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Project Victim Of The Week [VoTW #29 - Mega Charizard Y]

Discussion in 'Battle Spot' started by ThickFatAzumarill, Aug 12, 2017.

  1. ThickFatAzumarill

    ThickFatAzumarill

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    SM Battle Spot Singles Victim Of The Week

    [ Approved by cant say]

    Throughout generations, we've witnessed significant changes in the metagame through the exponential rise and fall of threatening Pokemon. Despite this, there have and always will be certain Pokemon which dominate and stand out above the rest. Whether these threats are offensive or defensive, every player should have an idea of how to deal with said threats. That's where you guys come in!

    The purpose behind Victim Of The Week is to take a top tier threat and flip it on its head with a Pokemon that can either check or counter it. With this, we can all share our own way of dealing with said threat and gain broader, more sophisticated knowledge of how to deal with these Pokemon.

    Procedure:
    • Every round, I will nominate a Pokemon for discussion. You guys will then discuss and nominate various Pokemon that you believe can either check or counter the designated threat, with a clear explanation of how exactly they do that
    • Each Victim Of The Week will consist of four days for posting nominations and three days for voting. The new Victim Of The Week will be announced on the same day as the previous week's winner
    • After the deadline, there are three days where everyone can vote on which set they think is best. Bandwagon votes are illegal and will result in your vote being void. Your vote must also be written in bold
    • Once the results are in, the winner's set will be archived and the next Victim Of The Week will be announced
    Rules:
    • Your nomination must include an importable set
    • When nominating your Pokemon, include how it can check / counter the Victim Of The Week, how it works, and how effective it is in the Battle Spot metagame. Damage calcs are especially useful for helping back up your nomination (although are not compulsory). You can find the damage calculator here
    • Your Pokemon must hold some sort of viability in the metagame. Niche Pokemon are perfectly fine, but don't go with Pokemon hold minuscule viability like Shedinja and Electivire. The viability rankings are your best friend and will give you a great guideline of what kind of Pokemon you should be looking at (but also feel free to be creative and stem away from this if you're feeling saucy)
    • Respect other player's nominations. You may not agree with what they say, but in the end it is their nomination. Feel free to leave opinions, but don't be rude about it
    • Your check / counter must abide by the following definitions;
    Pokémon A checks Pokémon B if, when Pokémon A is given a free switch into Pokémon B, Pokémon A can win every time, even under the worst case scenario, without factoring in hax.

    Pokémon A counters Pokémon B if Pokémon A can manually switch into Pokémon B and still win every time, even under the worst case scenario, without factoring in hax.

    • There is to be strictly no modification of your nomination after the four-day deadline. Changes in votes are allowed, but must be done within the three day deadline and as follows;
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    Voting for cant say ThickFatAzumarill
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  2. ThickFatAzumarill

    ThickFatAzumarill

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    Archive - Past Victim of the Week Winners

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    Week 1
    [​IMG]Mimikyu[​IMG]
    [​IMG]Corrin - Excadrill[​IMG]
    ___________________________________

    Week 2
    [​IMG] Celesteela [​IMG]
    [​IMG]I dont care - Mega Charizard-Y[​IMG]
    ___________________________________

    Week 3
    [​IMG]Mega-Kangaskhan[​IMG]

    [​IMG]Solerme - Jellicent[​IMG]
    ___________________________________

    Week 4
    [​IMG]Tapu Lele[​IMG]

    [​IMG]Jhon - Bronzong[​IMG]
    ___________________________________

    Week 5
    [​IMG]Excadrill[​IMG]
    [​IMG]I dont care - Celesteela[​IMG]
    [​IMG]3heartschall - Landorus-Therian[​IMG]
    ___________________________________

    Week 6
    [​IMG]Volcarona[​IMG]

    [​IMG]NOVED - Garchomp[​IMG]
    ___________________________________

    Week 7
    [​IMG]Mega-Salamence[​IMG]

    [​IMG]NOVED - Mamoswine[​IMG]
    ___________________________________

    Week 8
    [​IMG]Thundurus-Therian[​IMG]

    [​IMG]The Squash - Nihilego[​IMG]
    _______________________________

    Week 9

    [​IMG]Porgyon2[​IMG]
    [​IMG]ThickFatAzumarill - Aegislash[​IMG]

    _______________________________

    Week 10
    [​IMG]Tapu Koko[​IMG]

    [​IMG]Xen - Excadrill[​IMG]
    ___________________________________

    Week 11
    [​IMG]Tapu Fini[​IMG]

    [​IMG]Kanon90 - Mega-Venusaur[​IMG]
    ___________________________________

    Week 12
    [​IMG]Breloom[​IMG]

    [​IMG]Moose And Goose - Mega-Venusaur[​IMG]
    ___________________________________

    Week 13
    [​IMG]Mega-Gengar[​IMG]

    [​IMG]Solerme - Tyranitar[​IMG]
    ________________________________

    Week 14

    [​IMG]Mamoswine[​IMG]

    [​IMG]Rotom-Wash - Solerme[​IMG]
    ___________________________________

    Week 15
    [​IMG]Mega-Charizard X[​IMG]

    [​IMG]ThickFatAzumarill - Nihilego[​IMG]
    ________________________________

    Week 16
    [​IMG]Aegislash[​IMG]

    [​IMG]The Squash - Mega-Charizard Y[​IMG]
    ________________________________

    Week 17
    [​IMG]Nihilego[​IMG]
    [​IMG]Hulavuta - Mega-Metagross[​IMG]
    ________________________________

    Week 18
    [​IMG]Landorus-Therian[​IMG]

    [​IMG]Vif-Argent - Porygon2[​IMG]
    ________________________________

    Week 19
    [​IMG]Greninja[​IMG]

    [​IMG]Corrin - Porygon2[​IMG]
    ________________________________

    Week 20
    [​IMG]Glalie[​IMG]

    [​IMG]cant say - Mega-Gengar[​IMG]
    ________________________________

    Week 21
    [​IMG][​IMG]Blaziken / Mega-Blaziken[​IMG][​IMG]

    [​IMG]GateCreeper - Mega-Salamence[​IMG]
    [​IMG]Jhon - Latias[​IMG]
    ___________________________________
    Week 22
    [​IMG] Ferrothorn[​IMG]

    [​IMG]Solerme - Amoonguss[​IMG]
    ________________________________
    Week 23
    [​IMG]Mega-Metagross[​IMG]

    [​IMG]Feesh Squad - Mega-Scizor[​IMG]
    ________________________________
    Week 24

    [​IMG] Gliscor[​IMG]
    [​IMG] cant say - Mamoswine[​IMG]
    ________________________________
    Week 25
    [​IMG] Mega-Lucario[​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    cant say - Mega-Charizard-Y[​IMG]
    ________________________________
    Week 26
    [​IMG] [​IMG] Tyranitar / Mega-Tyranitar[​IMG] [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    The Squash - Tapu Bulu[​IMG]
    ________________________________
    Week 27
    [​IMG] Zygarde[​IMG]

    [​IMG] Theorymon - Mamoswine[​IMG]
    ________________________________
    Week 28
    [​IMG] Primarina[​IMG]

    [​IMG]
    marilli - Toxapex[​IMG]
    ________________________________

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  3. ThickFatAzumarill

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    Victim of the Week #28 - Primarina
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    We're reopening VoTW with a fresh start, and why not do it with one of the new Starter Pokemon of the generation? Primarina boasts a high Special Attack stat, coupled with a fantastic typing in Water/Fairy, and also a good moveset, with access to support moves such as Perish Song, Hidden Power and even Sing if you manage to hit your target. Not only that, it also has access to one of the strongest Z-Moves in Oceanic Operetta, which has incredible 195 BP. It may be slow, but that means that the Soloist Pokemon is a great Trick Room abuser.

    So, how do you deal with this mon?

    Submissions will be closed in 4 days from now. Good Luck!
    Last edited: Aug 12, 2017
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  4. PPB

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    Venusaur-Mega @ Venusaurite
    Ability: Thick Fat
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpD / 4 Spe
    Calm Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Giga Drain
    - Sludge Bomb
    - Synthesis
    - Leech Seed
    Just wanted to get it early. Moveset and EVs might not be final.
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  5. The Squash

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    Before I begin, shoutouts to dogknees for doing a great job running the old VoTW thread and to ThickFatAzumarill for starting a new one. Hopefully it will run just as long, if not longer than the original. You guys are the real MVPs!

    Now back to our regularly scheduled VoTW nomination.
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    SpanishInquisition (Blaziken) @ Grassium Z
    Ability: Speed Boost
    EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Modest Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Fire Blast
    - Focus Blast / Hidden Power [Ice]
    - Solar Beam
    - Protect

    Z-Solar Beam Blaze is the perfect Primarina lure, since no one expects it until it's too late. It scores a clean OHKO and leaves your opponent down a mon and thoroughly bamboozled. The only thing you have to worry about is Sash Prima and getting a low roll, but both of those can be mitigated if you pair our extra crispy friend with a stealth rocks user.

    252+ SpA Blaziken Bloom Doom (190 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Primarina: 186-220 (99.4 - 117.6%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO (Guaranteed OHKO if rocks are up)

    All in all, it makes a great lure and fits any team in need of a surprise Water-type check.
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  6. Feesh Squad

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    [​IMG]
    Breloom @ Focus Sash
    Ability: Technician
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Adamant Nature
    - Spore
    - Bullet Seed
    - Mach Punch
    - Rock Tomb

    Breloom easily threatens Primarina with a powerful STAB Technitian-boosted Bullet Seed, which breaks through Primarina's Focus Sash, or threatening to put it to sleep with Spore. Focus Sash allows Breloom to live any hit from full health.

    252+ Atk Technician Breloom Bullet Seed (2 hits) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Primarina: 180-216 (96.2 - 115.5%) -- approx. 87.5% chance to OHKO

    Breloom is fully capable of threatening other opponents such as Mimikyu and Charizard.
    Last edited: Aug 13, 2017
  7. Vif-Argent

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    [​IMG]
    Tapu Bulu @ Assault Vest
    Ability: Grassy Surge
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
    Adamant Nature
    - Horn Leech
    - Wood Hammer
    - Stone Edge
    - Superpower

    While M-Venusaur is a good counter to Fini, I think that Bulu is a better counter to Primarina considering her less physical side (I also say it because Venu has been picked before :-P ).
    I choose the AV set because of the high SpA stat of Primarina, its more staying power than the Bander set, and because Bulu doesn't need that extra power to beat the sirena.

    Offensive calcs

    252+ Atk Tapu Bulu Horn Leech vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Primarina in Grassy Terrain: 272-324 (145.4 - 173.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
    252+ Atk Tapu Bulu Wood Hammer vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Primarina in Grassy Terrain: 434-512 (232 - 273.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

    Defensive calcs

    VS Oceanic Operetta
    252+ SpA Primarina Hydro Vortex (175 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Tapu Bulu: 55-66 (31 - 37.2%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery
    252+ SpA Primarina Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Tapu Bulu: 78-92 (44 - 51.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery

    VS Specs
    252+ SpA Choice Specs Primarina Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Tapu Bulu: 91-108 (51.4 - 61%) -- 91% chance to 2HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery
    252+ SpA Choice Specs Primarina Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Tapu Bulu: 114-136 (64.4 - 76.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery

    Ice Beam can hurt Bulu hard, even with an AV, especially by the Specs Primarina. But Bulu outspeed Primarina so it can switch-in and take a hit before retaliate the next turn with a guaranteed OHKO. Also Horn Leech gives back HP so the % given by the damage calculator have to be balanced and reconsidered with the amount of HP that Bulu could win.
    Last edited: Aug 14, 2017 at 9:15 AM
  8. Fire Fist Ace

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    [​IMG]
    Ferrothorn @ Leftovers / Occa Berry
    Ability: Iron Barbs
    EVs: 252 HP / 88 Atk / 68 Def / 100 SpD
    IVs: 0 Spe
    Sassy Nature
    - Power Whip
    - Gyro Ball
    - Leech Seed
    - Protect / Stealth Rock / Spikes

    Want a Pokemon that can wall Primarina to hell and back, as well as check or counter many premier fat Water, Fairy, and Ground types of Battle Spot Singles? Well this Pokemon can prove to be a real THORN in their side as #12 in usage on the Singles ladder (this season so far).

    Ferrothorn can pretty much directly counter all variants of Primarina that don't carry HP Fire, and if you're afraid of Ferro dying easily to HP Fire, you can run Occa Berry depending on how dank you want your memes to be.

    This EV spread is tailored to kill 252 / 0 Primarina with Power Whip about 75% of the time, although you can kill it with 3 Gyro Balls if you're patient.

    Leftovers is your generic shiet item to put on Ferrothorn, although with the amount of crap potentially running weak-ass fire coverage on Battle Spot (like Greninja, Mawile, Celesteela, Tapu Lele, and Primarina), Occa Berry is a decent niche item to consider in your team building if you really want Ferro to survive.

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    252+ SpA Choice Specs Primarina Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 100+ SpD Occa Berry Ferrothorn: 82-98 (45.3 - 54.1%) -- 44.1% chance to 2HKO

    252+ SpA Primarina Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 100+ SpD Occa Berry Ferrothorn: 56-66 (30.9 - 36.4%) -- 50.6% chance to 3HKO

    252+ SpA Primarina Oceanic Operetta vs. 252 HP / 100+ SpD Ferrothorn: 66-78 (36.4 - 43%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

    252+ SpA Primarina Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 100+ SpD Ferrothorn: 41-49 (22.6 - 27%) -- 45.9% chance to 4HKO

    88 Atk Ferrothorn Power Whip vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Primarina: 180-212 (96.2 - 113.3%) -- 75% chance to OHKO

    88 Atk Ferrothorn Gyro Ball (90 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Primarina: 67-81 (35.8 - 43.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

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  9. Solerme

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    [​IMG] @ Assault Vest
    Ability: Technician
    Level: 50
    EVs: 12 HP / 4 Def / 228 SpA / 68 SpD / 196 Spe
    Modest Nature
    - Leaf Storm
    - Sludge Bomb
    - Hidden Power [Ice] / Hidden Power [Fire] / Hidden Power [Ground]
    - Shadow Ball / Extrasensoy / Magical Leaf

    Offensive:
    232+ SpA Roserade Leaf Storm vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Primarina: 204-242 (109 - 129.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

    Defensive:
    252+ SpA Primarina Sparkling Aria vs. 4 HP / 68 SpD Assault Vest Roserade: 25-30 (18.3 - 22%) -- possible 5HKO
    252+ SpA Primarina Moonblast vs. 4 HP / 68 SpD Assault Vest Roserade: 26-31 (19.1 - 22.7%) -- possible 5HKO
    252+ SpA Primarina Hidden Power Fire vs. 4 HP / 68 SpD Assault Vest Roserade: 44-54 (32.3 - 39.7%) -- 99.8% chance to 3HKO

    252+ SpA Primarina Hydro Vortex (175 BP) vs. 4 HP / 68 SpD Assault Vest Roserade: 48-57 (35.2 - 41.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO


    Speed hits 135. EVs are to always be 3hkod by Offensive mega gengar's Sludge Bomb
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    [​IMG]
    Toxapex walls Primarina completely, and Toxic stalls it out, which should be obvious.

    set and calcs (open)

    Toxapex @ Black Sludge
    Ability: Regenerator
    EVs: 252 HP / 244 Def / 12 SpD
    Bold Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Recover
    - Scald
    - Haze
    - Toxic

    252+ SpA Primarina Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 12 SpD Toxapex: 32-38 (20.3 - 24.2%) -- possible 6HKO after Black Sludge recovery
    252+ SpA Primarina Sparkling Aria vs. 252 HP / 12 SpD Toxapex: 30-36 (19.1 - 22.9%) -- possible 6HKO after Black Sludge recovery
    252+ SpA Primarina Oceanic Operetta vs. 252 HP / 12 SpD Toxapex: 66-78 (42 - 49.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Black Sludge recovery
    252+ SpA Life Orb Primarina Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 12 SpD Toxapex: 92-109 (30.2 - 35.8%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Black Sludge recovery


    This means that at full health, a Primarina that hits Sing and gets a 3 turn sleep still cannot KO Toxapex with 3 hits without a critical hit. However, Specs Primarina with Psychic can beat it. Psychic sees 9.6% use on Primarina, which is much lower than HP Fire usage.

    The reason why I chose Toxapex lies on the context of Primarina and Toxapex. When I played with sample teams with Primarina myself, it seemed to me that Primarina is mainly used as a part of a Trick Room mode with Trick Room Mimikyu or P2 and M-Mawile, or as part of a Fire / Water / Grass, commonly paired with Mimikyu or Blaziken or Zard X and Ferrothorn. Toxapex beats most of its common partners other than Landorus-T and Sub Mence which you should have something like a Skarm or Celesteela for, and they don't like switching on you in fear of Toxic or Scald burn. You are also most likely pairing this with Chansey which also makes Primarina's life harder.
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  11. ThickFatAzumarill

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    Submissions are now closed! There are to be no edits of your own Pokemon, nor are there to be any new submissions. A few quick things to note;
    • Voting will close on the 19/8 at 11:00pm GMT-3 (9:00pm EST), where the next Vitim Of The Week will also be announced
    • You can't vote for your own submission
    • You can only change your vote once, so think carefully before doing so
    • You can vote even if you haven't made a submission. It is expected that you vote if you did submit yourself, but not compulsory
    PBB's Mega Venusaur (open)

    Venusaur-Mega @ Venusaurite
    Ability: Thick Fat
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpD / 4 Spe
    Calm Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Giga Drain
    - Sludge Bomb
    - Synthesis
    - Leech Seed
    The Squash's Blaziken (open)

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    SpanishInquisition (Blaziken) @ Grassium Z
    Ability: Speed Boost
    EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Modest Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Fire Blast
    - Focus Blast / Hidden Power [Ice]
    - Solar Beam
    - Protect

    Z-Solar Beam Blaze is the perfect Primarina lure, since no one expects it until it's too late. It scores a clean OHKO and leaves your opponent down a mon and thoroughly bamboozled. The only thing you have to worry about is Sash Prima and getting a low roll, but both of those can be mitigated if you pair our extra crispy friend with a stealth rocks user.

    252+ SpA Blaziken Bloom Doom (190 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Primarina: 186-220 (99.4 - 117.6%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO (Guaranteed OHKO if rocks are up)

    All in all, it makes a great lure and fits any team in need of a surprise Water-type check.
    Feesh Squad's Breloom (open)

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    Breloom @ Focus Sash
    Ability: Technician
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Adamant Nature
    - Spore
    - Bullet Seed
    - Mach Punch
    - Rock Tomb

    Breloom easily threatens Primarina with a powerful STAB Technitian-boosted Bullet Seed, which breaks through Primarina's Focus Sash, or threatening to put it to sleep with Spore. Focus Sash allows Breloom to live any hit from full health.

    252+ Atk Technician Breloom Bullet Seed (2 hits) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Primarina: 180-216 (96.2 - 115.5%) -- approx. 87.5% chance to OHKO

    Breloom is fully capable of threatening other opponents such as Mimikyu and Charizard.
    Vif Argent's Tapu Bulu (open)

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    Tapu Bulu @ Assault Vest
    Ability: Grassy Surge
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
    Adamant Nature
    - Horn Leech
    - Wood Hammer
    - Stone Edge
    - Superpower

    While M-Venusaur is a good counter to Fini, I think that Bulu is a better counter to Primarina considering her less physical side (I also say it because Venu has been picked before :-P ).
    I choose the AV set because of the high SpA stat of Primarina, its more staying power than the Bander set, and because Bulu doesn't need that extra power to beat the sirena.

    Offensive calcs

    252+ Atk Tapu Bulu Horn Leech vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Primarina in Grassy Terrain: 272-324 (145.4 - 173.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
    252+ Atk Tapu Bulu Wood Hammer vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Primarina in Grassy Terrain: 434-512 (232 - 273.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

    Defensive calcs

    VS Oceanic Operetta
    252+ SpA Primarina Hydro Vortex (175 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Tapu Bulu: 55-66 (31 - 37.2%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery
    252+ SpA Primarina Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Tapu Bulu: 78-92 (44 - 51.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery

    VS Specs
    252+ SpA Choice Specs Primarina Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Tapu Bulu: 91-108 (51.4 - 61%) -- 91% chance to 2HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery
    252+ SpA Choice Specs Primarina Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Tapu Bulu: 114-136 (64.4 - 76.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery

    Ice Beam can hurt Bulu hard, even with an AV, especially by the Specs Primarina. But Bulu outspeed Primarina so it can switch-in and take a hit before retaliate the next turn with a guaranteed OHKO. Also Horn Leech gives back HP so the % given by the damage calculator have to be balanced and reconsidered with the amount of HP that Bulu could win.
    Fire Fist Ace's Ferrothorn (open)

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    Ferrothorn @ Leftovers / Occa Berry
    Ability: Iron Barbs
    EVs: 252 HP / 88 Atk / 68 Def / 100 SpD
    IVs: 0 Spe
    Sassy Nature
    - Power Whip
    - Gyro Ball
    - Leech Seed
    - Protect / Stealth Rock / Spikes

    Want a Pokemon that can wall Primarina to hell and back, as well as check or counter many premier fat Water, Fairy, and Ground types of Battle Spot Singles? Well this Pokemon can prove to be a real THORN in their side as #12 in usage on the Singles ladder (this season so far).

    Ferrothorn can pretty much directly counter all variants of Primarina that don't carry HP Fire, and if you're afraid of Ferro dying easily to HP Fire, you can run Occa Berry depending on how dank you want your memes to be.

    This EV spread is tailored to kill 252 / 0 Primarina with Power Whip about 75% of the time, although you can kill it with 3 Gyro Balls if you're patient.

    Leftovers is your generic shiet item to put on Ferrothorn, although with the amount of crap potentially running weak-ass fire coverage on Battle Spot (like Greninja, Mawile, Celesteela, Tapu Lele, and Primarina), Occa Berry is a decent niche item to consider in your team building if you really want Ferro to survive.

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    252+ SpA Choice Specs Primarina Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 100+ SpD Occa Berry Ferrothorn: 82-98 (45.3 - 54.1%) -- 44.1% chance to 2HKO

    252+ SpA Primarina Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 100+ SpD Occa Berry Ferrothorn: 56-66 (30.9 - 36.4%) -- 50.6% chance to 3HKO

    252+ SpA Primarina Oceanic Operetta vs. 252 HP / 100+ SpD Ferrothorn: 66-78 (36.4 - 43%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

    252+ SpA Primarina Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 100+ SpD Ferrothorn: 41-49 (22.6 - 27%) -- 45.9% chance to 4HKO

    88 Atk Ferrothorn Power Whip vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Primarina: 180-212 (96.2 - 113.3%) -- 75% chance to OHKO

    88 Atk Ferrothorn Gyro Ball (90 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Primarina: 67-81 (35.8 - 43.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

    Solerme's Roserade (open)

    [​IMG]@ Assault Vest
    Ability: Technician
    Level: 50
    EVs: 12 HP / 4 Def / 228 SpA / 68 SpD / 196 Spe
    Modest Nature
    - Leaf Storm
    - Sludge Bomb
    - Hidden Power [Ice] / Hidden Power [Fire] / Hidden Power [Ground]
    - Shadow Ball / Extrasensoy / Magical Leaf

    Offensive:
    232+ SpA Roserade Leaf Storm vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Primarina: 204-242 (109 - 129.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
    Defensive:
    252+ SpA Primarina Sparkling Aria vs. 4 HP / 68 SpD Assault Vest Roserade: 25-30 (18.3 - 22%) -- possible 5HKO
    252+ SpA Primarina Moonblast vs. 4 HP / 68 SpD Assault Vest Roserade: 26-31 (19.1 - 22.7%) -- possible 5HKO
    252+ SpA Primarina Hidden Power Fire vs. 4 HP / 68 SpD Assault Vest Roserade: 44-54 (32.3 - 39.7%) -- 99.8% chance to 3HKO

    252+ SpA Primarina Hydro Vortex (175 BP) vs. 4 HP / 68 SpD Assault Vest Roserade: 48-57 (35.2 - 41.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

    Speed hits 135. EVs are to always be 3hkod by Offensive mega gengar's Sludge Bomb
    marilli's Toxapex (open)

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    Toxapex walls Primarina completely, and Toxic stalls it out, which should be obvious.

    set and calcs (open)

    Toxapex @ Black Sludge
    Ability: Regenerator
    EVs: 252 HP / 244 Def / 12 SpD
    Bold Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Recover
    - Scald
    - Haze
    - Toxic

    252+ SpA Primarina Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 12 SpD Toxapex: 32-38 (20.3 - 24.2%) -- possible 6HKO after Black Sludge recovery
    252+ SpA Primarina Sparkling Aria vs. 252 HP / 12 SpD Toxapex: 30-36 (19.1 - 22.9%) -- possible 6HKO after Black Sludge recovery
    252+ SpA Primarina Oceanic Operetta vs. 252 HP / 12 SpD Toxapex: 66-78 (42 - 49.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Black Sludge recovery
    252+ SpA Life Orb Primarina Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 12 SpD Toxapex: 92-109 (30.2 - 35.8%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Black Sludge recovery


    This means that at full health, a Primarina that hits Sing and gets a 3 turn sleep still cannot KO Toxapex with 3 hits without a critical hit. However, Specs Primarina with Psychic can beat it. Psychic sees 9.6% use on Primarina, which is much lower than HP Fire usage.

    The reason why I chose Toxapex lies on the context of Primarina and Toxapex. When I played with sample teams with Primarina myself, it seemed to me that Primarina is mainly used as a part of a Trick Room mode with Trick Room Mimikyu or P2 and M-Mawile, or as part of a Fire / Water / Grass, commonly paired with Mimikyu or Blaziken or Zard X and Ferrothorn. Toxapex beats most of its common partners other than Landorus-T and Sub Mence which you should have something like a Skarm or Celesteela for, and they don't like switching on you in fear of Toxic or Scald burn. You are also most likely pairing this with Chansey which also makes Primarina's life harder.
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    Voting for Feesh Squad's Breloom. Breloom provides some useful utility with Spore and can pretty much always take out Primarina with Spore + Bullet Seed unless you get unlucky. It also can force switches, as everyone fears the dreaded spore, which can give you the edge in battle.
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    So, it seems like we got not so many votes this week, so I'll leave voting opened for a few more hours.
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    marilli's toxapex

    good mon
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    Marilli's Toxapex
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    Solerme's Roserade.

    It's just such a cool idea in theory. Gotta try it out sometime.
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    #7 Psychic 9.8712751582391%

    not really comfortable voting for pex here

    Bulu is best so vif argent
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    PPB's Mega-Venusaur
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    Congratulations marilli! Your submission will be logged in the Archive!
    Victim of the Week #29 - Mega Charizard Y

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    I'm surprised we didn't cover this one before. Mega Charizard Y is an incredibly powerful mon, and Drought makes it even more dangerous. Boasting an incredible 159 Special Attack stat, Charizard has the options to be a potent late-game sweeper or early game wallbreaker. Charizard's moveset may be a bit limited, but its STAB fire-moves in the sun already hit very hard, and it has access to the coverage it needs in Solar Beam, Focus Blast and Hidden Power(either Ice or Ground). So, how do you deal with this mon?

    Submissions are open and will be closed in 4 days from now. Good luck everyone!
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    [​IMG] @ Choice Scarf
    Ability: Beast Boost
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    - Sludge Wave
    - Power Gem
    - Hidden Power [Ice]
    - Thunderbolt / Mirror Coat / Stealth Rock

    Not only it's never 2hkod by CharYs moves, but it easily ohkos it and can set up rocks to threaten it.
    Also, with scarf, it outspeeds +1 charY

    Defensive Calcs:
    252 SpA Mega Charizard Y Focus Blast vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Nihilego: 63-75 (34 - 40.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
    252 SpA Mega Charizard Y Overheat vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Nihilego in Sun: 76-90 (41 - 48.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
    252 SpA Mega Charizard Y Flamethrower vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Nihilego in Sun: 54-63 (29.1 - 34%) -- 3.2% chance to 3HKO


    Offensive Calcs:
    252 SpA Nihilego Power Gem vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Mega Charizard Y: 240-288 (156.8 - 188.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
    252 SpA Nihilego Sludge Wave vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Mega Charizard Y: 72-85 (47 - 55.5%) -- 73.8% chance to 2HKO
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