Pokémon Yveltal

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  1. Jibaku

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    Whether Yveltal becomes Uber or not is a different story, but I can see this Pokemon having a lot of potential (even top tier). There's a lot to be said about Yveltal that a single skimthrough won't tell you.

    First of all - it's typing. I think some people underestimate it, but imo it's an extremely powerful typing. On the offense, it's top tier typing with only 6 possible type comboes resisting it, and less that possess them (and even less that are actually tanky enough to withstand Yveltal). This, combined with a decent number of Pokemon in Ubers weak to Dark, really gives Yveltal an edge. Oh and there's Dark Aura, which as far as I've calculated in numerous Vs. Yveltal vids on youtube (lol I had nothing better to do), is approximately a 30% boost, which grants Yveltal some driving force behind its Dark-type assaults.

    On the defense, Dark/Flying brings interesting perks such as immunity to Psystrike/neutrality to Aura Sphere, resistance to Ghost (means so much more now with Steels losing their resistance to Ghost, and there aren't many good Normals in Ubers), and immunity to Spikes/Toxic Spikes. Lacking a weakness to Dragon is also a big plus to defensive Pokemon, and Yveltal certainly has the bulk to pull a defensive set off. Its weaknesses are honestly not too problematic, because unless the move is STABed Yveltal can probably shrug it off (SpDef Yveltal takes 50% max from Mega Mewtwo Y Ice Beam).

    Yveltal's movepool is also quite interesting. It's relatively small, but when you combine that with everything it has, Yveltal can pull off numerous sets with different outcomes. Not many other Pokemon has a movepool as concise as Yveltal's, while remaining unpredictable. Kyogre is probably the closest I can think of.

    The other thing that strikes me as interesting is that Yveltal does not need to invest in offense to deal respectable damage (Foul Play), but also does not need to invest in defenses due to its powerful Sucker Punch (strongest priority in the game, might I add?), and sustain from Oblivion Wing. This fact can make Yveltal a deceptive threat.

    I ran some calcs yesterday regarding its offensive and defensive potential but I'm too lazy to find them. I'll tell you this though - Don't set up your mega Lucario in front of a Foul Play Yveltal - it can potentially OHKO you.
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  2. Fireburn

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    Yeah I'll concede SubDisable has a very hard time, but if Togekiss does not learn Moonblast then it will lose to the defensive set I posted. 0 SpA Togekiss Dazzling Gleam maxes at 38% damage which is never a 2HKO on 248/252+ Yveltal factoring in Stealth Rock and Leftovers. Yveltal can then Toxic Togekiss and beat it one-on-one since it is faster. Even if Togekiss gets Moonblast, Taunt and Toxic will still ruin its day.

    You're underestimating Yveltal's defensive potential IMO. The ability to check Ghost-types reliably (not weak to Fighting coverage moves!) is huge considering how much they've been buffed this gen. Fully invested Yveltal has defensive stats of 455 HP / 226 Def / 324 SDef, which is not insignificant or underwhelming at all. It's about the same bulk (slightly better) as 248/0 Ho-Oh, except Yveltal isn't as weak to SR and gets Taunt.
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    Just out of curiosity, what stops yveltal from being setup bait for xerneas?
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    Flying-STAB moves, Toxic from defensive sets, U-turn.

    Yveltal has great synergy with steels such as Scizor, Jirachi, Metagross, and Bronzong as well.
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    Something tells me hurricane/oblivion wing are doing more to xerneas at +2 SpD than I would think, or I'm missing something here.
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    Well it's gonna have issues switching into Yveltal's STABs first of all. Speed ties also suck.

    That and Yveltal could use Acrobatics which will do a good 54% min assuming no Flying Gem.
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    Ok, I know it's bulk and stealth rock wealness might not make it seem worthwhile, but I have been running a set of Toxic / Substitute / Oblivion Wing / Filler Move. It can really stall well, between an OK 99 Speed and 75% recovery, it could even run some random berry or anything else. I can see it as a wall, even if everyone else just looks at it as a badass bird )=
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    just a quck question: who releases base stats and when are they generally relesed?
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    Base Stats? Most of them have been found the old fashioned way: Testing.
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    Taunt and Roost are interesting options on this thing.A set of Taunt/Hurricane/Dark Pulse/Roost with fast Tankish spread is worth running on offensive teams checking threats like Arceus Ghost while breaking stall and stoping many defensive and support pokes.SR weakness is very annoying for it though as it cannot switch in and out as it likes without wasting turns for recovery.

    Oblivion Wing is too weak to be of decent use imo,or at least won't have much advantages over the reliable roost.131 Attacking stats aren't really high by uber standards.I think Yveltal's potential is mainly in it's defensive sets and maybe the Taunt+Roost attacker set I mentioned.
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    Really? 80 BP, with STAB, recovering 75% health isn't good? Taunt is good too, Sub / Toxic / Taunt / Oblivion Wing seems the way to go if you would like a stally tankish thing.
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    I know approximately jack-shit about the Ubers metagame, but maybe a Substitute+3 Attacks with Life Orb (usually not a good combination but Yveltal needs the boost from it and has Oblivion Wing) could be effective?

    move 1: Dark Pulse
    move 2: Oblivion Wing
    move 3: Focus Blast
    move 4: Substitute
    item: Life Orb
    ability: Dark Aura
    nature: Timid
    EVs: 32 HP / 252 SpA / 232 Spe

    Fairly simple moveset. Dark Pulse and Oblivion Wing are there for STAB, and Focus Blast for dealing with Tyranitar and any Steel-types that can take a Dark Pulse. Oblivion Wing > Hurricane on this set because Substitute and Life Orb will kill Yveltal pretty quickly otherwise. 232 Speed EVs and a Timid nature allow you to outspeed 252+ Rayquaza and Kyurem-W, and 32 HP EVs gives you 401 HP, which is a Substitute number if I remember correctly.

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    Yveltal @ Life Orb
    Ability: Dark Aura
    EVs: 32 HP / 252 SAtk / 224 Spd
    Timid Nature
    - Dark Pulse
    - Oblivion Wing
    - Focus Blast
    - Substitute
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    Yea but I would rather run Hurricane+Roost.Of course it has it's use on the specs set or defensive sets that can't afford both of those moves.So kinda said that wrongly in my previous post.
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    Oblivion Wing is pretty much an extra recovery, slightly more powerful, flying version of Giga Drain.
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    I would prefer oblivion wing over hurricane because of the accuracy. I don't want to have to rely on focus miss and another 70 accuracy move.
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    Actually, Yveltal cannot learn Payback lol.
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    My boy Yveltal is going to eat some souls
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  18. Chesnaught

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    Yeah, but as already mentioned, it is unreliable out of Rain, which is nerfed now.
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    I think a he can also make great use of a sub/taunt + 3 attacks with Life Orb. Nothing can absolutely switch into it(Life Orb Dark Aura Dark Puls hurts neutrally) and thanks to Oblivion Wing he won't get worn out easily. I think his unique attributes and movepool make him perfect for such a set.
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    Goddammit

    Why does game freak keep doing things that cause Lugia to become less and less useful

    ;___;

    Thankfully it only has Focus Miss to hit (not hit?) Mega Tyranitar, which is probably going to become the better MegaPokemon in ubers (sorry mewtwo x/y and megagengar) just because it can check this total monstrosity of a Pokemon, especially the Choice Locked ones.
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    Can someone run some calculation (both offensive and defensive) on those potential sets?

    Yveltal
    Modest 252Hp 252SAtk 4Spe
    @ Life Orb
    U-turn (yeah i know with modest isn't gonna hurt much but i didn't want to lose bulk)
    Oblivion Wing
    Dark Pulse
    Focus Blast

    Calm 252Hp 4SAtk 252SDef
    @ Assault vest
    Taunt
    Substitute
    Oblivion Wing
    Dark Pulse
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    Why did u run attack evs with all special moves? Why waste it all only for U-turn?
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    ...he didn't? He ran SpA on both sets.
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    Oops
    Didn't see the S. XD
  25. Destiny Bondage

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    maybe a mixed set with hone claws and hurricane + other moves could be viable?
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