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Discussion in 'Orange Islands' started by Flareon, Mar 8, 2013.
Most non-Fire bipedal Pokemon learn Surf. It's a fact. Hence Jesseus' list above.
This is a tiny bit off topic, but does anyone else think it is a bit strange that Sunflora doesn't get Drought since the anime depicted them as magically bringing spring? Or that the Slowpoke family doesn't have Drizzle when the game and anime implied that their yawn brought the rain?
You know who else can Surf? Lickilicky. You can also teach Surf to Haxorus, but not Axew or Fraxure.
Not at all, since Sunflora can learn Sunny Day and Slowpoke can learn Rain Dance. Thematically, it still plays to the lore around those Pokemon, and the weather abilities on those two feels like a bit much. Granted, it would open up some variation on rain teams between Politoad and Slowking(if Slowking also had Drizzle), but Slowpoke's just fine the way he is, especially when you consider that the japanese name for Rain Dance, "Rain Prayer" is a bit more broad and could supposedly manifest from a yawn.
I don't understand how lickylicky learns muddy water by breeding. Sure its learns surf, but that would mean every pokemmon that learns surf should learn muddy water. Also, Dnite learns aqua jet, which is weird because he can only learn aqua tail by level up.
Tyranitar learns some random moves like surf and thunderbolt, but TMs and HMs can do anything.
I wonder how an Electabuzz can Screech...normally, they have such low voices.
A lot of electric types can Learn screech. Perhaps the logic was they can distort sound waves like amplifiers?
Someone mentioned Pineco and Earthquake earlier. Well in Gen 1, Ekans can learn Fissure.
Arcanine got Teleport in gen 1.
I can somewhat understand Arcanine and teleport. Perhaps it moved so fast that it seemed like it did teleport?
Teleport was a TM in Gen 1. Even Cloyster could learn it.
I don't understand how such a wide range of Pokémon can learn the elemental punches. Sure, I understand Normal-types, the type of the respective elemental punches, and even the Hitmon family because of Hitmonchan. Even some Ghost-types (not you, Gastly) make sense.
I mean, some Pokémon should not be capable of generating either huge amounts of static electricity, fire, or sub-zero temperatures with their hands.
I know these aren't perfect but for thunderpunch they could grab a generator or a (Insert device that generates electricity), and for fire punch they could dunk it in Lava.
We had a theory back on #capasb that 'Zam used the Elemental punches by making like a schoolyard bully and forcing the opposition to punch themselves.
Also, how does Surskit learn Mind Reader, Solarbeam or, heck, even Shadow Ball?
I don't know if it has been mentioned before, but how does Politoed and a bunch of other puny non-Ground types get Earthquake, and Kyurem-B, the most powerful physical Dragon in the game, not get it?! I will never understand this one. Ever.
Maybe Politoed manipulates the water under the opponents feet to get the earth to crack? I don't really see how Earthquake would thematically fit with a Dragon/Ice that's got a lightning buff. Then again, Ho-oh and Lugia can also learn earthquake, and the've got almost zero connection to the ground, so maybe...
Speaking of Pokemon that can use earthquake, I think it's kind of silly that Venusaur was unable to learn it until Gen 3, but Blastoise and Charizard were capable of learning it since Red and Blue.
Well it isn't so much thematically as it is the weight of that bulky giant dragon versus a small frog, but I suppose the fact that so many Flying-types get it already makes it pretty troll.
I don't see the problem anyway. Black Kyurem's already good in OU, and it can learn Earth Power if you really want a Ground technique.
Samurott and Serperior are the ONLY fully evolved starters without Earthquake ;_;
Why, Gamefreak, WHY!?!?!?
In fact, minus HP, Serperior cannot learn one ground attack.....
Serperior barely has any good non-grass attacks at all
It does have Dragon Pulse, Outrage, and Aqua Tail for some coverage though.
yes , but nintendo doesn't give a shit about the metagame. especially not a fan-made one.
and it doesn't really make sense to me that something as utterly powerful as kyurem-b is not uber. to me, it almost needs to be. it's got, what, 700 bst? that is insane
Like with Flareon, its movepool is more suited to the Special side, while its stats reflect a Physical mon. Unlike Flareon, it's good.
Also, Flareon is like, the only, or at least one of the only, Fire-type that doesn't get Solarbeam. Why u hate Flareon Game Freak?
Well, they do have a banlist, so saying they don't care about the metagame is false. They don't care about it to the level around here would be more accurate.
The reasoning pretty much boils down to its Ice typing and not having very many physical moves.
And a SR weakness (I personally don't see why it's still around).
Although that's another discussion for another thread. This is for weird moves.
Like, say, Crunch Shelgon. Or Thunderbolt Volbeat.
Not exactly a weird move, but the fact that Nintendo bothered to make one of RBY's TMs Softboiled. Talk about niche items.
And yeah, The only fully evolved Fire-type without Solarbeam.
Only in an unbalanced metagame like this one can something like Kyurem-B not be über (not that I disagree with it). We've reached that point, the power creep is just too much.
Also, if GF didn't give a shit about the metagame, we wouldn't have things like Eviolite, Choice items, Magic Bounce, Prankster and many other things that were pretty much made with a competitive mindset. Also, they wouldn't have given Slaking, Regigigas, and Archeops detrimental abilities.
if anyone hasn't noted before,
you can't teach garchomp fly and pinsir can use brick break despite it doesn't have hands.