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Wobbuffet (Full Revamp) [QC 3/3] [GP 2/2]

Discussion in 'Uploaded Analyses' started by Jukain, Oct 13, 2012.

  1. Jukain

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    taken over from berserker lord. pk's changes from the previous thread implemented.

    [Overview]

    <p>Lurking in the dark trenches of BL, Wobbuffet is sometimes pushed aside in favor of its more offensively orientated Shadow Tag-sporting cousin, Gothitelle. However, to assume that it is outclassed is unwise; rather, its mighty bulk, which allows it to tank even the most powerful of attacks, minuscule movepool brimming with perfection to properly make use of Shadow Tag, and ability to efficiently defeat Choice item users makes it arguably the better Shadow Tag Pokemon. The two play different roles entirely&mdash;Wobbuffet is best on bulky offense and balanced teams because of its ability to beat Choice item users, while Gothitelle is better on hyper offense teams due to its wide selection of attacks and decent Special Attack stat. Unfortunately, a lack of recovery, being completely stopped by Taunt, the generation's power creep, and the lowering of Encore's duration since DPP prevents BL's resident telekinetic from flipping OU upside down and being banished to Ubers like in DPP and ADV before it. BW brought with it many new problems for everyone's most loved (or hated) trapper, but it can still perform with reliability unmatched by any other trapper.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Oh No, It's Wobbuffet! (Bulky)
    move 1: Encore
    move 2: Mirror Coat
    move 3: Counter
    move 4: Safeguard
    item: Leftovers
    ability: Shadow Tag
    nature: Bold / Calm
    evs: 28 HP / 232 Def / 248 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Since the long-forgotten days of ADV, Wobbuffet has been besting its opposition with this set, and consequentially was banished to Ubers with little controversy. While Wobbuffet has not changed one bit, the Pokemon around it have become more fierce and have pushed the telekinetic fiend down to the no man's land known as BL. Regardless, Wobbuffet can still perform as a stellar trapper, and can take advantage of essentially any Pokemon that may confront it. The goal of this set is very simple&mdash;switch Wobbuffet in so that the opposing Pokemon is trapped and either KO it with Counter or Mirror Coat or give a teammate free turns to set up. Gothitelle, Wobbuffet's main rival, struggles to efficiently deal with Choice item users, while Wobbuffet has a number of traits that allow it to prevail against most. Counter and Mirror Coat, henceforth referred to as CounterCoat, are moves that Wobbuffet was built to utilize. Its enormous HP stat and low defenses mean that it loses a ton of HP when it takes attacks, but still remains relatively healthy or at the very least survives the hit. This often makes CounterCoat a guaranteed OHKO against any Pokemon with decent offensive stats. The next move is one that can claim almost sole responsibility for Wobbuffet's notoriety, and has been built upon throughout three generations&mdash;Encore. Encore allows Wobbuffet to give the free turns to its teammates that it is famous for. Although it was nerfed in the transition to BW with a reduction in duration to three turns, this is still more than enough time for teammates to set up in. Safeguard wraps up the set mainly as filler, but it prevents Wobbuffet and its teammates from being crippled by status for a few turns, which is especially helpful if a set-up sweeper or wall is waiting in the wings.</p>

    <p>The beauty of having both Encore and CounterCoat on the same set is that the combination enables Wobbuffet to escape any mindgames that it might be faced with. There are two main archetypes of Pokemon that Wobbuffet is likely to be trapping&mdash;Choice item users and Pokemon with non-attacking moves. The latter group is troublesome given that CounterCoat is Wobbuffet's only form of "offense", as an opposing sweeper setting up or behind a Substitute renders them untouchable by said moves. However, with Encore in play, the use of these moves is a liability. It also prevents issues with mixed attackers, as they would otherwise be able to play around with Wobbuffet between their physical and special attacks. However, there are still some mindgames present; if Encore is used as the opponent attacks, Wobbuffet might be 2HKOed, and if it uses CounterCoat while the opponent uses a non-attacking move, the opponent gets an advantage. Lastly, being a threat to both Substitute users, set-up sweepers, and Choice item users makes Wobbuffet a living hell for offense.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The given EV spread hits a Leftovers bonus number and optimizes Wobbuffet's ability to take any hits that may come its way. A Bold nature is chosen to ensure that Genesect does not receive an Attack boost from Download and thus that Wobbuffet can more easily take U-turns from OU's robotic king. It also allows Wobbuffet to survive a Crunch from Choice Band Tyranitar from full health and an Outrage from Haxorus after damage from Stealth Rock and one layer of Spikes. The boost to Defense also makes Wobbuffet's defenses more even, which is optimal for a Pokemon meant to take attacks from both sides. A Calm nature would allow Wobbuffet to take a Bug Buzz from Life Orb Volcarona at full health, but it would also unbalance Wobbuffet's defenses and has absolutely no use outside of taking that one hit.</p>

    <p>Wobbuffet is not one of those Pokemon that you need to support; rather, it should be supporting its teammates. A Wish passer is the only notable way to support Wobbuffet, as Wish allows Wobbuffet to stick around for much longer and thus to continue its meddlesome ways. Chansey and Blissey are best for the job because they are immune to Ghost-type attacks, while Wobbuffet returns the favor by trapping and KOing the ever common Fighting-types in OU bar some Conkeldurr. This set lends itself to supporting set-up sweepers, such as Salamence and Breloom, who fear being revenge killed at every moment. This makes them prime candidates for teammates. The same can be said of mixed attackers and Expert Belt Pokemon attempting to bluff a Choice Scarf, as they tend to lack boosting moves or a Choice Scarf to prevent being revenge killed. Stall teams are appreciative of its potency against offensive teams, though such teams are cramped for Pokemon as it is and usually cannot afford space for Wobbuffet. The point is that Wobbuffet is a wasted Pokemon if its teammates are not exploiting its destructive capabilities.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Speedy
    move 1: Encore
    move 2: Tickle
    move 3: Mirror Coat
    move 4: Counter
    item: Leftovers
    ability: Shadow Tag
    nature: Bold / Calm
    evs: 252 Def / 76 SpD / 180 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>While this set has a bit of trouble switching in due to its lower bulk, it has enough Speed investment to outrun Blissey and other slower walls, while still functioning decently against weak attackers and Choice Scarf users. As opposed to the more conservative play of bulky Wobbuffet, more aggressive play is utilized here, which of course entails prediction; however, this makes it all the more deadly, especially in the hands of a skilled player. While CounterCoat still makes an appearance on this set, they take a backseat to the masterful combination of Tickle and Encore. Encore is useful for disrupting opposing set-up sweepers, though do take note that this set will have a bit of trouble tanking powerful boosted hits. However, it being used in conjunction with Tickle is what makes it so dangerous, as Tickle weakens walls for its teammates while Encore makes them unable to use their desired recovery move or entry hazard, which combines for a Wobbuffet that strikes fear into the heart of almost every wall ever seen in OU.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>180 Speed EVs allow Wobbuffet to outrun some slow walls such as Chansey, Blissey, and Ferrothorn, as well as Conkeldurr and Reuniclus. The remaining EVs are distributed into Wobbuffet's defenses. A Bold nature is preferred to take the more common physical attacks a bit better, but Calm is also very viable to allow Wobbuffet to take some special attacks such as Air Balloon Heatran's Fire Blast, Life Orb Latios's Draco Meteor, and Life Orb Hydreigon's Draco Meteor. A Timid nature along with 232 Speed EVs is an option to outrun Politoed and Skarmory that lack Speed investment, though Skarmory usually runs Speed EVs of its own anyway and additional investment in Speed ruins Wobbuffet's optimized defenses.</p>

    <p>Although this Wobbuffet set has its advantages, it also has a curse that comes with it&mdash;a need for support. Dugtrio and/or Pursuit support is required, as otherwise Tickle is a wasted commodity and thus the point of this set is thrown out of the window. Pursuit support can come in the form of Tyranitar or Scizor. Moving away from the necessary support, this Wobbuffet also has some additional uses for its teammates. All walls and Choice Scarf users meet their doom against Wobbuffet, so offensive Pokemon and offensive teams in general pair well with it. This set is also helpful for stall teams, as they often struggle against opposing stall teams. The necessary support is counterbalanced by the newfound use of defeating walls, so do not let that deter you from utilizing this set.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Wobbuffet literally has two other moves that could see the light of day&mdash;Destiny Bond and Charm. Unfortunately for Wobbuffet, this is the only place where its mediocre Speed stat really lets it down, as both moves really require Speed to function best. Charm is not a great move anyway, and if you want Destiny Bond that badly then I direct your attention to Gengar and Froslass.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>If the complete definition of a counter is taken into account, then technically Wobbuffet has zero counters because nothing can actually switch into Wobbuffet except under very specific circumstances. Of course, if this were the case then Wobbuffet would surely have been banished to Ubers like in the last two generations. The rise of Shed Shell users such as Heatran and Ninetales to keep up with the rampant Dugtrio usage means that the number of Pokemon able to be trapped by Wobbuffet is slowly decreasing. The prevalence of U-turn and Volt Switch allows many Pokemon to escape Wobbuffet's wrath, but unless a Ghost-type is brought in with U-turn or a Dark-type with Volt Switch, the new Pokemon will be faced with losing a ton of health via Counter or Mirror Coat. U-turn and Volt Switch are particularly lethal when used with a Tyranitar carrying Pursuit, as then Wobbuffet is put in a checkmate position. Baton Pass functions in a similar fashion but does not run the risk of the Pokemon sent out being hit by Counter or Mirror Coat. If you want specifics, this makes Hydreigon the best Wobbuffet "counter" in the business.</p>

    <p>There are still a bunch of other countermeasures to Wobbuffet left to discuss. The first and most notable solution is simply to throw an array of powerful attacks in Wobbuffet's direction. These will deter it from switching in, as it would risk being 2HKOed. Examples include Life Orb Genesect's Bug Buzz, Life Orb Scizor's Bug Bite, Life Orb Volcarona's Bug Buzz, Choice Band Victini's V-create in sun, and Choice Specs Keldeo's Hydro Pump in rain. If you have a mixed attacker, take advantage of that fact and play mindgames with Wobbuffet. This can potentially cause Wobbuffet to die using Encore or desperately attempting to get off a Counter or Mirror Coat. A fast Taunt prevents Encore, forcing Wobbuffet to blindly use CounterCoat. Tornadus (both formes) and Sableye work well for this. Magic Bounce reflects back Tickle and Encore, giving Wobbuffet a taste of its own medicine. Status, most notably Toxic, wears down Wobbuffet very quickly because of its lack of recovery outside of Leftovers. Entry hazards lessen Wobbuffet's ability to switch in and out multiple times to sponge hits without worry. If your Pokemon do not possess any of these traits, just go for the move that is least exploitable for setup bait, such as Leech Seed, Reflect, Light Screen, or Substitute. Generally, utilizing every method at your disposal to wear down Wobbuffet will do the trick, as then it is prevented from effectively meddling with your team.</p>
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    You say Wobbuffet is too slow to utilize Tickle, but you have it listed as its own set. You might want to take Tickle out of Other Options.
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    Overview

    you should outline what advantages Wobbuffet has over Gothitelle, so people would know why they would ever use Wobba.

    1) superior bulk
    2A) Encore support, which arguably supports set-up sweepers better
    2B) Encore also allows Ticke + Encore to work flawlessly
    3) great for killing choiced mons

    Bulky

    ~ Move 4 EVs from SpD to Defense to give Wobbuffet 232 Def EVs; this bumps Wobba's defense from 229 -> 231

    ~ You should remind readers the duration of Encore. If Wobba moves first, the opponent is locked into the same move for 2 additional turns. If Wobba moves last, the opponent is locked into the same move for 3 additional turns.

    ~ Don't say shit about Safeguard. Although Wobba will be statused, with Safeguard it provides amazing set-up opportunity for the opponent locked into the set-up move.

    Speedy

    ~ AC mention Timid & 236 Spe EVs to be faster than min Spe Politoed and Skarmory.

    Checks & Counters

    Needs to be fleshed out more. Go more into detail. Add these information

    ~ U-turn -> Ghost combo
    ~ Volt-Turn -> Ttar combo
    ~ powerful hard hitters (mostly super-effective hits):
    • LO Modest Genesect's Bug Buzz
    • CB TTar plays mind games with Crunch or Pursuit
    • LO SD Scizor's Bug Bite or CB Scizor's U-turn
    • LO Volcarona's Bug Buzz
    • Adamant Victini's V-create @ Charcoal
    • Keldeo's CSpecs HPump in Rain
    ~ fast Taunt blocks Encore, forcing Wobbuffet to blindly use Counter or Mirror Coat
    ~ ie Sableye & Tornadus-T
    ~ status wears down Wobbuffet quickly, since it can't recover health on its own
    ~ hazards also prevents Wobbuffet from sponging hits
    ~ Magic Guard to bounce back Encore / Tickle
    ~ Baton Pass to escape
    ~ if a Pokemon that doesn't have the traits explained above, then use the move that is least set-up bait (ie Reflect / Light Screen, Leech Seed, Substitute)
    ~ if a mixed sweeper is trapped and possesses both physical and special moves that severely maims Wobbuffet, you can play mind games with it, forcing it to die after using Encore or blindly throwing Counter / Mirror Coat.

    EDIT

    Other Options: Just mention Charm & Destiny Bond - remove the rest.
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    changes implemented, thanks pocket.
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    You missed Baton Pass for Checks & Counters. Also make sure you explicitly state the advantages of Wobbuffet over Gothitelle in your Overivew. (ie "Wobbuffet has some advantages over its Shadow Tag counterpart Gothitelle...[insert advantages]).

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    baton pass is grouped with u-turn/volt switch in c&c and that countercoat isn't an issue for the new pokemon. similarly, the advantages for wobbuffet over gothitelle are mentioned in the last bullet of the overview.
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    Wobuffet can actually use Destiny Bond pretty well, due to its lack of recovery. But seriously, Destiny Bond can allow Wobuffet to take something like Volcarona or Salamence and leave their +6 setups foiled after OHKOing Wobuffet.
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    I think you must be misunderstanding Destiny Bond or something, because a) who in their right mind is going to let Salamence/Volcarona set up +6? and b) a +6 move would just OHKO Wobbuffet anyway.
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    thanks pk, expect this written up soon.

    EDIT: I looked over aldaron's guidelines in the overview revamp project and included the information needed with just a touch of flavor/fluff

    EDIT2: bulky set is written

    EDIT3: speedy set is written, time for the easiest oo ever!

    EDIT4: that ease makes me unprepared for this monster of a c&c section
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    This is written up and ready for GP checks.
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    I feel that the natures should be Bold Impish, Timid Jolly, and Calm Careful.

    I mean, it may not have any other attacking moves, but let's say you're somehow PP-stalled. Wouldn't you want Struggle to do more damage instead of less?
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    No because Wobbuffet is more likely to be confused than forced to struggle.
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    Point taken. Thanks. That nature thing was bugging me for a long time.
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    [Overview]

    <p>Looming in the mystical trenches of BL, Wobbuffet is often pushed aside in favor of its more offensively orientated Shadow Tag-sporting cousin, Gothitelle. However, assuming it's outclassed is incorrect; instead, its mighty bulk that allows it to tank even the most powerful of attacks, minuscule movepool brimming with perfection to properly make use of Shadow Tag, and ability to efficiently defeat Choice item users makes it arguably the better Shadow Tag Pokemon. The two play different roles entirely&mdash;Wobbuffet is best on bulky offense and balance teams because of its ability to beat Choice item users, while Gothitelle is best on hyper offense teams due to its wide selection of attacks and decent Special Attack stat. A lack of recovery, being completely stopped by Taunt, the generation's power creep, and the lowering of Encore's duration from DPP prevents BL's resident telekinetic from flipping OU upside down and being banished to Ubers like in DPP and ADV before it. BW brought with it many impediments for everyone's most loved (or hated if you think like that) trapper, but it can still perform with such reliability that is at a level unmatched by any other trapper.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Oh No, It's Wobbuffet! (Bulky)
    move 1: Encore
    move 2: Mirror Coat
    move 3: Counter
    move 4: Safeguard
    item: Leftovers
    ability: Shadow Tag
    nature: Bold / Calm
    evs: 28 HP / 232 Def / 248 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Since the long-forgotten days of ADV, Wobbuffet has been besting its opposition with this set, and subsequently banished to Ubers with little controversy. While Wobbuffet has not changed one bit, the Pokemon around it have become more fierce and have pushed the telekinetic fiend down to the no man's land known as BL. Regardless, Wobbuffet can still perform as a stellar trapper that can take advantage of essentially any Pokemon that may confront it. The goal of this set is very simple&mdash;switch Wobbuffet in so that the opposing Pokemon is trapped and either KO it with Counter or Mirror Coat or give a teammate free turns to set up. Gothitelle, Wobbuffet's main rival, struggles to efficiently deal with Choice item users, while Wobbuffet has numerous traits that allow it to prevail against most. Counter and Mirror Coat, henceforth referred to as CounterCoat, are moves that Wobbuffet was built to utilize. Its enormous HP stat and low defenses mean that it loses a ton of HP when it takes attacks but still remains in a decent range of health or at the very least survives the hit. This often makes CounterCoat often a guaranteed OHKO against any Pokemon with self-respect toward its decent offensive stats. The next move is a move that can claim almost sole responsibility for Wobbuffet's notoriety that has been built upon throughout three generations&mdash;Encore. Encore allows Wobbuffet to give the free turns to its teammates that it is famous for. Although it was nerfed in the transition to BW with a reduction in duration to three turns, this is still more than enough for teammates to set up. Safeguard wraps up the set mainly as filler, but it prevents Wobbuffet and its teammates from being crippled by status for a few turns, which is especially helpful if a setup sweeper or wall is waiting in the wings.</p>

    <p>The beauty of having both Encore and CounterCoat on the same set is that the combination enables Wobbuffet to escape any mindgames that it might be faced with. There are two main archetypes of Pokemon that Wobbuffet is likely to be trapping&mdash;Choice item users and Pokemon with non-attacking moves. The latter group is troublesome with CounterCoat as Wobbuffet's only form of offense, as an opposing sweeper setting up or behind a Substitute renders them untouchable by said moves. When Encore is brought into the mix However with Encore, the use of these moves is a liability with Wobbuffet on the other side of the field. It also prevents issues with mixed attackers, as they would otherwise be able to play around with Wobbuffet between their physical and special attacks. If you want to use CounterCoat against mixed attackers, generally predicting that they will use their strongest attack available to hit Wobbuffet. Lastly, being a threat to both Substitute users, setup sweepers, and Choice item users makes Wobbuffet a living hell for offense.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The given EV spread hits a Leftovers bonus number and optimizes Wobbuffet's ability to take any hits that may come its way. A Bold nature is chosen to ensure that Genesect does not receive an Attack boost from Download and thus makes it so Wobbuffet can more easily take U-turns from OU's robotic king. It also allows Wobbuffet to survive a Crunch from Choice Band Tyranitar from full health and an Outrage from Haxorus after damage from Stealth Rock and one layer of Spikes. The boost to Defense also makes Wobbuffet's defenses more even, which is optimal for a Pokemon meant to take a myriad of attacks both physical and special. A Calm nature would allow Wobbuffet to take a Bug Buzz from Life Orb Volcarona at full health, but it would also unbalance Wobbuffet's defenses and has absolutely no use outside of taking that one hit.</p>

    <p>Wobbuffet is not one of those Pokemon that you need to support; rather, it should be supporting its teammates. A Wish passer is the only notable way to support Wobbuffet, as Wish allows Wobbuffet to stick around for much longer to continue with its meddlesome ways. Chansey and Blissey are best for the job because they are immune to Ghost-type attacks, while Wobbuffet returns the favor by trapping and KOing the ever common Fighting-types in OU bar some Conkeldurr. This set lends itself to supporting setup sweepers, such as Salamence and Breloom, who fear every moment of being revenge killed. This makes them prime candidates for teammates. The same can be said of mixed attackers and Expert Belt Pokemon attempting to bluff a Choice Scarf. Stall teams are appreciative of its potency against offensive teams, though such teams are cramped for Pokemon as it is and usually cannot afford space for Wobbuffet. The point therein is that Wobbuffet is a wasted Pokemon if its teammates are not exploiting its destructive capabilities.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Speedy
    move 1: Encore
    move 2: Tickle
    move 3: Mirror Coat
    move 4: Counter
    item: Leftovers
    ability: Shadow Tag
    nature: Bold / Calm
    evs: 252 Def / 76 SpD / 180 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>While this set has a bit of trouble switching in due to its lesser bulk in comparison to the previous set, it also survives an entirely different role. Instead of just doing well against offensive teams, this Wobbuffet has enough Speed investment to outrun Blissey and other slower walls, as well as while still functioning decently against weak attackers and Choice Scarf users. As opposed to the more conservative play of bulky Wobbuffet, more aggressive play is utilized, which of course entails prediction; however, this makes it all the more deadly, especially in the hands of a skilled player. While CounterCoat still makes an appearance on this set, they take a backseat to the masterful combination of Tickle and Encore. Encore is still useful for disrupting opposing setup sweepers, though do take note that this set will have a bit of trouble tanking powerful boosted hits. However, it being used in conjunction with Tickle is what makes it so dangerous, as Tickle weakens walls for its teammates while Encore makes them unable to use their desired recovery move or entry hazard, which combines for a Wobbuffet that strikes fear in the heart of almost every wall ever seen in OU.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>180 Speed EVs allow Wobbuffet to outrun some slow walls such as Chansey, Blissey, and Ferrothorn, as well as Conkeldurr and Reuniclus. The remaining EVs are distributed into Wobbuffet's defenses so as to optimize them. A Bold nature is preferred to take the more common physical attacks a bit better, but Calm is also very viable to allow Wobbuffet to take some special attacks such as Air Balloon Heatran's Fire Blast, Life Orb Latios's Draco Meteor, and Life Orb Hydreigon's Draco Meteor. A Timid nature along with 232 Speed EVs is an option to outrun Politoed and Skarmory that lack Speed investment, though Skarmory usually runs Speed EVs of its own anyway and additional investment in Speed ruins Wobbuffet's optimized defenses.</p>

    <p>Although this Wobbuffet set has its advantages, it also has a curse that comes with it&mdash;a need for support. Dugtrio and/or Pursuit support is required, as otherwise Tickle is a wasted commodity and thus the point of this set is thrown out the window. Pursuit support can come in the form of Tyranitar or Scizor. Moving away from the necessary support, this Wobbuffet also has some additional uses for its teammates. All walls and Choice Scarf users meet their peril against Wobbuffet, so offensive Pokemon and offensive teams in general pair well with it. This set is also helpful for stall teams, as they often struggle against opposing stall teams. The needed support is off-balanced by the newfound use of defeating walls, so do not let that deter you from utilizing this set.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Wobbuffet literally has two other moves that could see the light of day&mdash;Destiny Bond and Charm. Unfortunately for Wobbuffet, this is the only place where its mediocre Speed stat really lets it down, as both moves really require Speed to function best. Charm is not a great move anyway, and if you want Destiny Bond that badly then I draw your attention to Gengar and Froslass.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>If the complete definition of a counter is taken into account, then technically Wobbuffet has zero counters because nothing can actually switch into Wobbuffet except under very specific circumstances. Of course, if this was the case then Wobbuffet would surely have been banished to Ubers like in the last two generations. The rise of Shed Shell users such as Heatran and Ninetales to keep up with the rampant Dugtrio usage means that the number of Pokemon able to be trapped by Wobbuffet is slowly decreasing. The prevalence of U-turn and Volt Switch allows many Pokemon to escape Wobbuffet's wrath, but unless a Ghost-type is brought in with U-turn or a Dark-type with Volt Switch, the new Pokemon will be faced with losing their pristine condition a ton of health via Counter or Mirror Coat. U-turn is particularly lethal when used with a Tyranitar carrying Pursuit, as then Wobbuffet is put in a checkmate position. Baton Pass functions in a similar fashion but does not run the risk of the Pokemon sent out being hit by Counter or Mirror Coat. Speaking of Dark- and Ghost-types, they are immune to Mirror Coat and Counter, respectively. If you want specifics, this makes Hydreigon the best Wobbuffet "counter" in the business.</p>

    <p>There are still a bunch more countermeasures to Wobbuffet left to discuss. The first and most notable solution is for when all else fails to throw an array of powerful attacks Wobbuffet's way. These will deter it from switching in, as it would risk being 2HKOed. Examples include Life Orb Genesect's Bug Buzz, Life Orb Scizor's Bug Bite, Life Orb Volcarona's Bug Buzz, Choice Band Victini's V-create in sun, and Choice Specs Keldeo's Hydro Pump in rain. If you have a mixed attacker, take advantage of that and play mindgames with Wobbuffet. This can potentially cause Wobbuffet to die using Encore or desperately attempting to get off a Counter or Mirror Coat. A fast Taunt prevents Encore, forcing Wobbuffet to blindly use CounterCoat. Tornadus (both formes) and Sableye work well for this. Magic Bounce reflects Tickle and Encore, giving Wobbuffet a taste of its own medicine. Status, most notably Toxic, wears down Wobbuffet very quickly because of its lack of recovery outside of Leftovers. Entry hazards lessen Wobbuffet's ability to switch in and out multiple times to sponge hits without worry. If your Pokemon do not posses any of these traits, just go for the move that is least exploitable for setup bait, such as Leech Seed, Reflect, Light Screen, or Substitute. Generally, utilizing every method at your disposal to wear down Wobbuffet will do the trick, as then it is prevented from effectively meddling with your team.</p>


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    [Overview]

    <p>Looming Lurking in the mystical dark trenches of BL ["mystical trenches" makes no sense... I could understand "murky trenches", but is there something specific you're trying to get across here? I'd also change "looming" to "lurking" or similar since you don't tend to loom when you're in a trench.], Wobbuffet is often pushed aside in favor of its more offensively orientated Shadow Tag-sporting cousin, Gothitelle. However, assuming it's to assume that it is outclassed is incorrect unwise; instead rather, its mighty bulk,(comma) which that allows it to tank even the most powerful of attacks, minuscule movepool brimming with perfection to properly make use of Shadow Tag, and ability to efficiently defeat Choice item users makes it arguably the better Shadow Tag Pokemon. The two play different roles entirely&mdash;Wobbuffet is best on bulky offense and balance balanced teams because of its ability to beat Choice item users, while Gothitelle is best better on hyper offense teams due to its wide selection of attacks and decent Special Attack stat. Unfortunately, a A lack of recovery, being completely stopped by Taunt, the generation's power creep, and the lowering of Encore's duration from since DPP prevents BL's resident telekinetic from flipping OU upside down and being banished to Ubers like in DPP and ADV before it. BW brought with it many impediments new problems for everyone's most loved (or hated if you think like that) trapper, but it can still perform with a reliability unmatched by any other trapper.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Oh No, It's Wobbuffet! (Bulky)
    move 1: Encore
    move 2: Mirror Coat
    move 3: Counter
    move 4: Safeguard
    item: Leftovers
    ability: Shadow Tag
    nature: Bold / Calm
    evs: 28 HP / 232 Def / 248 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Since the long-forgotten days of ADV, Wobbuffet has been besting its opposition with this set, and subsequently consequentially was banished to Ubers with little controversy. While Wobbuffet has not changed one bit, the Pokemon around it have become more fierce and have pushed the telekinetic fiend down to the no man's land known as BL. Regardless, Wobbuffet can still perform as a stellar trapper,(comma) and that can take advantage of essentially any Pokemon that may confront it. The goal of this set is very simple&mdash;switch Wobbuffet in so that the opposing Pokemon is trapped and either KO it with Counter or Mirror Coat or give a teammate free turns to set up. Gothitelle, Wobbuffet's main rival, struggles to efficiently deal with Choice item users, while Wobbuffet has numerous a number of traits that allow it to prevail against most. Counter and Mirror Coat, henceforth referred to as CounterCoat, are moves that Wobbuffet was built to utilize. Its enormous HP stat and low defenses mean that it loses a ton of HP when it takes attacks,(comma) but still remains in a decent range of health relatively healthy or at the very least survives the hit. This often makes CounterCoat a guaranteed OHKO against any Pokemon with decent offensive stats. The next move is a move one that can claim almost sole responsibility for Wobbuffet's notoriety,(comma) and that has been built upon throughout three generations&mdash;Encore. Encore allows Wobbuffet to give the free turns to its teammates that it is famous for. Although it was nerfed in the transition to BW with a reduction in duration to three turns, this is still more than enough time for teammates to set up in. Safeguard wraps up the set mainly as filler, but it prevents Wobbuffet and its teammates from being crippled by status for a few turns, which is especially helpful if a setup set-up sweeper or wall is waiting in the wings.</p>

    <p>The beauty of having both Encore and CounterCoat on the same set is that the combination enables Wobbuffet to escape any mindgames that it might be faced with. There are two main archetypes of Pokemon that Wobbuffet is likely to be trapping&mdash;Choice item users and Pokemon with non-attacking moves. The latter group is troublesome with given that CounterCoat as is Wobbuffet's only form of "offense", as an opposing sweeper setting up or behind a Substitute renders them untouchable by said moves. However,(comma) with Encore in play, the use of these moves is a liability with Wobbuffet on the other side of the field. It also prevents issues with mixed attackers, as they would otherwise be able to play around with Wobbuffet between their physical and special attacks. Lastly, being a threat to both Substitute users, set-up sweepers, and Choice item users makes Wobbuffet a living hell for offense.</p>

    [may want to mention the whole "do I Encore or CounterCoat?" mindgame - that if they use Encore as the opponent attacks, Wobb may be 2HKOed, etc - quite important imo]

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The given EV spread hits a Leftovers bonus number and optimizes Wobbuffet's ability to take any hits that may come its way. A Bold nature is chosen to ensure that Genesect does not receive an Attack boost from Download and thus makes it so that Wobbuffet can more easily take U-turns from OU's robotic king. It also allows Wobbuffet to survive a Crunch from Choice Band Tyranitar from full health and an Outrage from Haxorus after damage from Stealth Rock and one layer of Spikes. The boost to Defense also makes Wobbuffet's defenses more even, which is optimal for a Pokemon meant to take a myriad of attacks from both sides both physical and special. A Calm nature would allow Wobbuffet to take a Bug Buzz from Life Orb Volcarona at full health, but it would also unbalance Wobbuffet's defenses and has absolutely no use outside of taking that one hit.</p>

    <p>Wobbuffet is not one of those Pokemon that you need to support; rather, it should be supporting its teammates. A Wish passer is the only notable way to support Wobbuffet, as Wish allows Wobbuffet to stick around for much longer and thus to continue with its meddlesome ways. Chansey and Blissey are best for the job because they are immune to Ghost-type attacks, while Wobbuffet returns the favor by trapping and KOing yhr the ever common Fighting-types in OU,(comma) bar some Conkeldurr. This set lends itself to supporting set-up sweepers, such as Salamence and Breloom, who fear being revenge killed at any moment every moment of being revenge killed [not entirely sure what you're trying to say here?]. This makes them prime candidates for teammates. The same can be said of mixed attackers and Expert Belt Pokemon attempting to bluff a Choice Scarf [why these in particular? Explain.]. Stall teams are appreciative of its potency against offensive teams, though such teams are cramped for Pokemon as it is and usually cannot afford space for Wobbuffet. The point therein is that Wobbuffet is a wasted Pokemon if its teammates are not exploiting its destructive capabilities.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Speedy
    move 1: Encore
    move 2: Tickle
    move 3: Mirror Coat
    move 4: Counter
    item: Leftovers
    ability: Shadow Tag
    nature: Bold / Calm
    evs: 252 Def / 76 SpD / 180 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>While this set has a bit of trouble switching in due to its lesser lower bulk, this Wobbuffet it has enough Speed investment to outrun Blissey and other slower walls, while still functioning decently against weak attackers and Choice Scarf users. As opposed to the more conservative play of bulky Wobbuffet, more aggressive play is utilized here, which of course entails prediction; however, this makes it all the more deadly, especially in the hands of a skilled player. While CounterCoat still makes an appearance on this set, they take a backseat to the masterful combination of Tickle and Encore. Encore is useful for disrupting opposing set-up sweepers, though do take note that this set will have a bit of trouble tanking powerful boosted hits. However, it being used in conjunction with Tickle is what makes it so dangerous, as Tickle weakens walls for its teammates while Encore makes them unable to use their desired recovery move or entry hazard, which combines for a Wobbuffet that strikes fear in into the heart of almost every wall ever seen in OU.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>180 Speed EVs allow Wobbuffet to outrun some slow walls such as Chansey, Blissey, and Ferrothorn, as well as Conkeldurr and Reuniclus. The remaining EVs are distributed into Wobbuffet's defenses. A Bold nature is preferred to take the more common physical attacks a bit better, but Calm is also very viable to allow Wobbuffet to take some special attacks such as Air Balloon Heatran's Fire Blast, Life Orb Latios's Draco Meteor, and Life Orb Hydreigon's Draco Meteor. A Timid nature along with 232 Speed EVs is an option to outrun Politoed and Skarmory that lack Speed investment, though Skarmory usually runs Speed EVs of its own anyway and additional investment in Speed ruins Wobbuffet's optimized defenses.</p>

    <p>Although this Wobbuffet set has its advantages, it also has a curse that comes with it&mdash;a need for support. Dugtrio and/or Pursuit support is required, as otherwise Tickle is a wasted commodity and thus the point of this set is thrown out of the window. Pursuit support can come in the form of Tyranitar or Scizor. Moving away from the necessary support, this Wobbuffet also has some additional uses for its teammates. All walls and Choice Scarf users meet their peril doom against Wobbuffet, so offensive Pokemon and offensive teams in general pair well with it. This set is also helpful for stall teams, as they often struggle against opposing stall teams. The needed necessary support is off-balanced counterbalanced [or "offset", whichever you prefer] by the newfound use of defeating walls, so do not let that deter you from utilizing this set.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Wobbuffet literally has only two other moves that could see the light of day&mdash;Destiny Bond and Charm. Unfortunately for Wobbuffet, this is the only place where its mediocre Speed stat really lets it down, as both moves really require Speed to function best. Charm is not a great move anyway, and if you want Destiny Bond that badly then I draw direct your attention to Gengar and Froslass.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>If the complete definition of a counter is taken into account, then technically Wobbuffet has zero counters because nothing can actually switch into Wobbuffet except under very specific circumstances. Of course, if this was were the case then Wobbuffet would surely have been banished to Ubers like in the last two generations. The rise of Shed Shell users such as Heatran and Ninetales to keep up with the rampant Dugtrio usage means that the number of Pokemon able to be trapped by Wobbuffet is slowly decreasing. The prevalence of U-turn and Volt Switch allows many Pokemon to escape Wobbuffet's wrath, but unless a Ghost-type is brought in with U-turn or a Dark-type with Volt Switch, the new Pokemon will be faced with losing a ton of health via Counter or Mirror Coat. U-turn is particularly lethal when used with a Tyranitar carrying Pursuit, as then Wobbuffet is put in a checkmate position [surely Volt Switch in that instance?]. Baton Pass functions in a similar fashion but does not run the risk of the Pokemon sent out being hit by Counter or Mirror Coat. Speaking of Dark- and Ghost-types, they are immune to Mirror Coat and Counter, respectively [you just said that...]. If you want specifics, this makes Hydreigon the best Wobbuffet "counter" in the business.</p>

    <p>There are still a bunch more of other countermeasures to Wobbuffet left to discuss. The first and most notable solution is for when all else fails simply to throw an array of powerful attacks in Wobbuffet's way direction. These will deter it from switching in, as it would risk being 2HKOed. Examples include Life Orb Genesect's Bug Buzz, Life Orb Scizor's Bug Bite, Life Orb Volcarona's Bug Buzz, Choice Band Victini's V-create in sun, and Choice Specs Keldeo's Hydro Pump in rain. If you have a mixed attacker, take advantage of that fact and play mindgames with Wobbuffet. This can potentially cause Wobbuffet to die using Encore or desperately attempting to get off a Counter or Mirror Coat. A fast Taunt prevents Encore, forcing Wobbuffet to blindly use CounterCoat. Tornadus (both formes) and Sableye work well for this. Magic Bounce reflects back Tickle and Encore, giving Wobbuffet a taste of its own medicine. Status, most notably Toxic, wears down Wobbuffet very quickly because of its lack of recovery outside of Leftovers. Entry hazards lessen Wobbuffet's ability to switch in and out multiple times to sponge hits without worry. If your Pokemon do not posses possess any of these traits, just go for the move that is least exploitable for setup bait, such as Leech Seed, Reflect, Light Screen, or Substitute. Generally, utilizing every method at your disposal to wear down Wobbuffet will do the trick, as then it is prevented from effectively meddling with your team.</p>


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