Virizion (Dual Screens) [QC 3/3] (GP 2/2)

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  1. Harsha

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    Snorlaxe (who took this through QC) has been sorta busy so I got permission to take this beauty over :)

    EDIT: Implemented sirn's check, I'll wait and see what to do right now about Badal's.

    EDIT 2: So there's been a mix up, and Badal will come back and finish up the check and it'll be done. So for now, I implemented the check I was told to and I'll wait out the next one.

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    so beautiful!

    [SET]
    name: Dual Screens
    move 1: Reflect
    move 2: Light Screen
    move 3: Giga Drain / Close Combat
    move 4: Taunt
    item: Light Clay
    nature: Timid / Jolly
    evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>While one may be disappointed when looking at Virizion's stats, particularly its lackluster Defense stat, it is actually an effective dual screens user. Virizion's great base 129 Special Defense, coupled with its resistance to Pursuit, allows it to set up on a greater number of threats than Latias, Azelf, and Espeon can. Additionally, with its great base 108 Speed, Virizion has the capability to Taunt common entry hazard users and setup sweepers that would normally pose problems for most dual screen users. Most dual screen users have a weakness to the ever-popular Rotom-W and Scizor VoltTurn core; however, Virizion does not fear Rotom-W and, with Reflect, can ensure that Scizor does not become too threatening. While this set is mainly used for supporting purposes, one has a choice when picking an attack. While Giga Drain offers insurance against most rain teams and the ability to replenish health, one can opt for Close Combat to beat down Tyranitar and keep Heatran at bay.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Virizion's EV spread is fairly straightforward; it gives maximum Speed to outpace Pokemon under base 108 Speed, and causes a Speed tie with Terrakion and Infernape. 252 HP EVs give Virizion respectable bulk, although its Defense will be a bit low. However, this is easily remedied by Reflect, so it's not a major problem. Nonetheless, if one is concerned about physical bulk, a spread with 252 HP / 224 Def / 32 Spe and a Bold nature allows Virizion to take physical hits more respectably while still outspeeding neutral-natured Breloom, Tyranitar, and Dragonite. When using Virizion the first screen one should aim to set up, should usually be Reflect, unless facing a troublesome specially based attacker. That way, Virizion will always be able to make up for its low Defense stat. Light Clay is the item of choice because it prolongs dual screens by an extra three turns, allowing for longer setups and sweeps. Virizion does not need any team support to function well, as it is a supporter itself. Regardless, it is best paired with setup sweepers, such as Latias and Dragonite, who can pull off longer and more effective sweeps behind screens.</p>

    <p>Teams looking for a Fire / Water / Grass core should consider Virizion for its resistances; in return, Virizion gains more opportunities to set up. Heatran is troublesome for this set to face because it can sponge hits and retaliate with a STAB, super effective Fire-type move, so a good partner would be a bulky Water-type. Vaporeon in particular works wonders because it can reliably beat Heatran and also give Wish support to Virizion, letting it set up screens multiple times. Faster Taunt users ruin this set, because without offensive investment, Virizion is fairly weak. Like all Virizion sets, this one hates facing Flying-type moves, including Hurricane from Dragonite and Tornadus, and Acrobatics from Gliscor. Even with dual screens up, Flying-type moves will most likely OHKO Virizion, so one should be cautious when playing against a user of said moves. Jirachi, Heatran, and Tyranitar work very well because they all resist Flying-type moves and benefit from dual screens support.</p>
  2. Harsha

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    So I'll bump this to say it's written.
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    copypastable (open)
    [SET]
    name: Dual Screens
    move 1: Reflect
    move 2: Light Screen
    move 3: Giga Drain / Close Combat
    move 4: Taunt
    item: Light Clay
    nature: Timid / Jolly
    evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>While one may be disappointed when looking at Virizion's stats, particularly its lackluster Defense stat, it is actually an effective dual screens user. Virizion's great base 129 Special Defense, coupled with its resistance to Pursuit, allows it to set up on more threats than Latias, Azelf, and Espeon can <it's a little unclear whether these examples refer to "other screeners" or "pokes virizion can set up on", hence the rephrase>. Additionally, with its great base 108 Speed, Virizion has the capability to Taunt common entry hazard users and setup sweepers that would normally pose problems for most dual screen users. Most dual screen users have a weakness to the ever-popular Rotom-W and Scizor VoltTurn core; however, Virizion does not fear Rotom-W and, with Reflect, can ensure that Scizor does not become too threatening. While this set is mainly used for supporting purposes, one has a choice when picking an attack. While Close Combat offers insurance against the likes of Tyranitar and Blissey, one can opt for Giga Drain to both replenish health when necessary and check rain teams <being slightly nitpicky here, but i'd prefer you mention giga drain first.>.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Virizion's EV spread is fairly straightforward; it gives maximum Speed to outpace Pokemon under base 108 Speed, as well as Speed tie with Terrakion and Infernape. 252 HP EVs give Virizion respectable bulk, though its Defense will be a bit low. However, this is easily remedied by Reflect, so it's not a major problem. Nonetheless, if one is concerned about physical bulk, a spread with 252 HP / 224 Def / 32 Spe and a Bold nature allows Virizion to take physical hits more respectably while still outspeeding <who?>. When using Virizion, the first screen one should aim to set up should usually be Reflect, unless facing a troublesome specially based attacker. That way, Virizion will always be able to make up for its low Defense stat. Light Clay is the item of choice because it prolongs dual screens by an extra three turns, allowing for longer setups and sweeps.</p>

    <p>Virizion does not need any team support to function well, as it is a supporter itself. Regardless, it is best paired with setup sweepers such as Latias and Dragonite, who can pull off longer and more effective sweeps behind screens. Any team that needs a boost in their defenses will appreciate Virizion's presence, because its typing is favorable and it has the functionality to work well with any type of team <this is vague and reads like filler. why should virizion be used over other dual screens users? are there any specific benefits its typing brings it? if you've already made your point in the above section (countering voltturn, mainly) you can just remove this, actually>.</p>

    <p>Teams looking for a Fire / Water / Grass core should consider Virizion for its resistances; in return, Virizion gains more opportunities to set up. Heatran is troublesome for this set to face because it can sponge hits and retaliate with a STAB, super effective Fire-type move, so a good partner would be a bulky Water-type. Vaporeon in particular works wonders because it can reliably beat Heatran and also give Wish support to Virizion, letting it set up screens multiple times. Faster Taunt users ruin this set, because without offensive investment, Virizion is fairly weak. Like all Virizion sets, this Virizion hates facing Flying-type moves, including Hurricane from Dragonite and Tornadus, and Acrobatics from Gliscor. Even with dual screens up, Flying-type moves will most likely OHKO Virizion, so one should be cautious when playing against a user of said moves <perhaps suggest some rock/ steel types?>.</p>
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    copypastable (open)


    [SET]
    name: Dual Screens
    move 1: Reflect
    move 2: Light Screen
    move 3: Giga Drain / Close Combat
    move 4: Taunt
    item: Light Clay
    nature: Timid / Jolly
    evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>While one may be disappointed when looking at Virizion's stats, particularly its lackluster Defense stat, it is actually an effective dual screens user. Virizion's great base 129 Special Defense, coupled with its resistance to Pursuit, allows it to set up on a greater number of threats than Latias, Azelf, and Espeon can{it's a little unclear whether these examples refer to "other screeners" or "pokes virizion can set up on", hence the rephrase}. Additionally, with its great base 108 Speed, Virizion has the capability to Taunt common entry hazard users and setup sweepers that would normally pose problems for most dual screen users. Most dual screen users have a weakness to the ever-popular Rotom-W and Scizor VoltTurn core; however, Virizion does not fear Rotom-W and, with Reflect, can ensure that Scizor does not become too threatening. While this set is mainly used for supporting purposes, one has a choice when picking an attack. While Close Combat offers insurance against the likes of Tyranitar and Blissey, one can opt for Giga Drain to both replenish health when necessary and check rain teams {being slightly nitpicky here, but i'd prefer you mention giga drain first.}.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Virizion's EV spread is fairly straightforward; it gives maximum Speed to outpace Pokemon under base 108 Speed, and causes a Speed tie with Terrakion and Infernape. 252 HP EVs give Virizion respectable bulk, although its Defense will be a bit low. However, this is easily remedied by Reflect, so it's not a major problem. Nonetheless, if one is concerned about physical bulk, a spread with 252 HP / 224 Def / 32 Spe and a Bold nature allows Virizion to take physical hits more respectably while still outspeeding {who?}. When using Virizion the first screen one should aim to set up, should usually be Reflect, unless facing a troublesome specially based attacker. That way, Virizion will always be able to make up for its low Defense stat. Light Clay is the item of choice because it prolongs dual screens by an extra three turns, allowing for longer setups and sweeps. Virizion does not need any team support to function well, as it is a supporter itself. Regardless, it is best paired with setup sweepers, such as Latias and Dragonite, who can pull off longer and more effective sweeps behind screens.{as sirn said, that part seemed like a filler, feel free to include why its better than others, but I removed it nonetheless}</p>

    <p>Teams looking for a Fire / Water / Grass core should consider Virizion for its resistances; in return, Virizion gains more opportunities to set up. Heatran is troublesome for this set to face because it can sponge hits and retaliate with a STAB, super effective Fire-type move, so a good partner would be a bulky Water-type. Vaporeon in particular works wonders because it can reliably beat Heatran and also give Wish support to Virizion, letting it set up screens multiple times. Faster Taunt users ruin this set, because without offensive investment, Virizion is fairly weak. Like all Virizion sets, this one hates facing Flying-type moves, including Hurricane from Dragonite and Tornadus, and Acrobatics from Gliscor. Even with dual screens up, Flying-type moves will most likely OHKO Virizion, so one should be cautious when playing against a user of said moves {perhaps suggest some rock/ steel types?}.</p>

    Will stamp once changes are made.
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    so sorry to have to do this, harsha, but considering i made quite a few comments / requested a few additions, i think this might need another check before it's done. :/

    also, Badal, i actually disagree with a few of your changes D:

    the "can" there is necessary to prevent ambiguity - otherwise, it could possibly be read to mean "set up on Latias, Azelf, and Espeon, and more threats". while which meaning is probably obvious to people already familiar with pokes, IMO the entire issue is probably best avoided anyway :/

    comma there is incorrect

    same


    these changes aren't really 'wrong' per se, but I don't think they make it flow any better (on the contrary, actually :/ )

    this is probably the most debatable, but imo it flows better without the comma

    not too clear why you changed this considering "does not" was used in noncontracted form earlier on in the sentence

    i'm not very fond of the wording of "and causes a Speed tie with" - perhaps "and causes Virizion to Speed tie with"? :/ (eta: perhaps try this instead? "Virizion's EV spread is fairly straightforward: maximum Speed lets Virizion outpace Pokemon under base 108 Speed, as well as / and Speed tie with Terrakion and Infernape")
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    Discussed these with sirn, came to an agreement. It would be nice to have someone weigh in on the
    EDIT: <Limi> i believe they are always ok when the removal of the relative clause doesn't change how the sentence is read

    Apologies for jumping the gun and checking it before it was implemented. I'll stamp it once the changes have been implemented.
  7. Harsha

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    Err, so can I see a final list of changes to see what I need to work from? Sorry about that, but I'm not sure what version to start checking from.

    This is what I have right now.
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    Use my copypastable, but implement the comments, and then I'll look over it.
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    lol um since when do we stack multiple gp checks on top of each other? i dunno if things have changed since i was an active checker, but im fairly sure we're supposed to wait for the OP to actually implement the first gp check before going ahead and doing another one......
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    You could just change the order of the words in the sentence, and have it read like this:

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    Alright, Badal fixed the check to accommodate both poster's changes, and I implemented the latter check. Badal will be on tomorrow to finish it up, and then this will be done. Thanks guys!
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    Looks good!
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