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Victreebel

Discussion in 'Uploaded Analyses' started by Endorfins, Jan 3, 2012.

  1. Endorfins

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    Victreebel


    [Overview]

    <p>Victreebel is one of the few Pokemon that can be used successfully in every tier. Although it may seem strange that a Pokemon capable of sweeping in OU should have dropped down to NU, it is here for a very good reason—the sun is Victreebel's life and blood, and without it, Victreebel is nothing but a generic Grass / Poison Pokemon. However, with the aid of Sunny Day, Victreebel can abuse its well-distributed stats and great ability to become a complete sweeping machine. BW gifted Victreebel with a boosted Growth, while its trusty ability, Chlorophyll, still boosts its Speed significantly when in Sun. Victreebel’s Poison typing is also a blessing, as it makes Victreebel one of the few Pokemon in the tier that can remove Toxic Spikes. At first glance, Victreebel’s stat spread and movepool may not seem very appealing, but its unique sweeping abilities make it a viable candidate for many teams.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Special Growth
    move 1: Growth
    move 2: Solarbeam
    move 3: Weather Ball
    move 4: Sludge Bomb / Sleep Powder
    item: Life Orb
    ability: Chlorophyll
    nature: Modest
    evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Although Venusaur may have usurped Victreebel's position as the top mixed sun sweeper in OU, Victreebel can still use its well-distributed offensive stats to wreak havoc on the NU metagame. Sun support transforms Victreebel from an average Pokemon into a deadly sweeper, capable of razing down whole teams. After a Growth boost and Chlorophyll, Victreebel will have doubled its offensive stats and Speed, which usually allows it to sweep unhindered. The NU tier is more focused on physical walls, such as Regirock and Alomomola, so Victreebel is better off going fully special; a +2 SolarBeam devastates anything that doesn't resist it, while Weather Ball (a coverage move most other Pokemon lack) deals with the problematic Grass- and Steel-types that plague other sun sweepers. The last slot uses Sludge Bomb to take out the Fire-types that resist Victreebel's other moves while still providing Victreebel with a way to attack when the sun is no longer up. Sleep Powder can also be used in the last slot to disable an opposing Pokemon and safely set up a Growth or two. However, the loss of Sludge Bomb means that Victreebel has no way of hitting Fire-types even neutrally and will be all but useless when the sun runs out.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Special Attack and Speed are maximized in order to ensure that Victreebel can hit as hard and fast as possible. A Modest nature is used to further boost Victreebel's Special Attack, but a Timid nature can also be used to outrun Adamant Absol without sun. Victreebel can also go mixed with Sucker Punch in the last slot in order to surprise revenge killers hoping to take advantage of sun running out; if using Sucker Punch, a Rash nature should be used. Teammates that can set up sun are obviously good Pokemon to use with Victreebel; Mesprit and Volbeat can both reliably set up sun and U-turn out to give Victreebel a safe switch in. The former can also set up Stealth Rock, which helps Victreebel to achieve more KOs, while the latter is almost guaranteed to set up sun thanks to its ability, Prankster. Victreebel fits well on a sun-based team with teammates such as Magmortar to help weaken walls with Sun-boosted Fire Blasts so Victreebel can sweep through the remnants of the opposing team with its impeccable coverage.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Swords Dance
    move 1: Swords Dance
    move 2: Leaf Blade
    move 3: Sucker Punch
    move 4: Return / Sleep Powder
    item: Life Orb
    ability: Chlorophyll
    nature: Adamant
    evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Victreebel has access to another boosting move in the form of Swords Dance; although it may seem inferior to Growth at first, it is actually a very good move to use on Victreebel thanks to it not being reliant on sun. This set aims to have a more reliable setup with greater independence from sun, while still being able to sweep through weakened teams. Leaf Blade is the main STAB move, which does decent damage to anything that doesn't resist it, while Sucker Punch bypasses Victreebel's low Speed and allows it destroy most revenge killers. Lastly, Return can be used to hit Pokemon such as Altaria hard but doesn't give Victreebel any extra coverage on Steel-types. Instead, Sleep Powder can be used to debilitate a counter and give Victreebel time to set up.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Maximum investment in Speed and Attack gives Victreebel the best shot at sweeping, as any investment in its bulk is likely to be wasted due to its low defensive stats. An Adamant nature is also used to boost its Attack further, but a Jolly one can be used to outspeed Adamant Absol. Although this set is much less reliant on sun, it still benefits from it; once again, Pokemon such as Volbeat can use Sunny Day while also providing Victreebel with a free switch in, courtesy of U-turn. This Victreebel has far less coverage compared to its other set, however; bulky Flying-, Poison-, and Steel-types easily wall this set as they resist Victreebel's STAB move and can avoid Sucker Punch with support moves. Powerful Fire-type teammates such as Magmortar can annihilate most of Victreebel's counters with sun-boosted Fire Blasts while fellow Cholorophyll abusers, such as Exeggutor, can take down Poison-types with Psychic. Although this set is not too hard to wall, it is extremely hard to revenge kill; thanks to Sucker Punch, Victreebel can attack Choice Scarf holders before they can strike and with a Swords Dance or two behind its back, Victreebel can easily take them down in one hit. However, Victreebel's reliance on Sucker Punch leaves it exposed to Substitute abusers such as Magmortar and Muk.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Victreebel's excellent offensive stat spread means that it can abuse Choice items quite well; however, it has little that differentiates itself from other Choice users such as, Torterra and Exeggutor, both of whom have a better secondary STAB and higher offensive stats. A mixed set is famous for being Victreebel's most common set in past generations, but since NU has numerous physical walls, Victreebel is much better off using the more powerful SolarBeam and Sludge Bomb and avoiding splitting EVs between its offensive stats. Stun Spore is a worthwhile option to cripple offensive switch-ins but Victreebel is better off just attacking them with its powerful moves. Since Victreebel is very dependent on sun to succeed, it can choose to set up its own sun with Sunny Day and a Heat Rock; however, it struggles with coverage when using Sunny Day and finds it hard to set up safely, so Victreebel is much better off letting its teammates set up sun for it. Substitute is another great move to use on Victreebel to avoid priority users such as Absol, but without an extra coverage move, Victreebel struggles to get past certain Pokemon.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Victreebel is one of the hardest Pokemon in the tier to counter. There is no Pokemon that can reliably take two of Victreebel's +2 attacks and still survive so it often comes to getting in your Victreebel counter before it can boost up. Victreebel's most reliable counters are the traditional pink blobs, Miltank and Lickilicky; the former can run either Sap Sipper or Thick Fat to lessen Victreebel's blows while the latter's pink flab can sponge one of Victreebel's attacks before it uses Dragon Tail to phaze Victreebel away. Bulky Fire-types such as Flareon, as well as Dragon-types such as Altaria, are also decent switch-ins to Victreebel; however, both are hit very hard by Sludge Bomb and only Altaria can take Sleep Powder courtesy of Natural Cure. In sun, Victreebel is extremely hard to revenge kill, especially if it is also running Sucker Punch; however, Linoone's ExtremeSpeed will always go before Victreebel and can KO after it has been weakened by hazards and Life Orb. Other priority attacks such as Absol's Sucker Punch can shut down Victreebel if it isn't using the move itself. If you don't have any of these options on your team, or they were knocked out, then sometimes the only way to stop a rampaging Victreebel is to stall out the sun or knock it out with its own Life Orb.</p>
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    second set should have power whip over leaf blade.

    I'm not sure what to make of the first set; I suggest trying out HP fire/Power whip as well.
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    WeatherBall is much stronger than HPFire while Power Whip isnt much better than Leaf Blade due to its accuracy problems, Ill slash Power Whip on the second set
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    Power Whip's average BP is 102 factoring in accuracy. List it first (it's just as accurate as Megahorn/Fire Blast). I also kind of feel SD should be the first listed set as Sun is basically non-existent right now, but I'll have to test it to see if it's good (or at least better than Meganium).

    Add Encore to OO, it's an interesting option so you can set up.
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    Someone correct me if Im wrong, but isnt Power Whip illegal with Sucker Punch and/or Weather Ball?
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    yeah, it is. that's quite unfortunate.

    put power whip in OO at least, though.
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    After a Swords Dance Leaf Blade should do enough damage but yea :/
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    I hate illegal movesets. Also after playing against growth its probably the best set Victreebel can run, SD isn't really worth it when you have Leafeon around.
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    Sleep Powder and Sucker Punch is definitely enough to differentiate from Leafeon though.
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    I'm thinking a standalone Sunny Day set could work, let me do some more testing and get back to you
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    What I meant by my post was "its not good enough to be the first listed set". It definitely deserves a set. Also stand alone Sunny Day is interesting, but I think we should work on the Sunny Day set that's up now. Why exactly is it mixed? What does Leaf Blade hit harder than Solar Beam?
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    Leaf Blade does have the useful niche of failing to OHKO Regirock, I suppose... Other than stupid shit like Cryogonal, everything is going to be hit harder by Solarbeam.
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    Good, cause I really like the Swords Dance set, as for the mixed thing, I really like Sucker Punch in the last slot but if youre running Sludge Bomb then SolarBeam is the way to go.
    Do you want me to make two Ev spreads? One for only special and one for mixed?
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    Ok I definitely think a standalone sunny day set should be added. Something like sunny day / solarbeam / weather ball / sludge bomb with life orb / heat rock
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    Standalone is too similar to the set already shown with just sunny day instead of Growth, also Victreebel is pretty frail and slow without Sun support from team mates so it will have a hard time setting up. Ill mention it in OO
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    I think the natures on all the sets should boost Atk or SpAtk instead of Speed, as max speed with an unboosted nature is 239, which outpaces virtually everything in the tier including scarfed 'mons after being doubled by Chlorophyll.
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    Sunny Day as a set is OO material IMO. rest looks fine to me i guess

    QC 1/3
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    Growth set looks much better off as full Special.
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    Agreeing with this, mixed should be AC
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    Changed to Special only.
    The sheer power of +2 Life Orb Solarbeam is amazing, it OHKOs Max/Max Lickilicky after Stealth Rock!
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    Looks like this died before it got the final two stamps...

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    Looking good to me.

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    This is ready for GP
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    [Overview]


    <p>Victreebel is one of the few Pokemon that can be used successfully in every tier. Although it may seem strange that a Pokemon capable of sweeping in OU should have dropped down to NU, it is here for a very good reason.: The sun is Victreebel's life and blood, and without it, Victreebel is nothing but just another generic Grass- and / Poison- type. However, with the aid of Sunny Day, Victreebel can abuse its well placed stat spread and-distributed stats and great ability to become a complete sweeping machine. The new generation gifted Victreebel with a boosted Growth while its trusty ability Chlorophyll keephugely boosts its Speed upwhen in Sun. Victreebel’s Poison typing is also a blessing as it makes VIictreebel one of the few Pokemon in the tier that can remove Toxic Spikes. At first glance at, Victreebel’s stat spread and movepool may not seem very appealing but its unique sweeping abilities make it a viable candidate for many teams.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Special Growth
    move 1: Growth
    move 2: Solarbeam
    move 3: Weather Ball
    move 4: Sludge Bomb / Sleep Powder
    item: Life Orb
    ability: Chlorophyll
    nature: Modest
    evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Although Venasuar may have usurped Victreebel's position as top mixed Ssun sweeper in OU, Victreebel can still use its perfectly distributed offensive stats to wrecak havoc on the NU metagame. Sun support turnransforms Victreebel from an average Pokemon into a deadly sweeper capable of razing down whole teams. After a Growth boost and Chlorophyll, Victreebel will have doubled its offensive stats and Speed, which allows it to sweep unhindered. The NU tier is more focused on Physical walls &mdash;such as Regirock and Alomomola &mdash;so Victreebel is better off going fully Special; a +2 SolarbBeam devastates anything theat doesn't resist it, while Weather Ball (a coverage move unique to Victreebel) deals with the problematic Grass- and Steel-types that plague other Sun sweepers. The last slot gouses Sludge Bomb to take out the Fire-types that resist Victreebel's other moves while still providing Victreebel with a way to attack when the Sun is no longer shining. Sleep Powder can also be used in the last slot to disable an opposing Pokemon and safely setup a Growth or two. However, the loss of Sludge Bomb means that Victreebel has no way of hitting Fire-types even neutrally and will be all but useless when the Sun runs out.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The maximum amount of EVs are placed in Special Attack and Speed to make sure Victreebel has the most attacking power possible while also letting it outrun most walls without Cholorophylloutside of sun and most Scarf holders with doubled Speed. A Modest nature is used to further boosts Victreebel's Special Attack, but a Timid Nature can also be used to outrun Adamant Absol without the Ssun. Victreebel can also go mixed with Sucker Punch in the last slot to surprise revenge killers hoping to take advantage of the Ssun running out,; if using Sucker Punch, a Rash nature should be used. Teammates that can setup the Ssun are obviously good Pokemon to use with Victreebel; Mesprit and Volbeat can both reliably setup Ssun and U-turn out to give Victreebel a safe switch in. The former can also setup Stealth Rock which helps Victreebel to achieve more KOs while the latter is almost guaranteed to set up Ssun thanks to its ability, Prankster. Victreebel fits well on a Sun sun-based team with teammates such as Magmortar to help weaken walls with Sun boosted Fire Blasts so Victreebel can sweep through the remnants of the opposing team with its impeccable coverage.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Swords Dance
    move 1: Swords Dance
    move 2: Leaf Blade
    move 3: Sucker Punch
    move 4: Return / Sleep Powder
    item: Life Orb
    ability: Chlorophyll
    nature: Adamant
    evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Victreebel has access to another boosting move in the form of Swords Dance which, although it may seem inferior to Growth at first, is actually a very good move to use on Victreebel thanks to it not being reliant on the Ssun. This set aims to have a more reliable setup with greater independence from the Ssun while still being able to sweep through weakened teams. Leaf Blade ifs the main STAB move which does decent damage to anything that doesn't resist it, while Sucker Punch bypasses Victreebel's low speed and lets it destroy most revenge killers. Lastly, Return can be used to hit Pokemon such as Altaria hard but doesn't give Victreebel any extra coverage on Steel-types. Instead, Sleep Powder can be used to debilitate a counter and give Victreebel time to set up.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Maximum investment in Speed and Attack gives Victreebel the best shot at sweeping, as any investment in its bulk is likely to be wasted due to its low defensive stats. An Adamant nature is also used to boost its Attack further but Jolly can be used to outspeed Adamant Absol. Although this set is much less reliant in Son sun, it still benefits from Sunny weatherit; once again, Pokemon such as Volbeat can set up the Sun while also providing Victreebel with a free switch in. This Victreebel has far less coverage compared to its other set; bulky Flying-, Poison- and Steel-types easily wall this set as they resist Victreebel's STAB move and can avoid Sucker Punch with support moves. Powerful Fire-type teammates such as Magmortar can annihilate most of Victreebel's counters with Sun sun-boosted Fire Blasts while fellow Cholorophyll abusers such as Exeggutor can take down Poison-types with Psychic. Although this set is not too hard to wall, it is extremely hard to revenge kill; thanks to Sucker Punch, Victreebel can attack Choice Scarf holders before they can strike and with a Swords Dance or two behind its back, Victreebel can easily take them down in one hit. However, Victreebel's reliance on Sucker Punch leaves it exposed to Substitute abusers such as Magmortar and Muk.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Victreebel's excellent offensive stat spread means that it can abuse Choice items quite well; however, it has little that differentiates itself from other Choice users such as Torterra and Exeguttor who both have a better secondary STAB and higher offensive stats. A mixed set is infamous for being Victreebel's most common set in past generations but since NU has numerous physical walls, Victreebel is much better off using the more powerful SolarbBeam and Sludge Bomb and avoiding splitting EVs between its offensive stats. Stun Spore is a worthwhile option to cripple offensive switch -ins but Victreebel is better off just attacking them with its powerful moves. Since Victreebel is very dependent on the Ssun to succeed, it can choose to set up its own Ssun with Sunny Day and a Heat Rock. However, it struggles with coverage when using Sunny Day and finds it hard to setup safely.; Victreebel is much better off letting its teammates setup Sun for it. Substitute is another great move to use on Victreebel to avoid priority users such as Absol, but without an extra coverage move, Victreebel struggles to get past certain Pokemon.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Victreebel is one of the hardest Pokemon in the tier to counter. There is no Pokemon that can reliably take two of Victreebel's +2 attacks and still survive so it often comes to getting in your Victreebel counter before it can boost up. Victreebel's most reliable counters are the traditional pink blobs, Miltank and Lickilicky; the former can run either Sap Sipper or Thick Fat to lessen Victreebel's blows while the latter's pink flab can sponge one of Victreebel's attacks before it uses Dragon Tail to phaze Victreebel away. Bulky Fire-types such as Flareon, as well as Dragons such as Altaria, are also decent switch-ins to Victreebel,; however, both are hit very hard by Sludge Bomb and only Altaria can take Sleep Powder courtesy of Natural Cure. In the Ssun, Victreebel is extremely hard to revenge kill, especially if it is also running Sucker Punch,; however, Linoone's ExtremesSpeed will always go before Victreebel and can KO after it has been weakened by hazards and Life Orb. Other priority attacks such as Absol's Sucker Punch can shut down Victreebel if it isn't using the move itself. If you don't have any of these options on your team, (or they were knocked out), then sometimes the only way to stop a rampaging Victreebel is to stall out the Ssun it loves or knock it out with its own Life Orb.</p>

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    [Overview]


    <p>Victreebel is one of the few Pokemon that can be used successfully in every tier. Although it may seem strange that a Pokemon capable of sweeping in OU should have dropped down to NU, it is here for a very good reason: The sun is Victreebel's life and blood, and without it, Victreebel is nothing but just another generic Grass / Poison type. However, with the aid of Sunny Day, Victreebel can abuse its well-distributed stats and great ability to become a complete sweeping machine. The new generation gifted Victreebel with a boosted Growth while its trusty ability Chlorophyll hugely boosts its Speed when in Sun. Victreebel’s Poison typing is also a blessing as it makes Victreebel one of the few Pokemon in the tier that can remove Toxic Spikes. At first glance, Victreebel’s stat spread and movepool may not seem very appealing but its unique sweeping abilities make it a viable candidate for many teams.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Special Growth
    move 1: Growth
    move 2: Solarbeam
    move 3: Weather Ball
    move 4: Sludge Bomb / Sleep Powder
    item: Life Orb
    ability: Chlorophyll
    nature: Modest
    evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Although Venasuar may have usurped Victreebel's position as top mixed sun sweeper in OU, Victreebel can still use its perfectly distributed offensive stats to wreak havoc on the NU metagame. Sun support transforms Victreebel from an average Pokemon into a deadly sweeper capable of razing down whole teams. After a Growth boost and Chlorophyll, Victreebel will have doubled its offensive stats and Speed, which allows it to sweep unhindered. The NU tier is more focused on Physical walls&mdash;such as Regirock and Alomomola&mdash;so Victreebel is better off going fully Special; a +2 SolarBeam devastates anything that doesn't resist it, while Weather Ball (a coverage move unique to Victreebel) deals with the problematic Grass- and Steel-types that plague other Sun sweepers. The last slot uses Sludge Bomb to take out the Fire-types that resist Victreebel's other moves while still providing Victreebel with a way to attack when the Sun is no longer shining. Sleep Powder can also be used in the last slot to disable an opposing Pokemon and safely setup a Growth or two. However, the loss of Sludge Bomb means that Victreebel has no way of hitting Fire-types even neutrally and will be all but useless when the Sun runs out.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The maximum amount of EVs are placed in Special Attack and Speed to make sure Victreebel has the most attacking power possible while also letting it outrun most walls outside of sun and most Scarf holders with doubled Speed. A Modest nature is used to further boost Victreebel's Special Attack, but a Timid Nature can also be used to outrun Adamant Absol without sun. Victreebel can also go mixed with Sucker Punch in the last slot to surprise revenge killers hoping to take advantage of sun running out; if using Sucker Punch, a Rash nature should be used. Teammates that can setup sun are obviously good Pokemon to use with Victreebel; Mesprit and Volbeat can both reliably setup sun and U-turn out to give Victreebel a safe switch in. The former can also setup Stealth Rock which helps Victreebel to achieve more KOs while the latter is almost guaranteed to set up sun thanks to its ability, Prankster. Victreebel fits well on a sun-based team with teammates such as Magmortar to help weaken walls with Sun boosted Fire Blasts so Victreebel can sweep through the remnants of the opposing team with its impeccable coverage.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Swords Dance
    move 1: Swords Dance
    move 2: Leaf Blade
    move 3: Sucker Punch
    move 4: Return / Sleep Powder
    item: Life Orb
    ability: Chlorophyll
    nature: Adamant
    evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Victreebel has access to another boosting move in the form of Swords Dance which, although it may seem inferior to Growth at first, is actually a very good move to use on Victreebel thanks to it not being reliant on sun. This set aims to have a more reliable setup with greater independence from sun while still being able to sweep through weakened teams. Leaf Blade is the main STAB move which does decent damage to anything that doesn't resist it, while Sucker Punch bypasses Victreebel's low speed and lets it destroy most revenge killers. Lastly, Return can be used to hit Pokemon such as Altaria hard but doesn't give Victreebel any extra coverage on Steel-types. Instead, Sleep Powder can be used to debilitate a counter and give Victreebel time to set up.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Maximum investment in Speed and Attack gives Victreebel the best shot at sweeping, as any investment in its bulk is likely to be wasted due to its low defensive stats. An Adamant nature is also used to boost its Attack further but Jolly can be used to outspeed Adamant Absol. Although this set is much less reliant on sun, it still benefits from it; once again, Pokemon such as Volbeat can set up the Sun while also providing Victreebel with a free switch in. This Victreebel has far less coverage compared to its other set; bulky Flying-, Poison- and Steel-types easily wall this set as they resist Victreebel's STAB move and can avoid Sucker Punch with support moves. Powerful Fire-type teammates such as Magmortar can annihilate most of Victreebel's counters with sun-boosted Fire Blasts while fellow Cholorophyll abusers such as Exeggutor can take down Poison-types with Psychic. Although this set is not too hard to wall, it is extremely hard to revenge kill; thanks to Sucker Punch, Victreebel can attack Choice Scarf holders before they can strike and with a Swords Dance or two behind its back, Victreebel can easily take them down in one hit. However, Victreebel's reliance on Sucker Punch leaves it exposed to Substitute abusers such as Magmortar and Muk.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Victreebel's excellent offensive stat spread means that it can abuse Choice items quite well; however, it has little that differentiates itself from other Choice users such as Torterra and Exeguttor who both have a better secondary STAB and higher offensive stats. A mixed set is infamous for being Victreebel's most common set in past generations but since NU has numerous physical walls, Victreebel is much better off using the more powerful SolarBeam and Sludge Bomb and avoiding splitting EVs between its offensive stats. Stun Spore is a worthwhile option to cripple offensive switch-ins but Victreebel is better off just attacking them with its powerful moves. Since Victreebel is very dependent on sun to succeed, it can choose to set up its own sun with Sunny Day and a Heat Rock. However, it struggles with coverage when using Sunny Day and finds it hard to setup safely; Victreebel is much better off letting its teammates setup Sun for it. Substitute is another great move to use on Victreebel to avoid priority users such as Absol, but without an extra coverage move, Victreebel struggles to get past certain Pokemon.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Victreebel is one of the hardest Pokemon in the tier to counter. There is no Pokemon that can reliably take two of Victreebel's +2 attacks and still survive so it often comes to getting in your Victreebel counter before it can boost up. Victreebel's most reliable counters are the traditional pink blobs, Miltank and Lickilicky; the former can run either Sap Sipper or Thick Fat to lessen Victreebel's blows while the latter's pink flab can sponge one of Victreebel's attacks before it uses Dragon Tail to phaze Victreebel away. Bulky Fire-types such as Flareon, as well as Dragons such as Altaria, are also decent switch-ins to Victreebel; however, both are hit very hard by Sludge Bomb and only Altaria can take Sleep Powder courtesy of Natural Cure. In sun, Victreebel is extremely hard to revenge kill, especially if it is also running Sucker Punch; however, Linoone's ExtremeSpeed will always go before Victreebel and can KO after it has been weakened by hazards and Life Orb. Other priority attacks such as Absol's Sucker Punch can shut down Victreebel if it isn't using the move itself. If you don't have any of these options on your team, or they were knocked out, then sometimes the only way to stop a rampaging Victreebel is to stall out the sun it loves or knock it out with its own Life Orb.</p>

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    quick note, it's spelt venusaur not venasuar

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