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Victim of the Week: Week 6, Volcarona

Discussion in 'BW OU' started by Neliel, Jan 27, 2013.

  1. Neliel

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    Approved by Birkal and Harsha
    Credit to Delver for the idea

    Hi people, I'm Neliel and I'll be your host for this thread! You may have seen this project in the LC forum, and it works in a similar fashion. Every week, I will decide the Victim of the Week, and you guys have to discuss about which Pokemon, and what strategy, checks it better. It can be whatever you want, even customized sets to deal with the Pokemon, but if you do so remember to give proper explanation of it. Remember also that we should discuss all the possibilities this game offers to deal with a specific threat, so don't post always the same two to three Pokemon. The purpose of this thread is to help newer players learning how to face some dangerous Pokemon as well as having some discuss about new sets that may work in OU in order to counter a specific threat.

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    Volcarona
    85 Hp / 60 Atk / 65 Def / 135 Satk / 105 Spd / 100 Spe
    Abilities: Flame body, Swarm

    We all know why Volcarona is Ou; Quiver dance. This moth have the access to one of the best boosting move, being a special dragon dance with the bonus of the special defense. Volcarona seems perfect to use quiver dance, 100 base speed is not bad in this metagame, and 135 special atk its just awesome. Its stab are not bad either, fire and bug are good, but also the other coverage moves it has make make it even more threatening. The fact that under sun it has a 270 base power move with quiver dance, is enough to say how scary it can be. But if you want to use it under rain, you can do that too, since it also have the cool Hurricane to combine with bug buzz. If this want enough, in bw2 it got giga drain and roost, being able to bypass terrakion and keldeo easier, as well as being able to run defensive sets more efficently. You also have to face the fact that everytime you are using a dragon to counter it, it will have hidden power ice, and if you use Heatran it will have hp ground. So this is one of those counterless pokemon, but then why it isnt in every single team? the reason is its typing, that lets it take 50% from stealth rock. This is an huge let down for it, since stealth rock is almost in every team. Sometimes you dont even need to counter it, because the fact that there is sr up will garante you it wont sweep. ​



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    Jirachi
    100 Hp / 100 Atk / 100 Def / 100 Satk / 100 Spd / 100 Spe
    Ability: Serene Grace​

    The first pokemon we have to discuss is Jirachi. Jirachi is one of the most versatile pokemon in the OU metagame, being able to run a vast number of viable sets, like Calm Mind, Scarf, Defensive, and others. Its stats are very well balanced, and with its 100 / 100 / 100 defenses it can run defensive sets with success, also thanks to its great typing that gives it only two weaknesses and a lot of useful resistances. It also has some nice support moves like Wish, Healing Wish, Thunder Wave and Stealth Rock, that lets it shine even more. Offensively its not bad either, while 100 in every offensive stats seems bad, it can run Calm Mind sets to power up his special moves in order to attempt a sweep. He has no problem running a Scarf set, since it has one of the faster U-turn and along with the elemental punches and Iron Head it can hit a large portion of the metagame. Iron Head, in conjunction with Body Slam, is one of the most annoying move that you will ever face, since with its ability, serene grace, its flinching rate its very high. So, people, how do you deal with Jirachi? Is there any Pokemon able to beat every of its sets? If there aren't, which Pokemon can best combat all of its sets?


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    Breloom
    60 Hp / 130 Atk / 80 Def / 60 Satk / 60 Spd / 70 Spe
    Abilities: Effect spore, Poison heal, Technichan

    Breloom is one of those pokemon that even with bad stats overall, always shined since the beginning of Bw. Its poison heal's sets were already good, with sub focus punch being of the most threatening and annoying. Its immunity to status and Spore were one of the main reason of its success; like it wasnt enough breloom could also use Stun spore and leech seed to annoy the opponent even more. Then, bulk up breloom became one of the most common set, being able to sweep teams sometimes. Then, with bw2, breloom got one of the best ability it could ever get, technichan. This allow breloom to effectively use its priority mach punch and the boosted bullet seed to sweep teams with sword dance.
    Not everything is good about it by the way; its defensive stats makes it very fragile, since any supereffective move will almost kill it, its stab are not even the best, grass+fighting its walled by a lot of things, even though spore compensate its lack of coverage.
    So, what do you guys use to stop breloom?​


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    Landorus-t
    89 Hp / 145 Atk / 90 Def / 105 SpA / 80 Spd / 91 Spe
    Ability: Intimidate

    Landorus-t its a very dangerous pokemon if used correctly, thanks to its ability it can easily set up a rock polish or a sword dance depending or the situation. Its impressive attack lets it have one of the strongest earthquake in Ou, and thanks to move like Gravity or stone edge, even flying and levitate pokemon have to think twice before switching on it. While its speed its not stellar, its enough to outspeed the whole metagame after a rock polish, and enough to sweep a slow team with sword dance. Its weaknesses are common by the way, almost any water/ice attack will kill it. Other usefull moves are Explosion, that lets it do impressive damage in combination with normal gem, and u-turn that lets it continue the volturn strategy. Its special attack its not as bad as you may think, things like Starmie only has 100 base Spa and are really threatening, the problem with landorus-t is that its outclassed by its brother Landorus. So what do you use to stop Landorus-t?​


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    Starmie
    60 Hp / 75 Atk / 85 Def / 100 Satk / 85 Spd / 115 Spe
    Abilities: Natural cure, Analitic​

    Starmie is one of the few pokemon that was Ou in every generation since Rby; the reason of his success are not difficult to understand though. One of its strong point is its stellar speed, that lets it outspeed a large part of the metagame, often being outspeeded only by scarfed pokemon. Its special atk, while not excellent, its more than enough to open holes in the enemies teams, also thanks to its coverage that makes it very hard to counter. Hydro pump, Thunderbolt, Ice beam is an almost unresisted coverage, and for the few things that are supposed to check it starmie has some trick to beat them. It has to be noticed that in this generation starmie can be even more threatening than in the past, since almost nothing likes to take specs hydro pump under rain. Trick and psyshock deserves a mention, since they can be very usefull to get past some of his counters.
    Starmie is also known for his great rapid spin support, being one of the best spinners at the moment. Its typing its not stellar for a defensive pokemon, being very susceptile to the omnipresent Tyranitar, but its not that bad. Thats it, lets discuss of do you check starmie!


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    Venusaur
    80 Hp / 82 Atk / 83 Def / 100 Satk / 100 Spd / 80 Spe
    Ability: Chlorophyll

    Venusaur is one of the most threatening pokemon in this metagame, and for a good reason. While its stat may seem mediocre, with an 82 / 100 / 80 attacking stats, thanks to clorophill and growths this things became very annoying to face, providing there is sun up. Its stab are not the best offensively, poison and grass leave it open to a lot of things, but with differents hidden power it can cover anything. Since giga drain is legal with clorophill now, you cant even try to stall it with the life orb recoil. Venusaur has some trick to kill some of his counters, such as earthquake, and sleep powder that lets it have easier setup. It also has an annoying sub seed set which is difficult to deal with if you let it sub.​
  2. Shurtugal

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    Heatran stops every Jirachi set in the game. Even the CM set fears a roar to the face, and the sunny day set can laugh off Water Pulse day and night while firing STAB Sun'ed Fire Blasts. No contest.

    To a lesser extent, Ninetales is also a really solid check to every Jirachi set. It can't set up CM's either since roar and STAB flamethrower, while it can't Iron Head all day if it manages to Para since lefties should restore most of its health. Tale's SR weakness in general is probably why it isn't the best counter, as Jirachi has this move called U-turn.

    Gliscor is also a pretty solid check, if it isn't switching into any +1 Water Pulses. Offensive Gliscor should outspeed every Jirachi bar the scarf variant.

    Thundurus-T can set up all day on Jirachi as well imo. The only set that can actually hurt it is that CM set, and assuming water pulse never confuses ThundyT can beat it most of the time. I think ThundyT can even live Ice Punch from the scarf variant.
  3. LilOuOn

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    Oh wow! I like the idea of this thread. Well...im going to be the first one i think :]

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    Gliscor @ Toxic Orb
    Trait: Posion Heal
    Impish Nature
    252 HP / 184 Def / 72 Spe
    -Substitute
    -Protect
    -Earthquake
    -Toxic / Taunt / Ice Fang


    This bro has all what it is needed to counter Sub Para Jirachi. That set packs Substitute, Body Slam or Thunder Wave, Iron Head and Fire Punch. His main role is to paralyze the victim and start flinching like hell, if you are facing an steel type (named ferrothorn) go for the Fire Punch. Now, what can this do against Gliscor? Gliscor laughs at Jirachi's attempts to paralyze him (because of toxic orb), he doesn't fear iron head neither fire punch. Poison heal really helps him against Jirachi, recovering half the amount taken by an iron head, then protect and recover the other half. Just earthquake the tiny fairy and problem solved.

    252Atk Jirachi (Neutral) Iron Head vs 252HP/184Def Gliscor (+Def): 20% - 24% (72 - 85 HP).

    EDIT: thanks Shurt, now im not the first one :[
  4. Mr. Green

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    Hi, Neliel^^

    Interesting discussion, Jirachi is an extremely versatile Pokemon in OU metagame, in all his sets.
    A Pokemon that can block Jirachi in its moveset more used in the OU metagame ie Specially Defensive (with or without Stealth Rock), Calm Minder under rain, or even with Choice Scarf is Gastrodon, which with its type Ground / Water is able to do not take damage from Thunder which is heavily used by both Jirachi Calm Minder in the rain, both from the Specially Defensive also its ability Storm Drain allows him not even take damage from Water Pulse, thus increasing the special attack Gastrodon.
    As concern the moves of Choice Scarf Jirachi, or Iron Head, Ice Punch, Fire Punch and U-Turn Gastrodon the straps very well thanks to its type and investment in HP and defense.
    Gastrodon, can also kill Jirachi using Earthquake which is the STAB and being a move and no special physical completely ignores the increase of special defense of Jirachi by Calm Mind. Here is the moveset:
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    Gastrodon (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Storm Drain
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef
    Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
    - Earthquake
    - Recover
    - Scald
    - Ice Beam


    Investment in defense are used to collect the best Psychock also, that despite being a special move affects physical defense. Relaxed nature is obviously not to diminish the physical attack, that is the power of Earthquake.
  5. Satisfaction

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    Dugtrio can come in on the common thunder or calm mind and kill it with earthquake, it is unable however to compete with the scarf set, and it cannot switch in to iron head or ice punch, magnezone can tank pretty much everything jirachi has and can eventually ko with thunderbolt I wouldn't suggest zone though because its slower than jirachi and can simply u-turn out
  6. Dark Fallen Angel

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    Jirachi has problems with Ground-types in general, especially those that are physically bulky, as long as they aren't weak to Psyshock. They can generally shrug off Water Pulse, break its Substitute with Earthquake, and OHKO if Jirachi decides to stay.

    Although Quagsire is a niche Pokémon, it is peharps the best counter to Jirachi. It ignores all the CM boosts, shrug off hits from Specially Defensive and Scarf sets, and can OHKO with Earthquake. Unless Jirachi decides to run a Grass-type attack, she will always lose. However, Jirachi will not run a Grass-type attack because they offer poor coverage with her other moves.

    Generally, I don't need to pack a solid counter to Jirachi, not only because she has no solid counters apart from Quagsire, but because the counters really depend from the set that she is running. However, I have my own ways to counter or check Jirachi. I always pack a Ground-type for the reasons that I said above. Jirachi cannot tank Earthquakes, and unless she has a boost, she will never be able to defeat them with even a rain-boosted Water Pulse. For example, Landorus is my solid check to Jirachi, as it can come in on almost everything, except Body Slam, or Ice Punch from Scarf sets.

    So, guys, if you are having problems with Jirachi, just use Ground-type Pokémon; most of them are excellent checks to her.
  7. Organization Member XIV

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    Green, it should be noted that you have the wrong statistics for Relaxed Nature. You have it listed as +Special Defense, -Attack, when it should read +Defense, -Speed. As far as other counters though, Skarmory is good for dealing with any set lacking Thunder or Thunderpunch, as Skarmory, with its base 140 Defense it laughs at Body Slam and Iron Head. While Paralysis is annoying, Skarmory's base 70 Speed isn't exactly getting you anywhere. Remember, Skarmory is ONLY good in the case Jirachi is lacking Thunder or Thunderpunch, so be wary of the pixie if you see it on rain teams.

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    Skarmory@Leftovers
    Trait: Sturdy
    EVs: 252 HP, 232 Def, 24 Speed
    Impish Nature (+Defense, -Special Attack)
    Spikes
    Whirlwind
    Roost
    Brave Bird

    EV Investment is fairly explanatory, as you nearly maximize HP and bulk while having a little extra Speed. Generally you are going to just Whirlwind as you really can't do anything back, and can even start racking up hazards damage if you decide to set up Spikes.
  8. Neliel

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    Just saying shurt, but i have to say something about this. While its true that Lum berry Thundurus-t can set up nasty plot even against Sp def rachi, this can be said for a pletora of things, like, DD lum Dragonite for example. If you think about it a little, i would say that specially defensive jirachi can switch on Thundurus-t to try to paralize it with body slam rather than Thundurus-t forcing jirachi to switch/threatening a ko.
  9. Mr. Green

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    @Organization Member: Thanks! while I exported the moveset from PS, I put another mistake for nature and I just edited it, but without change statistics influenced, I corrected the message previous! :)
  10. mcdanger

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    Shurtugal and Dark Fallen Angel nailed it. Another answer is to jirachi is jellicent

    Jellicent@leftovers
    nature:bold (+defense, -attack)
    ability: water absorb
    evs: 252hp/216def/44speed
    -scald
    -recover
    -toxic
    -taunt
    Like skarmory, jellicent needs to be wary of thunder, tho thunder is a 3hko. Jellicent resist jirachis iron head and takes nothing from body slam, while threatening jirachi back with a scald burn. After that, jellicent can taunt and stall out jirachi from its burn damage.

    Landorus therian is another good answer to rachi, but like shurtugal said about raich, it cant switch into +1 water pulse, but he needs some speed investments to outpace bulky rachi
  11. TooMuchSugar

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    Ferrothorn is a great answer to paraflinch Jirachi, because every time Jirachi uses Iron Head, it takes more damage from Iron Barbs than Ferro does from the attack (I know this from experience with Jirachi, not Ferro). I haven't had to deal with CM Jirachi a lot, but I've heard that Politoed with Perish Song can stop it pretty effectively.
  12. Shurtugal

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    Neil,

    At +2, Thunder is a OHKO while thunderbolt is doing 87%. I think its safe to say that thundurus-T is exactly what I said: a check.
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    This is actually really good, as you are most likely running Gyro Ball on Ferro, which is powered up by the paralysis. You just have to be wary of Fire Punch, but yeah, other than that Ferro shuts down Rachi.
  14. Basileus

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    I would replace taunt with ice beam if you are planning to counter Jirachi. Jirachi is faster and a choice scarf trick could really mess Jellicent up. This has happen to me only once but it is best to prepare for everything, am I right? I suggest ice beam for type coverage. With the right predictions, a physically defensive jelly can take down even the toughest Salamance and Dragonite with an ice beam 2HKO. (I know we are roasting Jirachi right now but I feel a need to justify ice beam :)
  15. Frochtejohgurt

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    Hippowdon (M) @ Leftovers Trait: Sand Stream
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SDef
    Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
    - Stealth Rock
    - Slack Off
    - Earthquake
    - Whirlwind


    Hippo is one of the best if not the best Jirachi counter. It's immune to Thunder and doesn't fear paralysis from Body Slam as it's already slow. Iron Head is like a 8HKO so flinching it to death is near impossible. CM Jirachi can't do anything, because Water Pulse is to weak outside of rain(4 SpA Jirachi Water Pulse vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Hippowdon: 86-102 (20.47 - 24.28%) -- possible 6HKO) and all its other moves do even less damage. On the other side Hippo always 2HKO 252 HP Jirachi or can phaze it out. And in contray to Heatran it has reliable recovery, so can do its job over and over again without getting worn down.
  16. mcdanger

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    Ya ice beam can be run over taunt or toxic, depends on what you need jellicent to do. If anything, right now ice beam would be good for thunderus switch ins.

    @toomuchsugar: i think fire punch is a 2hko, if not from his bulky set, then the scarfed and mixed attacker.
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    To add my contribution:

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    Sableye @ Leftovers
    Trait: Prankster
    EVs: 248 HP / 124 Def / 136 SDef
    Calm Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Will-O-Wisp
    - Taunt
    - Recover
    - Foul Play

    This set is a cold hard stop to Specially Defensive Jirachi. It is immune to the Body Slam it commonly carries; it can Taunt it to stop Wish+Protect nonsense, Stealth Rock, or the rare Toxic; it Wisp-burns the Haxmaster to make its Iron Heads do nothing to it; it can Recover off any damage before Jirachi tries to do any flinch-stalling; using Foul Play, you can chip away at Jirachi 25.24 - 29.95% at a time. Sableye also can check Choice Scarf sets with a priority Burn; you just have to avoid Trick. If it happens to be in on a Sub+CM Jirachi, Foul Play does 23.01 - 26.98% at a time (or 20.04 - 23.76% if they were smart and cut their Attack IV's to 0 like people neglect to do). Taunt it to stop CM and Subs, Foul Play and break one, and immediately burn Jirachi to cripple its Sub-making the rest of the match.

    For SubCM, here are +0 calcs (honka):
    • Flash Cannon: 30.69 - 36.63%
    • Thunderbolt: 24.09 - 28.71%
    • Thunder: 30.69 - 36.3%
    • Water Pulse in rain: 23.43 - 27.72%

    And +1:
    • Flash Cannon: 45.87 - 54.45%
    • Thunderbolt: 36.3 - 42.9%
    • Thunder: 45.87 - 54.12%
    • Water Pulse in rain: 34.65 - 40.92%

    So Sableye is a counter to Specially Defensive, a great "check" to Scarf (it would be a "counter" if it weren't for switching into a Trick), and a very situational check to SubCM.

    I love this demon.
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    Neliel, two things before the rest of my post: I love you for making this topic, especially since the first one you chose Jirachi for the first victim. Second, oh my god change your title sig thing right now if people start using Timid Venusaur then my Scarf Latios is out of a job and I don't know how to deal with him.

    On to the festivities!

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    Magnezone @ Choice Specs
    Trait: Magnet Pull
    Modest Nature
    EVs: 200 HP / 252 SpA / 56 Spe
    Thunderbolt
    Volt Switch
    Hidden Power Fire
    Flash Cannon

    The only Jirachi that can escape is Calm Mind or a Jirachi with U-turn, assuming it's not Scarfed and has already picked an attack. Even paralyzed Magnezone has a good chance of taking Jirachi with it, as a single turn where Jirachi maybe goes for Wish or it doesn't get the paraflinch results in a quick 46%-54% of its HP disappearing, and without Drain Punch or Fire Punch Jirachi is giving Magnezone a long time to zap it.
  19. Basileus

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    I can't believe no-one has done this yet but Heatran is an amazing counter to Jirachi. Here is the one I use in my standard team:

    Heatran@air Balloon/leftovers

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    Ability: Flash fire
    Calm nature
    EV: 252HP, 240Spd, 18SpA
    --Stealth rocks
    --Will-O-wisp
    --Lava pulme
    --Earth Power

    Stealth rocks is because your Heatran isn't going to get any better chance to set up against any other Pokemon then Jirachi. Heatran can use either one of its attacks to kill Jirachi (95% chance OHKO) but I suggest Lava Pulme for stab unless there is a risk of your opponent switching into someone with flash fire. However, if they do swich into flash fire then just earth power that guy to another dimension. Anyway, Will-O-wisp is if you already have stealth rocks out, it makes for a great switching trap. Unless your opponent has flash fire, but again, earth power was made for this reason. Lastly, if your opponent thinks he can OHKO heatran with water pulse (which I almost never see) then they are wrong, you will have enough time to set up Heatran but not enough time to kill Jircahi so switch out next turn. If your opponent does not have water pulse and has so much balls that they don't switch out then Heatran will completely destroy Jirachi (assuming you aren't haxed 10 times in a row by iron head flinch). Heatran resists basically everything Jirach can throw at him and as long as it doesn't have trick then your opponent can say "good bye" to Jirachi!

    Conclusion: Heatran is really a trap for Jirachi, if your opponent sees it then they will almost positively switch out. This is why you always want to go for the set up first unless you are 100% sure that a lava plume won't backfire. I like to screw over fire types switching in with earth power. That is so much fun :D
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    Actually without Roar Heatran struggles against SubCM Jirachi under rain. After 2 Calm Minds Earth Power won't be breaking Jirachi's Subs, while Water Pulse deals massive damage to Heatran. Not exactly counter, but still a check, because Jirachi will lose quite some health before it reaches +2.
    Other than that the specially defensive and the Choice Scarf set are countered nicely by Heatran.
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    Heatran is pretty much a hard stop to all Rachis if it packs Roar. Jirachi fears the Lava Plume Burn because of Iron Head generally liking full power. Scarf Rachis are annoying though as they can just U-Turn out.
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    Ferrothorn @ Leftovers
    Trait: Iron Barbs
    Sassy Nature
    EVs: 252 HP / 192 Atk / 64 SpD
    - Gyro Ball / Power Whip
    - Bulldoze
    - Spikes / Stealth Rock
    - Leech Seed

    With the given EVs Ferrothorn always breaks 252 HP Jirachi's subs and so acts as a fullproof counter against both popular variants (SpD and SubCM). Bulldoze is also usefull to 2HKO Zone on a predicted switch, and to prevent him from setting up on you in general, and deals major damage to Heatran too, while also preventing Volcarona from getting any Speed boost in desperate situations. Everything else is pretty standard.
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    this is probably the best set to stop any jirachi, it only fears fire punch but you can easily weaken it with the rain, the only other move jirachi has that gives it problem is Trick, but even if tricked ferrothorn with leech seed+iron barbs can beat it. I would give a try to rocky helmet also instead of leftovers because the recoil it gets with an iron head its pretty high :3 other than that great set!

    Hum, first of all, i would have slashed thunder for thunderbolt, the main reasn is that calm mind jirachi is used mostly under rain, so you can do more damage to it. Also, since the set should be costumized to beat jirachi i would have used a timid nature and max speed, just to be sure to outspeed sp def rachi to avoid being flinched to death. However, i see this set probably losing against calm mind jirachi, maybe the sub charge beam can beat it? i guess its only a question of how many boost it gets from charge beam :/
  24. Frochtejohgurt

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    I would say it is only the second best counter right after specially defensive Hippowdon. As you said Jirachi can beat it with Fire Punch and Ferrothron is also very prone to being burned as it often has to switch in on the many Scald user in OU. SubCM Jirachi can set up easily on a burned Ferrothron. Hippowdon on the other hand doesn't fear anything from Jirachi not even super effective Water Pulse, which is pitiyfully weak outside of rain.



    Anyways, I have another submission:

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    Quagsire (F) @ Leftovers Trait: Unaware
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SDef
    Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
    - Earthquake
    - Scald
    - Toxic
    - Recover


    Quagsire is immune to Thunder, doesn't fear paralysis that much and resists Iron Head. It also has Recover to heal off any damage Jirachi can do to it. In return Earthquake is solid 3HKO (15.23% to 2HKO). With Unaware Quagsire can just ignore all the boosts SubCM Jirachi might have and take it out with Earthquake, while Jirachi fails to do significant damage with Psychic. Even when using physically defensive Quagsire, SubCM Jirachi has only a 75% chance to 3HKO.
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    Unless you run very specific target sets like Alexwolf's Bulldoze Ferrothorn, it's tough to truly counter Jirachi because of the amount of versatile sets it cam run. Knowing Jirachi's set often helps you handle it- as again unless you carry a Heatran your 'counter' might not always work. For example, Ferrothorn without Bulldoze loses completely to SubCM Rachi. As someone who has toyed endlessly with Jirachi and experimented with SubCM for a long period of time, I would like to say that SpecsZone and Ferrothorn can not successfully handle SubCM RainRachi, and that Sableye, Jellicent, and Skarmory are all shaky counters as well. Specially Defensive Rachi is a bit easier to counter as it isn't really meant for any sort of offense, instead it is a special sponge that can support its teammates with paraflinch. For this reason, nearly anything that resists Iron Head can beat SpDef Jirachi bar steel types which can be hit decently hard with the rare Fire Punch. One notable pokemon that hasn't been mentioned yet as a counter to SpDef and Scarf Rachi as well as a check to SubCM RainRachi is Specially Defensive Rotom-W.

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    Rotom-W @ Leftovers / Chesto Berry
    Calm / 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
    Hydro Pump / Volt Switch / (WiloWisp / Thunder Wave) / (Pain Split / Rest)


    SpDef Rotom-W takes 6-7% from Jirachi's Iron Head- which is healed off with Leftovers each turn. Body Slam does 22% on average, but it gives you many more opportunities to fight back- hitting hard with Hydro Pump, crippling with TWave / WoW, healing off Rachi's massive HP stat with Pain Split, or Volt Switching out to a faster ground type such as Dugtrio to nail it. Rotom-W can handle ScarfRachi quite easily as well- again, Body Slam is its most powerful move against you, and a status move will just completely shut ScarfRachi down. SubCM Rachi is a bit harder to beat, but if you come in early enough you can force Rachi to not Sub up with repeated HPumps and then status it but this strategy is riskier and requires prediction.

    Basically, to beat Jirachi, you need to status it, kill it fast, or force it out. There are many different ways to do this, but these strategies have different amount of reliabilities on different sets- for example, checks that rely on status such as Ferrothorn or Jellicent will lose to SubCM Jirachi, but work very well against SpDef Jirachi. Phazers like Skarmory work well against SubCM, but ScarfRachi can beat them pretty easily. That's why knowing Jirachi's set is so important- as then you can deal with it quickly and efficiently.

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