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Yanmega [4F]*

Discussion in 'Uploaded Analyses' started by mtr, Oct 25, 2009.

  1. mtr

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    Yanmega was the first lead I ever used, back when I was just starting to play DPPt. Now we've come full circle.

    Status: Done! (and being edited)
    I know that the Speed Boost Life Orb and Specs Tinted Lens sets will generate quite a bit of debate (especially on the movesets), so I want to hear what you guys have to say about them before I write them up. I've tested them and they are useful, though I had to use a lead Aerodactyl since I was too lazy to use
    a spinner :)


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    [SET]
    name: Lead Yanmega
    move 1: Protect
    move 2: Air Slash
    move 3: Bug Buzz
    move 4: Hypnosis / Hidden Power Ground
    item: Focus Sash / Expert Belt
    ability: Speed Boost
    nature: Modest
    evs: 104 Def / 252 SpA / 152 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]
    <p>Yanmega's popularity as an OU lead has plummeted since the golden days of DP, yet it can still work well as an excellent immediate damage lead in the current metagame. Protect is useful for the purpose of gaining a Speed Boost and blocking Fake Out, which will consequently let you outspeed much of the metagame. However, you may wish to forgo Protect if you think the opponent is likely to use Stealth Rock first turn. Air Slash is a handy choice in order to 2HKO many leads, such as Infernape and Azelf, and Yanmega is more than fast enough to abuse the 30% flinch rate. Bug Buzz is your most powerful move, able to 2HKO Pokemon such as Hippowdon, Kingdra, Latias, and more. Hypnosis is a great move to have in the fourth slot to give you a chance against enemy sleepers such as Roserade and Smeargle, but the accuracy can let you down, not to mention that you have fairly poor coverage with only two moves. Therefore, Hidden Power Ground is also a great option for dealing with Metagross, Magnezone, and Heatran.</p>

    <p>On a related note, 104 Defense EVs are used for the purpose of living through a Metagross' Meteor Mash and Bullet Punch. This works well with Expert Belt, which ensures a 2HKO on Metagross with Hidden Power Ground. However, Focus Sash is the more reliable option overall, as Yanmega's defenses are far from stellar. With a Focus Sash, you are guaranteed to defeat leads such as Infernape, Azelf, and Heatran, which may mean more than guaranteeing a victory against Metagross, depending on your team.</p>

    <p>Since this Yanmega is designed to work as a lead, using a spinner such as Starmie or Forretress, while helpful, is not required. However, you will still want a Pokemon that can set up the vital Stealth Rock, along with covering Yanmega's weaknesses against leads such as Jirachi. Therefore, a Forretress makes an excellent partner to Yanmega with its access to all types of entry hazards and excellent typing. Pokemon such as Swampert, Gliscor, and Heatran also are excellent at covering Yanmega's weaknesses. Not to mention that the former two do well against Zapdos that lack the necessary Hidden Power, which is important given that Zapdos is an excellent Yanmega counter.</p>


    [SET]
    name: Specs Tinted Lens
    move 1: Bug Buzz
    move 2: Air Slash
    move 3: Hidden Power Ground
    move 4: U-turn
    item: Choice Specs
    ability: Tinted Lens
    nature: Modest / Timid
    evs: 6 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]
    <p>Possessing one of the best abilities in the game in Tinted Lens, Yanmega makes a formidable Choice user to which there are few truly safe switch-ins. Bug Buzz is your move of choice, able to handily 2HKO Zapdos and Rotom-A switch-ins, who are mostly outpaced by the dragonfly. Be sure to check for Leftovers gain on these Pokemon, as if they lack it, it is a giveaway that they are running offensive sets. Offensive Rotom formes, however, are always OHKOed by Bug Buzz after Stealth Rock, so they are not a concern. However, Pokemon who have a 4x resistance to Bug Buzz, such as Lucario and Heatran, can still safely switch-in, so Hidden Power Ground is there to give them something to think about, OHKOing them both. U-turn can be used to scout Blissey switch-ins, potentially giving a free setup turn to one of your sweepers who laugh at it. Air Slash is there for Gengar, who otherwise walls this set completely, and can 2HKO incoming Skarmory. You will find that this Yanmega set is an excellent lure on physically-oriented offensive teams if played correctly.</p>

    <p>The EVs are fairly standard for an offensive sweeper. You can employ Timid if you wish to defeat neutral-natured base 100s, but few Pokemon sit at such a speed level (many Salamence run Naive natures), so Modest is the recommended choice for the added power.</p>

    <p>Hands down, the best partners for this set are Gyarados and Metagross. Both of them are countered by Zapdos and Rotom-A, and both of them have an easier time sweeping when such Pokemon are removed. Serendipitously, fast Taunt-employing leads such as Aerodactyl and Azelf are also recommended for use alongside Offensive Gyarados sets, so you do not have to go out of your way to use such leads just for Yanmega. However, you should construct your team to cover having 3 Pokemon weak to Rock-type attacks. Again, an alternative to using Aerodactyl or Azelf is to have a Rapid Spin user such as Starmie or Forretress. Finally, make sure that your team can beat Blissey, who walls this Yanmega set to the ends of the heavens, although U-turn can turn the pink blob into a setup opportunity.</p>


    [SET]
    name: Life Orb Sweeper
    move 1: Protect / Hypnosis
    move 2: Bug Buzz
    move 3: Air Slash / Hidden Power Ground
    move 4: Shadow Ball / Air Slash
    item: Life Orb
    ability: Speed Boost
    nature: Modest
    evs: 6 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]
    <p>If saved for the late-game, this set can be the bane of many offensive teams. The strategy is to use Protect or Hypnosis on the first turn to ensure a speed raise, then begin to sweep. Unfortunately, due to the fact that this overgrown dragonfly has a remarkably shallow movepool and can get walled quite easily, it is easier said than done. You can take out a move in the first slot for an additional coverage move, but the payoff isn't great, so it isn't recommended. Protect can be handy if your opponent's Yanmega check is choiced, and putting their check to sleep with Hypnosis never hurts.</p>

    <p>Air Slash is used to 2HKO Gyarados and Salamence, among others, while Hidden Power Ground is there for Lucario, Heatran, and Magnezone. Shadow Ball is an option just for the Rotom formes. But Bug Buzz is what distinguishes this set from other special sweepers: being able to easily 2HKO Tyranitar and Latias, who are very popular specially defensive Pokemon on many teams, is huge.</p>

    <p>This set despises Blissey and Snorlax, so you should definitely include wallbreaking methods on your team. Snorlax is quite easy to wear down, but Blissey's instant recovery complicates things. Wallbreakers such as Infernape, Heatran, and Salamence are recommended, as are Trick users. Zapdos and (without Shadow Ball) Rotom-A are also problematic. Flygon can effectively check both of them, and merits consideration. Other than that, Latias is a great way to deal with Zapdos, while Rotom-A is easy enough to wear down without instant recovery, and Heatran is an effective check to it.</p>


    [Team Options]
    <p>The most proximate consideration when using Yanmega is having a way to get Stealth Rock off the field. A spinner is highly recommended, with Starmie being the first choice. Forretress can also work as well, being able to set up entry hazards in addition to spinning. However, it has a meager offensive presence, and can easily become setup fodder if you aren't careful. You also want a Pokemon that can set up Stealth Rock and maybe even Spikes, making Forretress an attractive choice as a spinner. Alternatively, if you do not feel like having a Rapid Spin user, you may be able to get away with a fast Taunt user for a lead, such as Aerodactyl or Azelf (though Aerodactyl is preferred due to its higher speed).</p>

    <p>Yanmega is perpetually walled by Blissey. Zapdos also makes a good counter, though a Specs-boosted Bug Buzz is a 2HKO courtesy of Tinted Lens. Therefore, you will want to include Pokemon that can lure in and take out Bissey. Heatran and Gengar are excellent choices, packing Explosion to defeat the pink blob. Zapdos, unfortunately, is harder to defeat, because Tyranitar isn't recommended for use alongside Yanmega due to Sand Stream. Latias, however, is a great way to beat Zapdos, walling it while setting up Calm Mind or simply using Draco Meteor. If using Tinted Lens Yanmega, its worth it to include Pokemon that can take advantage of the holes it puts in opposing teams. Since using such a Yanmega is an excellent way to lure in and kill Zapdos and Rotom-A, a Gyarados, Metagross, or Lucario can easily take advantage of it, and should be considered for use on your team.</p>

    <p>Yanmega's defensive typing is unfortunately horrendous, but it synergizes fairly well with Heatran, Lucario, and Magnezone. Both of them take Rock-type and Ice-type attacks aimed at Yanmega, who takes the Ground-type and Fighting-type attacks aimed at them. Aside from them, there is little that has notable defensive synergy with Yanmega. Also, if you wish to exploit what you can of Yanmega's defensive typing, you will need to remove Stealth Rock, as otherwise Yanmega cannot deal with any attacks due to 50% of its health being deducted for switching in.</p>

    <p>Blissey is often partnered by Pokemon such as Skarmory and Swampert. Unfortunately, Yanmega doesn't have overly favorable matchups against either, and actually loses to Skarmory if not running Tinted Lens and Choice Specs. Therefore, you may wish to include Pokemon such as Heatran and Latias, who handle the two fairly easily. Zapdos is often seen alongside Scizor, Tyranitar, and Heatran. Fortunately, none of them can safely switch into Yanmega (who often carries Hidden Power Ground for Heatran), but Scizor can easily revenge kill you. Magnezone synergizes fairly well with Yanmega, and is the ultimate counter for Scizor as long as you can get it to use Bullet Punch, which isn't hard since Yanmega tends to lure Scizor into using the move. Snorlax tends to have similar partners as Zapdos, though it is seen alongside Salamence more often. However, Salamence cannot safely switch into Yanmega, and it goes without saying that your team should have a way to check Salamence, such as Scizor, Swampert, or Mamoswine.</p>

    <p>Yanmega can work well as a lead, a lure, or a sweeper, but its role should be restricted to fairly offensive teams. On balanced and stall-oriented teams, there are definitely better options that do not require employing a spinner or a fast Taunt user.</p>


    [Other Options]
    <p>Hidden Power Ice is there if you really hate Zapdos (although you don't OHKO it) and need to OHKO Salamence and Flygon switch-ins, but has little utility otherwise. Giga Drain can be used to hurt Swampert and Suicune while regenerating health. Ominous Wind can go over Shadow Ball for the chance to really cement a sweep, but Shadow Ball's higher base power is generally more reliable. In a similar vein, Silver Wind is an option over Bug Buzz, but Bug Buzz does have substantially higher base power.</p>

    <p>A Substitute+Reversal set can be used to defeat Blissey, but Sand Stream is more prevalent in OU than in Yanmega's old home of UU, and Yanmega will often find that it has rather lacking coverage if it uses Reversal. In a similar vein, a Substitute and Petaya Berry set can be employed to check priority attacks and give yourself heightened sweeping potential over the Life Orb set. However, Sand and Hail again screw up the strategy, and you score few notable KOes over the Life Orb user.</p>


    [EVs]
    <p>Yanmega is frail, so investing in defenses, barring the EVs on the lead set, is not advisable. Stick to the standard EV spreads, and make sure you invest leftover EVs into Defense. This will give Yanmega an odd-numbered HP, which allows 3 switch-ins into Stealth Rock should your team have failed to keep it off the field.</p>


    [Opinion]
    <p>Yanmega is one of those Pokemon that would have been a classic were it not for Stealth Rock. With the hazard stripping the dragonfly of 50% of its health per switch-in, you are forced to use a spinner or a lead that can prevent Stealth Rock if you want to have success with it. Which is a shame, because Speed Boost and Tinted Lens, are both fantastic abilities, especially coming off base 116 Special Attack. Additionally, having a special sweeper that can blast through Tyranitar and Latias is huge, since most teams rely on those two for their special walling. All in all, when constructing an offensive team, its definitely worth glancing in Yanmega's direction, because if you can take care of Stealth Rock and Blissey, you will rarely be disappointed.</p>


    [Counters]
    <p>Blissey completely walls Yanmega, fearing only Hypnosis or the rare Reversal set. Zapdos is probably the next best counter for the dragonfly, but a Choice Specs-boosted Air Slash or Bug Buzz is an easy 2HKO thanks to Tinted Lens. Thanks to its typing, Skarmory works well, but it is still 2HKOed by a Specs-boosted Air Slash. Snorlax is a great choice to try to beat Yanmega, but a Choice Specs-boosted Bug Buzz is a 3HKO, a problem compounded by Snorlax's lack of instant recovery. Other than that, Heatran, given its 4x resistance to Bug Buzz is worth a shot, but many Yanmegas use Hidden Power Ground for the sole purpose of killing it, along with Magnezone.</p>

    <p>However, Yanmega is quite easy to deal with in other ways as well. Simply keeping up Stealth Rock will ensure that it isn't very useful. Scizor and Lucario can easily revenge kill it with priority moves. Tyranitar can also revenge kill it with Stone Edge, but since a boosted Bug Buzz is a 2HKO, it can't switch into the dragonfly.</p>
  2. Scoopapa

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    You should probably remove the James Bond reference. I don't think it's really appropriate in an analysis. You could hold out for a badge-holder's opinion but I think they'll tell you the same thing. Plus it's kind of an obscure one, anyway.
  3. mtr

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    Yeah, that was just for a bit of fun, but I'll pull it. Honestly, though, I thought it added a bit of spice.
  4. shrang

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    I would think that Heatran is probably one of the biggest counters for Yanmega without Hidden Power Ground (And to run it would probably mean you are sacrificing a move slot for something else). There would be absolutely nothing Yanmega would be able to do to it (Apart from putting it to Sleep) if it lacks HP Ground, and easily OHKO'd by Flamethrower/Fire Blast. Without Tinted Lens, Yanmega lacks any kind of power that would do anything significant to Heatran, and without Speed Boost or Choice Scarf, it would get outsped by the ever-present ScarfTran (Scarf and Tinted Lens are possible, but the power drop is again the big factor). All-in-all, without HP Ground, Heatran laughs at anything Yanmega can do, so I think it is a bigger counter than it is being made out at the moment.
  5. mtr

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    Hidden Power Ground is a recommended option for Yanmega outside of UU. I'm still formulating optimal movesets for the other sets, but I'll mention it. By the way, its also useful for Metagross and Magnezone, not just Heatran.
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    [SET]
    name: Lead Yanmega
    move 1: Protect
    move 2: Air Slash
    move 3: Shadow Ball / Bug Buzz
    move 4: Hypnosis / Hidden Power Ground
    item: Focus Sash / Expert Belt
    ability: Speed Boost
    nature: Modest
    evs: 104 Def / 252 SpA / 152 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]
    <p>Yanmega's popularity as an OU lead has plummeted since the halcyon days of DP, yet it can still work well as an excellent immediate damage lead in the current metagame. Protect is useful for the purpose of gaining a Speed Boost and blocking Fake Out, which will consequently let you outspeed much of the metagame. However, you may wish to [forgo] not use Protect if you think the opponent is likely to use Stealth Rock first [turn]. Air Slash is a handy choice in order to 2HKO many leads, and Yanmega is more than fast enough to abuse the 30% flinch rate. Traditionally, Bug Buzz was used in the third slot, but it is really only useful for the purpose of 2HKOing Latias in the current metagame. Shadow Ball has more overall utility, dealing heavy damage to Rotom formes who are apt to switch into Yanmega. Hypnosis is a great move to have in the fourth slot to give you a chance against enemy sleepers(,) such as Roserade and Smeargle, but the accuracy can let you down, not to mention [that] you have fairly poor coverage with only two moves. Therefore, Hidden Power Ground is also a great option for dealing with Metagross, Magnezone, and Heatran.</p>

    <p>On a related note, 104 Defense EVs are used for the purpose of living through a Metagross' Meteor Mash and Bullet Punch. This works well with Expert Belt, which ensures a 2HKO on Metagross with Hidden Power Ground. However, Focus Sash is the more reliable option overall, as Yanmega's defenses are far from stellar, and being able to effectively live twice. With a Focus Sash, you are guaranteed to defeat leads such as Infernape, Azelf, and Heatran, which may mean more than guaranteeing a victory against Metagross, depending on your team.</p>

    <p>Since this Yanmega is designed to work as a lead, using a spinner such as Starmie or Forretress, while helpful, is not required. However, you will [still] want a Pokemon that can set up the vital Stealth Rock, along with covering Yanmega's weaknesses against leads such as Jirachi. Therefore, a Forretress makes an excellent partner to Yanmega with its access to all types of entry hazards and excellent typing, though it furthers your Zapdos weakness. Pokemon such as Swampert, Gliscor, and Heatran also are excellent at covering Yanmega's weaknesses. Not to mention that the former two do well against Zapdos that lack the necessary Hidden Power, which is important given that Zapdos is an excellent Yanmega counter.</p>

    [SET]
    Specs Tinted Lens

    [SET]
    Life Orb Sweeper

    [Team Options]
    <p>The most proximate consideration when using Yanmega is having a way to get Stealth Rock off the field. A spinner is highly recommended, with Starmie being the first choice. Forretress can also work as well, being able to set up entry hazards in addition to spinning. However, it has a meager offensive presence, and can easily become setup fodder if you aren't careful. Alternatively, if you do not feel like having a Rapid Spin user, you may be able to get away with a fast Taunt user for a lead, such as Aerodactyl or Azelf (though Aerodactyl is preferred due to its higher speed). You'll also want a Pokemon that can set up Stealth Rock and maybe even Spikes, making Forretress an attractive choice as a spinner.</p>

    <p>Yanmega is perpetually walled by Blissey and Snorlax. Zapdos also makes a good counter, though a Specs-boosted Bug Buzz is a 2HKO courtesy of Tinted Lens. Therefore, you will want to include Pokemon that can lure in and take out Bissey. Heatran and Gengar are excellent choices, packing Explosion to defeat the pink blob. Zapdos, unfortunately, is harder to defeat, because Tyranitar isn't recommended [for] to use alongside Yanmega due to Sand Stream. Latias, however, is a great way to beat Zapdos, walling it while setting up Calm Mind or simply using Draco Meteor. If using Tinted Lens Yanmega, its worth it to include Pokemon that can take advantage of the holes it puts in opposing teams. Since using such a Yanmega is an excellent way to lure in and kill Zapdos and Rotom-A, [a] Gyarados, Metagross, or Lucario can easily take advantage of it, and should [be considered for use] have a place on your team.</p>

    <p>Yanmega's defensive typing is unfortunately horrendous, but his weeknesses can be taked by [your synergize fairly well with] Heatran and Magnezone. In a similar vein, Lucario can easily take the Rock- and Ice-type attacks aimed at Yanmega, while Yanmega takes the Ground- and Fighting-type attacks aimed at it. Aside from that, there isn't much [little] that has notable defensive synergy with Yanmega. [And it goes without saying that you need to remove Stealth Rock for defensive synergy to even enter the equation, as with the hazard on the field, Yanmega unfortunately won't be taking hits at all.] This phrase isn't really necessary.</p>

    <p>Blissey is often partnered by Pokemon such as Skarmory and Swampert. Unfortunately, Yanmega doesn't have overly favorable matchups against either, and actually loses to Skarmory if not running Tinted Lens and Choice Specs. Therefore, you may wish to include Pokemon such as Heatran and Latias, who handle the two fairly easily. Zapdos is often seen alongside Scizor, Tyranitar, and Heatran. Fortunately, none of them can safely switch into Yanmega (who often carries Hidden Power Ground for Heatran), but Scizor can easily revenge kill you. Magnezone synergizes fairly well with Yanmega, and is the ultimate counter for Scizor. [so long as you can get it to use Bullet Punch.]</p> Snorlax is a problem too.

    <p>Yanmega can work well as a lead, a lure, or a sweeper, but its role should be restricted to fairly offensive teams. On balanced and stall-oriented teams, there are definitely better options that do not require the use of a spinner or a fast Taunt user.</p>

    [Other Options]
    <p>Hidden Power Ice is there if you really hate Zapdos (although you don't OHKO it) and need to OHKO Salamence and Flygon switch-ins, but has little utility otherwise. Giga Drain can be used to hurt Swampert and Suicune while regenerating health. Ominous Wind can go over Shadow Ball for the chance to really cement a sweep, but Shadow Ball's higher base power is generally more reliable.</p> Mention Silver Wind, and Ancientpower. Also mention HP Electric to hit Gyarados.

    <p>A Substitute+Reversal set can be used to defeat Blissey and Snorlax, but Sand Stream is more prevalent in OU than in Yanmega's old home of UU, and Yanmega will often find that it has rather lacking coverage if it uses Reversal.</p>

    [EVs]
    Forgot to do these for now, but I'll get to them, don't worry!

    [Opinion]
    <p>Yanmega is one of those Pokemon that would have been a classic were it not for Stealth Rock. With the hazard stripping the dragonfly of 50% of its health per switch-in, you are forced to use a spinner or a lead that can prevent Stealth Rock if you want to have success with it. Which is a shame, because Speed Boost and Tinted Lens, are both fantastic abilities, especially coming off base 116 Special Attack. When constructing an offensive team, its definitely worth glancing in Yanmega's direction, because if you can take care of Stealth Rock and Blissey, you will rarely be disappointed.</p>

    [Counters]
    <p>Blissey completely walls Yanmega, fearing only Hypnosis or the rare Reversal set. Zapdos is probably the next best counter for the dragonfly, but a Choice Specs-boosted Air Slash or Bug Buzz is an easy 2HKO thanks to Tinted Lens. Thanks to its typing, Skarmory works well, but it is still 2HKOed by a Specs-boosted Air Slash. Other than that, Heatran, given its 4x resistance to Bug Buzz is worth a shot, but many Yanmega use Hidden Power Ground for the sole purpose of killing it.</p>What about Snorlax and maybe Vaporeon?

    <p>[However] Yanmega is quite easy to deal with in other ways as well. Simply keeping up Stealth Rock will ensure that it isn't very useful. Scizor and Lucario can easily revenge kill it with priority moves. Tyranitar can also revenge kill it with Stone Edge, but since Bug Buzz is a 2HKO, it can't switch into the dragonfly.</p>

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    Overall good analysis. You forgot of some important Yanmega counters like RestTalk Snorlax, also I noticed sometimes you don't capitalize the "k" in OHKO...maybe you were to lazy? Lol
    Continue the good work. ;)
  7. mtr

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    All right, Bumping to say that I've written up the other sets, and Yanmega is nearing completion. I will continue to edit the analysis, and hopefully it will be on site by next weekend. Let me know if I made any errors, grammatical or otherwise.
  8. Sir-half

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    um, the set name is specs tinted lens and the ability is speed boost

    also I think you should mention the low Accuracy of Hypnosis on the last set

    I just started reading from the top, so that is all I caught
  9. RaikouLover

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    The whole thing is good, cept this caught my attention

    Choosing Shadow Ball to 2HKO Yanmega's counters (who OHKO you back anyway) rather than keeping his strongest STAB move is a bit farfetched. Bug Buzz is better in most cases, beause it is STAB, and 90 Base Power, not just for 2HKO Latias.

    Also, the first set doesn't need to just be "lead." What happened to it just being standard, and having Life Orb as an item slash, etc.?
  10. MetaNite

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    I'd like to back up what RaikouLover has said, Bug Buzz is essential. Without it, you are walled by Tyranitar, while also losing your most powerful attack against numerous Pokemon. Some examples:

    Code:
    [B][COLOR=RoyalBlue]Air Slash[/COLOR][/B] versus 4 HP / 0 SpD Kingdra:
    364 Atk vs 226 Def & 292 HP (75 Base Power): 130 - 154 (44.52% - 52.74%)
    
    [B][COLOR=SeaGreen]Bug Buzz[/COLOR][/B] versus 4 HP / 0 SpD Kingdra:
    364 Atk vs 226 Def & 292 HP (90 Base Power): 156 - 184 (53.42% - 63.01%)
    
    [B][COLOR=RoyalBlue]Air Slash[/COLOR][/B] versus 252 HP / 0 SpD Celebi:
    364 Atk vs 236 Def & 404 HP (75 Base Power): 252 - 296 (62.38% - 73.27%)
    
    [B][COLOR=SeaGreen]Bug Buzz[/COLOR][/B] versus 252 HP / 0 SpD Celebi:
    364 Atk vs 236 Def & 404 HP (90 Base Power): 600 - 708 (148.51% - 175.25%)
    
    [B][COLOR=Purple]Shadow Ball[/COLOR][/B] versus 136 HP / 0 SpD Starmie:
    364 Atk vs 206 Def & 295 HP (80 Base Power): 204 - 240 (69.15% - 81.36%)
    
    [B][COLOR=SeaGreen]Bug Buzz[/COLOR][/B] versus 136 HP / 0 SpD Starmie:
    364 Atk vs 206 Def & 295 HP (90 Base Power): 342 - 404 (115.93% - 136.95%)
    
    [B][COLOR=RoyalBlue]Air Slash[/COLOR][/B] versus 252 HP / 0 SpD Hippowdon:
    364 Atk vs 180 Def & 420 HP (75 Base Power): 163 - 193 (38.81% - 45.95%)
    
    [B][COLOR=SeaGreen]Bug Buzz[/COLOR][/B] versus 252 HP / 0 SpD Hippowdon:
    364 Atk vs 180 Def & 420 HP (90 Base Power): 195 - 231 (46.43% - 55.00%)
    As you can see, Bug Buzz is essential to get certain KOs. I'd rather be beaten by Yanmega's counters rather than multiple Pokemon who you should normally overcome easily.
  11. mtr

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    All right, I'm going to rewrite that part of the first set. I'm also going to run through final grammar checks, then do one final read before submitting this for review.
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    I do trust mtr, but I'd like to give this a 24 hour wait. Last minute objections please post.
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    <p>This set despises Blissey and Snorlax, so you should definitely involve wallbreaking methods on your team. Snorlax is quite easy to wear down, but Blissey's instant recovery complicates things. Wallbreakers such as Infernape, Heatran, and Salamence are recommended, as are Trick users. Zapdos and (without Shadow Ball) Rotom-A are also problematic. Flygon can effectively check both of them, and merits consideration. Other than that, Latias is a great way to deal with Zapdos, while Rotom-A is easy enough to wear down without instant recovery, and Heatran is an effective check to it.</p>

    include?
  14. mtr

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    Fixed.
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    I think SubPetaya deserves a mention in OO...it's not as effective in OU, but it does give him protection from priority revenge as well as the ability to turn some 2HKOs into OHKOs.
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    I'll mention it, although it is an iffy choice. Off the top of my head, I can't think of any notable OHKOes, but blocking priority is a good enough reason.

    I already had a SubRev set mentioned, so I'll just slip it in there.

    EDIT: A Petaya-boosted Bug Buzz is a guaranteed OHKO on Latias. Unfortunately, the Life Orb user has an 79.49% chance to OHKO anyways. Ironically, a similar case occurs for Tyranitar, although Sand and Hail completely mess things up for the Petaya set anyways.
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    I think you got most of the info covered otherwise. Uploaded and moving to Archives.

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