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Wormadam [QC 3/3] [GP 2/2]

Discussion in 'Uploaded Analyses' started by Pearl., Mar 1, 2012.

  1. Pearl.

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    Wormadam

    [Overview]

    <p>When people think of Wormadam, what usually comes to their mind is something in the same vein as Spinda or Unown. However, with above average defensive stats, respectable power when equipped with Choice Specs, and a type combination shared only by the Parasect and Leavanny lines, Wormadam is actually a force to be reckoned with in RU. Unlike what most would guess, she isn't outclassed by any offensive Grass-type Pokemon at all due to her Bug typing and much higher bulk, allowing her to put some of the most common Pokemon in the tier, such as Sharpedo, Poliwrath, and Rotom-C, in check. Furthermore, a Choice Specs-boosted Leaf Storm is surprisingly strong, leaving even Pokemon that resist it in a world of pain. Not everything is a bed of roses for Wormadam, though. The typing that sets her apart from other offensive Grass-types also leaves her extremely vulnerable to Fire-, Flying-, Ice-, and Rock-type attacks, all of which are very common in RU. Factor in her low base Speed too, and she becomes, relatively easy to revenge kill. Despite all of that, underestimating Wormadam is a huge mistake because she can actually pull her weight in battle.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Choice Specs
    move 1: Leaf Storm
    move 2: Giga Drain
    move 3: Signal Beam
    move 4: Hidden Power Rock
    item: Choice Specs
    ability: Anticipation
    nature: Modest
    evs: 216 HP / 252 SpA / 40 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This is Wormadam's only reliable set in RU, which focuses on her usable Special Attack stat, respectable bulk, and typing, all of which give her the opportunity to be easily brought in against common Pokemon in the tier, such as Slowking, and then proceed to wreak havoc. Leaf Storm is her main STAB move, dealing considerable damage even to some of the Pokemon that resist it, such as Rotom-C; its only disadvantage is that it forces her to switch out due to the Special Attack drop it causes. Giga Drain is a more consistent Grass-type STAB attack and can also be used as a form of recovery; however, it should only be used when Leaf Storm's raw power isn't needed anymore, since Wormadam is meant to hit and run. Signal Beam complements her other STAB moves well, hitting the Grass-type Pokemon that resist them for super effective damage. Hidden Power Rock rounds out Wormadam's coverage, denting the Fire- and Flying-type Pokemon such as Moltres and Entei that resist all of her other moves.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>On the last moveslot, one can opt for Psychic, Shadow Ball or even another type of Hidden Power for coverage instead of Hidden Power Rock. However, the coverage the latter gives is too good to pass up. If being locked in a single move is unappreciated, just use another offensive Grass-type Pokemon such as Rotom-C or Sceptile instead, as Wormadam's damage output is underwhelming without Choice Specs. The chosen EVs give her all the power she can get and the ability to outrun Rhydon that lack Speed investment while keeping her relatively bulky at the same time. Running 252 Speed EVs is an option, but it'll end up being useless most of the time, since Wormadam is still slow and the loss in bulk is noticeable.</p>

    <p>As Wormadam is weak to Stealth Rock, pairing her with spinners is crucial. Kabutops and Claydol are arguably the best Pokemon for that job, as they also have good synergy with Wormadam. Furthermore, they can stop some of the Pokemon that counter her well such as Clefable and Entei. Wish support from the likes of Clefable and Alomomola is also appreciated, since she will be switching in and out a lot during a battle. Wormadam also likes to have powerful Pokemon that can dent stall by her side; her best teammate for that is Moltres, since even Pokemon like Slowking will fall once Spikes are laid. It also has good synergy, both defensively and offensively, with Wormadam, taking the Fire-type moves directed at her and luring the likes of Munchlax, Clefable, and Lickilicky</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Wormadam has a decent list of other options; however, most of them are outclassed by other Pokemon in RU. With access to a recovery move in Synthesis and great bulk, she can run a defensive set, but Tangrowth outclasses Wormadam. Her physical movepool is interesting, having attacks such as Bug Bite, Seed Bomb, and Sucker Punch, but her base Attack is too low for her to go physical or even mixed. She can run a Life Orb or Leftovers on her first and only set, but she'll miss lots of important KOs without Choice Specs, making it a bad idea.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>When countering Wormadam, one should always have in mind that she shouldn't be underestimated, regardless of circumstances. Due to her above average bulk, she can take attacks such as non-STAB Ice Beams and proceed to OHKO whatever used it back. Despite that, she is relatively easy to revenge kill, due to her low base Speed and 4x weaknesses to Fire- and Flying-type moves. Specially defensive Pokemon such as Munchlax, Clefable, and Lickilicky, to an extent, can cripple Wormadam with Toxic, take a Leaf Storm or two, rack up damage on her with their damaging move of choice, and recover their HP back with Rest, Softboiled, and Wish, respectively. Fire- and Flying-types can take Wormadam's STAB attacks and OHKO her right of the bat with their own STAB moves, but they must be wary of Hidden Power Rock. Keeping Stealth Rock on the field ensures that Wormadam will not last long enough to deal damage. Also, since Wormadam is usually choice-locked into a move, playing around her with resistances is a good idea to compound the residual damage that Stealth Rock causes. Grass-type Pokemon such as Tangrowth and Lilligant can be brought in against Leaf Storm and Giga Drain, but Signal Beam will OHKO most of them. Fighting-type Pokemon such as Hitmonchan can easily take a Signal Beam or two, but Leaf Storm will easily dent them.</p>
  2. Pearl.

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    So, this is my first full lenght analysis, and since Wormadam is definitively a controversial Pokemon in RU, I'm going to reserve this post (since I don't like to have anything written before or after the skeleton for organization's sake) so I can post logs of her in action later, in case it's needed. I apologise for my opponents' lack of skill in advance though, since the ladder isn't really the best place to test stuff.

    My alt to test Wormadam is Love Will Never Do (which is also my Dark Horse alt). The logs will be here:

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    I think Wormadam could deserve a RU analysis, but is it outclassed by Levanny?

    Other than 9 more SpA as the base stats, Giga Drain, and the ability anticipation it doesn't have much to distance itself from Levanny

    Levanny @ Choice Specs
    Modest (swarm)
    252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 Spe (or 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe for being faster with less bulk)

    Leaf Storm
    Bug Buzz
    Energy Ball
    HP rock / ice

    It is faster with a better Bug STAB to offset the slight power loss. It will also be more powerful when swarm activates.
  4. Pearl.

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    @ lars

    It's funny because almost everything said in the analysis about other offensive Grass-types also applies to Leavanny. There's a considerable difference between 70 and 79 base Special Attack, and the extra bulk helps Wormadam a lot in her role, allowing her to stop stuff such as Rotom-C much better and giving her more chances to switch in. Leavanny should be left with Swords Dance sets.
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    In the overview you were saying the main reason it was not outclassed was due to its secondary STAB and better bulk.

    Leavanny has the same second STAB and while its bulk is slightly worse (rotom-c volt switch max of 22% vs 17%) its much better speed would mean it doesn't always have to take hits and wouldn't lose to Rhydon, etc.

    As I said, Wormadam probably deserves a RU analysis; You just didn't even mention Leavanny in the analysis which is arguably the most direct competitor to it.
  6. Pearl.

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    gonna edit the skeleton to give leavanny a mention after dinner. also, wormadam only loses to rhydon if it's investing in speed, since with the evs i gave wormadam, it can easily outrun defensive variants of it.
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    lol, I actually did use Wormadam for a bit Pearl, and I'll agree that it really isn't that bad (then again I say support Ledian is not bad lol). When I used it, I actually decided to use this instead of Choice Specs though:

    Wormadam (F) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Anticipation
    EVs: 216 HP / 252 SAtk / 40 Spd
    Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
    - Giga Drain / Leaf Storm
    - Signal Beam
    - Synthesis
    - Hidden Power [Rock]

    Basically, the key difference is Synthesis and Leftovers over one of Wormadam's Grass-moves and Choice Specs. This allows Wormadam to act as a more reliable check to certain Pokemon while hitting reasonably hard, though her low BP moves really hurt (why does this thing not get Bug Buzz). That being said, it hits hard and sticks around for a decent while, and those resistances are nothing to scoff at, since Wormadam actually can deal with stuff like Poliwrath consistently. This set definitely deserves an AC mention.

    I'm not really that sold on Wormadam since her typing is kinda meh and Signal Beam sucks for a secondary STAB, but Choice Specs Wormadam actually is a pretty decent Pokemon, since I will say that Choice Specs Wormadam hits REALLY hard with Leaf Storm, and it's actually a pretty cool option since Signal Beam butchers Grass-type switch-ins and HP Rock nails those Fire-types. Also, Wormadam at least has some nice resistances to abuse to, which makes switching in somewhat easier, and she has excellent bulk to support that. The Stealth Rock weaknesses sucks, but Wormadam's really makes a nice tank with some unique factors. It still faces some heavy competition from some stuff like Vileplume (Sludge Bomb hits most of the stuff Signal Beam does), though Wormadam at least has some perks over them in her typing.

    Calcs for Choice Specs Wormadam (open)
    Leaf Storm vs 248 / 116+ Slowking: 103.82% - 122.14%
    Leaf Storm vs 252 / 120 Cofagrigus: 72.19% - 85.31%
    Leaf Storm vs 252 / 0 Uxie: 61.02% - 72.03% (hits about as hard as Signal Beam)
    Signal Beam vs +1 0 / 0 Lilligant: 81.85% - 96.80%
    Signal Beam vs 0 / 0 Bouffalant: 42.90% - 50.76%
    Hidden Power Rock vs 0 / 0 Entei: 61.46% - 72.78%
    Hidden Power Rock vs 252 / 252+ Mandibuzz:
    +1 252 Timid Life Orb Lillligant Hidden Power Rock vs Wormadam: 62.22% - 73.65%
    252 Timid Life Orb Sceptile Hidden Power Rock vs Wormadam: 40.00% - 47.62%
    252 Jolly Life Orb Adaptability Craudaunt Crunch vs Wormadam: 78.10% - 92.06%
  8. Pearl.

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    Mentioned that set in OO. Also, another of Wormadam's advantages is its ability to actually check Sharpedo, a thing few Pokemon are able to do. Thanks for feedback!
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    I got nothing else to add that SilentVerse didn't say. That Leaf Storm damage output is impressive, good find and great analysis Pearl

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    Because I can:

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    Who cares what Honko says about QC approving our own analysis.
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  12. Pearl.

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    Thanks everyone! I'll try to get the analysis written up this weekend.
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    i'd like to see more logs to show its effectiveness in battle before i approve this
  14. Pearl.

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    What about this one?
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    Rotom-C outclasses the hell out of this, why did you guys approve it?
  16. Pearl.

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    No it doesn't.

    By the way, this is ready to be GP checked.
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    [Overview]

    <p>When people think of Wormadam, what usually comes to their mind is something in the same vein as Spinda or Unown. However, with above average defensive stats, respectable power when equipped with Choice Specs, and a type combination shared only by the Parasect and Leavanny lines, Wormadam is actually a force to be reckoned with in RU. Unlike what most would guess, she isn't outclassed by any offensive Grass-type Pokemon at all, due to her Bug typing and much higher bulk, allowing her to put some of the most common Pokemon in the tier, such as Sharpedo, Poliwrath, and Rotom-C, in check. Furthermore, a Choice Specs-boosted Leaf Storm is surprisingly strong, leaving even Pokemon that resist it in a world of pain. Not everything is a bed of roses for Wormadam, though. While it's true that her type combination sets her apart from other offensive Grass-type Pokemon, it also leaves her extremely vulnerable to Fire-, Flying-, Ice-, and Rock-type attacks, all of which are very common in RU. That, coupled with her low base Speed, make her relatively easy to revenge kill. Despite all of that, underestimating Wormadam is a huge mistake, since she can actually pull her weight in battle.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Choice Specs
    move 1: Leaf Storm
    move 2: Giga Drain
    move 3: Signal Beam
    move 4: Hidden Power Rock
    item: Choice Specs
    ability: Anticipation
    nature: Modest
    evs: 216 HP / 252 SpA / 40 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This is Wormadam's only reliable set in RU, which focuses on her usable Special Attack stat, respectable bulk, and typing, which give her the opportunity to be easily brought in against common Pokemon in the tier, such as Slowking, and then proceed to wreak havoc. Leaf Storm is her main STAB move, dealing considerable damage even to some of the Pokemon that resist it, such as Rotom-C, with the only disadvantage of forcing her to switch out due to the Special Attack drop it causes. Giga Drain is a more consistent Grass-type STAB, and can also be used as a form of recovery; however, it should only be used when Leaf Storm's raw power isn't needed anymore, since Wormadam is meant to hit and run anyways. Signal Beam complements her other STAB moves well, hitting the Grass-type Pokemon that resist them for super effective damage. Hidden Power Rock rounds out Wormadam's coverage, denting the Fire- and Flying-types such as Moltres, and Entei that resist all of her other moves.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>On the last moveslot, one can opt for another type of Hidden Power, Psychic, or even Shadow Ball for coverage instead of Hidden Power Rock. However, the coverage the latter gives is too good to pass up. If being locked in a single move is unappreciated, just use another offensive Grass-type Pokemon such as Rotom-C or Sceptile instead, as Wormadam's damage output is underwhelming without Choice Specs. The chosen EVs give her all the power she can get, along with the ability to outrun any Rhydon that doesn't invest in Speed while keeping her relatively bulky at the same time. Running 252 Speed EVs is an option, but it'll end up being useless most of the time, since Wormadam is still slow and the loss in bulk is noticeable.</p>

    <p>As Wormadam is weak to Stealth Rock, pairing her with Pokemon that have access to Rapid Spin is crucial. Kabutops and Claydol are arguably the best Pokemon for that job, as they also have good synergy with Wormadam. Furthermore, they can stop some of the Pokemon that counter her as well <examples>. Wish support from the likes of Clefable and Alomomola is also appreciated, since she will be switching in and out a lot during a battle. The best way to counter her is by keeping Stealth Rock on field and predicting well. Grass-types can be brought in against Leaf Storm and Giga Drain, but Signal Beam will OHKO most of them. Fighting-type Pokemon such as Hitmonchan can easily take a Signal Beam or two, but Leaf Storm will easily dent them, and so on. Specially defensive Pokemon such as Clefable and Munchlax can take a Leaf Storm, heal themselves, and rack up damage on Wormadam with Body Slam or Seismic Toss. Last but not least, Wormadam likes to have powerful Pokemon that can dent stall by her side. The best for that is probably Moltres, since even Pokemon like Slowking will fall to it once Spikes are laid. It also has good synergy, both defensively and offensively, with Wormadam, taking the Fire-type moves directed at her and luring the aforementioned Normal-type Pokemon.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Wormadam has a decent list of other options; however, most of them are outclassed by other Pokemon in RU. With access to a recovery move in Synthesis and great bulk, she can run a defensive set, but Tangrowth is superior in doing that. Her physical movepool is interesting, having attacks such as Bug Bite, Seed Bomb, and Sucker Punch, but her base Attack is too low for her to go physical or even mixed. She can run a Life Orb or Leftovers on her first and only set, but she'll miss lots of important KOs without Choice Specs, making it a somewhat bad idea.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>When countering Wormadam, one should always have in mind that she shouldn't be underestimated, regardless of circumstances. Due to her above average bulk, she can take attacks such as non-STAB Ice Beams and proceed to OHKO whatever used it back. Despite that, she is relatively easy to revenge kill, due to her low base Speed and 4x weaknesses to Fire- and Flying-type moves. Specially defensive Pokemon such as Munchlax, Clefable, and Lickilicky, to an extent, can cripple Wormadam with Toxic, take a Leaf Storm or two, rack up damage on her with their damaging move of choice, and recover their HP back with Rest, Softboiled, and Wish, respectively. Fire- and Flying-types can take Wormadam's STABs and OHKO her right of the bat with their own STAB moves, but they must be wary of Hidden Power Rock. Proper prediction, albeit risky, is also a legit way of stopping Wormadam, in case it's impossible to fit one of the mentioned Pokemon in a team. Last but not least, keeping Stealth Rock on field will make sure Wormadam won't last long enough to do any damage.</p>

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    When listing two items, use "XXX and YYY" aka no comma before the "and." If you're listing more than three, however, use "XXX, YYY, and ZZZ" aka yes comma before the "and." Other than that, the writeup with pretty good and informative. Good job!
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    Thanks! This is ready for the last GP check.
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    [Overview]

    <p>When people think of Wormadam, what usually comes to their mind is something in the same vein as Spinda or Unown. However, with above average defensive stats, respectable power when equipped with Choice Specs, and a type combination shared only by the Parasect and Leavanny lines, Wormadam is actually a force to be reckoned with in RU. Unlike what most would guess, she isn't outclassed by any offensive Grass-type Pokemon at all, due to her Bug typing and much higher bulk, allowing her to put some of the most common Pokemon in the tier, such as Sharpedo, Poliwrath, and Rotom-C, in check. Furthermore, a Choice Specs-boosted Leaf Storm is surprisingly strong, leaving even Pokemon that resist it in a world of pain. Not everything is a bed of roses for Wormadam, though. The typing that sets her apart from other offensive Grass-type Pokemon, it also leaves her extremely vulnerable to Fire-, Flying-, Ice-, and Rock-type attacks, all of which are very common in RU. Factor in her low base Speed too, and she becomes relatively easy to revenge kill. Despite all of that, underestimating Wormadam is a huge mistake because she can actually pull her weight in battle.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Choice Specs
    move 1: Leaf Storm
    move 2: Giga Drain
    move 3: Signal Beam
    move 4: Hidden Power Rock
    item: Choice Specs
    ability: Anticipation
    nature: Modest
    evs: 216 HP / 252 SpA / 40 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This is Wormadam's only reliable set in RU, which focuses on her usable Special Attack stat, respectable bulk, and typing, all of which give her the opportunity to be easily brought in against common Pokemon in the tier, such as Slowking, and then proceed to wreak havoc. Leaf Storm is her main STAB move, dealing considerable damage even to some of the Pokemon that resist it, such as Rotom-C; its only disadvantage is that it forces her to switch out due to the Special Attack drop it causes. Giga Drain is a more consistent Grass-type STAB, attack and can also be used as a form of recovery; however, it should only be used when Leaf Storm's raw power isn't needed anymore, since Wormadam is meant to hit and run. anyways. Signal Beam complements her other STAB moves well, hitting the Grass-type Pokemon that resist them for super effective damage. Hidden Power Rock rounds out Wormadam's coverage, denting the Fire- and Flying-type Pokemon such as Moltres, and Entei that resist all of her other moves.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>On the last moveslot, one can opt for another type of Hidden Power, Psychic, or even Shadow Ball for coverage instead of Hidden Power Rock. However, the coverage the latter gives is too good to pass up. If being locked in a single move is unappreciated, just use another offensive Grass-type Pokemon such as Rotom-C or Sceptile instead, as Wormadam's damage output is underwhelming without Choice Specs. The chosen EVs give her all the power she can get and the ability to outrun any Rhydon that lack Speed investment while keeping her relatively bulky at the same time. Running 252 Speed EVs is an option, but it'll end up being useless most of the time, since Wormadam is still slow and the loss in bulk is noticeable.</p>

    <p>As Wormadam is weak to Stealth Rock, pairing her with spinners is crucial. Kabutops and Claydol are arguably the best Pokemon for that job, as they also have good synergy with Wormadam. Furthermore, they can stop some of the Pokemon that counter her as well such as <examples>. Wish support from the likes of Clefable and Alomomola is also appreciated, since she will be switching in and out a lot during a battle. The best way to counter her is by keeping Stealth Rock on field and predicting well. Grass-types can be brought in against Leaf Storm and Giga Drain, but Signal Beam will OHKO most of them. Fighting-type Pokemon such as Hitmonchan can easily take a Signal Beam or two, but Leaf Storm will easily dent them, and so on. Specially defensive Pokemon such as Clefable and Munchlax can take a Leaf Storm, heal themselves, and rack up damage on Wormadam with Body Slam or Seismic Toss. (This is appropriate in Checks & Counters, not here.) Last but not least, Wormadam also likes to have powerful Pokemon that can dent stall by her side; its best teammate for that is Moltres, since even Pokemon like Slowking will fall to it once Spikes are laid. It also has good synergy, both defensively and offensively, with Wormadam, taking the Fire-type moves directed at her and luring the likes of Munchlax, Clefable, and Lickilicky.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Wormadam has a decent list of other options; however, most of them are outclassed by other Pokemon in RU. With access to a recovery move in Synthesis and great bulk, she can run a defensive set, but Tangrowth outclasses Wormadam. Her physical movepool is interesting, having attacks such as Bug Bite, Seed Bomb, and Sucker Punch, but her base Attack is too low for her to go physical or even mixed. She can run a Life Orb or Leftovers on her first and only set, but she'll miss lots of important KOs without Choice Specs, making it a somewhat bad idea.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>When countering Wormadam, one should always have in mind that she shouldn't be underestimated, regardless of circumstances. Due to her above average bulk, she can take attacks such as non-STAB Ice Beams and proceed to OHKO whatever used it back. Despite that, she is relatively easy to revenge kill, due to her low base Speed and 4x weaknesses to Fire- and Flying-type moves. Specially defensive Pokemon such as Munchlax, Clefable, and Lickilicky, to an extent, can cripple Wormadam with Toxic, take a Leaf Storm or two, rack up damage on her with their damaging move of choice, and recover their HP back with Rest, Softboiled, and Wish, respectively. Fire- and Flying-types can take Wormadam's STABs and OHKO her right of the bat with their own STAB moves, but they must be wary of Hidden Power Rock. Proper prediction, albeit risky, is also a legit way of stopping Wormadam, in case it's impossible to fit one of the mentioned Pokemon in a team. Last but not least, keeping Stealth Rock on the field will make sure Wormadam won't last long enough to do any damage. Since Wormadam is usually choice-locked into a move, playing around it with resistances is a good idea to compound the residual damage that Stealth Rock causes. Grass-type Pokemon such as <examples> can be brought in against Leaf Storm and Giga Drain, but Signal Beam will OHKO most of them. Fighting-type Pokemon such as Hitmonchan can easily take a Signal Beam or two, but Leaf Storm will easily dent them.</p>


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    Implemented Steven Snype's check. Thanks everyone! This is now ready to be uploaded.
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    frankly, my dear, i don't wormadam

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