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Wailord (QC 2/2)(GP 2/2)

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  1. dragonboy52

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    [Overview]

    <p>Wailord isn't as big of a threat as it looks, but it certainly is a force to be reckoned with. Its stat distribution is good
    , with decent bulk and reasonable offense, but poor Speed. The only niche it has is its access to Water Spout. When Water Spout is used in rain at full HP, it can OHKO or 2HKO pretty much every Pokemon in the metagame. Wailord's support options are lacking, but its powerful Water Spout helps to make up for that. All in all, Wailord has its pros and cons, and can be useful on a rain or Trick Room team.<p>

    [SET]
    name: Trick Room Attacker
    move 1: Water Spout
    move 2: Surf / Hydro Pump
    move 3: Ice Beam
    move 4: Protect
    item: Wacan Berry / Sitrus Berry
    nature: Quiet
    ability: Pressure
    evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 SpD
    ivs: 0 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>While Wailord possesses decent offenses and defenses, it lacks Speed.
    With Trick Room set up by a teammate, though, Wailord will be able to outspeed almost all Pokemon in non-Trick Room teams and do massive damage with Water Spout. Water Spout is a powerful STAB move that should only be used when Wailord is at, or close to full HP. Surf and Hydro Pump are less powerful STAB attacks which can do good damage when Wailord's HP is too low to use Water Spout anymore. Surf hits all Pokemon on the field, including teammates, which can work well if Wailord has a teammate with Dry Skin or Water Absorb. Hydro Pump is a more powerful, but less accurate move that hits only one Pokemon on the field. Protect should be used on the first turn to conserve HP, while a teammate sets up Trick Room. This ensures that Wailord will outpace almost all Pokemon during the next four turns, which allows it to freely spam its powerful moves. Ice Beam 2HKOes most common Dragon-types, such as Latios and Dragonite, that try to come in on a resisted Water-type move.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Wacan Berry reduces the amount of damage taken by Electric-type moves, allowing Wailord to take a Thunderbolt from Zapdos or Thundurus, and hit back with a super effective Ice Beam. Sitrus Berry
    is another option, giving Wilaord some extra health to boost the power of Water Spout. The EV spread used is fairly simple; it maximizes Wailord's Special Attack and Special Defense, allowing Wailord to take special Grass- and Electric-type attacks more easily, as well as hit opposing Pokemon hard. A Quiet nature and 0 Spe IVs make Wailord as slow as possible, meaning that it will be blindingly fast when Trick Room is up. An alternative EV spread of 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD can be used to increase Wailord's overall bulk. As for teammates, Politoed is an amazing choice, as it can summon permanent rain to boost Water Spout. Also, teammates that can set up Trick Room such as Bronzong, Musharna, and Cresselia are a must, as this set is only meant to be used under Trick Room. Musharna is an amazing partner, due to its immunity to Surf through Telepathy. Lightningrod Rypherior is also a great teammate, as it can absorb all Electric-type attacks aimed at Wailord.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Wailord has a few other
    sets that it can pull off effectively. If you're looking for a fast Pokemon to spam Water Spout on a rain team, Choice Scarf Wailord is a viable option. Wailord doesn't have the best Defense and Special Defense, but it can take hits reasonably well thanks to its enormous base 170 HP, making a more defensive set viable. If you plan on using Wailord on a Hail team, Blizzard should be used over Ice Beam. Life Orb and Water Gem are also two other items to consider. Life Orb gives Wailord a much appreciated power boost, but Water Spout will decrease in power thanks to recoil damage. Water Gem-boosted Water Spout under the rain can OHKO almost every Pokemon in the metagame. Wailord also has a decent base 90 Attack stat, allowing it to utilize a Choice Band set with Waterfall, Double-Edge, Earthquake, and Selfdestruct. Hidden Power Ice and Hidden Power Electric can be used over Protect to hit opposing Water-types. Wailord can also set up Rain Dance on its own, and it is a viable option over Protect. Selfdestruct can be used as a reasonably powerful last-ditch attack, but it's generally not powerful enough to be really useful.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Sun teams
    make Water Spout pitifully weak, and the common Chlorophyll users are able to do huge damage to Wailord with their STAB Grass-type attacks. However, when in Trick Room, Wailord can outspeed and OHKO most Chlorophyll users with Ice Beam. Priority moves can be problematic for Wailord, as they can do significant damage to it before it attacks, reducing Water Spout's Base Power. Jellicent with Water Absorb is the best counter to Wailord, as it can gain HP from any Water-type move it gets hit by, while also resisting Ice Beam. Dry Skin Toxicroak can also take anything Wailord has to offer and retaliate back with priority moves such as Fake Out and Sucker Punch, or restore its own HP with Drain Punch. Taunt users such as Tornadus can stop Wailord's teammates' attempts to set up Trick Room. Ferrothorn is another notable counter that resists both of Wailord's moves and can sap large amounts of health from Wailord with Leech Seed, or do huge damage with Power Whip. Almost all bulky Water-types such as Lanturn and Milotic can wall Wailord.</p>
  2. Solace

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    if you're not going to be using the hidden powers you should probably go for protect over that (put the hp's in OO)

    i would prioritize wailord as a trick room water spouter, so a 0 speed iv and no speed ev's are required, with choice scarf in OO

    Surf before Hydro Pump

    mention more teammates
  3. dragonboy52

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    Ok, updated. (Except Overview)
    btw guys, I need more stuff to add in AC so if you have ideas, please lmk.
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    k, this is ready for QC.
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    -Like Solace said, Surf before Hydro Pump

    -Protect always goes in the 4th slot

    -4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 SpD is a better EV spread than just max HP, and Wailord doesn't need to try to take any physical attacks, just special Grass and Electric moves

    -Sitrus Berry as the item, Leftovers just doesn't help enough fast enough with hail and sandstorm everywhere. Slash Wacan Berry behind it to take at least one Thunderbolt from Zapdos or Thundurus

    -Mention Cresselia and Musharna as teammates to set up TR, Musharna is immmune to Surf as well. Rhyperior would make an excellent partner, too, drawing Thunderbolts with Lightningrod and taking out Zapdos and Thundurus with Rock Slide
  6. dragonboy52

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    Okay, I got everything. Thanks.
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    I guess this is the best Wailord can do x__x QC 1 / 2
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    Yea, Wailord is just a big fat whale :(
    Anyway, thanks for the check!
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    in oo i'd add that wailord can set up its own rain dance, and also add scald for the burn chance if your team has trouble with physical attackers.

    QC 2/2

    as jrank said, this is about the best wailord can do :(
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    Thanks Solace.
    This is ready for GP checks!
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    [Overview]

    <p>Wailord isn't as big of a threat as it looks, but it certainly is a force to be reckoned with. Its stat distribution is quite good: decent bulk, decent reasonable offense, and bad speed but poor Speed. Though, the only niche it has is its access to Water Spout. When Water Spout is used in rain and if Wailord is at full HP, it can OHKO or 2HKO pretty much every Pokemon in the metagame. Wailord's movepool is lacking on the support side support options are lacking, but it has what it needs: powerful STAB moves. All in all, Wailord has its ups and downs pros and cons it isn't what you think it means :P, and one should consider using it on a rain or Trick Room team.<p>

    [SET]
    name: Trick Room Abuser
    move 1: Water Spout
    move 2: Surf / Hydro Pump
    move 3: Ice Beam
    move 4: Protect
    item: Wacan Berry / Sitrus Berry
    nature: Quiet
    evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 SpD
    ivs: 0 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>While Wailord posses decent offenses and defenses, it lacks Speed. Fortunately, this can be used to its advantage. With Trick Room set up with the help of repeated 'with' by a teammate, Wailord will be able to outspeed almost all Pokemon in non-<hyphen>Trick Room teams and do massive damage with Water Spout. Water Spout is a powerful STAB move that should only be used when Wailord is at, or close to full HP. Surf hits all Pokemon on the field, including teammates. You can take advantage of this by using a teammate with Dry Skin or Water Absorb. Surf will then, both: hit the opposing Pokemon as well as heal its Wailord's teammate. Hydro Pump is a more powerful, but less accurate move that hits only one Pokemon on the field. Thus, the choice between Surf and Hydro Pump depends on Wailord's teammates. Protect should be used on the first turn, while a teammate such as Bronzong sets up Trick Room. This ensures that Wailord will outpace almost all Pokemon on during the next four turns, which allows it to freely spam its powerful moves. Ice Beam hits common Dragon-types, such as Latios and Latias, that try to come in and resist a on a resisted STAB Water-type move.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Wacan Berry reduces the amount of damage taken by Electric-type moves, allowing Wailord to take a Thunderbolt from Zapdos or Thundurus, and hit back with a super effective Ice Beam. Sitrus Berry gives Wailord some health, but only once a game can be used only once in a match. The EV spread used is fairly simple,;<semicolon> it maximizes Wailord's Special Attack and Special Defense, which allows allowing Wailord to take special hits better, as well as hit opposing Pokemon hard. Quiet nature and 0 Spe IVs make Wailord as slow as possible, meaning that it will be as fast as possible blindingly fast when Trick Room is up. An alternative EV spread: of 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD can be used to increase Wailord's overall bulk. Also, if you plan on using Wailord on a rain team, Water Veil is the preferred ability. why? If not, you should use Pressure should be used. As for teammates, Politoed is an amazing teammate choice, as it can bring up summon preferential permanent rain. Also, teammates that can set up Trick Room such as Bronzong, Musharna, and Cresselia are a must, as this set is only meant to be used under Trick Room. Musharna is an amazing partner, due to its immunity to Surf, thanks to Telepathy. Lastly, Lightningrod Rypherior is also a great teammate as it can absorb all Electric-type hits attacks aimed at Wailord.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Wailord has a few other options that it can pull off effectively. One being a Choice Scarf set. If you're looking for a fast Pokemon to spam Water Spouts on a rain team, Choice Scarf Wailord should be considered is a viable option. Wailord doesn't have the best Defense and Special Defense, but it can take hits reasonably well thanks to its enormous base 170 base HP. This allows Wailord to pull off a more defensive set. If you plan on using Wailord on a Hail team, Blizzard should be used over Ice Beam. Life Orb and Water Gem are also two other items to consider. Life Orb increases the power of moves by 30% and makes Wailord take recoil damage gives Wailord a much appreciated power boost, but take note that Water Spout will decrease in power thanks to recoil damage. Water Gem increases any Water-type move by 50% for one turn. A rain boosted, Water Gem-<hyphen>boosted Water Spout under the rain coming from Wailord, can OHKO almost every Pokemon in the metagame. Wailord also has a decent base 90 Attack stat, allowing it to utilize a Choice Band. with what moves? Hidden Power Ice and Hidden Power Electric is an opton are options that can be used over Protect to hit opposing Water-types. Wailord can also set up Rain Dace on its own, and it is a viable option over Protect. Lastly, Selfdestruct can be used although it got nerfed in BW, making it less powerful. Unfortunately, SelfDestruct's mechanics changed in BW, which made it less powerful.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Sun teams with Chlorophyll users, outpace and OHKO Wailord when not in Trick Room is not in effect. However, when in Trick Room, Wailord can outpace outspeed and OHKO most Chlorophyll users with Ice Beam. Priority moves can be problematic for Wailord, as it they can do significant damage to it before it attacks, and reduces Water Spouts Base Power. Jellicent with Water Absorb is the best counter to Wailord, as it can gain HP from any Water-type move it gets hit by, while also resisting an Ice Beam. Dry Skin Toxicroak with Dry Skin as its ability can also take anything Wailord has to offer and can retaliate back with priority moves such as Fake Out and Sucker Punch. Pokemon carrying Taunt Taunt users such as Tornadus can Taunt any of Wailord's stop its teammates' that try attempts to set up Trick Room. Ferrothorn is another notable counter that resists both of Wailord's offensive moves and can sap large amounts of health from Wailord with Leech Seed. Lastly, Almost all bulky Water-types such as Lanturn and Milotic can wall Wailord.</p>


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    Thanks Sand, Implemented!
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    [Overview]

    <p>Wailord isn't as big of a threat as it looks, but it certainly is a force to be reckoned with. Its stat distribution is quite good:, with decent bulk, and reasonable offense, but poor Speed. Though, tThe only niche it has is its access to Water Spout. When Water Spout is used in rain and Wailord is at full HP, it can OHKO or 2HKO pretty much every Pokemon in the metagame. Wailord's support options are lacking, but it has what it needs: powerful STAB moves its powerful Water Spout helps to make up for that. All in all, Wailord has its pros and cons, and one should consider using it can be useful on a rain or Trick Room team.<p>

    [SET]
    name: Trick Room Abuser
    move 1: Water Spout
    move 2: Surf / Hydro Pump
    move 3: Ice Beam
    move 4: Protect
    item: Wacan Berry / Sitrus Berry
    nature: Quiet
    ability: Pressure
    evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 SpD
    ivs: 0 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>While Wailord posses decent offenses and defenses, it lacks Speed. Fortunately, this can be used to its advantage. With Trick Room set up by a teammate, though, Wailord will be able to outspeed almost all Pokemon in non-<hyphen>Trick Room teams and do massive damage with Water Spout. Water Spout is a powerful STAB move that should only be used when Wailord is at, or close to full HP. Surf and Hydro Pump are less powerful STAB attacks which can do good damage when Wailord's HP is too low to use Water Spout anymore. Surf hits all Pokemon on the field, including teammates, which van work well if Wailord has a teammate with Dry Skin or Water Absorb. You can take advantage of this by using a teammate with Dry Skin or Water Absorb. Surf will then hit the opposing Pokemon as well as heal Wailord's teammate. Hydro Pump is a more powerful, but less accurate move that hits only one Pokemon on the field. Thus, the choice between Surf and Hydro Pump depends on Wailord's teammates. Protect should be used on the first turn to conserve HP, while a teammate such as Bronzong sets up Trick Room. This ensures that Wailord will outpace almost all Pokemon during the next four turns, which allows it to freely spam its powerful moves. Ice Beam hits 2HKOes most common Dragon-types, such as Latios and Latias Dragonite, that try to come in on a resisted STAB Water-type move.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Wacan Berry reduces the amount of damage taken by Electric-type moves, allowing Wailord to take a Thunderbolt from Zapdos or Thundurus, and hit back with a super effective Ice Beam. Sitrus Berry gives Wailord some health, but can be used only once in a match is another option, giving Wilaord some extra health to boost the power of Water Spout. The EV spread used is fairly simple;<semicolon> it maximizes Wailord's Special Attack and Special Defense, allowing Wailord to take special hits better Grass- and Electric-type attacks more easily, as well as hit opposing Pokemon hard. A Quiet nature and 0 Spe IVs make Wailord as slow as possible, meaning that it will be blindingly fast when Trick Room is up. An alternative EV spread: of 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD can be used to increase Wailord's overall bulk. Also, if you plan on using Wailord on a rain team, Water Veil is the preferred ability as it cures any burns Wailord may get. If not, Pressure should be used. As for teammates, Politoed is an amazing choice, as it can summon permanent rain to boost Water Spout. Also, teammates that can set up Trick Room such as Bronzong, Musharna, and Cresselia are a must, as this set is only meant to be used under Trick Room. Musharna is an amazing partner, due to its immunity to Surf, thanks to through Telepathy. Lightningrod Rypherior is also a great teammate, as it can absorb all Electric-type attacks aimed at Wailord.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Wailord has a few other options sets that it can pull off effectively. One being a Choice Scarf set. If you're looking for a fast Pokemon to spam Water Spouts on a rain team, Choice Scarf Wailord is a viable option. Wailord doesn't have the best Defense and Special Defense, but it can take hits reasonably well thanks to its enormous base 170 HP. This allows Wailord to pull off, making a more defensive set viable. If you plan on using Wailord on a Hail team, Blizzard should be used over Ice Beam. Life Orb and Water Gem are also two other items to consider. Life Orb gives Wailord a much appreciated power boost, but take note that Water Spout will decrease in power thanks to recoil damage. Water Gem-boosted Water Spout under the rain can OHKO almost every Pokemon in the metagame. Wailord also has a decent base 90 Attack stat, allowing it to utilize a Choice Band set with Waterfall / Double-Edge / Earthquake / SelfDestruct Waterfall, Double-Edge, Earthquake, and Selfdestruct. with what moves? Hidden Power Ice and Hidden Power Electric are options that can be used over Protect to hit opposing Water-types. Wailord can also set up Rain Dance on its own, and it is a viable option over Protect. Selfdestruct can be used although it got nerfed in BW, making it less powerful. as a reasonably powerful last-ditch attack, but it's generally not powerful enough to be really useful.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Sun teams with Chlorophyll users, outpace and OHKO Wailord when Trick Room is not in effect make Water Spout pitifully weak, and the common Chlorophyll users are able to do huge damage to Wailord with their STAB Grass-type attacks. However, when in Trick Room, Wailord can outspeed and OHKO most Chlorophyll users with Ice Beam. Priority moves can be problematic for Wailord, as they can do significant damage to it before it attacks, and reduces reducing Water Spout'ss Base Power. Jellicent with Water Absorb is the best counter to Wailord, as it can gain HP from any Water-type move it gets hit by, while also resisting Ice Beam. Dry Skin Toxicroak can also take anything Wailord has to offer and can retaliate back with priority moves such as Fake Out and Sucker Punch, or restore its own HP with Drain Punch. Taunt users such as Tornadus can stop its Wailord's teammates' attempts to set up Trick Room. Ferrothorn is another notable counter that resists both of Wailord's moves and can sap large amounts of health from Wailord with Leech Seed, or do huge damage with Power Whip. Almost all bulky Water-types such as Lanturn and Milotic can wall Wailord.</p>


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