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Vigoroth[GP 2/2]

Discussion in 'Uploaded Analyses' started by Kingler12345, Nov 13, 2013.

  1. Kingler12345

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    [Overview]

    <p>Vigoroth has a decent Attack stat alongside good bulk with Eviolite, allowing it to have two primary roles in NU&mdash;that of a stallbreaker and that of a bulky sweeper. Its good Speed lets it outspeed almost all walls and shut them down with a combination of Taunt and Toxic. Its unique ability, Vital Spirit, lets it check threatening Pokemon such as Exeggutor. However, Vigoroth can't do much to Ghost-types and faces a lot of competition from Mandibuzz, Misdreavus, and Golbat as a stallbreaker, and Substitute + Bulk Up Braviary as a bulky sweeper.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Stallbreaker
    move 1: Taunt
    move 2: Toxic
    move 3: Slack Off
    move 4: Return
    item: Eviolite
    ability: Vital Spirit
    nature: Careful
    evs: 252 HP / 224 SpD / 32 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Vigoroth's Speed, bulk, and access to Taunt along with reliable recovery lets it pull off a stallbreaking set well. Taunt is the main move on this set, and lets Vigoroth shut down walls and Pokemon with recovery. It also prevents Vigoroth from being set up on by the likes of Substitute + Bulk Up Braviary. Toxic lets Vigoroth wear said walls down and is Vigoroth's main form of damage. Slack Off lets Vigoroth stay in for longer periods of time and provides reliable recovery. Lastly, Return is a reliable high-powered STAB attack which gives it a secondary way to damage the opposing Pokemon.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The given EVs let Vigoroth counter special attackers such as Kadabra better as well as outspeed Gorebyss. A physically defensive spread can be used to let Vigoroth deal with most physical attackers. As far as partners go, physically defensive Roselia and Garbodor are Spikers that have good synergy with Vigoroth, taking Fighting-type hits for it while using entry hazards, which Vigoroth appreciates as it will be forcing switches. Their Poison typing means that they can absorb Toxic Spikes, which are particularly annoying for Vigoroth. Misdreavus and Golurk also have good synergy with Vigoroth, the latter being able to set up Stealth Rock for it as well. Choice Band Sawk can beat entry hazard leads as well as Magic Coat Bastiodon, the latter of which is a prominent check to Vigoroth and the former of which areis annoying for Vigoroth to face. Skuntank and pivot Liepard can help Vigoroth deal with annoying Ghost-types such as Misdreavus, Haunter, and Drifblim by trapping them.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Bulk Up
    move 1: Bulk Up
    move 2: Taunt
    move 3: Slack Off
    move 4: Return
    item: Eviolite
    ability: Vital Spirit
    nature: Careful
    evs: 252 HP / 224 SpD / 32 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Vigoroth can pull off a bulky sweeper set as well due to its access to Taunt, which blocks Perish Song and phazing, two common ways to deal with sweepers. Bulk Up is the boosting move of choice and lets Vigoroth boost its Defense, which works well with the Special Defense investment. Taunt prevents Roar and Perish Song from ruining Vigoroth's sweep and also prevents bulky walls from recovering. Return is a consistent STAB move which lets Vigoroth take advantage of its boosts.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>A specially defensive spread is run as Vigoroth boosts its Defense through Bulk Up. The Speed investment lets Vigoroth outspeed Gorebyss. The Special Defense investment lets Vigoroth double up as a special wall. Misdreavus and Golurk have good synergy with it and can check Ghost-types that trouble this set a lot. Roselia and Garbodor are good partners as they resist Fighting, can set up Spikes on these threats, and can absorb Toxic Spikes. Skuntank and pivot Liepard are great partners as they can trap troublesome Ghost-types.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Encore lets Vigoroth disrupt setup sweepers and lock threats into an unfavorable move, but is hard to fit onto either set. Substitute stops status and damage-based phazing moves, but Vigoroth is weak to Circle Throw and Roar and Whirlwind are a lot more common, making Taunt the superior option. Double-Edge is a slightly more powerful STAB attack than Return, but the recoil is annoying for Vigoroth. Sucker Punch lets Vigoroth hit Ghost-types but many of said Ghost-types have access to Will-O-Wisp, making it rather ineffective.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Magic Coat Bastiodon, while uncommon, is the best counter to Vigoroth as it can reflect back a Taunt and proceed to cripple Vigoroth with Toxic. Haunter doesn't take anything from either set, can use Disable to prevent Vigoroth from recovering, and proceeds to whittle it down with a STAB Sludge Bomb. Drifblim outspeeds Vigoroth, can use Will-O-Wisp to cripple it, and hits it hard with Flying Gem-boosted STAB Acrobatics. Misdreavus and Golurk hard wall the Bulk Up set due to their Ghost typing, but lose to the stallbreaker set and can't do much back in return. Throh and Gurdurr are boosting sweepers that can hit Vigoroth hard due to their super effective Fighting STAB. Choice Band Sawk and Primeape can revenge kill Vigoroth with Close Combat even after it has used Bulk Up once. Musharna can switch in on a Toxic and pass it onto Vigoroth due to Synchronize; it can later cleanse itself of status by using Heal Bell. Faster Toxic users such as Mandibuzz, SubToxic Seismitoad, and Pokemon such as Kangaskhan and Tauros that run it to cripple physical walls can make Vigoroth a lot easier to deal with and only fear boosted Returns or a Taunt on the switch. Toxic Spikes from the likes of Roselia and Garbodor are annoying for Vigoroth as they deter it from switching in.</p>
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  2. Lasagne

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    I think encore+bulk up should be the main set. It allows you to set up on loads of stuff locked into a non attacking move like sr, and cos vigoroth is decently fast it can outspeed all those sr setters and encore them. I'm not sure if it should run slack off and return in the last two slots, or return and fire punch/sucker punch, I don't really know since I haven't played with it much yet. I plan to playtest a bit soon, so I'll get back to you on that. That's just my thought on what the set should be, I think its better than the current set.

    edit: taunt+bulk up is another option for some good wallbreaking action. I wouldn't say golbat and mandibuzz outclass it as a wallbreaker, since they do it different ways.
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    would like feedback on the above, thanks.
    encore + bu sounds quite cool.
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    it seems like a bit of 4MSS to me. Vigoroth really wants sub and encore to set up on Alomomomomomomo, Metang, and the like that use status moves. on the other hand it needs something to hit steel-types and sucker punch is really nice to have to kill Jynx which can't lovely kiss you and it's amazing from behind a sub since more things want to attack you. Personally I think your current set is the way to go because Sub+Encore allows it to get free subs all over walls without losing any coverage, and free sub is really cool considering the last moveslot (sucker punch or focus punch) abuses it really well, while Bulk Up means you're still vulnerable to status, but I want to test it first

    Taunt + Bulk Up looks cool too and isn't as vulnerable to status as encore + bulk up
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    that set doesnt accomplish anything, vigoroth is too weak to be attacking without any boosts. the first set should be slack off toxic taunt return witheither max def or max spdef. this allows it to stall break like golbat. its not outclassed because it can beat jynx unlike golbat and mandibuzz and lacks weakneesses in general. idk how good taunt bu would be in this meta but it was pretty good in previous metas
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    I agree with FLCL, SubEncore is pretty weak without boosts plus there's no Leftovers which means you get worn down way too quickly. Taunt + Toxic is the best set because Vigoroth is really bulky and pretty fast which lets it outpace and stall out most walls. I also think Taunt + BU deserves a set, I playtested it a bit and it's pretty good at setting up with its great bulk, though it should be second because it's pretty much cockblocked by all Ghosts. The set should be BU / Taunt / Slack Off / Return with max SpD which allows it to take special hits really well while boosting Def with BU.
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    for the first set mention a physically defensive spread in ac. it's extremely bulky and can even beat gurdurr if you predict and taunt the bulk up and proceed to toxic + slack off stall it. in the counters section make sure you mention that missy and golurk are only counters to the bulk up set and that trick users are generally a good way to cripple vigoroth. a faster toxic will also cripple it and bastiodon can counter it with magic coat + toxic. metang does not beat either set unless it can get multiple attack boosts along with a timely crit, but will most likely lost to chip damage from return.
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    done, thanks!!!
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    [Overview]

    Put them together.

    Mention that Vigoroth faces competition as a stallbreaker with Golbat, Mandibuzz, and Misdreavus around.

    Add to the speed mention that its Speed allows Vigoroth to outspeed pretty much every wall in the tier.

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS] (Stallbreaker)

    I don't really like how you write this, but Vigoroth does have problems with some Ghost-types such as Misdreavus (its a Speed tie), Haunter, and Drifblim (Acroblomp) so it doesn't *beat Ghosts*. This need to be rephrased.

    Add Skuntank for obvious reasons Oo

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS] (Bulk Up)

    Put these together (rephrase them too):
    Add Skuntank and how it deals with Ghost-types.

    By the way, it pairs well with Garbodor too which can easily set up entry hazards against Fighting-types and can wear them down quite quickly for Vigoroth.

    [Checks and Counters]

    Add Haunter and Acroblimp Drifblim.


    Implement these and I will check back later Kingler12345
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    Did that Soulgazer and clarification on faster toxic users would be nice sonce uhh what toxoc users outspeed it
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    standard mandibuzz, sub toxic toad, defensive scolipede, random offensive mons that use toxic to beat alomomola such as tauros or kangaskhan
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    Both sets should probably be running 32 Spe EVs (i.e. 252 HP / 224 SpD / 32 Spe) to outspeed Gorebyss. This way you can Taunt it before it Smashes and wear it down with Toxic / set up. It also beats Gorebyss easier than Mandibuzz and Golbat because it's not weak to Ice Beam.

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS] (BU)
    • Missy and Golurk don't /really/ deal with Ghosts b/c gl taking a Shadow Ball to the face. They check them at best.
    [Checks and Counters]
    • I'd rather you not mention Haunter can trick cos Scarf Haunter is pretty rare. Just say it's immune to everything, Disables Slack Off, and poisons it with Sludge Bomb. The same goes for the mention of general Trick users; instead of Haunter just mention more common ones like Jynx or w/e.
    • Mention Mush here b/c it can switch in on Toxic, Synchronize it over, and Heal Bell later on.
    Implement this Kingler12345 and I'll stamp.
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    [Overview]

    <p>Vigoroth has a decent Attack stat along with decent bulk with Eviolite, allowing it to have two primary roles in NU&mdash;that of a stallbreaker and that of a bulky sweeper. Its good Speed lets it outspeed almost all walls and shut them down with a combination of Taunt and Toxic. However, it can't do much to Ghost-types and faces a lot of competition from Mandibuzz, Misdreavus, and Golbat as a stallbreaker as well as Substitute + Bulk Up Braviary as a bulky sweeper.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Stallbreaker
    move 1: Taunt
    move 2: Toxic
    move 3: Slack Off
    move 4: Return
    item: Eviolite
    ability: Vital Spirit
    evs: 252 HP / 224 SpD / 32 Spe
    Careful Nature

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Vigoroth's Speed, bulk, and access to Taunt along with reliable recovery let Vigoroth pull off a stallbreaking set well. While this set might seem to be outclassed by Golbat and Mandibuzz, this set differentiates itself due to its lack of weaknesses and the ability to counter Jynx. Taunt is the main move on this set, and lets it Vigaroth shut down walls and Pokemon with reliable recovery. It also prevents Vigoroth from being set up on by the likes of Substitute + Bulk Up Braviary. Toxic lets Vigoroth wear said walls down and is Vigoroth's main form of damage. Slack Off lets Vigoroth stay in for longer periods of time and provides reliable recovery. Lastly, Return is a reliable high-powered STAB attack which gives it a secondary way to damage the opposing Pokemon.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The given EVs let Vigoroth counter special attackers such as Jynx better as well as outspeed Gorebyss. A physically defensive spread can be used to let Vigoroth deal with most physical attackers. As far as partners go, bulky Scolipede and Garbodor are Spikers that have good synergy with Vigoroth, taking Fighting-type hits for it while using entry hazards (which Vigoroth appreciates as it will be forcing switches), and appreciating its ability to deal with Choice Scarf Jynx. Their Poison typing means that they can absorb Toxic Spikes that are particularly annoying for Vigoroth. Misdreavus and Golurk also have good synergy with Vigoroth, the latter being able to set up Stealth Rock for it as well. Choice Band Sawk can beat entry hazard leads as well as Magic Coat Bastiodon, the latter of which is a prominent check to Vigoroth and the former of which are annoying for Vigoroth to face. Skuntank and pivot Liepard can help Vigoroth deal with annoying Ghost-types such as Misdreavus, Haunter, and Drifblim by trapping them.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Bulk Up
    move 1: Bulk Up
    move 2: Taunt
    move 3: Slack Off
    move 4: Return
    item: Eviolite
    ability: Vital Spirit
    evs: 252 HP / 224 SpD / 32 Spe
    Careful Nature

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Vigoroth can pull off a bulky sweeper set as well due to its access to Taunt, which blocks Perish Song and phazing, two common ways to deal with sweepers. Bulk Up is the boosting move of choice and lets Vigoroth boost its Defense, which works well with the Special Defense investment. Taunt lets Vigoroth prevent Roar and Perish Song from ruining Vigoroth's sweep and prevent bulky walls from recovering. Return is a consistent STAB move which lets Vigoroth take advantage of its boosts.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>A specially defensive spread is run as Vigoroth boosts its Defense through Bulk Up. The Speed investment lets Vigoroth outspeed Gorebyss. The Special Defense defensive investment also lets Vigoroth double up as a special wall. Misdreavus and Golurk have good synergy with it and can check Ghost-types that trouble this set a lot. Scolipede and Garbodor are good partners as they resist Fighting and can set up Spikes on these threats&mdash;Vigoroth can deal with Choice Scarf Jynx for them in return&mdash;and they absorb Toxic Spikes for it. Skuntank and pivot Liepard are great partners as they can trap troublesome Ghost-types.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Encore lets Vigoroth disrupt setup sweepers and lock threats into an unfavorable move, but is hard to fit onto either set. Substitute stops status and contact-based phazing moves, but Vigoroth is weak to Circle Throw and Roar and Whirlwind are a lot more common, making Taunt the superior option. Double-Edge is a slightly more powerful STAB attack than Return but the recoil is annoying for Vigoroth. Sucker Punch lets Vigoroth hit Ghost-types but many of said Ghost-types have access to Will-O-Wisp, making it rather ineffective.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Magic Coat Bastiodon, while uncommon, is the best counter to Vigoroth as it can reflect back a Taunt and proceed to cripple it Vigaroth with Toxic. Haunter doesn't take anything from either set, can and use Disable to prevent it Vigaroth from recovering, and proceeds to whittle it down with a STAB Sludge Bomb. Drifblim outspeeds Vigoroth, can use Will-O-Wisp to cripple it, and hits it hard with Flying Gem-boosted STAB Acrobatics. Misdreavus and Golurk hard wall the Bulk Up set due to their Ghost typing but lose to the stallbreaker set and can't do much back in return. Throh and Gurdurr are boosting sweepers that can hit Vigoroth hard due to their super effective Fighting STAB. Choice Band Sawk and Primeape can revenge kill Vigoroth with Close Combat even after it has used Bulk Up once. Musharna can switch in on a Toxic and pass it onto Vigoroth due to Synchronize; it can come in later and cleanse itself of status by using Heal Bell. Trick users such as Jynx can cripple Vigoroth by taking away its Eviolite; however, keep in mind that Jynx gets annihilated by Return, so using this method to check Vigoroth should only be done as a last-ditch effort. Faster Toxic users such as Mandibuzz, SubToxic Seismitoad, and Pokemon such as Kangaskhan and Tauros that run it to cripple physical walls can make Vigoroth a lot easier to deal with and only fear boosted Returns or a Taunt on the switch. Toxic Spikes from the likes of Roselia and Garbodor are annoying for Vigoroth as they deter it from switching in.</p>

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    <p>Vigoroth has a decent Attack stat along with decentside good bulk with Eviolite, allowing it to have two primary roles in NU&mdash;that of a stallbreaker and that of a bulky sweeper. Its good Speed lets it outspeed almost all walls and shut them down with a combination of Taunt and Toxic. Its unique ability, Vital Spirit, lets it check threatening Pokemon such as Jynx and Exeggutor. However, Vigoroth can't do much to Ghost-types and faces a lot of competition from Mandibuzz, Misdreavus, and Golbat as a stallbreaker,(AC) as well asnd Substitute + Bulk Up Braviary as a bulky sweeper.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Stallbreaker
    move 1: Taunt
    move 2: Toxic
    move 3: Slack Off
    move 4: Return
    item: Eviolite
    ability: Vital Spirit
    nature: Careful
    evs: 252 HP / 224 SpD / 32 Spe
    Careful Nature


    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Vigoroth's Speed, bulk, and access to Taunt along with reliable recovery lets Vigoroth pull off a stallbreaking set well. While this set might seem to be outclassed by Golbat and Mandibuzz, thit is set differentiates itselfd due to its lack of weaknesses and the ability to counter Jynx. Taunt is the main move on this set, and lets Vigoroth shut down walls and Pokemon with recovery. It also prevents Vigoroth from being set up on by the likes of Substitute + Bulk Up Braviary. Toxic lets Vigoroth wear said walls down and is Vigoroth's main form of damage. Slack Off lets Vigoroth stay in for longer periods of time and provides reliable recovery. Lastly, Return is a reliable high-powered STAB attack which gives it a secondary way to damage the opposing Pokemon.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The given EVs let Vigoroth counter special attackers such as Jynx better as well as outspeed Gorebyss. A physically defensive spread can be used to let Vigoroth deal with most physical attackers. As far as partners go, bulky Scolipede and Garbodor are Spikers that have good synergy with Vigoroth, taking Fighting-type hits for it while using entry hazards (which Vigoroth appreciates as it will be forcing switches), and appreciating its ability to deal with Choice Scarf Jynx. Their Poison typing means that they can absorb Toxic Spikes that,(AC) which are particularly annoying for Vigoroth. Misdreavus and Golurk also have good synergy with Vigoroth, the latter being able to set up Stealth Rock for it as well. Choice Band Sawk can beat entry hazard leads as well as Magic Coat Bastiodon, the latter of which is a prominent check to Vigoroth and the former of which areis annoying for Vigoroth to face. Skuntank and pivot Liepard can help Vigoroth deal with annoying Ghost-types such as Misdreavus, Haunter, and Drifblim by trapping them.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Bulk Up
    move 1: Bulk Up
    move 2: Taunt
    move 3: Slack Off
    move 4: Return
    item: Eviolite
    ability: Vital Spirit
    nature: Careful
    evs: 252 HP / 224 SpD / 32 Spe
    Careful Nature


    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Vigoroth can pull off a bulky sweeper set as well due to its access to Taunt, which blocks Perish Song and phazing, two common ways to deal with sweepers. Bulk Up is the boosting move of choice and lets Vigoroth boost its Defense, which works well with the Special Defense investment. Taunt lets Vigoroth prevents Roar and Perish Song from ruining Vigoroth's sweep and also prevents bulky walls from recovering. Return is a consistent STAB move which lets Vigoroth take advantage of its boosts.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>A specially defensive spread is run as Vigoroth boosts its Defense through Bulk Up. The Speed investment lets Vigoroth outspeed Gorebyss. The Special Defense investment also lets Vigoroth double up as a special wall. Misdreavus and Golurk have good synergy with it and can check Ghost-types that trouble this set a lot. Scolipede and Garbodor are good partners as they resist Fighting and,(AC) can set up Spikes on these threats&mdash;, and can absorb Toxic Spikes; in return, Vigoroth can deal with Choice Scarf Jynx for them in return&mdash;and they absorb Toxic Spikes for it. Skuntank and pivot Liepard are great partners as they can trap troublesome Ghost-types.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Encore lets Vigoroth disrupt setup sweepers and lock threats into an unfavorable move, but is hard to fit onto either set. Substitute stops status and contactdamage-based phazing moves, but Vigoroth is weak to Circle Throw and Roar and Whirlwind are a lot more common, making Taunt the superior option. Double-Edge is a slightly more powerful STAB attack than Return,(AC) but the recoil is annoying for Vigoroth. Sucker Punch lets Vigoroth hit Ghost-types but many of said Ghost-types have access to Will-O-Wisp, making it rather ineffective.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Magic Coat Bastiodon, while uncommon, is the best counter to Vigoroth as it can reflect back a Taunt and proceed to cripple Vigoroth with Toxic. Haunter doesn't take anything from either set, can use Disable to prevent Vigoroth from recovering, and proceeds to whittle it down with a STAB Sludge Bomb. Drifblim outspeeds Vigoroth, can use Will-O-Wisp to cripple it, and hits it hard with Flying Gem-boosted STAB Acrobatics. Misdreavus and Golurk hard wall the Bulk Up set due to their Ghost typing,(AC) but lose to the stallbreaker set and can't do much back in return. Throh and Gurdurr are boosting sweepers that can hit Vigoroth hard due to their super effective Fighting STAB. Choice Band Sawk and Primeape can revenge kill Vigoroth with Close Combat even after it has used Bulk Up once. Musharna can switch in on a Toxic and pass it onto Vigoroth due to Synchronize; it can later cleanse itself of status by using Heal Bell. Trick users such as Jynx can cripple Vigoroth by taking away its Eviolite; keep in mind that Jynx gets annihilated by Return, so using this method to check Vigoroth should only be done as a last-ditch effort. Faster Toxic users such as Mandibuzz, SubToxic Seismitoad, and Pokemon such as Kangaskhan and Tauros that run it to cripple physical walls can make Vigoroth a lot easier to deal with and only fear boosted Returns or a Taunt on the switch. Toxic Spikes from the likes of Roselia and Garbodor are annoying for Vigoroth as they deter it from switching in.</p>


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