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Zekrom (Substitute + Hone Claws)

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  1. Furai

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    [SET]
    name: Substitute + Hone Claws
    move 1: Substitute
    move 2: Hone Claws
    move 3: Bolt Strike
    move 4: Outrage / Dragon Claw
    item: Leftovers / Life Orb
    nature: Adamant / Jolly
    evs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe

    <p>Zekrom's average Speed stat makes it a mediocre sweeper on its own, so Hone Claws seems like the perfect choice to make Zekrom an even better sweeper by increasing its already ridiculously high Attack stat. However, this set's main purpose is not to use Hone Claws and Substitute to improve its attacking prowess. Instead, it aims to take advantage of one of Zekrom's most common switch-ins, Ferrothorn, while still maintaining the superb coverage granted by Dragon- and Electric-type attacks.</p>

    <p>Substitute is the crux of this set; it allows Zekrom to set up on Ferrothorn—probably Zekrom's most common switch-in—and scout other switch-ins. Outrage and Bolt Strike are amazing STAB moves, as both are extremely powerful and have wide coverage in conjunction with each other. The choice between Dragon Claw and Outrage is up to the user. Outrage's undeniable power—it OHKOes Giratina-O and 2HKOes Max HP Dialga after Stealth Rock damage—makes it the superior option. However, if you don't want to be locked into Outrage and risk hitting yourself in confusion, feel free to use Dragon Claw. It should be noted, however, that doing so will cost you some crucial OHKOs and 2HKOs, such as the ones that have been mentioned above.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The EV spread is quite straightforward; it gives Zekrom maximum bulk and power while allowing it to outspeed base 90 Speed Pokemon that don't invest in Speed. However, you can opt to use more Speed EVs to outspeed certain foes. 8 Speed EVs outruns 4 Speed Kyogre and Groudon, 36 Speed EVs outpaces base 90s with 32 Speed EVs, such as Substitute Ho-Oh, and 164 Speed is just enough to outspeed Lugia, allowing Zekrom to strike it before it sets up Reflect. In all of those cases, you should take the EVs out of Attack, as the bulk is necessary. However, if you want a more offensive approach, you can use a spread of 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe with a Jolly nature. This will let Zekrom outspeed everything it can at the cost of bulk and many important KOs.</p>

    <p>The big decision you will need to make for this set is what item it will use. Leftovers fits this Zekrom set perfectly, allowing it to use Substitute to scout switch-ins while regaining the lost health, minimizing the consequences of multiple uses of Substitute. With a Life Orb, Zekrom will usually focus on attacking first, only using Substitute to set up on Ferrothorn; thus, it should only be used with a Jolly nature and its corresponding EV spread. Life Orb is also notable for letting Zekrom gain several key KOs that Leftovers forces it to miss out on. For example, after one Hone Claws boost, Jolly Life Orb Zekrom will always OHKO maximum HP Arceus with Bolt Strike after Stealth Rock damage; Adamant Life Orb Zekrom also has an 87% chance of OHKOing maximum HP Dialga with a +1 Outrage. Finally, with Life Orb, you have the option of using Draco Meteor over Outrage and Dragon Claw. Assuming a spread of 104 HP / 148 Atk / 252 SpA / 4 Spe , Draco Meteor will 2HKO Groudon, one of this set's biggest problems, and can also be used to lure Ferrothorn in after it is used once. The downside in doing so is that Zekrom will have serious problems getting past most Dialga.</p>

    <p>Toxic Spikes and hazards completely tear this set apart, so a Rapid Spin user should be used. Tentacruel is an amazing spinner, as being part Poison-type means that it can simply clear the field of Toxic Spikes when it switches in. Groudon, Ground Arceus, and Hippowdon are immune to Bolt Strike, laugh at Outrage with their massive Defense stats, and strike back hard with their super effective STAB moves. Hippowdon and Ground Arceus can heal themselves by using Slack Off and Recover, respectively. Excadrill falls in the same boat as the aforementioned Pokemon, but it resists Outrage. Grass Arceus usually carries Ice Beam and Will-O-Wisp, resists Bolt Strike, and has the ability to Recover off the damage, which makes it a solid switch-in. However, Grass Arceus will take a lot from a +1 Outrage. Garchomp and any other faster Dragon-type Pokemon can revenge kill Zekrom. Garchomp gets a special mention, as it is able to break Zekrom's Substitute and OHKO it with Dual Chop. Like Garchomp, Cloyster also outspeeds Zekrom, and can use Icicle Spear to break through Zekrom's Substitute and OHKO it. Lugia, if faster, can set up Reflect before Zekrom gets the chance to hit with Bolt Strike, and proceed to stall it with Roost.</p>
  2. polop

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    That spread is identical to the one I use! Speed creeps and all included -_- (did I mention i run 54 spe Gira-a?). Anyways that outruns something is non-invested Xatu! Just felt the need to say that :P.

    On a total troll side note this thing breaks, trolls, crushes (pick your own adjective) the classic rain stall core after little set up time, something that's normally forgotten and an advantage over other stall breakers like Sub CM Gira-o. Sets up on Ferrotroll also :P.
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    What's the Speed creep doing there? Just put 4 Speed EVs. Mention Jolly in AC.

    Checks and Counters: Groudon, Hippowdon, Ground Arceus, Grass Arceus with Will-O-Wisp/Ice Beam, and Excadrill. Lugia will actually annoy you a lot lol, with a faster Reflect/Sub, Roost cancels out the weakness and Whirlwind blows you out. Garchomp/any faster Dragon-type revenges you. Garchomp has the bonus of being immune to Bolt Strike, and CB Dual Chop can sometimes take you out [even when behind a sub] if you are weakened. Cloyster can outspeed you if you run on Speed and KO you with Icicle Spear. Steelix owns this Zekrom easily although it is non-existent in Ubers.

    Rain Stall is never classic, it is just made this gen.

    Toxic Spikes screws Zekrom completely so having a Rapid Spinner is really useful, particularly Tentacruel, who also resists Ice and absorbs in on the switch. Shares a Ground-type weakness though.
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    You know, it's times like these that make me want a spread like 252 HP / 92 Atk / 164 Spe Adamant up just so you can outspeed Lugias that don't run any Speed whatsoever (which is like, all of them).
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    Wait he just has the set up, why are you posting checks and counter ?_? I thought we were supposed to wait until at least the entire skeleton is posted.
  6. Furai

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    This is good for QC checks guys!
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    I know official analyses don't condone speed creep or anything but at least 8 Spe being mandatory with Adamant? Just take out of Atk EVs for 4 Spe Kyogre / Groudon; mention that Groudon has a high chance of being 2hko'd by + 1 Outrage even from lefties, so it's not as great of a check as it is for scarf
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    8 Speed EVs on Zekrom is considered Speed creep. Support Groudon has 0 Speed EVs in the analysis. CB Groudon OHKOes you, Rock Polish variants will still OHKO you.

    Since the Zekrom analysis on site runs 4 Speed EVs, this set should just follow.
  12. Furai

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    All Speed benchmarks have been mentioned.


    This is written and ready for GP checks.
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    [SET]
    name: Substitute + Hone Claws
    move 1: Substitute
    move 2: Hone Claws
    move 3: Bolt Strike
    move 4: Outrage / Dragon Claw
    item: Leftovers / Life Orb
    nature: Adamant / Jolly
    evs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Although Zekrom's average Speed stat makes it a mediocre sweeper on its own, this set does not use Hone Claws and Substitute to improve its attacking prowess as it's main purpose. Instead, it aims to take advantage of one of Zekrom's most common switch <space>-ins, Ferrothorn, while still maintaining the superb coverage of Dragon- and Electric-type attacks.</p>

    <p>Substitute is the crux of this set; it allows Zekrom to set up on Ferrothorn—probably Zekrom's most common switch-in—and scout other switch-ins. Outrage and Bolt Strike are amazing STAB moves, as both are extremely powerful, and have wide coverage in conjunction with each other, they have a very wide coverage. The choice between Dragon Claw and Outrage is up to the user. Outrage's power is undeniable, power—it OHKOes Giratina-oO and 2HKOes Max HP Dialga after Stealth Rock damage, thus being the p—makes it the superior option. However, if you don't want to be locked into Outrage or risk the Confusion self-hithitting yourself in confusion, feel free to use Dragon Claw. It should be noted, however, that doing so will cost you in some crucial OHKOs and 2HKOs. (example?)</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The EV spread is quite straightforward; it gives Zekrom maximum bulk and power, while lettallowing it to outspeed base 90 Speed Pokemon that don't invest EVs in Speed. YHowever, you can opt to use more Speed EVs; to outspeed certain foes. 8 Speed EVs outruns 4 Speed Kyogre and Groudon, 36 Speed EVs outspaces 32 Speed base 90s, such as Substitute Ho-Oh, and 164 Speed is just enough to outspeed Lugia, so Zekrom couldan strike it before it sets up Reflect. In all of those cases, you should take the EVs out from Attack, as the bulk is necessary. However, if you want a more offensive approach, you can use a spread of 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe with a Jolly Nnature. This will let Zekrom outspeed everything it can, inat the cost of bulk and many important KOs.(example?)</p>

    <p>The big decision you will need to make for this set is what item it will use. Leftovers fits this Zekrom set perfectly, allowing it to use Substitute to scout switch-ins while regaining the lost health, minimizing the consequences of multiple uses of Substitute. With a Life Orb, Zekrom will usually focus on attacking first, only using Substitute to set up on Ferrothorn; thus, it should only be used with the Jolly nature EV spread. Life Orb is also notable for gaining several key KOs over Leftovers. For example, after one Hone Claws boost, Jolly Life Orb Zekrom will always OHKO maximum HP Arceus with Bolt Strike after Stealth Rock damage, while Adamant Life Orb Zekrom will have an 87% chance of OHKOing maximum HP Dialga with a +1 Outrage. Finally, with Life Orb, you have the option of using Draco Meteor over Outrage and Dragon Claw. Assuming the same EVs as the Mixed set, Draco Meteor will 2HKO Groudon, one of this sets biggest problems, and can also be used to lure Ferrothorn in after one use of Draco Meteor. The downside in doing so is that Zekrom will have serious problems getting past most Dialga.</p>

    <p>Toxic Spikes and hazards completely tear this set apart, so a Rapid Spinn user should be used. Tentacruel is an amazing spinner, because being part Poison-type means that it can simply clear Toxic Spikes out when it switches into them. Groudon, Ground Arceus, and Hippowdon are immune to Bolt Strike, laugh at Outrage with their massive Defense stat, whileand strikinge back hard with their super effective STAB. Hippowdon and Ground Arceus can heal themselves by using Slack Off and Recover, respectively. Excadrill falls in the same boat as the aforementioned Pokemon, but it also is immune to Bolt Strike and resists Outrage. Grass Arceus usually Ccarries Ice Beam and Will-O-Wisp, while also resistings Bolt Strike, and havings the ability to Recover off the damage, which makes it a solid switch-in. However, Grass Arceus will take a lot from a +1 Outrage. Garchomp and any other faster Dragon-type Pokemon can revenge kill Zekrom. Garchomp gets thea special mention because, as it is able to break Zekrom's Substitute and OHKO with Dual Chop. Like Garchomp, Cloyster iscan also faster, and like Garchomp, canoutspeed use Icicle Spear to break through Zekrom's Substitute and OHKO. Lugia, if faster, can set up Reflect before Zekrom gets the chance to hit with Bolt Strike, and procceed to stall it with Roost.</p>

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    [SET]
    name: Substitute + Hone Claws
    move 1: Substitute
    move 2: Hone Claws
    move 3: Bolt Strike
    move 4: Outrage / Dragon Claw
    item: Leftovers / Life Orb
    nature: Adamant / Jolly
    evs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Although Zekrom's average Speed stat makes it a mediocre sweeper on its own, this set does so Hone Claws seems like the perfect choice to make Zekrom an even better sweeper by increasing its already ridiculously high Attack stat. However, (comma) this set's main purpose is not to use Hone Claws and Substitute to improve its attacking prowess as its main purpose. Instead, it aims to take advantage of one of Zekrom's most common switch-ins, Ferrothorn, while still maintaining the superb coverage of granted by Dragon- and Electric-type attacks.</p>

    <p>Substitute is the crux of this set; it allows Zekrom to set up on Ferrothorn—probably Zekrom's most common switch-in—and scout other switch-ins. Outrage and Bolt Strike are amazing STAB moves, as both are extremely powerful and have wide coverage in conjunction with each other. The choice between Dragon Claw and Outrage is up to the user. Outrage's undeniable power—it OHKOes Giratina-O and 2HKOes Max HP Dialga after Stealth Rock damage—makes it the superior option. However, if you don't want to be locked into Outrage or and risk hitting yourself in confusion, feel free to use Dragon Claw. It should be noted, however, that doing so will cost you some crucial OHKOs and 2HKOs, such as the ones that have been mentioned above.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The EV spread is quite straightforward; it gives Zekrom maximum bulk and power, (comma) while allowing it to outspeed base 90 Speed Pokemon that don't invest in Speed. However, you can opt to use more Speed EVs to outspeed certain foes. 8 Speed EVs outruns 4 Speed Kyogre and Groudon, 36 Speed EVs outpaces 32 Speed base 90s base 90s with 32 Speed EVs, such as Substitute Ho-Oh, and 164 Speed is just enough to outspeed Lugia, so allowing Zekrom can to strike it before it sets up Reflect. In all of those cases, you should take the EVs out from of Attack, as the bulk is necessary. However, if you want a more offensive approach, you can use a spread of 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe with a Jolly nature. This will let Zekrom outspeed everything it can, (comma) at the cost of bulk and many important KOs.</p>

    <p>The big decision you will need to make for this set is what item it will use. Leftovers fits this Zekrom set perfectly, allowing it to use Substitute to scout switch-ins while regaining the lost health, minimizing the consequences of multiple uses of Substitute. With a Life Orb, Zekrom will usually focus on attacking first, only using Substitute to set up on Ferrothorn; thus, it should only be used with the a Jolly nature and its corresponding EV spread. Life Orb is also notable for letting Zekrom gaining several key KOs over that Leftovers forces it to miss out on. For example, after one Hone Claws boost, Jolly Life Orb Zekrom will always OHKO maximum HP Arceus with Bolt Strike after Stealth Rock damage, (comma) while ; (semicolon) Adamant Life Orb Zekrom will have also has an 87% chance of OHKOing maximum HP Dialga with a +1 Outrage. Finally, with Life Orb, you have the option of using Draco Meteor over Outrage and Dragon Claw. Assuming the same EVs as the Mixed set a spread of 104 HP / 148 Atk / 252 SpA / 4 Spe Do not assume that people will read all of the sets, Draco Meteor will 2HKO Groudon, one of this set'(apostrophe)s biggest problems, and can also be used to lure Ferrothorn in after one it is if Draco Meteor used once. The downside in doing so is that Zekrom will have serious problems getting past most Dialga.</p>

    <p>Toxic Spikes and hazards completely tear this set apart, so a Rapid Spin user should be used. Tentacruel is an amazing spinner, because as being part Poison-type means that it can simply clear the field of Toxic Spikes when it switches in. Groudon, Ground Arceus, and Hippowdon are immune to Bolt Strike, laugh at Outrage with their massive Defense stats, and strike back hard with their super effective STAB moves. Hippowdon and Ground Arceus can heal themselves by using Slack Off and Recover, respectively. Excadrill falls in the same boat as the aforementioned Pokemon, but it resists Outrage. Grass Arceus usually carries Ice Beam and Will-O-Wisp, resists Bolt Strike, and has the ability to Recover off the damage, which makes it a solid switch-in. However, Grass Arceus will take a lot from a +1 Outrage. Garchomp and any other faster Dragon-type Pokemon can revenge kill Zekrom. Garchomp gets a special mention, as it is able to break Zekrom's Substitute and OHKO it with Dual Chop. Like Garchomp, Cloyster also outspeeds Zekrom, and can use Icicle Spear to break through Zekrom's Substitute and OHKO it. Lugia, if faster, can set up Reflect before Zekrom gets the chance to hit with Bolt Strike, and proceed to stall it with Roost.</p>

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    Implemented, thanks ShakeItUp!


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