[pimg]71[/pimg] 80/105 /65/100/60/70 Abilities Chlorophyll Gluttony: A held Berry is eaten earlier than usual when HP is low. - Thanks, but I'll stick with Chlorophyll Learn Hide (Move your mouse to the hide area to reveal the content) Show Hide Hide Hide Stockpile Swallow Spit Up Vine Whip Sleep Powder Sweet Scent Razor Leaf Grass Mixer Leaf Storm Leaf Blade TM/HM Hide (Move your mouse to the hide area to reveal the content) Show Hide Hide Hide Toxic Venom Shock Hidden Power Sunny Day Hyper Beam Protect Frustration Solar Beam Return Double Team Reflect Sludge Bomb Facade Rest Attract Thief Sing A Round Energy Ball Giga Impact Flash Swords Dance Grass Knot Swagger Substitute Cut Egg Hide (Move your mouse to the hide area to reveal the content) Show Hide Hide Hide Encore Synthesis Leech Life Ingrain Magical Leaf Worry Seed Tickle Weather Ball Bullet Seed Natural Gift Giga Drain Clear Smog Power Whip Pre-Evo Hide (Move your mouse to the hide area to reveal the content) Show Hide Hide Hide Growth Wrap Poisonpowder Stun Spore Acid Knock Off Gastro Acid Slam Wring Out Victreebel- a veteran of the Pokerealm who has barely been viable since the beginning. Can it finally find its niche? Much like the rest of you I have been scouring over stats and movepools the last few days. One of the first Pokes I happen to look at was Victreebel and immediately I noticed Power Whip. With that 120BP Phys move Victy really justifies its 105 Atk stat (highest of all PW users). Other than that, it's pretty much left the same. But some changes to other moves and Pokemon (see: Growth; Ninetales) the flytrap might be able to to at least break into UU. Can't do anything about the paper thin defense. The hope is that Sunny Day is already set up, but it might be able to do SD support also. It has decent Speed to utilize SD although its far from the fastest Phyll'er. The thing I think Victreebel can excel at is being unpredictable. The movepool is not fabulous, but the utility of Victreebel can range from straight up band/specs attacker, mixed attacker, boosting attacker, or status inducer/utility. The reason I have a little faith in this previously never-used is that Venusaur has long been considered a very solid candidate in the UU tier. I finally got around to reading the Venusaur thread and saw that people were geeked because he might be able to keep Power Whip and get Chlorophyll. The Other V is very similar in movepool, attacking stats, and Ability (although Venus is 10 base points faster) but still offers enough to set it part by hitting a little harder. Most of the old movesets still work so I'll do a couple featuring Power Whip Mixed @Life Orb 4HP/142Atk/110 SpAtk/ 252Sp - would need tweaking Lonely or Mild Power Whip Leaf Storm/Solar Beam Sludge Bomb HP Fire Best user of the unheralded Whip/Bomb combo. @Choice Band 4HP/252Atk/252Sp Adamant Power Whip HP Fire Return Knock Off/Facade :D Its a stretch Booster @Leftovers 4HP/252Atk/252Sp Adamant/Lonely Encore/Sleep Powder Swords Dance/Growth Power Whip Return/Sludge Bomb Honestly could sweep (a team of Swamperts) if set up nicely. Toxic Trickery 252 SpAtk/252 Sp @Leftovers Sleep Powder/Stun Spore/Knock Off/Gastro Acid Toxic Venom Shock Power Whip/Solar Beam/HP Fire Get the enemy to switch into Toxic, then Shock them...probably too gimmicky. Wuddaya think? Is this plant finally worth using because of Power Whip and the awesome ability? Or still mediocre as ever?