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Whirlipede [QC 3/3] [GP 2/2]

Discussion in 'Uploaded Analyses' started by Komodo, Dec 26, 2011.

  1. Komodo

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    [Overview]

    <p>Although Whirlipede is an NFE, it's one of the only viable users of Toxic Spikes in the tier. What sets it apart from Garbodor are its superior defenses, better resistances (most notable its 4x resistance to Grass- and Fighting-type attacks), and the ability to use Eviolite. Its typing gives it a lot to be desired, however, plaguing it with some common weaknesses to Rock-, Fire-, Psychic-, and Flying-type moves, in addition to a nasty Stealth Rock weakness. Whirlipede's HP stat isn't great either, but its boosted defenses and useful set-up moves make up for it. Whirlipede also lacks any form of offensive presence, making it easy to set up on, and very susceptible to Taunt. It can take on Grass- and Fighting-types and set up entry hazards, but it doesn't have a lot going for it otherwise.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Hazard Support
    move 1: Spikes
    move 2: Toxic Spikes
    move 3: Poison Jab
    move 4: Rest / Protect / Toxic
    item: Eviolite
    ability: Poison Point
    nature: Impish
    evs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Eviolite is the only reason to use Whirlipede, allowing it to shrug off physical attacks with relative ease. The idea is to switch into a Choiced Fighting-type, such as Sawk, and proceed to set up layers of Spikes and Toxic Spikes. Poison Jab is a reliable STAB move, and Whirlipede's most powerful attack. Poison Jab also gives it something to do should Whirlipede be the last Pokemon on your team. Rest is Whirlipede's only method of recovery, as Eviolite is needed over Leftovers. Protect can be used for scouting, and it helps outstall Pokemon crippled by Toxic Spikes. Toxic gives Whirlipede something to hit Levitate Pokemon with, and it hits Flying-types immune to Spikes and Toxic Spikes.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The EVs and Eviolite maximize Whirlipede's better Defense, giving it the best chance of setting up. One can invest in Special Defense to soften hits from special attackers, but it's inferior to the listed spread. Rapid Spin support gives Whirlipede an easier time switching in. Cryogonal, Staryu, and Wartortle can all provide Rapid Spin support; the former two also have a reliable recovery move. Wish support from the likes of Alomomola and Audino helps keep Whirlipede healthy, and allows it to run Protect or Toxic over Rest. A cleric is helpful to wake up Whirlipede if it's forced to Rest. Miltank, Audino, and Articuno can all support Whirlipede with Heal Bell, and they have good defensive synergy as well. Whirlipede also needs teammates that can switch into special Fire- and Psychic-type moves. Lickilicky and Audino can switch into the majority of special attackers, while Absol can take on Psychic-types with its STAB Dark-type moves. Flash Fire Rapidash can switch into Fire-type moves aimed at Whirlipede, and it also appreciates entry hazards on the field. Finally, a Ghost-type, such as Haunter or Misdreavus can be used to block Rapid Spin.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Whirlipede's movepool is pitiful, to say the least. Despite Whirlipede's low Special Attack, Venoshock can be used along with a Bold nature to deal more damage to poisoned Pokemon. Iron Defense can raise Whirlipede's Defense, but without reliable recovery, it should spend every free turn it can get setting up hazards. Sunny Day can help its teammates, but it doesn't benefit Whirlipede in any way, and increasing the power of Fire-type moves is only bad news for Whirlipede.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Anything that doesn't mind Poison will have an easy time against Whirlipede. It has next to nothing in terms of offense, making it set-up fodder for many Pokemon in the tier. Steel-types, such as Probopass, can set up against Whirlipede; Bastiodon can even Taunt it and set up. Whirlipede's typing isn't great, and it falls to repeated super effective attacks. Exploit its weaknesses to Fire-, Flying-, and Psychic-type attacks, which are fairly common. Magmortar, Swellow, and Gardevoir have nothing to fear when switching in, and their STAB moves make little work of Whirlipede. Whirlipede also has a nasty weakness to Stealth Rock, which means it'll lose 25% of its health upon switching in. If you can't do anything else, Whirlipede is completely shut down by Taunt, and Natu's Magic Bounce can reflect its entry hazards.</p>

    [Dream World]

    <p>Whirlipede gets Quick Feet from the Dream World. This is of no use on Whirlipede, as even with a boost, it will struggle to outspeed the vast majority of the metagame, and moving first gives it little advantage regardless.</p>
  2. TrollFreak

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    I'm sorry, but what does this accomplish that Scolipede can't?

    112 Base Speed, usable 90 base attack and Swords Dance, this is just outclassed

    and on the set, why Rest, it doesn't make much sense since it can't learn sleep talk

    and you run bold and Poison Jab, why not just use Imprish instead
  3. SuperJOCKE

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    You're obviously new, so I'll explain a few things:

    Whirlipede is allowed an analysis since Scolipede is moving up (RU) in January.

    Whirlipede is also bulkier.

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    But yeah, run Impish instead. Bold = -Atk +Def.

    Also, unbold everything.
  4. Doorframe

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    Fixed up the nature, but slashed in Bold for use with Venoshock.
  5. Ice-eyes

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    Sunny Day? On an Eviolite mon? Really?

    Other than that, it looks good.

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    Just make bOld the main nature and move special attacks + impish to AC or OO, since 55 is still better than 40 in any case. The only thing that could possibly work otherwise is iron defense but honestly it's just filler to put in OO because you can't do much else besides set up spikes.

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    Zurich, you must mean move Bold to AC and keep Impish.
  8. Omicron

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    You heard the man. After that's done you can consider this

    QC APPROVED (3/3)
  9. Doorframe

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    Done, thanks everyone!
  10. Komodo

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    This is written and ready for GP checks. Whirlipede is such a simple Pokemon, there isn't a lot to say. One of my favourites in NU though :D
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    [Overview]

    <p>Although Whirlipede is NFE, it's one of the only viable users of Toxic Spikes in the tier. What sets it apart from Garbodor are its superior defenses, better resistances (most notable its dual resistance to Grass- and Fighting-types), and ability to use Eviolite. Its typing gives it a lot to be desired, plaguing it with some common weaknesses to Rock-, Fire-, Psychic-, and Flying-type moves, in addition to a nasty Stealth Rock weakness. Whirlipede's HP stat isn't great either, but its boosted defenses and useful set-up(hyphen) moves make up for it. Whirlipede also lacks any form of offensive presence, making it easy to set up on, and very susceptible to Taunt. It can take on Grass- and Fighting-types and set up entry hazards, but it doesn't have a lot going for it otherwise.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Hazard Support
    move 1: Spikes
    move 2: Toxic Spikes
    move 3: Poison Jab
    move 4: Rest / Protect / Toxic
    item: Eviolite
    ability: Poison Point
    nature: Impish
    evs: 252 Hp / 252 Def / 4 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Eviolite is the only reason to use Whirlipede, allowing it to shrug off physical attacks with relative ease. The idea is to switch into a Choiced Fighting-type, such as Sawk, and proceed to set up layers of Spikes and Toxic Spikes. Poison Jab is a reliable STAB move, and Whirlipede's most powerful attack. Poison Jab also gives it something to do should Whirlipede be the last Pokemon on your team. Rest is Whirlipede's only method of recovery, as Eviolite is needed over Leftovers. Protect can be used for scouting, and it helps stall Pokemon crippled by Toxic Spikes. Toxic gives Whirlipede something to hit Levitate Pokemon with, and it hits Flying-types immune to Spikes and Toxic Spikes.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The EVs and Eviolite maximize Whirlipede's better Defense, giving it the best chance at setting up. One can invest in Special Defense to soften hits from special attackers, but it's inferior to the listed spread. Rapid Spin support gives Whirlipede an easier time switching in. Cryogonal, Staryu, and Wartortle can provide Rapid Spin support, whilst the former two have a reliable recovery move. Wish support from the likes of Alomomola and Audino helps keep Whirlipede healthy, and allows it to run Protect or Toxic over Rest. A cleric is helpful to wake up Whirlipede if it's forced to Rest. Miltank, Audino, and Articuno can all support Whirlipede with Heal Bell, and they have good defensive synergy as well. Whirlipede also needs teammates who that can switch into special Fire- and Psychic-type moves. Slowking and Audino can switch into the majority of special attackers, while Absol can take on Psychic-types with its STAB Dark-type moves. Flash Fire Rapidash can switch into Fire-type moves aimed at Whirlipede, and it also appreciates entry hazards on the field.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Whirlipede's movepool is pitiful, to say the least. Despite Whirlipede's low Special Attack, Venoshock can be used with a Bold nature to deal more damage to poisoned Pokemon. Iron Defense can raise Whirlipede's Defense, but without reliable recovery, it should spend every free turn setting up hazards. Sunny Day can help its teammates, but it doesn't benefit Whirlipede in any way, and increasing the power of Fire-type moves is only bad news for Whirlipede.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Anything that doesn't mind Poison will have an easy time against Whirlipede. It has next to nothing in terms of offense, making it set-up(comma) fodder for many Pokemon in the tier. Steel-types, such as Probopass, can set up against Whirlipede; Bastiodon can even Taunt it and set up. Whirlipede's typing isn't great, and it falls to repeated super effective attacks. Exploit its weaknesses to Fire-, Flying-, and Psychic-type attacks, which are fairly common. Magmortar, Swellow, and Gardevoir have nothing to fear when switching in, and their STAB moves make little work of Whirlipede. Whirlipede also has a nasty weakness to Stealth Rock, which means it'll lose 25% of its health upon switching in. If you can't do anything else, Whirlipede is completely shut down by Taunt, and Natu's Magic Bounce can steal its entry hazards.</p>

    [Dream World]

    <p>Whirlipede gets Quick Feet from the Dream World. This is of no use on Whirlipede as even with a boost, it will struggle to outspeed the vast majority of the metagame, and moving first gives it little advantage regardless.</p>

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  12. dragonboy52

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    252 Hp should be 252 HP in the EVs section.

    I also think that you should add spin blockers, such as Missy and Haunter, in AC, since it's quite important.
  13. Komodo

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    I didn't mention spinblockers, it's just common sense really. I'll add a small sentence, but it doesn't need a lot of information.
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    [Overview]

    <p>Although Whirlipede is an NFE, it's one of the only viable users of Toxic Spikes in the tier. What sets it apart from Garbodor are its superior defenses, better resistances (most notable its dual4x resistance to Grass- and Fighting-type attacks), and the ability to use Eviolite. Its typing gives it a lot to be desired, however, plaguing it with some common weaknesses to Rock-, Fire-, Psychic-, and Flying-type moves, in addition to a nasty Stealth Rock weakness. Whirlipede's HP stat isn't great either, but its boosted defenses and useful set-up moves make up for it. Whirlipede also lacks any form of offensive presence, making it easy to set up on, and very susceptible to Taunt. It can take on Grass- and Fighting-types and set up entry hazards, but it doesn't have a lot going for it otherwise.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Hazard Support
    move 1: Spikes
    move 2: Toxic Spikes
    move 3: Poison Jab
    move 4: Rest / Protect / Toxic
    item: Eviolite
    ability: Poison Point
    nature: Impish
    evs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Eviolite is the only reason to use Whirlipede, allowing it to shrug off physical attacks with relative ease. The idea is to switch into a Choiced Fighting-type, such as Sawk, and proceed to set up layers of Spikes and Toxic Spikes. Poison Jab is a reliable STAB move, and Whirlipede's most powerful attack. Poison Jab also gives it something to do should Whirlipede be the last Pokemon on your team. Rest is Whirlipede's only method of recovery, as Eviolite is needed over Leftovers. Protect can be used for scouting, and it helps outstall Pokemon crippled by Toxic Spikes. Toxic gives Whirlipede something to hit Levitate Pokemon with, and it hits Flying-types immune to Spikes and Toxic Spikes.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The EVs and Eviolite maximize Whirlipede's better Defense, giving it the best chance atof setting up. One can invest in Special Defense to soften hits from special attackers, but it's inferior to the listed spread. Rapid Spin support gives Whirlipede an easier time switching in. Cryogonal, Staryu, and Wartortle can all provide Rapid Spin support, whilst; the former two also have a reliable recovery move. Wish support from the likes of Alomomola and Audino helps keep Whirlipede healthy, and allows it to run Protect or Toxic over Rest. A cleric is helpful to wake up Whirlipede if it's forced to Rest. Miltank, Audino, and Articuno can all support Whirlipede with Heal Bell, and they have good defensive synergy as well. Whirlipede also needs teammates that can switch into special Fire- and Psychic-type moves. SlowkingLickilicky and Audino can switch into the majority of special attackers, while Absol can take on Psychic-types with its STAB Dark-type moves. Flash Fire Rapidash can switch into Fire-type moves aimed at Whirlipede, and it also appreciates entry hazards on the field. Finally, a Ghost-type, such as Haunter, or Misdreavus can be used to block Rapid Spin.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Whirlipede's movepool is pitiful, to say the least. Despite Whirlipede's low Special Attack, Venoshock can be used along with a Bold nature to deal more damage to poisoned Pokemon. Iron Defense can raise Whirlipede's Defense, but without reliable recovery, it should spend every free turn it can get setting up hazards. Sunny Day can help its teammates, but it doesn't benefit Whirlipede in any way, and increasing the power of Fire-type moves is only bad news for Whirlipede.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Anything that doesn't mind Poison will have an easy time against Whirlipede. It has next to nothing in terms of offense, making it set-up fodder for many Pokemon in the tier. Steel-types, such as Probopass, can set up against Whirlipede; Bastiodon can even Taunt it and set up. Whirlipede's typing isn't great, and it falls to repeated super effective attacks. Exploit its weaknesses to Fire-, Flying-, and Psychic-type attacks, which are fairly common. Magmortar, Swellow, and Gardevoir have nothing to fear when switching in, and their STAB moves make little work of Whirlipede. Whirlipede also has a nasty weakness to Stealth Rock, which means it'll lose 25% of its health upon switching in. If you can't do anything else, Whirlipede is completely shut down by Taunt, and Natu's Magic Bounce can stealreflect its entry hazards.</p>

    [Dream World]

    <p>Whirlipede gets Quick Feet from the Dream World. This is of no use on Whirlipede, as even with a boost, it will struggle to outspeed the vast majority of the metagame, and moving first gives it little advantage regardless.</p>


    c/p (open)
    [Overview]

    <p>Although Whirlipede is an NFE, it's one of the only viable users of Toxic Spikes in the tier. What sets it apart from Garbodor are its superior defenses, better resistances (most notable its 4x resistance to Grass- and Fighting-type attacks), and the ability to use Eviolite. Its typing gives it a lot to be desired, however, plaguing it with some common weaknesses to Rock-, Fire-, Psychic-, and Flying-type moves, in addition to a nasty Stealth Rock weakness. Whirlipede's HP stat isn't great either, but its boosted defenses and useful set-up moves make up for it. Whirlipede also lacks any form of offensive presence, making it easy to set up on, and very susceptible to Taunt. It can take on Grass- and Fighting-types and set up entry hazards, but it doesn't have a lot going for it otherwise.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Hazard Support
    move 1: Spikes
    move 2: Toxic Spikes
    move 3: Poison Jab
    move 4: Rest / Protect / Toxic
    item: Eviolite
    ability: Poison Point
    nature: Impish
    evs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Eviolite is the only reason to use Whirlipede, allowing it to shrug off physical attacks with relative ease. The idea is to switch into a Choiced Fighting-type, such as Sawk, and proceed to set up layers of Spikes and Toxic Spikes. Poison Jab is a reliable STAB move, and Whirlipede's most powerful attack. Poison Jab also gives it something to do should Whirlipede be the last Pokemon on your team. Rest is Whirlipede's only method of recovery, as Eviolite is needed over Leftovers. Protect can be used for scouting, and it helps outstall Pokemon crippled by Toxic Spikes. Toxic gives Whirlipede something to hit Levitate Pokemon with, and it hits Flying-types immune to Spikes and Toxic Spikes.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The EVs and Eviolite maximize Whirlipede's better Defense, giving it the best chance of setting up. One can invest in Special Defense to soften hits from special attackers, but it's inferior to the listed spread. Rapid Spin support gives Whirlipede an easier time switching in. Cryogonal, Staryu, and Wartortle can all provide Rapid Spin support; the former two also have a reliable recovery move. Wish support from the likes of Alomomola and Audino helps keep Whirlipede healthy, and allows it to run Protect or Toxic over Rest. A cleric is helpful to wake up Whirlipede if it's forced to Rest. Miltank, Audino, and Articuno can all support Whirlipede with Heal Bell, and they have good defensive synergy as well. Whirlipede also needs teammates that can switch into special Fire- and Psychic-type moves. Lickilicky and Audino can switch into the majority of special attackers, while Absol can take on Psychic-types with its STAB Dark-type moves. Flash Fire Rapidash can switch into Fire-type moves aimed at Whirlipede, and it also appreciates entry hazards on the field. Finally, a Ghost-type, such as Haunter or Misdreavus can be used to block Rapid Spin.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Whirlipede's movepool is pitiful, to say the least. Despite Whirlipede's low Special Attack, Venoshock can be used along with a Bold nature to deal more damage to poisoned Pokemon. Iron Defense can raise Whirlipede's Defense, but without reliable recovery, it should spend every free turn it can get setting up hazards. Sunny Day can help its teammates, but it doesn't benefit Whirlipede in any way, and increasing the power of Fire-type moves is only bad news for Whirlipede.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Anything that doesn't mind Poison will have an easy time against Whirlipede. It has next to nothing in terms of offense, making it set-up fodder for many Pokemon in the tier. Steel-types, such as Probopass, can set up against Whirlipede; Bastiodon can even Taunt it and set up. Whirlipede's typing isn't great, and it falls to repeated super effective attacks. Exploit its weaknesses to Fire-, Flying-, and Psychic-type attacks, which are fairly common. Magmortar, Swellow, and Gardevoir have nothing to fear when switching in, and their STAB moves make little work of Whirlipede. Whirlipede also has a nasty weakness to Stealth Rock, which means it'll lose 25% of its health upon switching in. If you can't do anything else, Whirlipede is completely shut down by Taunt, and Natu's Magic Bounce can reflect its entry hazards.</p>

    [Dream World]

    <p>Whirlipede gets Quick Feet from the Dream World. This is of no use on Whirlipede, as even with a boost, it will struggle to outspeed the vast majority of the metagame, and moving first gives it little advantage regardless.</p>


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