Chesnaught: 32-38 (16.4 - 19.4%) -- possible 6HKO
    252+ Atk Landorus-T U-turn vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Chesnaught: 30-36 (15.3 - 18.4%) -- possible 6HKO
    252+ Atk Landorus-T Superpower vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Chesnaught: 51-61 (26.1 - 31.2%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
    252+ Atk Choice Band Landorus-T Superpower vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Chesnaught: 77-91 (39.4 - 46.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
    252+ Atk Landorus-T Supersonic Skystrike (175 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Chesnaught: 448-532 (229.7 - 272.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO (The meme slayer FeelsBadMan)

    Offensive

    -1 0 Atk Chesnaught Wood Hammer vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Landorus-T: 42-49 (21.4 - 25%) -- Miniscule chance to 4HKO
    0 Atk Chesnaught Wood Hammer vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Landorus-T: 61-73 (31.1 - 37.2%) -- 84.4% chance to 3HKO
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