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Walrein (QC 3/3) (GP 2/2)

Discussion in 'Uploaded Analyses' started by Bluecaptain, Dec 12, 2011.

  1. Bluecaptain

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    Walrein
    [Overview]
    <p>Walrein can function without hail support, but it must run an entirely different set. Though its typing gives it weaknesses to Stealth Rock and Fighting-type attacks, Thick Fat grants Walrein resistances to both Ice- and Fire-type attacks, making it a solid special wall. Walrein's bulk is impressive; with 110 / 90 / 90 defenses, it can take resisted hits with ease and fire attacks back off a base 95 Special Attack stat.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Encore Support
    move 1: Encore
    move 2: Toxic
    move 3: Surf / Ice Beam
    move 4: Protect / Roar
    item: Leftovers
    ability: Thick Fat
    nature: Calm
    evs: 252 Hp / 4 Def / 252 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Despite the fall in popularity of hail teams, Walrein is nonetheless amazing because it can switch into any Choice Specs-boosted Ice-, Fire- or Water-type attack and be fine. Encore is a great supporting move, and Walrein makes excellent use of it. Encoring the opponent into a stat-boosting move can give another teammate the opportunity to set up, changing the momentum of the battle. Thus, Encore forces the opponent to use a non-boosted attack or let one of Walrein's teammates set up. Usually, it forces a switch, allowing you to Toxic another opposing Pokemon. Toxic, being essential for stalling, is necessary for a wall such as Walrein. Depending on what coverage is needed for the team, either Surf or Ice Beam can be used. Surf hits Fire-types that Walrein can easily switch into, and also hits Rock / Ground Pokemon that threaten Walrein with super effective Rock-type attacks. Ice Beam demolishes Flying-types, namely Altaria and Swellow, but you have to catch the latter on the switch as Swellow outspeeds and can KO a weakened Walrein with Facade. Protect racks up Toxic damage whereas Roar can be used in conjunction with entry hazards to phaze and deal a little damage.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Walrein works best as a special wall because its resistances are commonly seen as special attacks, but it can run a physically defensive set if necessary. The EVs for this set maximize its special bulk.</p>

    <p>There are several forms of support Walrein appreciates. Using a spinner to rid the field of Stealth Rock is very helpful, but with the few choices available, it might be hard to consistently remove hazards. As Walrein is so weak to hazards, something to remove the opponent's Ghost-type spinblocker could be useful if you do decide to run a Rapid Spin user. Torkoal has decent synergy with Walrein as it can take physical hits well and can spin away said hazards. Skuntank is great at removing pesky spin blockers with Pursuit and Sucker Punch. Pokemon that resist Fighting- and Rock-type attacks also make good teammates; Exeggutor for instance can also take Grass-type attacks aimed at Walrein, while Throh can tank Fighting-type hits.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Walrein has some other unique options that can be viable. Super Fang together with Brine allows Walrein to hit a little harder than usual, but takes up two moveslots. Although Super Fang can be used, Walrein has enough Special Attack to make use of its STAB moves while providing coverage for the team. A physical Curse set is usable and probably one of the better other options Walrein has. If you really need Walrein to function on its own, Icy Rock can be used with Hail and Ice Body, but eight turns of hail really isn't enough to work with, and even with other stalling support, Ice Body isn't that effective.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>It can sometimes be hard for Walrein to be effective due to the widespread use of Stealth Rock, as well as the power and popularity of Fighting-types. If you can get a powerful attacker, such as Cacturne, behind a Substitute without being Encored, Walrein will be forced by the threat of Seed Bomb to switch out. Faster Fighting-types, such as Sawk, can also threaten Walrein with Close Combat. Poison-types are immune to Toxic and can Toxic Walrein in return, hampering its walling capabilities. As mentioned before, Walrein is easily worn down with Stealth Rock, so if you can force it to switch, Walrein will be much less effective. Finally, Taunt from Pokemon such as Misdreavus ruins many of the defensive sets, and usually forces Walrein out, giving your Pokemon time to set up a Substitute or use a boosting move.</p>

    [Dream World]

    <p>Oblivious is useless in competitive battling as Attract is hardly ever used and few viable Pokemon have Cute Charm.</p>
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    RestTalk is terrible... I would never use Walrein for anything other than Ice Body tbh
  3. erisia

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    If Walrein's not being used on a Hail team, you really need to emphasize what Walrein has over Slowking, who it has to severely compete with.
    • Neutrality to Bug, Ghost and Dark moves.
    • Ice Beam is more powerful than Slowking's.
    • Super Fang + Brine for generally screwing around.
    • A fast enough Encore to beat some walls.
    Not sure how you'd do this, however.
  4. Endorfins

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    thick fat is another advantage
    ice moves will barely scratch walrein
  5. Ice-eyes

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    There is a set for Encore. ResTalk is not it. De-slash Hail and Icy Rock, that's just so bad. Not worth AC, stick it in OO.

    This is the set Heysup used in Gen IV and something similar might work now:
    Walrein (M) @ Leftovers
    Ability: Thick Fat
    EVs: 240 HP/16 SAtk/252 SDef
    Calm nature (+SDef, -Atk)
    Protect
    Encore
    Surf
    Toxic

    It's definitely better than Restalk.
  6. erisia

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    I wouldn't say it's an advantage over Slowking since Slowking barely takes anything from any Ice attack either, and has Regenerator to make up the difference. :p
  7. Ice-eyes

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    Walrein can't be frozen and it takes powerful Blizzards from the likes of Glaceon quite a lot better (it also isn't weak to Shadow Ball). But yeah its Speed, access to Encore and lack of Bug, Dark etc. weaknesses is quite nice.
  8. Bluecaptain

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    Thanks guys, I will edit this now.

    Also should I write this with or without Snover, as he is leaving soon?
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    Toxic Spikes support is great for Wallrein and if you use it roar are also very good SR and Spikes, but generally is better Toxic.
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    Yes i mentioned something like that.

    Anyone, should I slash roar on protect or Encore on the wall set?
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    Why isn't Aqua Ring mentioned? With Aqua Ring, you can heal even more HP with each passing turn.
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    Aqua Ring is OO at best, its a pretty terrible move since you waste a moveslot and a turn setting it up. With Ingrain at least you can't get phazed out.
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    Bump because hail is banned, the first set needs to go.
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    Mention of Super Fang + Brine? could be good with entry hazards.
  15. Ice-eyes

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    OO material, really.
  16. Bluecaptain

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    Would icy rock be viable with hail? or OO?

    What IE said.
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    Yeah, Icy Rock (and Hail) are pretty crap - OO.
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    yea, get rid of the first set. it's absolutely pointless without perma-hail
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    Hang on, hail is banned or is it just that snover is likely to move ?
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    Snow Warning is banned.
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    Deleted the hail stall set
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    Looks fine.
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    Agree with sexy tennisace.

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    jumping on the tennis train

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    Bumping for GP checks.

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