Project YUM or YUCK: Pokemon Edition

[mad0ka]

Attacking Vullaby on the switch triggers Weak Armor, allowing Vullaby to outspeed Pawniard. The miss chance reduces the odds to (56.3 x 0.9) = 50.67% chance to OHKO, which scrapes by the 50-50 by the skin of its teeth.

Didn't see weak armor, but barely above a 50% chance hardly makes it a counter. Plus despite being outsped the lowered defense means that Pawn can just kill with sucker punch after a heat wave.

 

[Tricking]

Pawniard @ Chople Berry
Ability: Defiant
Level: 5
EVs: 156 atk / 116 def / 36 spd /196 spe
Adamant Nature
- Knock Off
- Power up Punch
- Iron Head
- Sucker Punch

Timburr @ Life Orb
Ability: Sheer Force
Level: 5
EVs: 196 Atk / 156 Def / 156 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Knock Off
- Drain Punch
- Poison Jab
- Stone Edge

 

[mad0ka]

Timburr @ Life Orb
Ability: Sheer Force
Level: 5
EVs: 196 Atk / 156 Def / 156 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Knock Off
- Drain Punch
- Poison Jab
- Stone Edge

156 Atk Pawniard Iron Head vs. 0 HP / 156 Def Timburr: 10-13 (41.6 - 54.1%) -- 56.3% chance to 2HKO

 

[Tricking]

shit, i was about editing the item :(

now it's

Timburr @ Eviolite
Ability: Sheer Force
Level: 5
EVs: 196 Atk / 156 Def / 156 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Knock Off
- Drain Punch
- Poison Jab
- Stone Edge

156+ Atk Pawniard Iron Head vs. 0 HP / 156 Def Eviolite Timburr: 7-10 (29.1 - 41.6%) -- 99% chance to 3HKO

 

[sparktrain]

Shellos @ Eviolite
Ability: Sticky Hold
Level: 5
EVs: 228 HP / 212 Def / 20 SpD / 4 Spe
Sassy Nature
- Curse
- Recover
- Ancient Power
- Dive

Set up to +6 Atk and Def while keeping Shellos healthy with Recover. After that, you can try grabbing some extra boosts with Ancient Power, then sweep your opponent's team with an incredibly powerful STAB Dive.

196+ Atk Timburr Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 228 HP / 212 Def Eviolite Shellos: 6-8 (22.2 - 29.6%) -- 85.9% chance to 4HKO
196+ Atk Timburr Drain Punch vs. 228 HP / 212 Def Eviolite Shellos: 7-10 (25.9 - 37%) -- 82.5% chance to 3HKO
196+ Atk Timburr Stone Edge vs. 228 HP / 212 Def Eviolite Shellos: 6-8 (22.2 - 29.6%) -- 85.9% chance to 4HKO
196+ Atk Sheer Force Timburr Poison Jab vs. 228 HP / 212 Def Eviolite Shellos: 7-9 (25.9 - 33.3%) -- 0% chance to 3HKO

+6 0 Atk Shellos Waterfall vs. 0 HP / 156 Def Eviolite Timburr: 18-22 (75 - 91.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO <-- look at that damage output, good lord

 

[Corporal Levi]

Seel @ Eviolite
Ability: Thick Fat
Level: 5
EVs: 236 HP / 236 Def / 36 SpD
Bold Nature
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Whirlpool
- Perish Song

If that doesn't count put toxic + growl somewhere

 

[S0L1D G0LD]

Hold up.

Didn't see weak armor, but barely above a 50% chance hardly makes it a counter. Plus despite being outsped the lowered defense means that Pawn can just kill with sucker punch after a heat wave.

3. The ability to win MUST be greater than 50%. If your mon relies on hitting Focus Blast or Zap Cannon or something to win, it will not happen. However, something could abuse Gravity or Lock-on and still use it, it just cannot use a 50% or lower accurate move to win by itself, and hitting something like 2 Focus Blasts in a row is not feasible for this game.

>50% is what I need, and 50.67% is what I got. Your scenario is irrelevant, but if you insist:

Scenario Rundowns

Vullaby switches in. Worst case, it is hit by Iron Head.

156+ Atk Pawniard Iron Head vs. 116 HP / 0 Def Eviolite Vullaby: 7-10 (28 - 40%) -- 98.9% chance to 3HKO
(7, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 10)

Next, Pawniard follows up with Sucker Punch.

156+ Atk Pawniard Sucker Punch vs. -1 116 HP / 0 Def Eviolite Vullaby: 6-7 (24 - 28%) -- 22.8% chance to 4HKO
(6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 7)

Vullaby kills Pawniard with Heat Wave "reliably" enough to move on.

Or if you want Power-Up Punch:

156+ Atk Pawniard Power-Up Punch vs. 116 HP / 0 Def Eviolite Vullaby: 3-4 (12 - 16%) -- possible 7HKO
(3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4)

Follow with Sucker Punch.

+1 156+ Atk Pawniard Sucker Punch vs. -1 116 HP / 0 Def Eviolite Vullaby: 9-11 (36 - 44%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
(9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 11)

Or, if Knock Off is your cup of tea:

+1 156+ Atk Pawniard Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 116 HP / 0 Def Eviolite Vullaby: 6-8 (24 - 32%) -- 98% chance to 4HKO
(6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 8)

+1 156+ Atk Pawniard Sucker Punch vs. -1 116 HP / 0 Def Eviolite Vullaby: 9-11 (36 - 44%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
(9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 11)

Regardless, the Vullaby set I posted qualifies as a counter by definition of the op.

 

[mad0ka]

S0L1D G0LD the OP also says you should not rely on hitting something like Focus Blast to hit, which is a 70% chance. And that scenario was not what I described. I said 2 iron heads + sucker punch and PuP + iron head + sucker punch. Nice try, though.

 

[Fiend]

Seel @ Eviolite
Ability: Thick Fat
Level: 5
EVs: 236 HP / 236 Def / 36 SpD
Bold Nature
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Whirlpool
- Perish Song

If that doesn't count put toxic + growl somewhere

Magnemite @ Choice Specs
Ability: Analytic
Level: 5
EVs: 240 SpA / 236 Spe
Modest Nature
- Flash Cannon
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Signal Beam

 

[apt-get]

S0L1D G0LD the OP also says you should not rely on hitting something like Focus Blast to hit, which is a 70% chance. And that scenario was not what I described. I said 2 iron heads + sucker punch and PuP + iron head + sucker punch. Nice try, though.

What the OP means was this, specifically: "and hitting something like 2 Focus Blasts in a row is not feasible for this game."
70%^2 = 49%, which is just below 50%. This is purely mathematical.

 

[Tricking]

Magnemite @ Choice Specs
Ability: Analytic
Level: 5
EVs: 240 SpA / 236 Spe
Modest Nature
- Flash Cannon
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Signal Beam

Mienfoo @ Eviolite
Ability: Reckless
Level: 5
EVs: 156 HP / 76 Atk / 196 SpD / 76 Spe
Jolly Nature
- High Jump Kick
- Knock Off
- Stone Edge
- Poison Jab

 

[Fiend]

Mienfoo @ Eviolite
Ability: Reckless
Level: 5
EVs: 156 HP / 76 Atk / 196 SpD / 76 Spe
Jolly Nature
- High Jump Kick
- Knock Off
- Stone Edge
- Poison Jab

Croagunk @ Eviolite
Ability: Dry Skin
Level: 5
EVs: 52 HP / 188 Atk / 196 Def / 36 Spe
Impish Nature
- Drain Punch
- Sucker Punch
- Focus Punch
- Gunk Shot

Sken, he's eviolite foo. Regardless it appears that it was a roll to win, so edited.

calcs

76 Atk Mienfoo Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 52 HP / 196+ Def Eviolite Croagunk: 2-3 (9 - 13.6%) -- possible 8HKO
(2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3)
76 Atk Reckless Mienfoo High Jump Kick vs. 52 HP / 196+ Def Croagunk: 9-12 (40.9 - 54.5%) -- 23.8% chance to 2HKO
(9, 9, 9, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 11, 11, 11, 11, 11, 11, 12)
188 Atk Croagunk Drain Punch vs. 156 HP / 0 Def Eviolite Mienfoo: 7-10 (30.4 - 43.4%) -- 100% chance to 3HKO
(7, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 10)
76 Atk Reckless Mienfoo High Jump Kick vs. 52 HP / 196+ Def Croagunk: 9-12 (40.9 - 54.5%) -- 23.8% chance to 2HKO
(9, 9, 9, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 11, 11, 11, 11, 11, 11, 12)
188 Atk Croagunk Gunk Shot vs. 156 HP / 0 Def Eviolite Mienfoo: 13-16 (56.5 - 69.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
(13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 16)
188 Atk Croagunk Sucker Punch vs. 156 HP / 0 Def Eviolite Mienfoo: 3-4 (13 - 17.3%) -- possible 6HKO
(3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4)

 

[Sken]

nvm I'm dumb

 

[Cheryl.]

Mienfoo @ Choice Band
Ability: Reckless
Level: 5
EVS: 236 Atk/ 236 Spe/ other stuff
Jolly Nature
- High Jump Kick
- Knock Off
- U-Turn
- Poison Jab

 

[Merritt]

Mienfoo @ Choice Band
Ability: Reckless
Level: 5
EVS: 236 Atk/ 236 Spe/ other stuff
Jolly Nature
- High Jump Kick
- Knock Off
- U-Turn
- Poison Jab

188 Atk Croagunk Focus Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mienfoo: 22-27 (104.7 - 128.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Pro.

Here's an actual counter.

Trubbish @ Berry Juice
Ability: Sticky Hold
Level: 5
EVs: 116 HP / 36 Atk / 100 Def / 20 SpD / 236 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Recycle
- Gunk Shot
- Drain Punch
- Hidden Power [Psychic]

0- SpA Trubbish Hidden Power Psychic vs. 52 HP / 0 SpD Eviolite Croagunk: 12-16 (54.5 - 72.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

 

[tcr]

S0L1D G0LD the OP also says you should not rely on hitting something like Focus Blast to hit, which is a 70% chance. And that scenario was not what I described. I said 2 iron heads + sucker punch and PuP + iron head + sucker punch. Nice try, though.

Er this is my bad, the op should read relying on hitting 2 FB in a row of something similar.

I dont want to bother myself doing the math but i figured i would clarify. If you take focus blast and need it to hit like, pawniard, it hits. However, if you need to 2hko Bronzor, it will not hit twice in a row, bc the chance is like 49% or something below 50 (unless im wrong then call me an idiot)

Zap cannon is 50%, so therefore the chance to win is not above 50. I.e, without conpoundeyes, lock on, gravity, etc, it will not hit. Its no different than hitting 2-3 Thunders in a row. Its also why you cant rely on scald burns 100% of the time bc the chance is only 30%

This is my bad, the op shouldve said hitting twi focus blasts in a row or something similar, and will be editted accordingly!

 

[RZL]

70% * 70% = 49%

Edit: I decide to actually add something!

Abra @ Eviolite
Ability: Magic Guard
Level: 5
EVs: 240 SpA / 240 Spe
Timid Nature
- Psychic
- Hidden Power [Fighting]
- Dazzling Gleam
- Shadow Ball

Eviolite Godbra!

 

[Tricking]

Stunky @ Choice Band
Ability: Aftermath
Level: 5
EVs: 12 HP / 252 Atk / 188 SpD / 56 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Explosion
- Play Rough
- Crunch
- Rock Smash

 

[PassablyFleek]

Magnemite @ Berry Juice
Level: 5
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 240 SpA / 240 SpD
Modest Nature
-Recycle
-Magic Coat
-Flash Cannon
-Thunderbolt

 

[sparktrain]

Drilbur @ Choice Band
Level: 5
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 36 HP / 236 Atk / 212 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide
- Shadow Claw
- Poison Jab

240+ SpA Magnemite Flash Cannon vs. 36 HP / 0 SpD Drilbur: 16-19 (69.5 - 82.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
236+ Atk Choice Band Mold Breaker Drilbur Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Magnemite: 96-112 (505.2 - 589.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

bonus points if you don't use air balloon

 

[Fiend]

Drilbur @ Choice Band
Level: 5
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 36 HP / 236 Atk / 212 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide
- Shadow Claw
- Poison Jab

240+ SpA Magnemite Flash Cannon vs. 36 HP / 0 SpD Drilbur: 16-19 (69.5 - 82.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
236+ Atk Choice Band Mold Breaker Drilbur Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Magnemite: 96-112 (505.2 - 589.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

bonus points if you don't use air balloon

Squirtle @ Eviolite
Ability: Torrent
Level: 5
EVs: 4 HP / 212 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Fake Out
- Aqua Jet
- Zen Headbutt
- Ice Punch

236+ Atk Choice Band Mold Breaker Drilbur Earthquake vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Eviolite Squirtle: 16-19 (76.1 - 90.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
(16, 16, 16, 16, 16, 16, 16, 16, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 19)
252+ Atk Squirtle Fake Out vs. 36 HP / 0 Def Drilbur: 5-6 (21.7 - 26%) -- 0.1% chance to 4HKO
(5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6)
252+ Atk Torrent Squirtle Aqua Jet vs. 36 HP / 0 Def Drilbur: 20-26 (86.9 - 113%) -- 75% chance to OHKO
(20, 20, 20, 20, 24, 24, 24, 24, 24, 24, 24, 24, 24, 24, 24, 26)

 

[S0L1D G0LD]

Pumpkaboo-Small @ Eviolite
Level: 5
Ability: Insomnia
EVs: 4 Hp / 228 Atk / 36 Def / 228 Spe
Naive Nature
- Bullet Seed
- Phantom Force
- Trick-or-Treat
- Fire Blast

 

[sparktrain]

Vullaby @ Eviolite
Ability: Overcoat
Level: 5
EVs: 116 HP / 76 Atk / 236 Def / 76 SpD
Impish Nature
- Brave Bird
- Knock Off
- Leer
- Roost

228 Atk Pumpkaboo-Small Bullet Seed (5 hits) vs. 116 HP / 236+ Def Eviolite Vullaby: 5-10 (20 - 40%) -- approx. 1.1% chance to 3HKO
228 Atk Pumpkaboo-Small Phantom Force vs. 116 HP / 236+ Def Eviolite Vullaby: 3-4 (12 - 16%) -- possible 7HKO
228 Atk Pumpkaboo-Small Phantom Force vs. 116 HP / 236+ Def Eviolite Vullaby (Dark / Flying / Ghost): 7-9 (28 - 36%) -- 1.1% chance to 3HKO
0 SpA Pumpkaboo-Small Fire Blast vs. 116 HP / 76 SpD Eviolite Vullaby: 5-6 (20 - 24%) -- guaranteed 5HKO
76 Atk Vullaby Brave Bird vs. 4 HP / 36 Def Pumpkaboo-Small: 24-30 (114.2 - 142.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

 

[kingmidas]

Tyrunt @ Eviolite
Level: 5
Ability: Strong Jaw
EVs: 52 HP / 124 Atk / 76 SpD / 212 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Outrage
- Stone Edge
- Fire Fang

 

[Tricking]

Tyrunt @ Eviolite
Level: 5
Ability: Strong Jaw
EVs: 52 HP / 124 Atk / 76 SpD / 212 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Outrage
- Stone Edge
- Fire Fang

Spritzee @ Eviolite
Ability: Aroma Veil
Level: 5
EVs: 132 HP / 200 Def / 176 SpA
Quiet Nature
- Calm Mind
- Moonblast
- Psychic
- Hidden Power [Fighting]