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Zigzagoon (LC Analysis)'

Discussion in 'Uploaded Analyses' started by Rolf, Dec 15, 2009.

  1. Rolf

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    My first analysis! I hope you all like it!

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    Status: Edited for new conditions, need approvals/grammar checkers

    [Overview]

    <p>Game Freak seems to be teasing us by giving us an evolutionary line with the holy trinity of sweeping powerBelly Drum, Gluttony, and a STAB ExtremeSpeed; yet not allowing poor little Zigzagoon to legally have one of the key elements of the ultimate one-turn setup: Gluttony. Tack on its paltry 240 Base Stat Total, the 27th worst of all 493 Pokemon, and you have yourselves an underwhelming tiny raccoon. Yet even with these setbacks, Zigzagoon has found its own little niche in the Little Cup metagame. It wields the power of Belly Drum and the strongest reliable priority in all of the Little Cup, giving it a special little spot in all of our little hearts.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Belly Drum Sweeper
    move 1: Belly Drum
    move 2: Substitute
    move 3: ExtremeSpeed
    move 4: Seed Bomb
    item: Salac Berry
    ability: Pickup
    nature: Adamant
    evs: 196 Atk / 28 Def / 28 SpD / 196 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>With the discovery of the Pomeg Glitch, Zigzagoon can finally run the coveted combination of Belly Drum and ExtremeSpeed. The idea is simple: Substitute on a forced switch, then use Belly Drum to put Zigzagoon into Salac Berry range. This boosts your below-average Speed of 15 to a blazing 22, outrunning every single Pokemon in Little Cup not holding a Choice Scarf. At the same time, Zigzagoon's Attack soars to 52. You are then free to rip anything that doesn't resist your STAB 80 Base Power priority ExtremeSpeed to shreds.</p>

    <p>Zigzagoon's physical movepool leaves room for only one coverage option: Seed Bomb. Gastly that neglect to hold a Choice Scarf and Rock Polish Aron have a small chance to be OHKOed by a Belly Drum boosted Seed Bomb, but even then only after Stealth Rock damage.</p>

    <p>Dumping all EVs into Speed and Attack, along with an Adamant nature, allows for maximum damage while attempting a sweep. The leftover EVs are included to increase Zigzagoon's bulk. The reason they are not included in its HP is because with no HP EVs it hits 20 HP. Having a HP divisible by four is great for Substitute + Salac Berry sweepers, as it means they will be left with 25% of their HP when their Berry activates.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Zigzagoon isn't one of those Pokemon you can just throw on your team without thought; it requires a lot of support in order to be effective. Its frail 20/11/11 defensive stats, especially with the Normal-type's lack of resistances, rarely allow it to set up a Substitute and not have it broken first. Wynaut can help Zigzagoon out by giving it free turns to set up with its good defenses, Encore, and Shadow Tag.</p>

    <p>Bronzor and Scarfed Ghost-types such as Gastly pose the largest threats to Zigzagoon with their ability to take boosted ExtremeSpeeds and OHKO back with their respective attacks. Munchlax is an option to take care of these Pokemon. It can hit Bronzor with Fire Punch and any Ghost-types with Pursuite. Choice Scarf Cranidos also does a good job at removing these threats while still keeping an offensive momentum going thanks to its ability, Mold Breaker, which allows it to hit Bronzor and Gastly with Earthquake for super effective damage. Stunky and Diglett also make great partners, as they can trap and kill the Ghost-, Steel-, and Rock-types that threaten Zigzagoon. Wynaut also does a good job by trapping Bronzor and Choice Scarf Gastly on a Sludge Bomb.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Life Orb
    move 1: ExtremeSpeed
    move 2: Shadow Ball
    move 3: Ice Beam
    move 4: Substitute / Seed Bomb
    item: Life Orb
    ability: Pickup
    nature: Naughty / Lonely
    evs: 196 Atk / 112 SpA / 196 Spe
    ivs: 16 HP

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>While Zigzagoon normally functions as a Belly Drum sweeper, Life Orb Zigzagoon acts as a great revenge killer in a metagame filled with frail sweepers. Even with a relatively low 13 Attack, Zigzagoon can revenge kill many of the omnipresent threats in Little Cup with the strongest reliable priority in Little Cup after a Life Orb boost. Common threats such as Life Orb Croagunk, Choice Scarf Houndour, Guts Taillow, and Substitute Carvanha are always OHKOed by a Life Orb ExtremeSpeed, provided that Stealth Rock is on the field.</p>

    <p>The other moves come from Zigzagoon's extensive special movepool typical of Normal-types. Shadow Ball does a number to most Ghost switch-ins trying to absorb ExtremeSpeeds. After Stealth Rock, it has a chance to OHKO Gastly and do a respectable 46% on average to Drifloon. Ice Beam hits many of the physically defensive Ground-types who like to switch in to sponge ExtremeSpeeds. It OHKOes Gligar and 2HKOes Hippopotas, even through Oran Berry. In the last spot, Substitute can help you scout out switches so it becomes easier to OHKO certain Pokemon with your assorted special moves. Seed Bomb gives you a chance to hit the dual Water/Rock-types such as Omanyte and Kabuto for heavy damage. Surf can also be used to hit Aron if your team requires it.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Pokemon that can take advantage of the absence of frail sweepers benefit greatly from Life Orb Zigzagoon. With its excellent Attack stat and great dual STABs, Carvanha can hurt everything slower than it with Crunch or Waterfall. Misdreavus also can benefit from Life Orb Zigzagoon. With its 19 Speed counterparts such as Gligar and other Misdreavus out of the way, Misdreavus can finish off teams with a selected move. Eevee is another interesting option because its counters are exactly the same as Zigzagoon's. Eevee is stopped cold by Bronzor, Ghost-types, and Rock-types. Zigzagoon can get rid of them or weaken these threats to a point where Eevee can break through and proceed to sweep.</p>

    <p>Max Attack, Speed, and an Attack-boosting nature lets ExtremeSpeed hit as hard as possible and net the KOs listed earlier. The extra EVs are dumped into Special Attack so that Shadow Ball and Ice Beam hit harder; it's not like Zigzagoon is taking attacks any time soon. The 16 EVs placed in HP put Zigzagoon at 19 HP which minimizes the damage sustained from Life Orb.</p>

    [Team Options]

    <p>Zigzagoon is one of those Pokemon that does about 90% to most Pokemon with its attacks, meaning Stealth Rock is essential to its success. With this in mind, Bronzor makes a great teammate for Zigzagoon. Bronzor also sets up Reflect and Light Screen, allowing Zigzagoon to set up more easily.</p>

    <p>Belly Drum Zigzagoon's requires lots of team support to set up. If you want to use it, be prepared to devote at least two other Pokemon to support it. Firstly, it needs something to take care of Bronzor and Gastly. Munchlax, Carvanha, or a Scarfed Cranidos of your own do a great job of getting rid of those two. Second, you need a way for it to get in and set up safely. Wynaut does its preordained job of using Encore + Shadow Tag to make setting up easy if you can catch someone with an Encore while setting up or using a Ghost-type move. While setting up a Belly Drum sweep is difficult, it will almost assuredly pay off.</p>

    <p>The Life Orb set on the other hand is rather easy to stick on a team as it requires minimal team support. You can instead focus on picking Pokemon that take advantage of the holes it leaves in its wake. Most of the frail Pokemon it scores OHKOes on are in the 19 or 20 Speed range, so slower but very powerful sweepers that hit 18 or 19 Speed make great partners. One example is Magby, who is able to 2HKO the whole metagame with its standard mixed set but is stopped cold by the Pokemon faster than it. In addition, Life Orb Zigzagoon can hammer the regular Normal-type counters with Shadow Ball and Ice Beam, paving the way for an Eevee sweep.</p>

    [Optional Changes]

    <p>While Zigzagoon's special movepool is massive, its Special Attack is most definitely not. Other than the moves listed in the Life Orb set, using special attacks will do nothing more than hit a select few targets harder than its regular moveset. This could be useful if your team has certain needs, but are usually not enough to warrant a moveslot. Thunder Wave is an interesting option, but more often than not you'll be better off setting up a Substitute or hitting something with ExtremeSpeed. A Choice Band set is viable, but the number of Ghosts in the tier severely hinder its ability to do much. Zigzagoon does get Trick and Switcheroo to ruin any initial switch-ins, though.</p>

    [Counters]

    <p>Bronzor is the number one counter to Zigzagoon. It walls everything the raccoon can throw at it and then some. It can then proceed to set up Stealth Rock in its face or set up Reflect and Light Screen for an opposing sweeper to take advantage of. Scarfers that can survive a +6 ExtremeSpeed such as Gastly also make good choices, since they can easily outpace Zigzagoon and KO it.</p>

    <p>Other than that, you really shouldn't be switching out of Zigzagoon. The best strategy is just to attack it with what you have. Chances are that you will break it's Substitute and render the raccoon useless, except to fire off mediocre ExtremeSpeeds without a Life Orb boost.</p>

    <p>Facing a Life Orb set can be somewhat more difficult. The ability to fire off immediately powerful ExtremeSpeeds is threatening to many Pokemon. Again, Bronzor is a great immediate switch-in, as well as Rock-types such as Omanyte and Kabuto. Just be aware of Seed Bomb.</p>
  2. Heysup

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    Ok I have a couple problems with the sets.

    For the belly drum sweeper, you really want to use Seed Bomb over Iron Tail, Iron Tail actually shouldn't even be an option.

    Seed Bomb KOes Gastly and Aron after a couple switch-ins from Stealth Rock and is more effective on 99% of the Pokemon who resist / are immune to ExtremeSpeed (most notably misdreavus) due to it's perfect accuracy. On top of this, you can easily use Stunky / Diglett to remove those threats.

    Also, I don't think it is at all realistic to think that you will get a Belly Drum up and function well with the Life Orb set. In fact I would highly recommend using Seed Bomb over Belly Drum since it stops you from being forked over by bulky Rock-types who won't be OHKOed by Ice Beam. I would also consider Rock Smash or Surf to deal with Aron in that slot. Being walled by Aron is always a bad thing.

    And ffs change the Life Orb set's name to "Life Orb" lol.
  3. Rolf

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    Thanks for looking at it. I made the changes - the KOs with Seed Bomb were barely not there, so a little bit of residual damage does put those problem pokes in KO range of Seed Bomb.

    I also changed the LO set. That slot is really filler, although I still think sub is the primary option.

    Name changed from ZigzagLOon after much careful consideration and then some mourning :(
  4. Sheshi

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    My only question is: Why do you have the ability Pick-Up? Why not Gluttony?
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  6. Darkmalice

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    Not bad for a first analysis!

  7. Rolf

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    Thanks :)

    The changes were made. One or two more grammar checks and I'd say this thing is ready to be loaded. (hopefully)
  8. mtr

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    Not bad overall, but a bit too colloquial in tone in places, although I got what you were saying. My edits are in pink.
  9. Rolf

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    I made the changes. Thanks a lot!

    Were there really times that it was hard to understand what I was saying because I was too informal? I don't know how I can change that, I tried to write as professionally as possible while not going robot. Oh well.
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    Well, that's not quite what I meant. I meant that if I didn't already know something about LC, I would have to guess what things like 'Missy' were, and that stuff like 'pull it out of your hat' is a bit unnecessary.

    But let's not focus on the trivial stuff, it was well done overall. However, one final note:

    When I refer to an antecedent ambiguity error, it means that I have to guess what a certain pronoun refers to. For example:

    What does 'its' refer to? I know you mean Zigzagoon, but since pronouns are supposed to be closest to the nouns they refer to, I end up being confused as to whether Bronzor or Zigzagoon has low defenses. Therefore, to avoid ambiguity, I substitute in 'Zigzagoon's' for 'its'. Watch out for stuff like this on the SAT.
  11. Rolf

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    Or ACT in my case, since I'm going west for college :)

    Thanks for all your help.
  12. Namso

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    Just a little fix-up.

    Earthquake > Ice Punch - Rock-types aren't hit super effectively by Ice Punch, and Earthquake is more common on Munchlax anyway.
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    Belly Drum Sweeper (open)

    <p>With the discovery of the Pomeg Glitch, Zigzagoon can finally run the coveted combination of Belly Drum and ExtremeSpeed. The idea is simple: Substitute on a forced switch to protect you while you Belly Drum into Salac range. This boosts your below-average Speed of 15 to a blazing 22, outrunning every single Pokemon in Little Cup not holding a Choice Scarf. At the same time, Zigzagoon's Attack soars to 52. You are then free to rip anything that doesn't resist your STAB 80 Base Power priority ExtremeSpeed to shreads.</p>

    <p>Seed Bomb provides coverage against the Rock-type Pokemon that resist ExtremeSpeed and the Ghost-types that are immune to it. It lets you score KOs against the Ghost- and Rock-types that can survive a +6 ExtremeSpeed, but many of those KOs require Stealth Rock.</p>

    <p>Zigzagoon isn't one of those Pokemon you can just throw on your team without thought&emdash;it (it'll look better when in html) requires a lot of support in order to be effective. Its frail 38/41/41 defenses, especially with Normal-type's lack of resistances, rarely allow it to set up a Substitute and not have it broken first. Wynaut can help Zigzagoon out by giving it free turns to set up with its good defenses, Encore, and Shadow Tag. Pokemon that can set up dual screens, such as Bronzor, are also greatly appreciated, although Zigzagoon's defenses still only will allow you to set up on very weak attacks.</p>

    <p>Bronzor and Scarfed Rock- or Ghost-types pose the biggest threats to Zigzagoon with their ability to take boosted ExtremeSpeeds and OHKO back with their attacks. Munchlax is an option to take care of these Pokemon. It can hit Bronzor with Fire Punch and any Ghosts with Pursuit, while also hitting Rock-types with Earthquake. Scarf Cranidos also does a good job at removing these threats while still keeping an offensive momentum going. Due to its ability, Mold Breaker, it can use Earthquake to hit Bronzor, Gastly, and other Cranidos super effectively, while still doing respectable damage to Misdreavus. Stunky and Diglett also make great partners, as they can trap and kill the Ghost- and Rock-types that wall Zigzagoon.</p>


    Life Orb (open)

    <p>While the Belly Drum set packs an immense amount of power after a two-turn setup, Life Orb Zizagoon acts as a great revenge killer in a metagame filled with frail sweepers. Even with a relatively low 13 Attack, Zigzagoon can revenge kill many omnipresent threats in Little Cup with the second-strongest reliable priority in Little Cup after a Life Orb boost. Common threats such as Life Orb Croagunk, Choice Scarf Houndour, Guts Taillow, and Substitute Carvanha are always OHKOed by a Life Orb ExtremeSpeed, given Stealth Rock is on the field.</p>

    <p>The other moves come from Zigzagoon's extensive special movepool typical of Normal-types. Shadow Ball does a number to most Ghost switch-ins trying to absorb ExtremeSpeeds, OHKOing Gastly and doing on average 45% to bulky Misdreavus&emdash;enough to keep it from Oran range while still putting it in KO range for another Pokemon. Ice Beam hits many of the physically defensive Ground-types that like to switch in to sponge ExtremeSpeeds, OHKOing Gligar and 2HKOing Hippopotas.</p>

    <p>The last moveslot is mostly filler. Substitute can help you scout out switches so it becomes easier to KO with your assorted special moves. Seed Bomb gives you a chance to hit the dual Water/Rock-types such as Omanyte and Kabuto for heavy damage. Rock Smash or Surf can also be used to hit Aron if your team requires it.</p>

    <p>Pokemon that can take advantage of the absence of frail sweepers benefit greatly from Life Orb Zigzagoon. With its excellent Attack stat and great dual STABs, Carvanha can beat on everything slower than it with Crunches and Waterfalls. Misdreavus also can benefit from Life Orb Zigzagoon. With its 19 Speed counterparts out of the way, Misdreavus can finish off teams with boosted Shadow Balls and Hidden Powers. Eevee is another interesting option&emdash;because its counters are exactly the same as Zigzagoon's are, Zigzagoon can pave the way for a Curse Eevee sweep. Eevee is stopped cold by Bronzor, Ghost-types, and Rock-types. Zigzagoon can get rid of them or weaken these threats to a point that Eevee can break through and proceed to sweep.</p>


    Team Options (open)

    <p>Belly Drum Zigzagoon's setup requires lots of team support. If you want to use it, be prepared to devote at least two other Pokemon to support it. First, it needs something to take care of Bronzor, Cranidos, and Gastly. Munchlax, Carvanha, or a Scarfed Cranidos of your own do a great job of getting rid of the three main stops to a Belly Drum Zigzagoon sweep. Second, you need a way for it to get in and set up safely. Wynaut does its preordained job of using Encore + Shadow Tag to make setting up easy if you can catch someone on a setup move. The alternative option is to set up Reflect and Light Screen and hope something with only half-decent Attack stats comes in. While setting up a Belly Drum sweep is difficult, it can easily pay off.</p>

    <p>The Life Orb set on the other hand is quite easy to stick on a team and requires minimal team support. Instead of support, you can focus on picking Pokemon that take advantage of the holes it leaves in its wake. Most of the frail Pokemon it scores OHKOs on are in the 19 or 20 Speed range, so slower but very powerful sweepers that hit 18 or 19 Speed make great partners. One example is Magby, who is able to 2HKO the whole metagame with its standard mixed set but is stopped cold by the Pokemon faster than it. In addition, Life Orb Zigzagoon can hammer the regular Normal-type counters with Shadow Ball and Ice Beam, paving the way for an Eevee or Taillow sweep.</p>


    Other Options (open)

    <p>While Zigzagoon's special movepool is massive, its Special Attack is most definitely not. Other than the moves listed in the Life orb set, they do nothing more than hitting a select few targets harder than its regular moveset, but not enough to warrant a moveslot. Thunder Wave is an interesting option, but more often then not you'll be better off setting up a Substitute or hitting something with ExtremeSpeed. A Choice Band set is viable, but the number of Ghosts in the tier severely hinders its ability to do much. Zigzagoon does get Trick and Switcheroo to ruin any initial switch-ins though.</p>


    EVs (open)

    <p>On the Belly Drum set, maximum Speed and Attack with an Adamant nature allow for maximum overdrive while sweeping while the leftover EVs are included to increase Zigzagoon's bulk. The reason they are not included in its HP is because with no HP EVs it hits 20 HP. Having an HP divisible by four is great for Substitute + Salac Berry sweepers, as it means they will be left with 25% of their HP when their Berry activates.</p>

    <p>The Life Orb spread is simple. Again, max Attack and Speed and an Attack-boosting nature lets ExtremeSpeed reach its fullest potential. The extra EVs are dumped into Special Attack so that Shadow Ball and Ice Beam hit harder&emdash;it's not like Zigzagoon is taking attacks any time soon. 16 HP EVs gives it the magic Life Orb number in Little Cup of 19, making the recoil do only one damage per attack.</p>


    Opinion (open)

    <p>The Game Freak gods seem to be teasing us by giving us an evolutionary line with the holy trinity of sweeping powerBelly Drum, Gluttony, and a STAB ExtremeSpeed&emdash;yet not allowing poor little Zigzagoon to legally have one of the key elements of the ultimate one-turn setup: Gluttony. Tack on its paltry 240 Base Stat Total, the 27th worst of all 493 Pokemon, and you have yourselves an underwhelming tiny raccoon. Yet even with these setbacks, Zigzagoon fits in its little niche in the LC metagame. It wields the power of Belly Drum and the second-strongest reliable priority in all of the Little Cup, giving it a special little spot in all of our little hearts.</p>


    Counters (open)

    <p>Bronzor is the number one counter to Zigzagoon. It walls everything the raccoon can throw at it and then some. It can then proceed to set up Stealth Rocks in its face or set up dual screens for an opposing sweeper to set up with. Scarfers that can survive a +6 ExtremeSpeed such as Gastly and Cranidos also make good choices, as you can attack as the poor Zigzagoon Belly Drums then dies trying to ExtremeSpeed you.</p>

    <p>Other than that, you really shouldn't be switching out of Zigzagoon. The best strategy is just to attack it with what you have. Chances are that you will break its Substitute and render the racoon useless, except to fire off mediocre ExtremeSpeeds without a Life Orb boost.</p>

    <p>Facing a Life Orb set can be somewhat more difficult. The ability to fire off immediately powerful ExtremeSpeeds is threatening to many Pokemon. Again, Bronzor is a great immediate switch-in, as well as Rock-types such as Omanyte and Kabuto. Just beware of a gimmick Seed Bomb.</p>
  14. Rolf

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    Changes made, thanks for the input everybody!
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    Ran it through my Pokemon enabled spellcheck, made a few fixes direct (not many), went over the first set in detail by PM.

    Counters could do with mentions of some rock types who can take a Seed Bomb (Aron, Shieldon), or are scarfed and can take a Espeed. Maybe Magnemite? Any ghost that can take a Seed Bomb should get a mention (calc Floon and Duskull).
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    [SET]
    name: Belly Drum Sweeper
    move 1: Belly Drum
    move 2: Substitute
    move 3: ExtremeSpeed
    move 4: Seed Bomb
    item: Salac Berry
    ability: Pickup
    nature: Adamant
    evs: 196 Att / 196 Spe / 28 Def / 28 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>With the discovery of the Pomeg Glitch, Zigzagoon can finally run the coveted combination of Belly Drum and ExtremeSpeed. The idea is simple: Substitute on a forced switch while you Belly Drum into Salac range. This boosts your below-average Speed of 15 to a blazing 22, outrunning every single Pokemon in Little Cup not holding a Choice Scarf. At the same time, Zigzagoon's Attack soars to 52. You are then free to rip anything that doesn't resist your STAB 80 Base Power priority ExtremeSpeed to shreds.</p>

    <p>Seed Bomb provides coverage against Rock-type Pokemon that resist ExtremeSpeed and Ghost-types that are immune to it. It lets you OHKO Misdreavus, but will fail to OHKO Gastly and Aron without some residual damage.</p>

    <p>Zigzagoon isn't one of those Pokemon you can just throw on your team without thought; it requires a lot of support in order to be effective. Its frail 20/11/11 defensive stats, especially with Normal-type's lack of resistances, rarely allow it to set up a Substitute and not have it broken first. Wynaut can help Zigzagoon out by giving it free turns to set up with its good defenses, Encore, and Shadow Tag.</p>

    <p>Bronzor and Scarfed Rock- or Ghost-types [like?] pose the biggest threats to Zigzagoon with their ability to take boosted ExtremeSpeeds and OHKO back with their respective attacks. Munchlax is an option to take care of these Pokemon. It can hit Bronzor with Fire Punch and any Ghost-types with Pursuit, while also hitting Rock-types with Earthquake. Choice Scarf Cranidos also does a good job at removing these threats while still keeping an offensive momentum going thanks to its ability, Mold Breaker. It can use Earthquake to hit Bronzor and Gastly for super effective damage and do respectable damage to Misdreavus. Stunky and Diglett also make great partners, as they can trap and kill the Ghost-, Steel-, Rock-types that threaten [changed 'wall' to threaten because Zigzagoon isn't walled by Rock-types] Zigzagoon.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Life Orb
    move 1: ExtremeSpeed
    move 2: Shadow Ball
    move 3: Ice Beam
    move 4: Substitute / Seed Bomb
    item: Life Orb
    ability: Pickup
    nature: Naughty / Lonely
    evs: 196 Att / 196 Spe / 112 SpA
    ivs: 16 HP

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>While Belly Drum Zigzagoon normally functions as a sweeper, Life Orb Zigzagoon acts as a great revenge killer in a metagame filled with frail sweepers. Even with a relatively low 13 Attack, Zigzagoon can revenge kill many omnipresent threats in Little Cup with the second-strongest reliable priority in Little Cup after a Life Orb boost, only behind Life Orb Eevee's Quick Attack. Common threats such as Life Orb Croagunk, Choice Scarf Houndour, Guts Taillow, and Substitute Carvanha are always OHKOed by a Life Orb ExtremeSpeed, provided that Stealth Rock is on the field.</p>

    <p>The other moves come from Zigzagoon's extensive special movepool - typical of Normal-types. Shadow Ball does a number to most Ghost switch-ins trying to absorb ExtremeSpeeds as it can OHKO Gastly and doing 45% on average to bulky Misdreavus; enough to keep it from Oran Berry range, but still putting it in OHKO range for another Pokemon. Ice Beam hits many of the physically defensive Ground-types that like to switch in to sponge ExtremeSpeeds; OHKOing Gligar and 2HKOing Hippopotas, even through Oran Berry.</p>

    <p>Substitute can help you scout out switches so it becomes easier to OHKO certain Pokemon with your assorted special moves. Seed Bomb gives you a chance to hit the dual Water/Rock-types such as Omanyte and Kabuto for heavy damage. Rock Smash or Surf can also be used to hit Aron if your team requires it.</p>

    <p>Pokemon that can take advantage of the absence of frail sweepers benefit greatly from Life Orb Zigzagoon. With its excellent Attack stat and great dual STABs, Carvanha can beat on everything slower than it with Crunch or Waterfall. Misdreavus also can benefit from Life Orb Zigzagoon. With its 19 Speed counterparts such as Gligar and other Misdreavus out of the way, Misdreavus can finish off teams with a selected move. Eevee is another interesting option because its counters are exactly the same as Zigzagoon's and it can pave the way for a Curse Eevee sweep. Eevee is stopped cold by Bronzor, Ghost-types, and Rock-types. Zigzagoon can get rid of them or weaken these threats to a point where Eevee can break through and proceed to sweep.</p>

    [Team Options]

    <p>Belly Drum Zigzagoon's setup requires lots of team support. If you want to use it, be prepared to devote at least two other Pokemon to support it. Firstly, it needs something to take care of Bronzor, Cranidos, and Gastly. Munchlax, Carvanha, or a Scarfed Cranidos of your own do a great job of getting rid of the former three who prevent a succesful Belly Drum sweep. [I recommend elaborating on how they handle these threats] Secondly, you need a way for it to get in and set up safely. Wynaut does its preordained job of using Encore + Shadow Tag to make setting up easy if you can catch someone with an Encore, while setting up or using a Ghost-type move. Although setting up a Belly Drum sweep is difficult, it can easily pay off.</p>

    <p>The Life Orb set on the other hand is quite easy to stick on a team and requires minimal team support. You can instead focus on picking Pokemon that take advantage of the holes it leaves in its wake. Most of the Pokemon it scores OHKOs on are in the 19 or 20 Speed range, so slower. [cut fluff] One example is Magby, who is able to 2HKO the whole metagame with its standard mixed set, but is stopped cold by the Pokemon faster than it. In addition, Life Orb Zigzagoon can hammer the regular Normal-type counters with Shadow Ball and Ice Beam, paving the way for a possible Eevee or Taillow sweep.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>While Zigzagoon's special movepool is massive, its Special Attack is most definitely not. Other than the moves listed in the Life Orb set, using special attacks will do nothing more than hit a select few targets harder than its regular moveset. This could be useful if your team has certain needs, but are usually not enough to warrant a moveslot. Thunder Wave is an interesting option, but more often then not you'll be better off setting up a Substitute or hitting something with ExtremeSpeed. A Choice Band set is viable, but the number of Ghost-types in the tier severely hinder its ability to do much. Zigzagoon does get Trick and Switcheroo to ruin any initial switch-ins though.</p>

    [EVs]

    <p>On the Belly Drum set, maximum Speed and Attack with an Adamant nature allow for maximum overdrive while sweeping. The leftover EVs are included to increase Zigzagoon's bulk. The reason they are not included in its HP is because with no HP EVs it hits 20 HP. Having an HP divisible by four is great for Substitute + Salac Berry sweepers, as it means they will be left with 25% of their HP when their Berry activates.</p>

    <p>The Life Orb spread is simple. Again, max Attack and Speed and an Attack-boosting nature lets ExtremeSpeed hit as hard as possible. The extra EVs are dumped into Special Attack so that Shadow Ball and Ice Beam hit hard; it's not like Zigzagoon is taking attacks any time soon. 16 HP EVs gives it the magic Life Orb number in Little Cup of 19, making the recoil do only one damage per attack.</p>

    [Opinion]

    <p>The Game Freak gods seem to be teasing us by giving us an evolutionary line with the holy trinity of sweeping powerBelly Drum, Gluttony, and a STAB ExtremeSpeed; yet not allowing poor little Zigzagoon to legally have one of the key elements of the ultimate one-turn setup: Gluttony. Tack on its paltry 240 Base Stat Total, the 27th worst of all 493 Pokemon, and you have yourselves an underwhelming tiny raccoon. Yet even with these setbacks, Zigzagoon fits into its own little niche in the Little Cup metagame. It wields the power of Belly Drum and the second-strongest reliable priority in all of the Little Cup, giving it a special little spot in all of our little hearts.</p>

    [Counters]

    <p>Bronzor is the number one counter to Zigzagoon. It walls everything the raccoon can throw at it. It can then proceed to set up Stealth Rock in its face or set up Reflect and Light Screen for an opposing sweeper to take advantage of. Choice Scarfers that can survive a +6 ExtremeSpeed such as Gastly and Cranidos also make good choices, as you can attack as the poor Zigzagoon Belly Drums then dies trying to ExtremeSpeed you.</p>

    <p>Other than that, you really shouldn't be switching out of Zigzagoon. The best strategy is just to attack it with what you have. Chances are that you will break it's Substitute and render the raccoon useless, except to fire off mediocre ExtremeSpeeds without a Life Orb boost.</p>

    <p>Facing a Life Orb set can be somewhat more difficult. The ability to fire off immediately powerful ExtremeSpeeds is threatening to many Pokemon. Again, Bronzor is a great immediate switch-in, as well as Rock-types such as Omanyte and Kabuto. Just beware of Seed Bomb.</p>

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    Goob job for first analysis. comments in paranthesis changes in bold. Just a couple of things, on the team options, you should look to elaborate on how they beat those three guys. I think Magnemite deserves a mention as it can trap Bronzor. Just a thought.
  17. Vaz

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    You mean Gluttony, yeah?
  18. Namso

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    It's virtually impossible to legally obtain a Zigzagoon with Gluttony, ExtremeSpeed, and Belly Drum. The Pomeg Glitch was discovered in Generation 3, which was before the Gluttony ability existed (Gluttony is a Gen 4 ability).
  19. Snorlaxe

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    Just a reminder that you need to update this to the new format. You must also remove all mentions of Missy from this analysis.

    [SET]
    name: Belly Drum Sweeper
    move 1: Belly Drum
    move 2: Substitute
    move 3: ExtremeSpeed
    move 4: Seed Bomb
    item: Salac Berry
    ability: Pickup
    nature: Adamant
    evs: 196 Atk / 28 Def / 28 SpD / 196 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>With the discovery of the Pomeg Glitch, Zigzagoon can finally run the coveted combination of Belly Drum and ExtremeSpeed. The idea is simple: Substitute on a forced switch, then use Belly Drum to put Zigzagoon into Salac Berry range. This boosts your below-average Speed of 15 to a blazing 22, outrunning every single Pokemon in Little Cup not holding a Choice Scarf. At the same time, Zigzagoon's Attack soars to 52. You are then free to rip anything that doesn't resist your STAB 80 Base Power priority ExtremeSpeed to shreds.</p>

    <p>Seed Bomb provides coverage against Rock-type Pokemon who resist ExtremeSpeed and the Ghost-types who are immune to it. It lets you OHKO Misdreavus, but will fail to OHKO Gastly and Aron without some residual damage.</p>

    <p>Zigzagoon isn't one of those Pokemon you can just throw on your team without thought; it requires a lot of support in order to be effective. Its frail 20/11/11 defensive stats, especially with the Normal-type's lack of resistances, rarely allow it to set up a Substitute and not have it broken first. Wynaut can help Zigzagoon out by giving it free turns to set up with its good defenses, Encore, and Shadow Tag.</p>

    <p>Bronzor and Scarfed Rock- or Ghost-types such as Gastly and Cranidos pose the largest threats to Zigzagoon with their ability to take boosted ExtremeSpeeds and OHKO back with their respective attacks. Munchlax is an option to take care of these Pokemon. It can hit Bronzor with Fire Punch and any Ghost-types with Pursuit, while also hitting Rock-types with Earthquake. Choice Scarf Cranidos also does a good job at removing these threats while still keeping an offensive momentum going thanks to its ability, Mold Breaker. It can use Earthquake to hit Bronzor and Gastly for super effective damage and do respectable damage to Misdreavus. Stunky and Diglett also make great partners, as they can trap and kill the Ghost-, Steel-, and Rock-types that threaten Zigzagoon.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Life Orb
    move 1: ExtremeSpeed
    move 2: Shadow Ball
    move 3: Ice Beam
    move 4: Substitute / Seed Bomb
    item: Life Orb
    ability: Pickup
    nature: Naughty / Lonely
    evs: 196 Atk / 112 SpA / 196 Spe
    ivs: 16 HP

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>While Zigzagoon normally functions as a sweeper, Life Orb Zigzagoon acts as a great revenge killer in a metagame filled with frail sweepers. Even with a relatively low 13 Attack, Zigzagoon can revenge kill many omnipresent threats in Little Cup with the strongest reliable priority in Little Cup after a Life Orb boost. Common threats such as Life Orb Croagunk, Choice Scarf Houndour, Guts Taillow, and Substitute Carvanha are always OHKOed by a Life Orb ExtremeSpeed, provided that Stealth Rock is on the field.</p>

    <p>The other moves come from Zigzagoon's extensive special movepool typical of Normal-types. Shadow Ball does a number to most Ghost switch-ins trying to absorb ExtremeSpeeds as it can OHKO Gastly and do 45% on average to bulky Misdreavus; enough to keep it from Oran Berry range, but still putting it in OHKO range for another Pokemon. Ice Beam hits many of the physically defensive Ground-types who like to switch in to sponge ExtremeSpeeds. It OHKOes Gligar and 2HKOes Hippopotas, even through Oran Berry.</p>

    <p>Substitute can help you scout out switches so it becomes easier to OHKO certain Pokemon with your assorted special moves. Seed Bomb gives you a chance to hit the dual Water/Rock-types such as Omanyte and Kabuto for heavy damage. Rock Smash or Surf can also be used to hit Aron if your team requires it.</p>

    <p>Pokemon that can take advantage of the absence of frail sweepers benefit greatly from Life Orb Zigzagoon. With its excellent Attack stat and great dual STABs, Carvanha can hurt everything slower than it with Crunch or Waterfall. Misdreavus also can benefit from Life Orb Zigzagoon. With its 19 Speed counterparts such as Gligar and other Misdreavus out of the way, Misdreavus can finish off teams with a selected move. Eevee is another interesting option because its counters are exactly the same as Zigzagoon's. Eevee is stopped cold by Bronzor, Ghost-types, and Rock-types. Zigzagoon can get rid of them or weaken these threats to a point where Eevee can break through and proceed to sweep.</p>

    [Team Options]

    <p>Belly Drum Zigzagoon's set-up requires lots of team support. If you want to use it, be prepared to devote at least two other Pokemon to support it. Firstly, it needs something to take care of Bronzor, Cranidos, and Gastly. Munchlax, Carvanha, or a Scarfed Cranidos of your own do a great job of getting rid of the former three. Second, you need a way for it to get in and set up safely. Wynaut does its preordained job of using Encore + Shadow Tag to make setting up easy if you can catch someone with an Encore while setting up or using a Ghost-type move. While setting up a Belly Drum sweep is difficult, it can easily pay off.</p>

    <p>The Life Orb set on the other hand is quite easy to stick on a team, and requires minimal team support. You can instead focus on picking Pokemon that take advantage of the holes it leaves in its wake. Most of the frail Pokemon it scores OHKOes on are in the 19 or 20 Speed range, so slower but very powerful sweepers that hit 18 or 19 Speed make great partners. One example is Magby, who is able to 2HKO the whole metagame with its standard mixed set but is stopped cold by the Pokemon faster than it. In addition, Life Orb Zigzagoon can hammer the regular Normal-type counters with Shadow Ball and Ice Beam, paving the way for an Eevee or Taillow sweep.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>While Zigzagoon's special movepool is massive, its Special Attack is most definitely not. Other than the moves listed in the Life Orb set, using special attacks will do nothing more than hit a select few targets harder than its regular moveset. This could be useful if your team has certain needs, but are usually not enough to warrant a moveslot. Thunder Wave is an interesting option, but more often than not you'll be better off setting up a Substitute or hitting something with ExtremeSpeed. A Choice Band set is viable, but the number of Ghosts in the tier severely hinder its ability to do much. Zigzagoon does get Trick and Switcheroo to ruin any initial switch-ins, though.</p>

    [EVs]

    <p>On the Belly Drum set, maximum Speed and Attack with an Adamant nature allow for maximum overdrive while sweeping. The leftover EVs are included to increase Zigzagoon's bulk. The reason they are not included in its HP is because with no HP EVs it hits 20 HP. Having a HP divisible by four is great for Substitute + Salac Berry sweepers, as it means they will be left with 25% of their HP when their Berry activates.</p>

    <p>The Life Orb spread is simple. Again, max Attack and Speed and an Attack-boosting nature lets ExtremeSpeed hit as hard as possible. The extra EVs are dumped into Special Attack so that Shadow Ball and Ice Beam hit harder; it's not like Zigzagoon is taking attacks any time soon. 16 HP EVs give it the magic Life Orb number in Little Cup of 19, making the recoil do only one damage per attack.</p>

    [Opinion]
    <p>The Game Freak gods seem to be teasing us by giving us an evolutionary line with the holy trinity of sweeping power—Belly Drum, Gluttony, and a STAB ExtremeSpeed; yet not allowing poor little Zigzagoon to legally have one of the key elements of the ultimate one-turn setup: Gluttony. Tack on its paltry 240 Base Stat Total, the 27th worst of all 493 Pokemon, and you have yourselves an underwhelming tiny raccoon. Yet even with these setbacks, Zigzagoon fits into its own little niche in the Little Cup metagame. It wields the power of Belly Drum and the second-strongest reliable priority in all of the Little Cup, giving it a special little spot in all of our little hearts.</p>

    [Counters]
    <p>Bronzor is the number one counter to Zigzagoon. It walls everything the raccoon can throw at it and then some. It can then proceed to set up Stealth Rock in its face or set up Reflect and Light Screen for an opposing sweeper to take advantage of. Scarfers that can survive a +6 ExtremeSpeed such as Gastly and Cranidos also make good choices, as you can attack as the poor Zigzagoon Belly Drums and then dies trying to ExtremeSpeed you.</p>

    <p>Other than that, you really shouldn't be switching out of Zigzagoon. The best strategy is just to attack it with what you have. Chances are that you will break it's Substitute and render the raccoon useless, except to fire off mediocre ExtremeSpeeds without a Life Orb boost.</p>

    <p>Facing a Life Orb set can be somewhat more difficult. The ability to fire off immediately powerful ExtremeSpeeds is threatening to many Pokemon. Again, Bronzor is a great immediate switch-in, as well as Rock-types such as Omanyte and Kabuto. Just beware of Seed Bomb.</p>
  20. Rolf

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    Wow, it's been a while. Added grammar checks that Snorlaxe suggested. Updated to new standards, still could use some feedback on how it shapes up.
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