Zapdos (Concise + Update)

Snorlaxe · Apr 15, 2010

All I can say is thank Jesus this is shorter (and more up to date with today's metagame)!

Status: the quality is fine...upload?

http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/zapdos

[Overview]

Zapdos has an excellent defensive typing, which boasts resistances and immunities to the most common moves of top-tier OU threats such as Scizor, Lucario, and Metagross. Although Zapdos's Stealth Rock weakness limits its walling capabilities, Roost and Rapid Spin support help combat that problem. Zapdos is capable of taking on many of the OU tier's top physical and special threats thanks to its all-around great stats and typing. Its high Special Attack and good Speed allow it to perform wonderfully in an offensive role, and it can even use Baton Pass to effectively support its teammates with stat boosts. Unfortunately, Zapdos struggles with the ever-popular Tyranitar (among other Pokemon), although this can be remedied with proper team support. Despite a few flaws, Zapdos is still a very effective Pokémon, and is a threat who should always be considered when building a team.

[SET]
name: Physically Defensive
move 1: Thunderbolt
move 2: Roost
move 3: Hidden Power Grass / Hidden Power Ice
move 4: Heat Wave / Roar
item: Leftovers
nature: Bold
evs: 248 HP / 228 Def / 32 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

With only two weaknesses, good stats overall, Roost for recovery, and Pressure to waste opponents' PP, this Zapdos makes a great tank. Given these traits, Zapdos can come in with relative safety against various OU tanks, walls, and sweepers. From there, you can stall out your opponents with Roost, or deal some damage with Thunderbolt, which will hurt even with no EV investment thanks to Zapdos' base 125 Special Attack.

With Heat Wave, Zapdos can run Hidden Power Grass over Hidden Power Ice, losing super effective coverage on Gliscor and Salamence, but gaining the ability to beat its biggest counter, Swampert. If you decide to run Roar, use Hidden Power Ice so that you will have better type coverage. Heat Wave OHKOes Scizor, who might otherwise Roost off the damage dealt by a neutral Thunderbolt. The 32 Speed EVs are used so that Zapdos can still outrun max Speed non-Scarf Tyranitar.

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

Even though this Zapdos makes a great defensive addition to any team, it's fairly easy to wall. As with any special attacker, Blissey is the most effective counter to this set. A bulky user of Pursuit can help deal with Blissey; Scizor is a perfect candidate for this thanks to his sky-high Attack and access to Superpower. Metagross is another excellent choice, as it resists both of Zapdos's weaknesses and can seriously damage Blissey with his STAB Meteor Mash. Zapdos also has issues with Stealth Rock, making a Rapid Spinner, such as Starmie, very beneficial on your team.

Other counters to Zapdos vary depending on which moves you choose. Swampert can easily stop any Zapdos who lacks Hidden Power Grass, while Celebi does not fear Zapdos who lack Heat Wave. Tyranitar’s high Special Defense and STAB Rock-type moves make him a suitable counter to Zapdos as well. A Celebi of your own can force out Swampert with the threat of a Leaf Storm or Grass Knot. If you really fear Pursuit users, then Shaymin can accomplish many of the same things that Celebi can, but needs to run a more defensive set in order to do so.

[SET]
name: Specially Defensive
move 1: Thunderbolt
move 2: Roost
move 3: Thunder Wave / Light Screen
move 4: Heat Wave / Hidden Power Ice
item: Leftovers
nature: Calm
evs: 248 HP / 228 SpD / 32 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

This is similar to the Physically Defensive set, but with a spread focused more on Special Defense. Though the sets appear similar, they play very differently. The Special Defense EVs allow Zapdos to switch in more easily against special attackers like Heatran and Starmie, two Pokemon who Zapdos usually has trouble coming in on. Zapdos still has enough Defense to switch in on most unboosted neutral physical attacks, though super effective hits will significantly damage it.

Thunderbolt is Zapdos' primary STAB attack, and even with no Special Attack EVs, it will deal a healthy amount of damage to any Pokemon who doesn’t resist it. Roost allows Zapdos to restore 50% of its health in one turn, which helps on such a defensive Pokemon. Thunder Wave is the main choice in the third slot to provide paralysis support, but Light Screen can be used to better sponge special hits and support your team. Heat Wave is the best choice in the final slot to hit Steel-types, but Hidden Power Ice can be used instead if you wish to hit Dragon- and Ground-types. If using Hidden Power Ice, an alternate EV spread of 248 HP / 224 SpD / 36 Spe should be used with 19 Attack IVs and 30 Speed IVs.

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

This set runs into many of the same problems as the previous set. Blissey and Tyranitar still wall this set. Metagross, Scizor, Tyranitar, and Machamp are very good partners to this set to help cover Zapdos' weakness to the aforementioned Pokemon. Swampert and Celebi are also good switch-ins against this set, although they will struggle to beat Zapdos one-on-one. Toxic Spikes are a great complement to this set since Zapdos' counters are usually grounded, specially-based walls who rely on recovery to win. It is also important to note that this set will have more difficulty countering powerful physical threats due to its lower Defense stat, so make sure to back Zapdos up appropriately with physically bulky Pokemon like Gliscor, Rotom-A, and Skarmory.

[SET]
name: SubRoost
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Roost
move 3: Thunderbolt
move 4: Hidden Power Ice / Toxic
item: Leftovers
nature: Timid
evs: 192 HP / 64 Def / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

Zapdos' best way of annoying the opponent is stalling them out with Substitute and Roost when Toxic Spikes are up, and it does quite a good job at it. This set is designed to be used in conjunction with Toxic Spikes, and aims to accumulate poison damage on some of Zapdos's usual switch-ins, while taking advantage of Pressure to waste your opponent's PP. Common victims of this strategy include Tyranitar, non-Cleric Blissey, and Thick Fat Snorlax. Substitute and Roost, when used wisely, will block status and keep Zapdos at high health.

Almost all Flying-type Pokemon immune to Toxic Spikes will fall to Zapdos' STAB Thunderbolt, or in Gliscor's case, Hidden Power Ice. Toxic is also a viable option in the last slot if you decide to not run this set alongside Toxic Spikes, though it is recommended that you do. Toxic has additional usefulness in poisoning Pokémon immune to Toxic Spikes, namely Pokemon with Levitate, such as Rotom-A, who would otherwise switch in and set up on Zapdos. Thankfully, few Steel-type Pokemon can reliably switch in against this Zapdos. Heatran and Calm Mind Wish Jirachi can give this set trouble, as well as Metagross with Ice Punch. Metagross without Ice Punch, however, can be outstalled and worn down with Thunderbolt, while Empoleon has very little chance of achieving much.

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

This Zapdos successfully combines the ability to outstall most walls and outspeed many common Pokemon, such as Adamant Lucario. Maximizing Speed can also prove to be a worthwhile investment on this set, as Zapdos can freely set up a Substitute before taking hits from threats such as Jolly Lucario. It also gets a free Substitute if it comes in on a Choice-locked Ground-type move, such as Choice Scarf Tyranitar's Earthquake.

Baton Pass can also be used in place of Hidden Power Ice. Baton Pass allows Zapdos to Pass a Substitute to a teammate when a counter comes in. For example, if Tyranitar switches in on Zapdos, it can Baton Pass out to a Lucario waiting in the wings. At that point, Lucario will have a Substitute up, and will be able to easily set up a Swords Dance and sweep. Baton Pass also helps for scouting Zapdos' counters, although if you're interested in doing that, you will be better off with U-turn.

Since the aim of this set is to stall, this Zapdos works best when paired with Toxic Spikes. Forretress and Tentacruel resist the Ice-type attacks aimed at Zapdos, can set up Toxic Spikes, and are able to Rapid Spin Stealth Rock away to assist Zapdos further. Roserade and Smeargle do not work particularly well with Zapdos defensively, but they deserve a mention because they are the only other OU Pokemon who can reliably set up Toxic Spikes for your team, and can put a Pokemon to sleep with Sleep Powder and Spore respectively. If you find yourself in a situation where Zapdos is easily countered by your opponent’s team, Baton Pass might prove to be a worthwhile option in conjunction with Substitute, allowing your teammates to get in for free even if Zapdos is incapable of stalling out the opposition.

[SET]
name: Offensive
move 1: Thunderbolt
move 2: Heat Wave
move 3: Hidden Power Grass / Hidden Power Ice
move 4: Roost
item: Life Orb / Leftovers
nature: Timid / Modest
evs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

Offensive Zapdos can be quite a threat to teams that expect a weaker, more defensive Zapdos. The given attacks provide surprisingly good coverage in OU, and with Zapdos' massive Special Attack, can heavily damage many common Pokemon. With Hidden Power Ice as your last move, no Pokemon outside of Lanturn resists the entirety of this set. Zapdos is a very durable Pokemon, even with no EV investment in its defenses, and with Roost, it can still be very difficult to take down.

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

Life Orb is the recommended item for the extra power, but Leftovers is viable as well for improving Zapdos' longevity. If Swampert isn't a problem for you, Hidden Power Grass can be replaced by Hidden Power Ice for a psuedo-BoltBeam combination, which provides excellent type coverage. A Timid nature is preferred in order to outspeed more threats, but a Modest nature can be used if you would prefer more power.

This set is a bit more difficult to counter than the defensive sets because it makes use of Zapdos' impressive Special Attack stat and type coverage, but it is still stopped cold by Blissey. Physically bulky Pursuit users are a great way to deal with her. Because of the lack of defensive investment, this Zapdos is especially prone to revenge killing. When using this set, it is important that you also pair it up with Pokemon who can switch in on the likes of Mamoswine's Ice Shard, Lucario's ExtremeSpeed, and to a lesser extent, Scizor's Bullet Punch. A Skarmory, Choice Scarf Magnezone, or your own Scizor can be used to remedy these weaknesses. Skarmory gets a special mention as he can effectively use Spikes to rack up residual damage on the opponent and punish them for switching in and out of Zapdos.

[SET]
name: Choice
move 1: Thunderbolt
move 2: Hidden Power Ice / Hidden Power Grass
move 3: Heat Wave
move 4: U-turn
item: Choice Scarf / Choice Specs
nature: Timid
evs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

Choice Scarf Zapdos is meant to lead, and gives issues to common leads like Azelf, Metagross, and Heatran. If the opposing lead is not a good match up, Zapdos can U-turn out to an appropriate counter. Hidden Power Ice is chosen because it complements Thunderbolt and allows Zapdos to revenge kill Dragonite and Salamence. If defeating Swampert is of absolute importance, Hidden Power Grass is usable on this set, though Hidden Power Ice is preferred. With Heat Wave, Zapdos can reliably revenge kill opposing Steel-types such as Agility Metagross. The given EVs allow Choice Scarf Zapdos to Speed tie with +1 Dragon Dance Salamence, and possibly revenge kill him with Hidden Power Ice. This is very important, as Dragon Dance Salamence is arguably the most threatening sweeper in today's metagame. Choice Specs could be used as an alternative item on this set for more power, but Choice Scarf is generally preferred as it allows Zapdos to act as a more effective revenge killer.

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

Much like with other Zapdos sets, Blissey will wall you to no end. Swampert is a good match-up against this set, as is Tyranitar (though both need to watch out for Hidden Power Grass). If your opponent is especially gutsy, they could even send in a Water-type to sponge Heat Wave or Hidden Power Ice and force you to take more damage from Stealth Rock. In order to fix these problems, Scizor makes a great partner, since it is capable of dealing with Tyranitar and Blissey quite easily. Zapdos' weakness to Stealth Rock is a massive hindrance for a Choice set, as without Roost you are sacrificing one of its best assets in its defensive longevity. Because of that, pairing this Zapdos with a Wish user such as Jirachi or your own Blissey can greatly prolong Zapdos' lifespan. Rapid Spin support is also helpful; Starmie and Tentacruel are good choices for this role.

[SET]
name: Baton Pass
move 1: Agility
move 2: Substitute
move 3: Baton Pass
move 4: Thunderbolt
item: Leftovers
nature: Timid
evs: 248 HP / 136 Def / 88 SpA / 36 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

This set is fairly straightforward: set up an Agility while your opponent switches to their Zapdos counter, Substitute while you're faster than the opposing Pokemon, and then Baton Pass to a sweeper with low Speed. Physical attackers are often the best choices as they scare off Blissey and fare well against Electric-types like Jolteon, who are common switch-ins to Zapdos. It is important to note that this set is meant to be played defensively, utilizing Zapdos' amazing typing and bulk to get the Baton Pass off instead of just boosting your stats, setting up a Substitute, and attempting to sweep.

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

This set has a defensive set-up to ensure that Zapdos has the bulk for pulling off an Agility and Substitute. You can afford to cut down on Speed here because you will be outspeeding the vast majority of OU after an Agility, except Choice Scarfers like Starmie. The 36 Speed EVs are recommended to beat Jolly Tyranitar even if your Speed IV is 30 (because of Hidden Power Ice), but you may want to use a bit more Speed in order to outpace common Choice Scarfers such as Flygon or Heatran after an Agility. The Defense is there so Zapdos can take physical hits from Pokemon like Gyarados or Metagross, but you can shift it to Special Defense if you want to stand a better chance against Starmie, Heatran, and other powerful special attackers.

As with most Baton Passers, this Zapdos is fairly difficult for your opponent to counter directly. Good supporters would be Pokemon such as Metagross or Lucario, who are relatively easy to Baton Pass to with their resistances to both of Zapdos's weaknesses. Other slow-but-powerful Pokemon can use this to their advantage, such as Swords Dance Heracross, Swords Dance Rhyperior, and Nasty Plot Porygon-Z. Machamp is also a good choice, as he is extremely difficult to deal with once he gets an Agility boost under his belt. Since nearly every Pokemon in the game benefits from a +2 Speed boost, this Zapdos will surely be an asset to your team. Zapdos can effectively Baton Pass Substitutes as well, something many Pokemon benefit greatly from. Frail Pokemon in particular appreciate having a Substitute Passed to them, as the Substitute allows them to take a hit that they would otherwise take heavy damage from.

[Team Options]

Like nearly every special attacker in the game, Zapdos is walled by Blissey. It is important to carry a Pokemon who can reliably switch into her so that Zapdos does not get hit with a harmful status effect. Pokemon such as Tyranitar, Machamp, Metagross, and Snorlax are perfect for this role. Since most of Zapdos's counters are vulnerable to Pursuit, you will want to pair Zapdos with a reliable user of the move, such as Scizor or Tyranitar.

Bulky Ground-types such as Swampert and Hippowdon can also reliably counter Zapdos. Hidden Power Grass is mentioned on almost every set solely to prevent these Pokémon from easily walling you. Using a Grass-type such as Celebi or Shaymin can help in getting rid of these Pokemon. Bulky Water-types, such as Suicune, Gyarados, or your own Swampert, could be just as useful when dealing with these threats.

One of Zapdos' biggest issues is its weakness to Stealth Rock. For this reason, Rapid Spin support is hugely appreciated. Life Orb Starmie makes a great partner as it can reliably deal with the Ground-types who wall Zapdos and can also defeat common Spin blockers with its STAB Hydro Pump. Toxic Spikes will greatly benefit Zapdos in stalling out its counters, so they are very beneficial to have if Zapdos is playing a defensive role. Tentacruel and Forretress make good partners for this reason with their Rapid Spin and Toxic Spikes support.

[Legal IVs for Hidden Power]

The following IVs are necessary for each Hidden Power type with the given natures, assuming all other IVs are 31:

<dl>
<dt>Hidden Power Grass</dt>
<dd>Modest: 30 Def / 30 SpA</dd>
<dd>Timid: 2 Atk / 30 SpA</dd>
<dd>Bold: 14 Atk / 30 SpA</dd>
<dd>Calm: 14 Atk / 30 SpA</dd>

<dt>Hidden Power Ice</dt>
<dd>Modest: 10 Atk / 30 Def</dd>
<dd>Timid: 22 Atk / 30 Def</dd>
<dd>Bold: 10 Atk / 30 Def</dd>
<dd>Calm: 19 Atk / 30 Spe</dd>

<dt>Hidden Power Fighting</dt>
<dd>Modest: 22 Atk / 30 Def / 30 SpA / 30 SpD / 30 Spe</dd>
<dd>Timid: 30 Atk / 30 Def / 30 SpA / 30 SpD / 30 Spe</dd>
<dd>Bold: 10 Atk / 30 Def / 30 SpA / 30 SpD / 30 Spe</dd>
<dd>Calm: 3 Atk / 30 Def / 30 SpA / 30 SpD / 30 Spe</dd>
</dl>

[Optional Changes]

Zapdos is a sturdy user of Rain Dance and can take advantage of it with a 100% accurate STAB Thunder off one of the highest Special Attack stats in OU. It can also run the defensive set with Rest and Sleep Talk that was standard in ADV, but it is very difficult to use in the heavily offensive D/P metagame. Thunder Wave is a good choice to support a slower team, especially one with a slow sweeper like Rhyperior. Discharge can replace Thunderbolt on any set to abuse its 30% paralysis rate at the cost of a lower Base Power. Zapdos is also capable of utilizing a Metal Sound set, but it requires a lot more team support than it is usually worth.

Generally, you'll want a defensive Zapdos to have nearly maxed out HP and a ton of EVs in either of its defenses. It is important to remember that using 248 HP EVs is more beneficial than fully maximizing HP, since it allows you to switch into Stealth Rock five times instead of four. Using max HP does allow you recover additional HP with Leftovers, however. On offensive Zapdos, you should always max Speed to at least Speed tie with opposing max investment base 100 Speed Pokemon. The defensive Roost sets can opt for a faster spread if you want them to beat Lucario more easily; 176 Speed EVs with a Speed-boosting nature will outspeed all non-Scarfed Lucario. HP should then be maxed, and the remaining 80 EVs should be poured into Special Attack or Defense. On more defensive Zapdos sets, it doesn't hurt to invest in a bit more Speed to outspeed key threats.

[Counters]

Blissey and Snorlax stop all of Zapdos' attacks cold. Electric-types do well against Zapdos, especially those who are immune to Thunderbolt, like Jolteon or Electivire. Flygon and Gliscor have a relatively easy time against Zapdos lacking Hidden Power Ice, while Swampert can wall Zapdos who aren't running Hidden Power Grass. Grass-types such as Celebi or Roserade function well against some Zapdos, but must be wary of Heat Wave and U-turn. With Sand Stream boosting its Special Defense, Tyranitar makes an excellent response to Zapdos, particularly specially defensive versions. Although Zapdos can conceivably stall out Stone Edge's low PP - Pressure only gives Tyranitar four chances to use it - Tyranitar can beat Zapdos by using Crunch.

twash · Apr 15, 2010

I have lots to say about Zapdos in general. Firstly, why is SubRoost so low? It's more popular and a better set (but that's personal view), and should be above Choice Zapdos. Next of all, not many Zapdos are specially defensive whereas offensive Zapdos is hardly unpopular. However, I would be willing to keep the specially defensive Zapdos above offensive Zapdos "simply" so that it is near its counterpart, the physically defensive version. It seems silly to have them seperate because this way it is easier to compare the differences between the two. The order, in my book, should be Physically Defensive, Specially Defensive, Offensive, SubRoost, Choice, Baton Pass. The last two could go either way around.

I think you need to be clearer on your Specially Defensive set. For example:

The Special Defense EVs allow Zapods to switch in much more easily against special attackers like Latias and Heatran.

And later on it says:

This set runs into many of the same problems as the previous set. Blissey, Latias, and Tyranitar still wall this set.

Why would you switch into Latias if it walls you? Just be careful of how you phrase it, I would be more specific in this scenario.

but Sleep Talk can be used as well to make Zapdos into a status absorber.

Again, I would specify sleep. Lack of Rest means that Zapdos dislikes the majority and most popular status attacks (burn, toxic, paralysis).

I am also bemused at the lack of Thunder Wave on the Specially Defensive set, I expected it to be slashed in with Light Screen to be honest. Despite crippling obvious special attackers like Gengar in a one vs. one situation, it also helps cripple Tyranitar (especially Scarf Tyranitar) for the rest of the game (barring Heal Bellers and Aromatherpists, obviously). It will also annoy Latias who may plan on coming into Zapdos to wall the set, or use Trick.

I wouldn't have minded keeping the Hidden Power Ice vs. Hidden Power Grass section, but only for ease of getting all the information in one paragraph instead of spread out. However, I don't think it totally matters because the majority of people will be reading the set comments to choose a set from Zapdos' many viable options.

Good and necessary revamp, though.

Zystral · Apr 15, 2010

MS Dos is the only Zapdos I'd ever use.
MS alone lets it take down a lot of its common counters such as Swampert. Also, it's too different to slash in on the Offensive Zapdos set, plus its play style is vastly different and requires different team support.

Also I'll be proofreading this later when my mood isn't utterly ruined, so -derp-

[Overview]

Zapdos has tremendous defensive typing, which includes resistances or immunities to the most common moves of top-tier OU threats such as Scizor, Lucario, and Flygon. Although Zapdos’ Stealth Rock weakness limits its walling capabilities, Roost and Rapid Spin support help combat that problem. Zapdos is capable of taking on many of the OU tier’s top physical threats thanks to its all-around great stats and typing. Zapdos’ high Special Attack means that it can also perform wonderfully in an offensive role, and can even use Baton Pass to effectively support its teammates with stat boosts. Despite a few flaws, Zapdos is still a very effective Pokémon; certainly a defensive threat who should always be considered when building a team.

[SET]
name: Physically Defensive
move 1: Thunderbolt
move 2: Roost
move 3: Hidden Power Grass / Hidden Power Ice
move 4: Heat Wave / Roar
item: Leftovers
nature: Bold
evs: 248 HP / 228 Def / 32 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

With only two weaknesses, good stats overall, Roost for recovery, and Pressure to waste opponents' PP, this Zapdos makes a great tank. You can come in with relative safety against many top OU sweepers and various tanks and walls. From there you can stall out your opponents with Roost, or deal some damage with Thunderbolt, which will hurt even with no EV investment thanks to Zapdos’ Base 125 Special Attack.

With Heat Wave, Zapdos can run Hidden Power Grass over Hidden Power Ice, losing super effective coverage on Gliscor, and Salamence, but gaining the ability to beat its biggest counter, Swampert. If you do run Roar, use Hidden Power Ice so that you will have better type coverage. Be advised that to beat maximum HP Scizor, Heat Wave is needed to prevent it from Roosting off the damage dealt by a neutral Thunderbolt, since you lack Special Attacking power when using this bulky EV spread.

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

Even though this Zapdos makes a great defensive addition to any team, it is fairly easy to wall. As with any specially-based attacker, Blissey is the most effective counter to this set. Metagross is especially appealing since it resists both of Zapdos’ weaknesses. Latias is another Pokémon who does not mind taking attacks from Zapdos, thanks to her high Special Defense; resistance to Electric, Fire, and Grass; and her access to Calm Mind. A bulky user of Pursuit can help cover these weaknesses, making Scizor is a perfect candidate for this, as it resists both of Latias’ STAB moves. Zapdos also has issues with Stealth Rock, making a Rapid Spinner such as Starmie can be very beneficial on your team.

Other counters to Zapdos vary a bit depending on which moves you choose. Swampert can easily stop any Zapdos who lacks Hidden Power Grass while Celebi does not fear Zapdos who lack Heat Wave. Tyranitar’s high Special Defense and STAB Rock-type moves make it a suitable counter to Zapdos as well. A Celebi of your own can force out Swampert with the threat of a Leaf Storm or Grass Knot, while Life Orb Latias can take care of Salamence or Gliscor if you lack Hidden Power Ice. Both of these Pokemon can be easily Pursuited by Tyranitar, however.

[SET]
name: SubRoost
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Roost
move 3: Thunderbolt
move 4: Hidden Power Ice / Toxic
item: Leftovers
nature: Timid
evs: 248 HP / 184 SpD / 76 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

Zapdos' best way of annoying the opponent is stalling them out with Substitute and Roost when Toxic Spikes are up, and it does quite a good job at it. The aim of this set is to be used in conjunction with Toxic Spikes to accumulate poison damage on some of Zapdos's usual switch-ins, while taking advantage of Pressure to waste your opponent's PP. This includes Tyranitar, non-Cleric Blissey, and Thick Fat Snorlax. Substitute and Roost used wisely will keep you at high health while also being able to block status.

Almost all Flying Pokémon immune to Toxic Spikes will fall to Zapdos' STAB Thunderbolt, or in Gliscor's case, Hidden Power Ice. Toxic is also a viable option in the last slot if you decide to not run this set alongside Toxic Spikes, though it is recommended that you do. Toxic has additional usefulness in poisoning Pokémon immune to Toxic Spikes, namely Flying-types. Few Steel-type Pokémon can reliably switch in (with the exception of Heatran and Calm Mind Wish Jirachi). Metagross without Ice Punch can be outstalled and worn down with Thunderbolt, and Empoleon has a very little chance of not falling.

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

Zapdos does a good job outstalling most walls and outspeeding many Pokémon, and this set combines those two assets perfectly. This version of Zapdos outspeeds Adamant Lucario and can take multiple hits from it. Maximizing Speed can also prove to be a worthwhile investment on this set, as Zapdos has a great Base 100 Speed to abuse. This can prove invaluable in letting you set up a fast Substitute before taking hits from things such as Salamence and Jolly Lucario. It also gets a free Substitute if it comes in on a Choice-locked Earthquake. The same goes for Heatran's Choiced Earth Power.

Since the aim of this set is to stall, this Zapdos obviously works best when paired with Toxic Spikes. Forretress and Tentacruel both resist Ice and can set Toxic Spikes up, while also being able to Rapid Spin Stealth Rock away to benefit Zapdos even more. Roserade and Smeargle do not particularly work well with Zapdos defensively, but they deserve mention because they are the only other Pokémon who can reliably set Toxic Spikes up for your team in OU. If you find yourself in a situation where Zapdos is easily countered by your opponent’s team, Baton Pass might prove to be a worthwhile option in conjunction with Substitute on this set, allowing your teammates to get in for free even if Zapdos is incapable of stalling.

[SET]
name: Specially Defensive
move 1: Thunderbolt
move 2: Roost
move 3: Light Screen / Sleep Talk
move 4: Heat Wave / Hidden Power Ice
item: Leftovers
nature: Calm
evs: 248 HP / 224 SpD / 36 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

This is similar to the Defensive Roost set, but with a spread focused more on Special Defense. Though the sets are similar, they play very differently - the Special Defense EVs allow Zapods to switch in much more easily against special attackers like Heatran, while Zapods still has enough Defense to switch in on most unboosted neutral physical attacks, though super effective hits will damage it significantly more than the Physically Defensive set..

Thunderbolt is Zapdos’ main form of STAB, and even with no EV investment in Special Attack, will deal a healthy amount of damage to any Pokemon who doesn’t resist it. Roost allows Zapods to restore 50% of its health in one turn, which helps on such a defensive Pokemon. Thunder Wave is the main choice in the third slot to provide paralysis support, but Light Screen can be used to better sponge special hits and support your team. Heat Wave is the best choice in the final slot to hit Steel-types, but Hidden Power Ice can be used instead if you wish to hit Dragons.

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

This set runs into many of the same problems as the previous set. Blissey, Latias, and Tyranitar still wall this set. Metagross, Scizor, Tyranitar, and Machamp are very good partners to this set to help cover those weaknesses. Swampert and Celebi are also very good switch-ins against this set, although they will struggle to beat Zapdos one on one. Toxic Spikes are a great complement to this set as well since Zapdos’ counters are usually specially-based walls who rely on recovery to win. It is also important to note that this set will have more difficulty countering powerful physical threats due to its lower Defense stat, so make sure to back Zapdos up appropriately with Pokémon like Gliscor, Rotom-A, and Skarmory.

[SET]
name: Offensive
move 1: Thunderbolt
move 2: Heat Wave
move 3: Hidden Power Grass / Hidden Power Ice
move 4: Roost
item: Life Orb / Leftovers
nature: Timid / Modest
evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

Offensive Zapdos can be quite a threat to teams that expect a weaker, more defensive Zapdos. The given attacks provide surprisingly good coverage in OU, and with Zapdos's massive Special Attack, can wreak quite some havoc as a result. With Hidden Power Ice as your last move, no Pokémon resists all of the moves besides the uncommon Lanturn. Add in the fact that Zapdos is very bulky even with no EV investment and has access to Roost to heal off damage, and you’ll find that this set can be a very durable offensive powerhouse.

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

Life Orb is the recommended item for the extra power, but Leftovers is somewhat viable as well for allowing Zapdos to heal damage gradually. If Swampert is of little concern, Hidden Power Grass can be dropped for Hidden Power Ice for a psuedo-BoltBeam combo. Timid nature is the preferred choice for the purpose of outspeeding more threats, but a Modest nature can be used instead if you would rather have more power as opposed to more Speed.

This set is a bit more difficult to counter than the previous two sets because it emphasizes Zapdos’ impressive Special Attack stat, but it is still stopped cold by Blissey. Physically bulky Pursuit users are a great way to deal with her. Because of the lack of defensive investment, this Zapdos is especially prone to revenge killing. When using this offensive set, it is important that you also pair it up with Pokémon who can switch into the likes of Mamoswine’s Ice Shard, Lucario’s ExtremeSpeed, and to a lesser extent, Scizor’s Bullet Punch. Skarmory, a Choice Scarf Magnezone, or even a Scizor of your own can be used to remedy this weakness. Skarmory gets a special mention as it can effectively use Spikes to rack up residual damage on the opponent and punish them for switching in and out of Zapdos.

[SET]
name: Baton Pass
move 1: Agility
move 2: Substitute
move 3: Baton Pass
move 4: Thunderbolt
item: Leftovers
nature: Timid
evs: 248 HP / 136 Def / 88 SpA / 36 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

This set is fairly straightforward: set up an Agility while your opponent switches to a Zapdos counter, Substitute while you’re faster than the opposing Pokemon, and then Baton Pass to a frail sweeper with low Speed. Physical attackers are often the best choices as they scare off Blissey, who is a very common switch-in to Zapdos, while also doing well against generic Electric-types like Jolteon who may also switch into Zapdos. It is important to note that this set is meant to be played defensively, utilizing Zapdos’ amazing typing and bulk to get the Baton Pass off instead of just boosting your stats, setting up a Substitute, and attempting to sweep. Roost can be used over Hidden Power if you would like; Roost will increase Zapdos’ longevity, allowing you to potentially gain more than one Agility or set up more than one Substitute. It also allows Zapdos to come back to Baton Pass at a later point. [hidden power isn't even mentioned on the set and neither should Roost.]

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

This set has a defensive set-up. You can afford to cut down on Speed here because you will be outspeeding everything after Agility except things like Choice Scarf Latias or Starmie. The 36 Speed EVs recommended allow you to beat Jolly Tyranitar even if your Speed IV is 30 (because of Hidden Power), but you may want to use a bit more Speed in order to outpace common Choice Scarfers such as Flygon or Heatran after an Agility. The Defense is here so you can take some hits from Pokémon like Gyarados or Metagross, but you can shift it to Special Defense so you stand a better chance against Starmie, Latias, and other special attackers.

As this set is designed to support its teammates, this Zapdos is fairly difficult for your opponent to counter directly. Good supporters would be Pokémon such as Metagross or Lucario, who would both be relatively easy to Baton Pass to considering they resist both of Zapdos’ weaknesses. Other slow-but-powerful Pokémon can use this to their advantage, such as Swords Dance Heracross or Rhyperior, and Nasty Plot Porygon-Z. Since nearly every Pokémon in the game benefits from +2 Speed, this Zapdos will surely be an asset to your team. Many Pokemon also benefit from being Passed a Substitute, and Zapdos can effectively do that as well. Frail Pokemon in particular appreciate a Substitute Pass, as it allows them to take a hit that they would otherwise take heavy damage from.

[SET]
name: Choice
move 1: Thunderbolt
move 2: Hidden Power Ice / Hidden Power Grass
move 3: Heat Wave
move 4: U-turn
item: Choice Scarf / Choice Specs
nature: Timid
evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

Choice Scarf Zapdos is meant to lead and give issues to common leads like Azelf, Skarmory, and Heatran. If the opposing lead is not a great match up, Zapdos can U-turn away to an appropriate counter. Hidden Power Ice is chosen because it complements Thunderbolt well, and offers the chance to revenge kill Dragonite and Salamence. If defeating Swampert is of absolute importance, Hidden Power Grass is also completely viable on this set. With Heat Wave, Zapdos can reliably revenge kill Swords Dance Lucario and other Steel-types. The given EVs allow Zapdos to Speed tie with +1 Dragon Dance Salamence (if Zapdos is holding Choice Scarf), and possibly revenge kill it with Hidden Power Ice. This is very important, as Dragon Dance Salamence is arguably the most threatening sweeper in today’s metagame. Choice Specs could be used as an alternative item on this set for more power, but Choice Scarf is generally preferred as it allows Zapdos to act as a more effective revenge killer.

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

Much like with other Zapdos sets, Blissey will wall you to no end. Swampert is a pretty good matchup against this set, as is Tyranitar (though both need to watch out for Hidden Power Grass). If your opponent is especially gutsy, they could even send in a Water-type to resist Heat Wave or Hidden Power Ice and force you to take more damage from Stealth Rock. Latias also switches into this set with virtual impunity, but she must be wary of U-turn. In order to fix these problems, Scizor makes a great partner, capable of dealing with Tyranitar, Blissey, and Latias quite easily. Zapdos’ weakness to Stealth Rock is a massive hindrance for this set, as without Roost you are sacrificing one of its best assets in its defensive longevity. Because of that, pairing this Zapdos with a Wish user such as Jirachi or Blissey can be very beneficial. Rapid Spin support is also helpful; Starmie is a good choice to supply this.

[Team Options]

Like nearly every special attacker in the game, Zapdos is walled by Blissey. It is important to carry a Pokémon who can reliably switch into her so that Zapdos does not get hit with a harmful status effect. Pokémon such as Tyranitar, Machamp, Metagross, and Snorlax are perfect for this role. Latias also laughs at most Zapdos sets due to her typing, but Steel-types such as Scizor, Metagross, and Bronzong can once again come in handy here. Since most of Zapdos’ counters are vulnerable to Pursuit, it is a good idea to pair Zapdos with a reliable user of the move, like Scizor or Tyranitar.

Bulky Ground-types such as Swampert and Hippowdon can reliably counter Zapdos. Hidden Power Grass is mentioned on almost every set solely to prevent these Pokémon from easily walling you. Using a Grass-type such as Celebi or Tangrowth can help to get rid of these counters. Bulky Water-types such as Suicune, Gyarados, or your own Swampert could be just as useful in dealing with these threats.

One of Zapdos’ biggest issues is its weakness to Stealth Rock. For this reason, Rapid Spin support is hugely appreciated. Life Orb Starmie makes a great partner as it can reliably deal with Ground-types who wall Zapdos, and can also defeat common Spin blockers with its STAB Hydro Pump. Tentacruel and Forretress are also good partners, as they can supply both Rapid Spin and Toxic Spikes support; Toxic Spikes will greatly benefit Zapdos in stalling out its counters, so they are very beneficial to have if you are using Zapdos in a defensive role.

[Optional Changes]

Zapdos is a sturdy user of Rain Dance and can back it up with a 100% accurate, STAB Thunder off of one of the highest Special Attack stats in OU; Zapdos can use U-turn as well to switch to a sweeper. Zapdos can also use a defensive set utilizing Rest and Sleep Talk that was standard in Advance, but it is much more difficult to use in the heavily offensive metagame of the 4th generation. Thunder Wave is good as ever to support a slower team, and Light Screen can help in the Special Defense department. It will usually only be seen as a filler move, however. Discharge is a very viable choice for Zapdos thanks to its 30% paralysis rate.

Generally, you'll want a defensive Zapdos to have nearly maxed out HP and a ton in either of its defenses. It is important to remember that using 248 HP EVs is more beneficial than fully maximizing HP, since it allows you to switch into Stealth Rock 5 times instead of 4, in addition to reducing residual damage. Using max HP does allow you recover additional HP with Leftovers, but the common weather conditions in OU will nullify Leftovers recovery anyway. On sweeping sets, you should invest in Speed. On offensive Zapdos, you should always max Speed to at least Speed tie with opposing max Speed Salamence. The defensive Roost sets can opt for a faster spread if you want them to beat Lucario more easily. 176 Speed EVs with a Speed-boosting nature will outspeed all non-Scarfed Lucario. HP should then be maxed and the remaining 80 EVs poured into Special Attack or Defense.

[Counters]

Blissey and Snorlax stop all of Zapdos’ attacks cold. Electric-types do well against Zapdos, especially those immune to Thunderbolt, like Jolteon or Electivire. Flygon and Gliscor have a relatively easy time against Zapdos without Hidden Power Ice, while Swampert can wall Zapdos without Hidden Power Grass. Latias isn’t hit hard by any of Zapdos’ attacks, and can set up on Zapdos easily. Grass-types such as Celebi or Roserade can do well against some Zapdos, but must be wary of Heat Wave and U-turn. Steelix also does decently against versions who lack Heat Wave, and even boasts an immunity to Toxic. With Sand Stream boosting its Special Defense, Tyranitar makes an excellent counter, particularly the specially defensive versions. Although Zapdos can conceivably stall out Stone Edge's low PP (Pressure only gives Tyranitar 4 chances to use it), Tyranitar will beat Zapdos by using Crunch.

I also went ahead and reorganized your set order, putting SubRoost much higher and putting Baton Pass over Choice. Feel free to disagree, I just find Specially Defensive Zapdos not as stunning since it's outclassed, while not much others can SubRoost as effectively.

Here's my comments as a professional user of MS Dos if you want it again though:
[SET]
name: MS Dos
move 1: Metal Sound
move 2: Hidden Power Ice
move 3: Thunderbolt
move 4: Roost / Heat Wave
item: Life Orb
nature: Timid
evs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

Zapdos has access to Metal Sound from XD, which halves your opponent's Special Defense. This allows Zapdos to be an even more offensive force as it can now inflict double damage to any member of your foe's team. In particular, it allows Zapdos to overcome many of its common counters - Swampert is 2HKOed by Hidden Power Ice after a Metal Sound while Blissey is just barely 3HKOed by Thunderbolt. Hidden Power Ice is chosen over Hidden Power Grass since it allows Zapdos to KO most Dragons without a Metal Sound, while Latias is nearly OHKOed after Metal Sound.

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

Since Life Orb is the best item as it boosts Zapdos' power, Roost is the preferred option as it can negate Life Orb recoil. However, using Heat Wave allows Zapdos to KO most of the Steels that would resist Hidden Power Ice, although Heatran is OHKOed by Thunderbolt after -2 anyway. If you do run Heat Wave, Leftovers can be used to increase your longevity, although the power drop is unfavourable. Life Orb can be used with three attacks, but then your HP drops quickly without replenishment. 

Metal Sound is more likely to net you switches than KOs since most won't want to stay in on Zapdos' 125 Base Special Attack following a Special Defense drop. Because of this, any entry hazards are a great asset to have, as it also allows Zapdos to net the OHKO on the likes of Blissey or Latias. Forretress in particular is very useful, resisting the Ice attacks Zapdos is weak to, being able to set up all three entry hazards as well as Rapid Spinning away the Stealth Rock that hurt Zapdos.

Snorlaxe · Apr 15, 2010

Okay guys, thanks for the input.

@twash ~ I didn't think much about the set orders, I just listed them in the order that they are listed on the current analysis. I was actually thinking about moving SubRoost further up tbh, so it's good to hear from someone else that I should. In fact, I could use help just deciding the order of the sets in general, so if you or someone else could aid me in this further it would be much obliged. As far as the redundant errors on the Specially Defensive set go, thanks for catching those, I kinda slapped this together after I realized how sorely Zapdos needed an Update and so I haven't thoroughly gone through the analysis to catch errors like those. Yeah the more I think about it, the more I realize that Zapdos really does need Thunder Wave. I'll actually be slashing it in over Light Screen I think, so thank you for that. And the main reason I decided to ditch the Hidden Power Debate section is because tbh I don't think that anyone is going to take the time to read that; I know I certainly wouldn't. It's already covered several times in the analysis so I didn't see the need for the section. Thanks for the help!

@ZystraL ~ I tested MS Dos and found it pretty poor, but if you say it's good then I guess I'll test it more thoroughly. I'm still not sold though, so if I can get some more opinions on this, it would be much obliged.

Toaster · Apr 16, 2010

hihihi

Red: grammer mistakes and the like
Green: deleted
Purple: commets
blue: added
Orange: moved

Snorlaxe said:
All I can say is thank Jesus this is shorter (and more up to date with today's metagame)!

Status: Want edits / feedback

What I did:
~made analysis much more concise
~reworded several parts
~updated to reflect the current metagame
~changed to new format
~merged Baton Pass Agility and Baton Pass Subsitute sets
~removed MS Dos after much testing (but if you feel it deserves a spot in the analysis, let me know)
~removed redundant "Hidden Power Ice vs. Hidden Power Grass section as it was already covered several times in analysis

http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/zapdos

[Overview]

Zapdos has tremendous defensive typing, which includes resistances and immunities to the most common moves of top-tier OU threats such as Scizor, Lucario, and Flygon. Although Zapdos’ Stealth Rock weakness limits its walling capabilities, Roost and Rapid Spin support makes up for this somewhat. Zapdos is capable of taking on many of the OU tier’s top physical threats thanks to its all-around great stats and typing. Zapdos’ high Special Attack and good speed(I think this needs a mention for Zapdos' offensive abilities) means that it can also perform wonderfully as an offensive sweeper, and can even use Baton Pass to effectively support its teammates with stat boosts. Despite a few flaws, Zapdos is still a very effective Pokémon, and is a defensive threat who should always be considered when building a team.

[SET]
name: Physically Defensive
move 1: Thunderbolt
move 2: Roost
move 3: Hidden Power Grass / Hidden Power Ice
move 4: Heat Wave / Roar
item: Leftovers
nature: Bold
evs: 248 HP / 228 Def / 32 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

With only two weaknesses, good stats overall, Roost for recovery, and Pressure to waste opponents' PP, this Zapdos makes a great tank. You can come in with relative safety against many top OU sweepers and various tanks and walls. From there you can stall out your opponents with Roost, or deal some damage with Thunderbolt, which will hurt even with no EV investment thanks to Zapdos’ Base 125 Special Attack.

With Heat Wave, Zapdos can run Hidden Power Grass over Hidden Power Ice, losing super effective coverage on Gliscor(Removed comma) and Salamence, but gaining the ability to beat its biggest counter, Swampert. If you do run Roar, use Hidden Power Ice so that you will have better type coverage. Be advised that to beat maximum HP Scizor, Heat Wave is needed to prevent it from Roosting off the damage dealt by a neutral Thunderbolt, since you lack Special Attacking power when using this bulky EV spread.

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

Even though this Zapdos makes a great defensive addition to any team, it is fairly easy to wall. As with any specially-based attacker, Blissey is the most effective counter to this set. Latias is another Pokémon who does not mind taking attacks from Zapdos, with her high Special Defense, resistance to Electric, Fire, and Grass, and her access to Calm Mind. A bulky user of Pursuit can help cover these weaknesses; Scizor is a perfect candidate for this, as it resists both of Latias’ STAB moves. Metagross can also be an excellent choice particularly since it resists both of Zapdos’ weaknesses. Zapdos also has issues with Stealth Rock; for this reason, a Rapid Spinner such as Starmie can be very beneficial on your team.

Other counters to Zapdos may varya bit(Found this "a bit" unnecessary) depending on which moves you choose. Swampert can easily stop any Zapdos who lacks Hidden Power Grass. Celebi does not fear Zapdos who lack Heat Wave. Tyranitar’s high Special Defense and STAB Rock-type moves make it a suitable counter to Zapdos as well. A Celebi of your own can force out Swampert with the threat of a Leaf Storm or Grass Knot, while Life Orb Latias can take care of Salamence or Gliscor if you lack Hidden Power Ice. Both of these Pokemon can be easily Pursuited by Tyranitar, however.

[SET]
name: Specially Defensive
move 1: Thunderbolt
move 2: Roost
move 3: Light Screen / Sleep Talk
move 4: Heat Wave / Hidden Power Ice
item: Leftovers
nature: Calm
evs: 248 HP / 224 SpD / 36 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

This is similar to the Defensive Roost set, but with a spread focused more on Special Defense; though the sets are similar, they play very differently. The Special Defense EVs allow Zapdos to switch in much more easily against special attackers like Heatran. Zapdos still has enough Defense to switch in on most unboosted neutral physical attacks, though super effective hits will significantly damage it.

Thunderbolt is Zapdos’ main form of STAB, and even with no EV investment in Special Attack, will deal a healthy amount of damage to any Pokemon who doesn’t resist it. Roost allows Zapdos(This mistake was also repeated three times lol) to restore 50% of its health in one turn, which helps on such a defensive Pokemon. Thunder Wave is the main choice in the third slot to provide paralysis support, but Light Screen can be used to better sponge special hits and support your team. Heat Wave is the best choice in the final slot to hit Steel-types, but Hidden Power Ice can be used instead if you wish to hit Dragons.

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

This set runs into many of the same problems as the previous set. Blissey, Latias, and Tyranitar still wall this set. Metagross, Scizor, Tyranitar, and Machamp are all very good partners to this set to help cover those weaknesses(Try rewording this). Swampert and Celebi are also very good switch-ins against this set, although they will struggle to beat Zapdos one on one. Toxic Spikes are a great complement to this set as well since Zapdos’ counters are usually specially-based walls who rely on recovery to win. It is also important to note that this set will have more difficulty countering powerful physical threats due to its lower Defense stat, so make sure to back Zapdos up appropriately with Pokémon like Gliscor, Rotom-A, and Skarmory.

[SET]
name: Offensive
move 1: Thunderbolt
move 2: Heat Wave
move 3: Hidden Power Grass / Hidden Power Ice
move 4: Roost
item: Life Orb / Leftovers
nature: Timid / Modest
evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

Offensive Zapdos can be quite a threat to teams that expect a weaker, more defensive Zapdos. The given attacks provide surprisingly good coverage in OU, and with Zapdos's massive Special Attack, can wreak quite some havoc. With Hidden Power Ice as your last move, no Pokémon resists all of the moves besides the uncommon Lanturn. Add in the fact that Zapdos is very bulky even with no EV investment and has access to Roost to heal off damage, and you’ll find that this set can be a very durable offensive powerhouse.

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

Life Orb is the recommended item for the extra power, but Leftovers is somewhat viable as well for allowing Zapdos to heal damage gradually. If Swampert isn't a problem for you, Hidden Power Grass can be dropped for Hidden Power Ice for a pseudo-BoltBeam combo. Timid nature is the preferred choice for the purpose of outspeeding more threats, but a Modest nature can be used instead if you would rather have more power as opposed to more Speed.

This set is a bit more difficult to counter than the previous two sets because it makes use of Zapdos’ impressive Special Attack stat, but it is still stopped cold by Blissey. Physically bulky Pursuit users are a great way to deal with her. Because of the lack of defensive investment, this Zapdos is especially prone to revenge killing. When using this offensive set, it is important that you also pair it up with Pokémon who can switch into the likes of Mamoswine’s Ice Shard, Lucario’s ExtremeSpeed, and to a lesser extent, Scizor’s Bullet Punch. Skarmory, a Choice Scarf Magnezone, or even a Scizor of your own can be used to remedy this weakness. Skarmory gets a special mention as it can effectively use Spikes to rack up residual damage on the opponent and punish them for switching in and out of Zapdos.

[SET]
name: SubRoost
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Roost
move 3: Thunderbolt
move 4: Hidden Power Ice / Toxic
item: Leftovers
nature: Timid
evs: 248 HP / 184 SpD / 76 Spe

(I agree with twash, this set has seen a rise in usage and should probably be moved higher. preferably over offensive zapdos)
[SET COMMENTS]

Zapdos' best way of annoying the opponent is stalling them out with Substitute and Roost when Toxic Spikes are up, and it does quite a good job at it. The aim of this set is to be used in conjunction with Toxic Spikes to accumulate poison damage on some of Zapdos's usual switch-ins, while taking advantage of Pressure to waste your opponent's PP. This includes Tyranitar, non-Cleric Blissey, and Thick Fat Snorlax. Substitute and Roost being used wisely will keep you at high health while also being able to block status.

Almost all Flying Pokémon immune to Toxic Spikes will fall to Zapdos' STAB Thunderbolt, or in Gliscor's case, Hidden Power Ice. Toxic is also a viable option in the last slot if you decide to not run this set alongside Toxic Spikes, though it is recommended that you do. Toxic has additional usefulness in poisoning Pokémon immune to Toxic Spikes, namely Flying-types. Few Steel-type Pokémon can reliably switch in (with the exception of Heatran and Calm Mind Wish Jirachi). Metagross without Ice Punch can be outstalled and worn down with Thunderbolt, and Empoleon has a very little chance of not falling.

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

Zapdos does a good job outstalling most walls and outspeeding many Pokémon, and this set combines those two assets perfectly. This version of Zapdos outspeeds Adamant Lucario and can take multiple hits from it. Maximizing Speed can also prove to be a worthwhile investment on this set, as Zapdos has a great Base 100 Speed to abuse. This can prove invaluable in letting you set up a fast Substitute before taking hits from things such as Salamence and Jolly Lucario. It also gets a free Substitute if it comes in on a Choice-locked ground move. The same goes for Heatran's Choiced Earth Power.

Since the aim of this set is to stall, this Zapdos obviously works best when paired with Toxic Spikes. Forretress and Tentacruel both resist Ice moves aimed at Zapdos and can set Toxic Spikes up, while also being able to Rapid Spin Stealth Rock away to benefit Zapdos even more. Roserade and Smeargle do not particularly work well with Zapdos defensively, but they deserve mention because they are the only other Pokémon who can reliably set Toxic Spikes up for your team in OU. If you find yourself in a situation where Zapdos is easily countered by your opponent’s team, Baton Pass might prove to be a worthwhile option in conjunction with Substitute on this set, allowing your teammates to get in for free even if Zapdos is incapable of stalling.

[SET]
name: Choice
move 1: Thunderbolt
move 2: Hidden Power Ice / Hidden Power Grass
move 3: Heat Wave
move 4: U-turn
item: Choice Scarf / Choice Specs
nature: Timid
evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

Choice Scarf Zapdos is meant to lead and give issues to common leads like Azelf, Skarmory( I don't think skarmory isn't even a common enough lead. Perhapes changing it to Metagross?), and Heatran. If the opposing lead is not a great match up, Zapdos can U-turn away to an appropriate counter. Hidden Power Ice is chosen because it complements Thunderbolt well, and offers the chance to revenge kill Dragonite and Salamence. If defeating Swampert is of absolute importance, Hidden Power Grass is also completely viable on this set. With Heat Wave, Zapdos can reliably revenge kill Swords Dance Lucario(Doesn't Zapdos outspeed Lucario anyway?) and other Steel-types. The given EVs allow Zapdos to Speed tie with +1 Dragon Dance Salamence (if Zapdos is holding Choice Scarf), and possibly revenge kill it with Hidden Power Ice. This is very important, as Dragon Dance Salamence is arguably the most threatening sweeper in today’s metagame. Choice Specs could be used as an alternative item on this set for more power, but Choice Scarf is generally preferred as it allows Zapdos to act as a more effective revenge killer.

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

Much like with other Zapdos sets, Blissey will wall you to no end. Swampert is a pretty good matchup against this set, as is Tyranitar (though both need to watch out for Hidden Power Grass and in Tyranitar's case, U-turn). If your opponent is especially gutsy, they could even send in a Water-type to resist Heat Wave or Hidden Power Ice and force you to take more damage from Stealth Rock. Latias also switches into this set with virtual impunity, but she must be wary of U-turn. In order to fix these problems, Scizor makes a great partner, capable of dealing with Tyranitar, Blissey, and Latias quite easily. Zapdos’ weakness to Stealth Rock is a massive hindrance for this set, as without Roost you are sacrificing one of its best assets in its defensive longevity. Because of that, pairing this Zapdos with a Wish user such as Jirachi or Blissey can prolong Zapdos' lifespan. Rapid Spin support is also helpful; Starmie or Tentacruel is a good choice to supply this.

[SET]
name: Baton Pass
move 1: Agility
move 2: Substitute
move 3: Baton Pass
move 4: Thunderbolt
item: Leftovers
nature: Timid
evs: 248 HP / 136 Def / 88 SpA / 36 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

This set is fairly straightforward: set up an Agility while your opponent switches to a Zapdos counter, Substitute while you’re faster than the opposing Pokemon, and then Baton Pass to a frail(The majority of slow sweepers such as rhyperior are not fragile) sweeper with low Speed. Physical attackers are often the best choices as they scare off Blissey, who is a very common switch-in to Zapdos, while also doing well against generic Electric-types like Jolteon who may also switch into Zapdos(This is probably best off in the additional comments). It is important to note that this set is meant to be played defensively, utilizing Zapdos’ amazing typing and bulk to get the Baton Pass off instead of just boosting your stats, setting up a Substitute, and attempting to sweep. Roost can be used over Hidden Power if you would like; Roost will increase Zapdos’ longevity, allowing you to potentially gain more than one Agility or set up more than one Substitute. It also allows Zapdos to come back to Baton Pass at a later point.

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

This set has a defensive set-up. You can afford to cut down on Speed here because you will be outspeeding everything after Agility except things like Choice Scarf Latias or Starmie. The 36 Speed EVs is recommended to allow you to beat Jolly Tyranitar even if your Speed IV is 30 (because of Hidden Power), but you may want to use a bit more Speed in order to outpace common Choice Scarfers such as Flygon or Heatran after an Agility. The Defense is here so you can take some hits from Pokémon like Gyarados or Metagross(This would probably deserve some rewording. particularly from "some hits"), but you can shift it to Special Defense so you stand a better chance against Starmie, Latias, and other special attackers.

As this set is designed to support its teammates(change this to " with most baton passers"), this Zapdos is fairly difficult for your opponent to counter directly. Good supporters would be Pokémon such as Metagross or Lucario, who would both be relatively easy to Baton Pass to considering they resist both of Zapdos’ weaknesses. Other slow-but-powerful Pokémon can use this to their advantage, such as Swords Dance Heracross or Rhyperior, and Nasty Plot Porygon-Z. Since nearly every Pokémon in the game benefits from +2 Speed, this Zapdos will surely be an asset to your team. Many Pokemon also benefit from being Passed a Substitute, and Zapdos can effectively do that as well. Frail Pokemon in particular appreciate a Substitute Pass, as it allows them to take a hit that they would otherwise take heavy damage from.

Will do a full check consisting of the rest of the analysis later. Good Job overall.

SoT · Apr 16, 2010

For the SubRoost, why not mention running 252 HP / 176 Spe / the rest in SpA or Def, this works effectively as it can outrun Lucario, and still provides bulk and some offensive prowess. Also maybe mention HP Grass over HP Ice, this helps deal with Swampert who is a very common switch in, and Thunderbolt does it's toll on Salamence / Dragonite regardless. Kind of seems redundant to me, maybe feedback from others on this?

Also, explain the EVs on a few of these...why do i run 32 Speed on the Defensive one, but 36 on the Speed on the Specially Defensive one? I think you just need to be a bit more clear in general, I'll read over this to check for grammar.

And I think it should the order should be SubRoost / Def / SpD / Offensive / Choice. These are just the most commonly seen, at least from my experience...it really isn't -that- important, I'm just pointing out.

Edit: MS Dos is a really good set if you can use it right, I guess it's sort of a turn off since it's a Pokemon that you really need to build around, opposed to one that you can just fit in.

Snorlaxe · Apr 16, 2010

Okay thanks for everything guysss

@ZystraL ~ Thanks for the grammar check, and yeah MS Dos seems okay I guess, my only issue with it is that it seems like it requires a ton of team support and that's not exactly something I want to have to give up when I use a Pokemon, especially one with as questionable of a payoff as MS Dos.

@Toaster ~ Thanks for grammar always apprectiated boi :) Wow I can't believe how many times I did "Zapdos" as "Zapods", I must be the worst speller ever lol

@SoT ~ Thanks, I'll try out that EV spread as it does seem effective in outpacing Lucario and stuff. I'm not sure about HP Grass on SubRoost though as it is so easy for Zapdos to stall out Roar-less Swampert as it is via Toxic + Roost + w/e, while Salamence (especially DDMence) is not a Pokemon who you should let get multiple turns to do its thing because it will come back to bite you in the ass...that's why I think HP Ice is the best option in the final slot, so you can immediately put Salamence out of commission before it gets a chance to start putting its plan in motion. As for the 32 Speed vs 36 Speed thing, it was just a typo on my part, you should always run 36 Speed to outpace non-ScarfTar who max Speed, will fix now. And I'm going to move SubRoost up above Offensive, but I think that Defensive and Specially Defensive should be above SubRoost as from personal experience and opinions of other users I spoke to they are better than SubRoost. Aaand as for MS Dos I'm STILL not sold (yeah I know I'm a stubborn bastard), so I guess I'm doing something right or whatever? I just don't like the horrible amount of team support it requires to just be half-decent I guess :/

Thanks for your help guys! :)

SoT · Apr 16, 2010

Yeah, well I still think HP Grass at least deserves a mention in AC, it doesn't need a slash in the set itself I will agree with you there. For the 36 Speed EVs, just mention why you have them there, since it's really not that obvious, or at least it wasn't too me. As for the MS Dos, I could test it out and maybe post some logs or maybe just ask a QC member (Philip) and get their (his) opinion on it. ;)

supermarth64 · Apr 16, 2010

32 EVs are only needed to outspeed non-Scarf Jolly Ttar. The 36 EVs for the Specially defensive set is because a 70 IV HP Ice needs 30 Speed in order to work because lowering Atk only makes it 68 BP.

type: Ice
31/8/30/31/31/31 - 68 BP
31/19/31/31/31/30
30/8/30/31/31/31 - 68 BP

Snorlaxe · Apr 16, 2010

Okay thank you guys, I'll edit the OP to reflect your desires now :)

GMLW · Apr 16, 2010

Uh, I think you forgot the heading for the EV section.

Snorlaxe · Apr 17, 2010

No, I didn't; as part of the new analysis format, the Optional Changes and EV sections are merged. See here for more information ;)

Forbidden To Starve · Apr 17, 2010

Add in the fact that Zapdos is very bulky even with no EV investment and has access to Roost to heal off damage, and you’ll find that this set can be a very durable offensive powerhouse.

A powerhouse can not apply to a set or an inanimate object under any circumstances. I would rephrase this to, "Add in the fact that Zapdos is very bulky even with no EV investment and has access to Roost to heal off damage, and you'll find that a Zapdos utilizing this moveset can be a very durable offensive powerhouse."

At least, I don't think. I'm 95% sure that a moveset cannot be a powerhouse.

Snorlaxe · Apr 17, 2010

Well, the phrase "set x is a powerhouse" is actually quite commonly used, so I'm going to stick with what I currently have...plus, the phrase "Add in the fact that Zapdos is very bulky even with no EV investment and has access to Roost to heal off damage, and you'll find that a Zapdos utilizing this moveset can be a very durable offensive powerhouse." is pretty awkward imo. Thanks for the suggestion, though! ;)

Flora · Apr 17, 2010

[Overview]

Zapdos has a tremendous defensive type combination, which includes resistances and immunities to the most common moves of top-tier OU threats such as Scizor, Lucario, and Flygon. Although Zapdos’ Stealth Rock weakness limits its walling capabilities, Roost and Rapid Spin support help combat that problem. Zapdos is capable of taking on many of the OU tier’s top physical threats thanks to its all-around great stats and typing. Zapdos’ high Special Attack and good Speed means that it can also perform wonderfully in an offensive role, and can even use Baton Pass to effectively support its teammates with stat boosts. Despite a few flaws (you only listed one so what other flaws could there be?), Zapdos is still a very effective Pokémon, (remove comma) and is (remove) a defensive (remove) threat who should always be considered when building a team.

[SET]
name: Physically Defensive
move 1: Thunderbolt
move 2: Roost
move 3: Hidden Power Grass / Hidden Power Ice
move 4: Heat Wave / Roar
item: Leftovers
nature: Bold
evs: 248 HP / 228 Def / 36 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

With only two weaknesses, good stats overall, Roost for recovery, and Pressure to waste opponents' PP, this Zapdos makes a great tank. You can come in with relative safety against many top OU sweepers and various tanks and walls. From there you can stall out your opponents with Roost, or deal some damage with Thunderbolt, which will hurt even with no EV investment thanks to Zapdos’ base 125 Special Attack.

With Heat Wave, Zapdos can run Hidden Power Grass over Hidden Power Ice, losing super effective coverage on Gliscor and Salamence, but gaining the ability to beat its biggest counter, Swampert. If you do run Roar, use Hidden Power Ice so that you will have better type coverage. Be advised that to beat maximum HP Scizor, Heat Wave is needed to prevent it from Roosting off the damage dealt by a neutral Thunderbolt, since you lack the (add) Special Attacking (remove) power when using this bulky EV spread. The 36 Speed EVs are used so that you can still outrun max Speed non-Scarf Tyranitar even with the Speed point lost by running Hidden Power Ice (don't most people use the 31/x/30/31/31/31 spread?).

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

Even though this Zapdos makes a great defensive addition to any team, it is fairly easy to wall. As with any specially-based attacker, Blissey is the most effective counter to this set. Latias is another Pokémon who does not mind taking attacks from Zapdos thanks to her high Special Defense, resistance to Electric, Fire, and Grass, and access to Calm Mind. A bulky user of Pursuit can help cover these weaknesses; Scizor is a perfect candidate for this, as it resists both of Latias’ STAB moves though it must beware of Hidden Power Fire. Metagross is another excellent choice, as it resists both of Zapdos' weaknesses and can damage both Blissey and Latias greatly with its STAB Meteor Mash. Zapdos also has issues with Stealth Rock, making a Rapid Spinner such as Starmie very beneficial on your team.

Other counters to Zapdos vary depending on which moves you choose. Swampert can easily stop any Zapdos who lacks Hidden Power Grass, while Celebi does not fear Zapdos who lack Heat Wave. Tyranitar’s high Special Defense and STAB Rock-type moves make it a suitable counter to Zapdos as well. A Celebi of your own can force out Swampert with the threat of a Leaf Storm or Grass Knot, while Life Orb Latias can take care of Salamence or Gliscor if you lack Hidden Power Ice. Both of these Pokemon can be easily Pursuited by Tyranitar, however.

[SET]
name: Specially Defensive
move 1: Thunderbolt
move 2: Roost
move 3: Light Screen / Sleep Talk
move 4: Heat Wave / Hidden Power Ice
item: Leftovers
nature: Calm
evs: 248 HP / 224 SpD / 36 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

This is similar to the Defensive Roost set, but with a spread focused more on Special Defense. Though the sets are similar, they play very differently; the Special Defense EVs allow Zapdos to switch in much more easily against special attackers like Heatran. Zapdos still has enough Defense to switch in on most unboosted neutral physical attacks, though super effective hits will significantly damage it.

Thunderbolt is Zapdos’ main form of STAB, and even with no EV investment in Special Attack, it will deal a healthy amount of damage to any Pokemon who doesn’t resist it. Roost allows Zapdos to restore 50% of its health in one turn, which helps on such a defensive Pokemon. Thunder Wave is the main choice in the third slot to provide paralysis support, but Light Screen can be used to better sponge special hits and support your team. (I don't see Thunder wave) Heat Wave is the best choice in the final slot to hit Steel-types, but Hidden Power Ice can be used instead if you wish to hit Dragons.

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

This set runs into many of the same problems as the previous set. Blissey, Latias, and Tyranitar still wall this set. Metagross, Scizor, Tyranitar, and Machamp are very good partners to this set to help cover Zapdos' weakness to the aforementioned Pokemon. Swampert and Celebi are also very (remove) good switch-ins against this set, although they will struggle to beat Zapdos one on one. Toxic Spikes are a great complement to this set as well since Zapdos’ counters are usually grounded specially-based walls who rely on recovery to win. It is also important to note that this set will have more difficulty countering powerful physical threats due to its lower Defense stat, so make sure to back Zapdos up appropriately with Pokémon like Gliscor, Rotom-A, and Skarmory.

[SET]
name: Substitute + Roost
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Roost
move 3: Thunderbolt
move 4: Hidden Power Ice / Toxic
item: Leftovers
nature: Timid
evs: 248 HP / 184 SpD / 76 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

Zapdos' best way of annoying the opponent is stalling them out with Substitute and Roost when Toxic Spikes are up, and it does quite a good job at it. The aim of this set is to be used in conjunction with Toxic Spikes to accumulate poison damage on some of Zapdos's usual switch-ins, while taking advantage of Pressure to waste your opponent's PP. This includes Tyranitar, non-Cleric Blissey, and Thick Fat Snorlax. Substitute and Roost when used wisely will keep you at high health while also being able to block status.

Almost all Flying Pokémon immune to Toxic Spikes will fall to Zapdos' STAB Thunderbolt, or in Gliscor's case, Hidden Power Ice. Toxic is also a viable option in the last slot if you decide to not run this set alongside Toxic Spikes, though it is recommended that you do. Toxic has additional usefulness in poisoning Pokémon immune to Toxic Spikes, namely Flying-types (specifically who? most Flyers do get killed off by BoltBeam). Few Steel-type Pokémon can reliably switch in (with the exception of Heatran and Calm Mind Wish Jirachi). Metagross without Ice Punch can be outstalled and worn down with Thunderbolt, and Empoleon has a very little chance of not falling.

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

Zapdos does a good job outstalling most walls and outspeeding many Pokémon, and this set combines those two assets perfectly. This version of Zapdos outspeeds Adamant Lucario and can take multiple hits from it. Maximizing Speed can also prove to be a worthwhile investment on this set, as Zapdos has a great base 100 Speed to abuse. This can prove invaluable in letting you set up a fast Substitute before taking hits from threats such as Salamence and Jolly Lucario. It also gets a free Substitute if it comes in on a Choice-locked Ground-type move.

Since the aim of this set is to stall, this Zapdos obviously (remove) works best when paired with Toxic Spikes. Forretress and Tentacruel both resist Ice moves aimed at Zapdos and can set up Toxic Spikes, while also being able to Rapid Spin Stealth Rock away to benefit Zapdos even more. Roserade and Smeargle do not particularly work well with Zapdos defensively, but they deserve a mention because they are the only other Pokémon who can reliably set Toxic Spikes up for your team in OU (add in the fact that they can reliably put a target to sleep to do this?). If you find yourself in a situation where Zapdos is easily countered by your opponent’s team, Baton Pass might prove to be a worthwhile option in conjunction with Substitute on this set, allowing your teammates to get in for free even if Zapdos is incapable of stalling.

[SET]
name: Offensive
move 1: Thunderbolt
move 2: Heat Wave
move 3: Hidden Power Grass / Hidden Power Ice
move 4: Roost
item: Life Orb / Leftovers
nature: Timid / Modest
evs: 4 HP (would change this to Def or SpD to avoid an even number) / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

Offensive Zapdos can be quite a threat to teams that expect a weaker, more defensive Zapdos. The given attacks provide surprisingly (remove) good coverage in OU, and with Zapdos' (staying parallel) massive Special Attack, they can wreck quite some havoc. With Hidden Power Ice as your last move, no Pokémon resists all of the moves besides the uncommon Lanturn. Add in the fact that Zapdos is very (remove) bulky even with no EV investment and has access to Roost to heal off damage, and you’ll find that this Zapdos can be a very durable offensive powerhouse.

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

Life Orb is the recommended item for the extra power, but Leftovers is somewhat viable as well for allowing Zapdos to heal damage gradually. If Swampert isn't a problem for you, Hidden Power Grass can be dropped for Hidden Power Ice for a psuedo-BoltBeam combo. A Timid nature is the preferred choice for the purpose of outspeeding more threats, but a Modest nature can be used instead if you would rather have more power as opposed to more Speed.

This set is a bit more difficult to counter than the previous two sets because it makes use of Zapdos’ impressive Special Attack stat and coverage, but it is still stopped cold by Blissey. Physically-bulky Pursuit users are a great way to deal with her. Because of the lack of defensive investment, this Zapdos is especially prone to revenge killing. When using this offensive set, it is important that you also pair it up with Pokémon who can switch into the likes of Mamoswine’s Ice Shard, Lucario’s ExtremeSpeed, and to a lesser extent, Scizor’s Bullet Punch. A Skarmory, a (remove) Choice Scarf Magnezone, or even a (remove) your own Scizor of your own (remove) can be used to remedy this weakness. Skarmory gets a special mention as it can effectively use Spikes to rack up residual damage on the opponent and punish them for switching in and out of Zapdos.

[SET]
name: Choice
move 1: Thunderbolt
move 2: Hidden Power Ice / Hidden Power Grass
move 3: Heat Wave
move 4: U-turn
item: Choice Scarf / Choice Specs
nature: Timid
evs: 4 HP (same thing as above set) / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

No Modest nature? Maybe explain your reasoning of not using a Modest nature in additional comments if that was your intention.

[SET COMMENTS]

Choice Scarf Zapdos is meant to lead and give issues to common leads like Azelf, Metagross, and Heatran. If the opposing lead is not a great match up, Zapdos can U-turn away to an appropriate counter. Hidden Power Ice is chosen because it complements Thunderbolt well, and offers the chance to revenge kill Dragonite and Salamence. If defeating Swampert is of absolute importance, Hidden Power Grass is also completely viable on this set. With Heat Wave, Zapdos can reliably revenge kill opposing Steel-types like Agility Metagross. The given EVs allow Zapdos to Speed tie with +1 Dragon Dance Salamence (if Zapdos is holding Choice Scarf), and possibly revenge kill it with Hidden Power Ice. This is very important, as Dragon Dance Salamence is arguably the most threatening sweeper in today’s metagame. Choice Specs could be used as an alternative item on this set for more power, but Choice Scarf is generally preferred as it allows Zapdos to act as a more effective revenge killer.

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

Much like with other Zapdos sets, Blissey will wall you to no end. Swampert is a pretty good match-up against this set, as is Tyranitar (though both need to watch out for Hidden Power Grass). If your opponent is especially gutsy, they could even send in a Water-type to resist Heat Wave or Hidden Power Ice and force you to take more damage from Stealth Rock. Latias also switches into this set with impunity, but she must be wary of U-turn. In order to fix these problems, Scizor makes a great partner, since it is capable of dealing with Tyranitar, Blissey, and Latias quite easily. Zapdos’ weakness to Stealth Rock is a massive hindrance for this set, as without Roost you are sacrificing one of its best assets in its defensive longevity. Because of that, pairing this Zapdos with a Wish user such as Jirachi or Blissey can greatly prolong Zapdos' lifespan. Rapid Spin support is also helpful; Starmie and Tentacruel are good choices to supply this.

[SET]
name: Baton Pass
move 1: Agility
move 2: Substitute
move 3: Baton Pass
move 4: Thunderbolt
item: Leftovers
nature: Timid
evs: 248 HP / 136 Def / 88 SpA / 36 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

This set is fairly straightforward: set up an Agility while your opponent switches to a Zapdos counter, Substitute while you’re faster than the opposing Pokemon, and then Baton Pass to a sweeper with low Speed that doesn't take much damage from the incoming attack. Physical attackers are often the best choices as they scare off Blissey, who is a very common switch-in to Zapdos, while also doing well against generic Electric-types like Jolteon who may also switch into Zapdos. It is important to note that this set is meant to be played defensively, utilizing Zapdos’ amazing typing and bulk to get the Baton Pass off instead of just boosting your stats, setting up a Substitute, and attempting to sweep.

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

This set has a defensive set-up to ensure that Zapdos has the bulk for pulling off an Agility and Substitute. You can afford to cut down on Speed here because you will be outspeeding everything after Agility except Choice Scarfers like Latias or Starmie. The 36 Speed EVs are recommended to allow you to beat Jolly Tyranitar even if your Speed IV is 30 (because of Hidden Power (which one? there's no Hidden Power being used here; also, if it's HP Ice, go back to the 31/x/30/31/31/31 part)), but you may want to use a bit more Speed in order to outpace common Choice Scarfers such as Flygon or Heatran after an Agility. The Defense is here so you can take physical hits from Pokémon like Gyarados or Metagross, but you can shift it to Special Defense so you stand a better chance against Starmie, Latias, and other special attackers.

As with most Baton Passers, this Zapdos is fairly difficult for your opponent to counter directly. Good supporters would be Pokémon such as Metagross or Lucario, who would both be relatively easy to Baton Pass to considering they resist both of Zapdos’ weaknesses. Other slow-but-powerful Pokémon can use this to their advantage, such as Swords Dance Heracross or Rhyperior, and Nasty Plot Porygon-Z. Since nearly every Pokémon in the game (specifically who?) benefits from a +2 Speed boost, this Zapdos will surely be an asset to your team. Many Pokemon (like who?) also benefit from being Passed a Substitute, and Zapdos can effectively do that as well. Frail Pokemon in particular appreciate a Substitute Pass, as it allows them to take a hit that they would otherwise take heavy damage from.

You might also want to mention how to counter those Pokemon that outspeed Zapdos even after an Agility, like the aforementioned Choice Scarf Latias or Starmie.

[Team Options]

Like nearly every special attacker in the game, Zapdos is walled by Blissey. It is important to carry a Pokémon who can reliably switch into her so that Zapdos does not get hit with a harmful status effect. Pokémon such as Tyranitar, Machamp, Metagross, and Snorlax are perfect for this role. Latias also laughs at most Zapdos sets due to her typing, but Steel-types such as Scizor, Metagross, and Bronzong can once again come in handy here. Since most of Zapdos’ counters are vulnerable to Pursuit, you will want to pair Zapdos with a reliable user of the move, like Scizor or Tyranitar.

Bulky Ground-types such as Swampert and Hippowdon can reliably counter Zapdos. Hidden Power Grass is mentioned on almost every set solely to prevent these Pokémon from easily walling you. Using a Grass-type such as Celebi or Tangrowth can also help to get rid of these counters. Bulky Water-types such as Suicune, Gyarados, or your own Swampert could be just as useful in dealing with these threats.

One of Zapdos’ biggest issues is its weakness to Stealth Rock. For this reason, Rapid Spin support is hugely appreciated. Life Orb Starmie makes a great partner as it can reliably deal with Ground-types who wall Zapdos, and can also defeat common Spin blockers with its STAB Hydro Pump. Tentacruel and Forretress are also good partners, as they can supply both Rapid Spin and Toxic Spikes support; two layers of Toxic Spikes will greatly benefit Zapdos in stalling out its counters, so they are very beneficial to have if you are using Zapdos in a defensive role.

[Optional Changes]

Zapdos is a sturdy user of Rain Dance and can back it up with a 100% accurate, STAB Thunder off of one of the highest Special Attack stats in OU; Zapdos can use U-turn as well to switch to a sweeper (remove this; it's a main option in the Choice sets). Zapdos can also use a defensive set utilizing Rest and Sleep Talk that was standard in Advance (remove), but it is much more (remove) difficult to use in a heavily offensive metagame of the 4th generation (remove). Thunder Wave is as good as ever to support a slower team, and Light Screen can help in the Special Defense department (remove; it's an option already). It will usually only be seen as a filler move, however. Discharge is a very viable choice for Zapdos thanks to its 30% paralysis rate.

Generally, you'll want a defensive Zapdos to have nearly maxed out HP and a ton in either of its defenses. It is important to remember that using 248 HP EVs is more beneficial than fully maximizing HP, since it allows you to switch into Stealth Rock five times instead of four, in addition to reducing residual damage. Using max HP does allow you recover additional HP with Leftovers, but the common weather conditions in OU will nullify Leftovers' recovery anyway (remove). On sweeping sets, you should invest in Speed. (remove) On offensive Zapdos, you should always max Speed to at least Speed tie with opposing max Speed Salamence. The defensive Roost sets can opt for a faster spread if you want them to beat Lucario more easily. 176 Speed EVs with a Speed-boosting nature will outspeed all non-Scarfed Lucario. HP should then be maxed and the remaining 80 EVs poured into Special Attack or Defense.

[Counters]

Blissey and Snorlax stop all of Zapdos’ attacks cold. Electric-types do well against Zapdos, especially those immune to Thunderbolt, like Jolteon or Electivire. Flygon and Gliscor have a relatively easy time against Zapdos without Hidden Power Ice, while Swampert can wall Zapdos without Hidden Power Grass. Latias isn’t hit hard by any of Zapdos’ attacks, and can Calm Mind on its face. Grass-types such as Celebi or Roserade can do well against some Zapdos, but must be wary of Heat Wave and U-turn. Steelix also does decently against versions who lack Heat Wave, and even boasts an immunity to Toxic. With Sand Stream boosting its Special Defense, Tyranitar makes an excellent counter, particularly the specially-defensive versions. Although Zapdos can conceivably stall out Stone Edge's low PP (Pressure only gives Tyranitar four chances to use it), Tyranitar will beat Zapdos by using Crunch.

I didn't really expect Discharge to be discarded as Other Options. Is it really that bad on Zapdos?

Phantom_IV · Apr 18, 2010

"Zapdos has a tremendous defensive type combination, which includes resistances and immunities to the most common moves of top-tier OU threats such as Scizor, Lucario, and Flygon"

Flygon can still hit it with DClaw/Outrage. Perhaps it would be more fitting to mention Metagross there.

Philip7086 · Apr 18, 2010

Metal Sound Zapdos is so similar to Offensive Zapdos that it doesn't need its own set. Instead, add a few sentences or a paragraph about Metal Sound in the AC of Offensive Zapdos.

Zystral · Apr 18, 2010

@ Phantom IV - Zapdos resists Flygon's 2 most common moves - U-Turn and Earthquake. That's more than enough to earn a mention since most Flygon are scarfed.

Philip7086 said:
Metal Sound Zapdos is so similar to Offensive Zapdos that it doesn't need its own set. Instead, add a few sentences or a paragraph about Metal Sound in the AC of Offensive Zapdos.

I disagree, since Offensive Zapdos and Metal Sound Zapdos are played differently and have different responses to each threat.
Example; Offensive Zapdos prefers Hidden Power Grass to OHKO Swampert and Tyranitar who would otherwise wall it, but Metal Sound Zapdos can use HP Ice since that hits Latias who takes more of a priority being the better special wall. HP Ice also 2HKOes Swampert anyway.

Offensive Zapdos also requires a bit of Team Support or is played as Team Support in that it either weakens things on the foe's team, or can be used to pick off weak things. Metal Sound Zapdos on the other hand is a more stand-alone sweeper with slightly shorter longevity.

Snorlaxe · Apr 18, 2010

@AromaFlora ~ Thanks for the grammar check, I edited in most of them, but disagreed with a few.

I didn't really expect Discharge to be discarded as Other Options. Is it really that bad on Zapdos?

No, but it and Thunderbolt are so similar that I don't see the point in mentioning it in every set so I just chose to put in in OC.

@Phil ~ Yeah that's what I thought, so I'm just going to talk about it in OC.

Thanks guys, keep the input coming! :)

Flora · Apr 19, 2010

http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/gengar#Substitute_+_Pain_Split

You sure you want to keep it as SubRoost? I thought we're cutting off in abbreviating in sets.

Snorlaxe · Apr 20, 2010

Yeah, SubRoost has a nicer ring to me, but idk if a bunch of people want me to change it then I will I guess :/

EDIT: Thanks Stellar, that's what I thought, but I wanted to make sure. ;)

Stellar · Apr 20, 2010

SubRoost is a commonly used term. It's fine.

Snorlaxe · May 1, 2010

Can I please get some more feedback or grammar checks on this? Thanks :)

viol and bass · May 1, 2010

I believe the physically defensive set has a few extra EVs.

supermarth64 · May 1, 2010

asdf I told snorlaxe that 36 EVs were only for the Specially Defensive set due to IV limitations. That should be 32 EVs with a mention of why it's 36 EVs in the Specially Defensive set.

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