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Wormadam Grass

Discussion in 'Uploaded Analyses' started by breh, Dec 24, 2011.

  1. breh

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    [Overview]

    <p>Wormadam is one of the many forgotten Pokemon that reside in NU. Any natural bulk it might have had as a result of its passable defenses is neutered by its poor HP; Wormadam's other stats range from mediocre to awful. Additionally, its typing does it few favors, granting it an unfortunate weakness to Stealth Rock and a variety of common attacking types, including a 4x weakness to Fire- and Flying-type moves. As if life was not difficult enough for the bagworm, its movepool is incredibly shallow. As a result, stronger Grass-types such as Exeggutor outclass Wormadam, as it can do little to differentiate itself from the rest.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Choice Specs
    move 1: Leaf Storm
    move 2: Giga Drain
    move 3: Signal Beam
    move 4: Hidden Power Ice / Hidden Power Rock
    item: Choice Specs
    ability: Anticipation
    nature: Modest
    evs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Wormadam, although incapable of taking hits as it is, can still pull off a somewhat effective offensive set. Choice Specs grants Wormadam great power and Leaf Storm is the perfect move to abuse it with, thanks to its astronomical Base Power. Giga Drain heals some of the damage that Wormadam has taken while still packing a respectable punch. Signal Beam is Wormadam's secondary STAB move; additionally, it scores a super effective hit on Grass-types such as Tangela that resist Wormadam's primary STAB moves. Hidden Power Ice gives Wormadam a way to deal with Altaria, while Hidden Power Rock does the same but gives Wormadam an option against Fire-types.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The EVs and nature maximize Wormadam's Special Attack and its bulk; the 4 EVs that remain are put into its better defensive stat. Wormadam appreciates support from Rapid Spinners such as Armaldo and Cryogonal; the fewer entry hazards it has to deal with, the longer it lives. Fire-types burn Wormadam to a crisp; as a result, it appreciates the aid of Pokemon that can sponge Fire-type moves—Camerupt, for example.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Wormadam can use Toxic to damage walls that it otherwise has trouble with. A set consisting of Toxic / Protect / Giga Drain / Synthesis is possible, but a bit too hopeful. Shadow Ball hits Misdreavus hard and does not force Wormadam into Leaf Storm, which lowers the chance that Wormadam will become setup fodder. Endeavor can be used as a last ditch attempt at inflicting damage.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Fire-types pose an issue for Wormadam in general; however, for all of them bar Flareon, switching into Leaf Storm twice means death, especially with Stealth Rock up. Bulky Ice-types, such as Cryogonal, Regice, and Articuno, simply ignore Wormadam unless it has Hidden Power Rock. In a tier as slow as NU, where Pokemon with base 40 Speed run rampant, Wormadam is unlucky enough to be the holder of a particularly awful 36 base Speed, meaning that almost every Pokemon with a super effective move has a shot at KOing the bagworm. In general, after Wormadam uses its first Leaf Storm, it loses a lot of its bite and becomes setup fodder for anything that resists Grass-type moves.</p>
  2. ChaoticaMortis

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    Running Giga Drain, wouldn't it be more profitable investing in a defense stat instead to get more healing?
    Would Overcoat be viable? Not taking Hail or Sandstorm damage would be semi-useful.
    This thing really doesn't have much going for it. I guess you could always try Skill Swap as a gimmicky way to get a better ability? Growth could raise your stats and let you switch moves...but it's not surviving long enough to get any boosts in is it? It has Sucker Punch but a lol Atk stat...
    This looks about as good as its going to get for Wormadam-Ass.
  3. waterwarrior

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    With Hail banned and Sandstorm being non-existent in the first place, theres no use for it. At least you can run Anticipation to scout a movepool

    EDIT: you also put Roselia and Meganium under checks and counters, then say why they're not reliable checks. Move it to AC of the Specs set
  4. breh

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    On Overcoat: Hail is gone and it's illegal with Giga Drain.
    On counters: Got rid of Meganium, mentioned that Roselia can come in on anything but psychic
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  6. breh

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    Thanks tennisace!
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    xD

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  9. breh

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    OK, I'll write this up tomorrow if I'm not lazy (a very unlikely situation). whenever tier shifts occur lol. Thanks for the checks!
  10. breh

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    Ok, wrote this up. Ready for GP!
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    Amateur GP Check (open)
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    [Overview]
    <p>Wormadam is but one of the many forgotten Pokemon that reside in NU. Any natural bulk it might have had as a result of its passable defenses is neutered by its poor HP; Wormadam's other stats range from mediocre to awful. Additionally, its typing does it few favors and grants it weaknesses to Stealth Rock and a variety of common attacking types. As if life was not difficult enough for the bagworm, its movepool is incredibly shallow. As a result, stronger Grass-types like Exeggutor outclass Wormadam, which can do little to differentiate itself from the rest.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Choice Specs
    move 1: Leaf Storm
    move 2: Giga Drain
    move 3: Signal Beam
    move 4: Hidden Power Ice / Hidden Power Rock
    item: Choice Specs
    Ability: Anticipation
    Nature: Modest
    evs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]
    <p>Because Wormadam's defensive prowess is lacking, a more offensive route is the best that it can do Wormadam, incapable of taking hits as it is, can still pull off a somewhat effective offensive set. Choice Specs grants Wormadam great power, and Leaf Storm is the perfect move to abuse it with, given its huge astronomical Base Power. Giga Drain is useful to recover a bit of damage that has been done to Wormadam and still packs a bit of a punch heals some of the damage that Wormadam has taken while still packing a respectible punch. Signal Beam is Wormadam's secondary STAB and gets a super effective hit on Grass-types like Tangela , scoring super effective hits on Grass-types that resist Wormadam's primary attacks. Hidden Power Ice gives Wormadam a way to deal with Altaria; Hidden Power Rock does the same, but gives Wormadam an option against Fire-types.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
    <p>The EVs and nature simply maximize Wormadam's Special Attack and its bulk; the 4 EVs that remain are put into its better defensive stat. Wormadam appreciates support from Rapid Spinners like , such as Armaldo and Cryogonal; the fewer entry hazards it has to deal with, the longer it lives. Fire-types burn Wormadam to a crisp; as a result, it appreciates the aid of Pokemon that can sponge Fire-type moves&mdash;Camerupt, for example.</p>

    [Other Options]
    <p>Wormadam can use Toxic to damage walls that it cannot touch without the move couldn't harm otherwise. A wall set consisting of Toxic/Protect/Giga Drain / Synthesis is possible, but a bit too hopeful. Shadow Ball hits Misdreavus hard and does not force Wormadam into Leaf Storm. Endeavor can be used as a last ditch attempt at damage.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]
    <p>Fire-types pose an issue for Wormadam in general; however, for all of them, switching into Leaf Storm twice, especially with Stealth Rock up, means death. Bulky Ice-types, like Cryogonal, Regice, and Articuno, however, simply ignore Wormadam unless it has Hidden Power Rock. In a tier as slow as NU, where Pokemon with base 40 Speed run rampant, Wormadam is unlucky enough to be the holder of a particularly awful 36 base Speed, meaning that almost every Pokemon with a super effective move has a shot at KOing the bagworm. In general, after Wormadam uses its first Leaf Storm, it loses a lot of its bite; at that point, it becomes setup fodder for anything that's not weak to Grass-type moves.</p>
  12. Jellicent

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    Nitpick: Don't add that comma in the second sentence of AC
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    1/2 Good work, Terrador!
  13. breh

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    Ok, made fixes. Thanks Jellicent and Terrador!
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    Amateur done....

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    [Overview]
    (ADD SPACE)
    <p>Wormadam is but one of the many forgotten Pokemon that reside in NU. Any natural bulk it might have had as a result of its passable defenses is neutered by its poor HP; Wormadam's other stats range from mediocre to awful. Additionally, its typing does it few favors, and grants while granting it an unfortunate weaknesses to Stealth Rock and a variety of common attacking types. As if life was not difficult enough for the bagworm, its movepool is incredibly shallow. As a result, stronger Grass-types like such as Exeggutor outclass Wormadam, which as it can do little to differentiate itself from the rest.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Choice Specs
    move 1: Leaf Storm
    move 2: Giga Drain
    move 3: Signal Beam
    move 4: Hidden Power Ice / Hidden Power Rock
    item: Choice Specs
    Ability: Anticipation
    Nature: Modest
    evs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]
    (ADD SPACE)
    <p>Wormadam, incapable of taking hits as it is, can still pull off a somewhat effective offensive set. Choice Specs grants Wormadam great power and Leaf Storm is the perfect move to abuse it with, given its astranomical astronomical Base Power. Giga Drain heals some of the damage that Wormadam has taken while still packing a respectible respectable punch. Signal Beam is Wormadam's secondary STAB and gets a super effective hit on Grass-types like Tangela and that scores a super effective hits on Grass-types, such as Tangela, that resist Wormadam's primary attacks STAB move. Hidden Power Ice gives Wormadam a way to deal with Altaria; Hidden Power Rock does the same, but gives while also giving Wormadam an option against Fire-types.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
    (ADD SPACE)
    <p>The EVs and nature simply maximize Wormadam's Special Attack and its bulk; the 4 EVs that remain are put into its better defensive stat. Wormadam appreciates support from Rapid Spinners such as Armaldo and Cryogonal; the fewer entry hazards it has to deal with, the longer it lives. Fire-types burn Wormadam to a crisp; as a result, it appreciates the aid of Pokemon that can sponge Fire-type moves(remove space)(remove space)Camerupt, for example.</p>

    [Other Options]
    (ADD SPACE)
    <p>Wormadam can use Toxic to damage walls that it otherwise has trouble harming otherwise. A wall set consisting of Toxic / Protect / Giga Drain / Synthesis is possible, but a bit too hopeful. Shadow Ball hits Misdreavus hard and does not force Wormadam into Leaf Storm(What does 'does not force Womodam into Leaf Storm' mean?). Endeavor can be used as a last ditch attempt at inflicting damage.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]
    (ADD SPACE)
    <p>Fire-types pose an issue for Wormadam in general; however, for all of them, switching into Leaf Storm twice, especially with Stealth Rock up, means death.(Are you sure this is for every Fire-type in NU?) Bulky Ice-types(add comma) like such as Cryogonal, Regice, and Articuno(add comma) simply ignore Wormadam unless it has Hidden Power Rock. In a tier as slow as NU, where Pokemon with base 40 Speed run rampant, Wormadam is unlucky enough to be the holder of a particularly awful 36 base Speed, meaning that almost every Pokemon with a super effective move has a shot at KOing the bagworm. In general, after Wormadam uses its first Leaf Storm, it loses a lot of its bite and becomes setup fodder for anything that's not weak to resists Grass-type moves.</p>
  15. RitterCat

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    great check, just make 'resist' into 'resists' in the last sentence

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  16. Omicron

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    Actually I have a few nitpicks before this gets uploaded. I'll edit my post tomorrow.

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    [Overview]

    <p>Wormadam is but one of the many forgotten Pokemon that reside in NU. Any natural bulk it might have had as a result of its passable defenses is neutered by its poor HP; Wormadam's other stats range from mediocre to awful. Additionally, its typing does it few favors, granting it an unfortunate weakness to Stealth Rock and a variety of common attacking types, including a 4x weakness to Fire- and Flying-type moves. As if life was not difficult enough for the bagworm, its movepool is incredibly shallow. As a result, stronger Grass-types such as Exeggutor outclass Wormadam, as it can do little to differentiate itself from the rest.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Choice Specs
    move 1: Leaf Storm
    move 2: Giga Drain
    move 3: Signal Beam
    move 4: Hidden Power Ice / Hidden Power Rock
    item: Choice Specs
    ability: Anticipation
    nature: Modest
    evs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Wormadam, although incapable of taking hits as it is, can still pull off a somewhat effective offensive set. Choice Specs grants Wormadam great power and Leaf Storm is the perfect move to abuse it with, thanks to given its astronomical Base Power. Giga Drain heals some of the damage that Wormadam has taken while still packing a respectable punch. Signal Beam is Wormadam's secondary STAB move; additionally, it scores a super effective hit on Grass-types such as Tangela that resist Wormadam's primary STAB moves. Hidden Power Ice gives Wormadam a way to deal with Altaria; while Hidden Power Rock does the same, but gives Wormadam an option against Fire-types.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The EVs and nature simply maximize Wormadam's Special Attack and its bulk; the 4 EVs that remain are put into its better defensive stat. Wormadam appreciates support from Rapid Spinners users such as Armaldo and Cryogonal; the fewer entry hazards it has to deal with, the longer it lives. Fire-types burn Wormadam to a crisp; as a result, it appreciates the aid of Pokemon that can sponge Fire-type moves—Camerupt, for example.</p>

    [Other Options]
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    <p>Wormadam can use Toxic to damage walls that it otherwise has trouble with harming. A wall set consisting of Toxic / Protect / Giga Drain / Synthesis is possible, but a bit too hopeful. Shadow Ball hits Misdreavus hard and does not force Wormadam into Leaf Storm, which lowers the chance that Wormadam will become setup fodder. Endeavor can be used as a last ditch attempt at inflicting damage.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]
    <line break>
    <p>Fire-types pose an issue for Wormadam in general; however, for all of them bar Flareon, switching into Leaf Storm twice means death, especially with Stealth Rock up, means death. Bulky Ice-types, such as Cryogonal, Regice, and Articuno, simply ignore Wormadam unless it has Hidden Power Rock. In a tier as slow as NU, where Pokemon with base 40 Speed run rampant, Wormadam is unlucky enough to be the holder of a particularly awful 36 base Speed, meaning that almost every Pokemon with a super effective move has a shot at KOing the bagworm. In general, after Wormadam uses its first Leaf Storm, it loses a lot of its bite and becomes setup fodder for anything that resists Grass-type moves.</p>
  17. breh

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    I'll wait for Omicron before changing the title.

    Leaf Storm does actually 2HKO most reasonable fire types, bar flareon (which I added).
  18. breh

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    ok, fixed errors I was too stupid to find the first time around. Thanks Omicron!

    tagging as done.
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