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Zweilous (Update) [Done]

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  1. ebeast

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    [Overview]
    • Has a good offensive and defensive typing
    • Hustle can be both a blessing and a curse. It's a liability on defensive sets and unreliable on offensive ones, but the power gained from it is huge.
    • Weak to a lot of common Pokemon such as Scolipede, Primeape, Jynx
    • Very niche Pokemon in NU and not for every team; has specific roles that should only be used on a need basis
    • On teams that need to take advantage of its qualities it performs very well
    [SET]
    name: Specially Defensive
    move 1: Rest
    move 2: Sleep Talk
    move 3: Roar
    move 4: Dragon Tail / Crunch
    item: Eviolite
    nature: Careful
    evs: 248 HP / 200 SpD / 60 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Zweilous's Dark/Dragon typing gives it many resistances to common special attacks and with 72 / 70 / 70 defenses alongside Eviolite, it can take on a huge slew of special attackers in the tier. The list of Pokemon that Zweilous beats is huge and these Pokemon provide it opportunities to phaze teams around with Roar and Dragon Tail to rack up damage from Stealth Rock and Spikes. Pokemon such as Eelektross, Rotom-S, Zebstrika, Serperior, Exeggutor, Ludicolo, Alomomola, Musharna, Charizard, Misdreavus, and Haunter make up a large portion of the metagame and are easily walled and taken advantage of by Zweilous.</p>

    <p>Zweilous's main draw, other than walling special attackers, is its ability to phaze around with both Roar and Dragon Tail. Roar ignores the effects of Hustle and allows for more reliable phazing, while Dragon Tail ignores the effects of Taunt and deals damage but only has a shaky 72% accuracy when putting Hustle into account. Having both Roar and Dragon Tail at once might seem weird, but it maximizes the chances of Sleep Talk picking a phazing move, which is extremely useful to keep a phazing chain going. Crunch is a good option over Dragon Tail for 2HKOing Musharna, Duosion, and Misdreavus, but its use ends there. Crunch gets in the way of Sleep Talk's phazing and only deals decent damage to neutral targets. However, if your team is weak to those targets, Crunch can be a blessing as the combination of good special wall, phazing, and ability to beat Musharna, Duosion, and Misdreavus is not found on many other Pokemon in the tier.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>60 Speed EVs allow Zweilous to outspeed uninvested Alomomola and Tangela while also phazing them through Sleep Talk before they can do anything in return. This is really useful for Zweilous as it prevents Alomomola and Tangela from getting off a Wish or Leech Seed, respectively, which would decrease the damage done on the Pokemon being forced in to take damage from entry hazards. With all the talk about entry hazards, it should come to no surprise that some of the best partners for Zweilous are Stealth Rock and Spikes users. As this set is more tailored to fit on defensive teams, the best Stealth Rock users for the job are Metang, Bastiodon, Torkoal, and Regirock. Each have niches for stall teams and pair well with Zweilous, especially Metang and Torkoal, which have good defensive synergy with it and support it by countering Jynx and providing Rapid Spin support, respectively.</p>

    <p>Rapid Spin users in general are very good for Zweilous, which doesn't like having to switch into entry hazards while attempting to wall the Pokemon it needs to. Torkoal and Wartortle are the best defensive Rapid Spin users in the tier; Torkoal providing a good check to Scolipede, Primeape, and Jynx, while Wartortle can guarantee Rapid Spin thanks to Foresight. As Zweilous is constantly using Rest, Heal Bell and Aromatherapy are great support options for it. They allow Zweilous to instantly wake up without having to be out on the field for two turns, which is useful if it desperately needs to be awake to get off another Rest or phaze with Roar. Musharna and Misdreavus are the best users of Heal Bell to partner with Zweilous as they can take the Fighting-type attacks aimed at it. Meganium, Audino, and Lickilicky are also good options to use Aromatherapy or Heal Bell on stall teams, but they compound weaknesses with Zweilous.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Offensive Tank
    move 1: Outrage
    move 2: Substitute
    move 3: Toxic
    move 4: Crunch / Superpower
    item: Eviolite
    nature: Jolly
    evs: 48 HP / 252 Atk / 208 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]
    • Takes advantage of its good typing to easily get up a Substitute a good amount of Pokemon such as: Alomomola, Misdreavus, Tangela without HP Ice, Roselia, Eelektross, Exeggutor, and Serperior
    • Toxic allows it to cripple Alomomola and Tangela switch ins, while it can stall them out with Substitutes and repeated Outrages/Crunches
    • Outrage is a really powerful attack and once Alomomola and Tangela are out of the way, it will dent anything as Steel-type Pokemon are not common in NU
    • Crunch is a secondary STAB option if Zweilous doesn't want to lock itself into Outrage while Superpower lets it hit Probopass, Bastiodon, and Klang at the cost of an Attack and Defense drop.
    • Even without investing much into its defenses, Zweilous still has decent bulk with Eviolite and can check Pokemon like Ludicolo, Seismitoad, Musharna, and Charizard and retaliate with an Outrage or Crunch. Outrage OHKOes the whole list after a bit of prior damage bar Musharna, who gets easily 2HKOed by Crunch.
    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
    • 208 Spe EVs allow Zweilous to outspeed Timid max speed Gorebyss and everything slower including Misdreavus
    • As it lacks any form of recovery it appreciates Wish support. Alomomola in particular makes for a good partner as Zweilous beats the Pokemon that give it trouble.
    • As it can take advantage of Alomomola, Tangela, and Misdreavus, Pokemon that dislike any of them such as Primeape, Sawk, Scolipede, Kangaskhan, Carracosta, and Charizard make good partners.
    • Zweilous can also use Thunder Wave and a bulkier EV spread of 196 HP / 252 Atk / 60 Spe Adamant to spread around paralysis and hit harder than the Jolly spread.
    [Other Options]
    • Taunt could be used to prevent set-up or status, but Zweilous is too slow to use it. SpD sets prefer to phaze and Offensive sets prefer to Substitute on status or attack.
    • Torment could be used to annoying against Pokemon who have only one attack to hurt Zweilous, but without reliable recovery fails to work.
    • It can set up Sunny Day and Rain Dance, but there are Pokemon better suited for the job as they can provide other support to rain and sun teams. Zweilous also has to make the choice of using either Eviolite to keep itself alive longer or Damp Rock and Heat Rock to keep the weather up for as long as possible, making it a less than desirable weather setter.
    • Zweilous can utilize a Choice Scarf set, but its low Speed and lack of reliability due to Hustle, makes it a poor choice for a revenge killer.
    • It can also use a Choice Band, but its lack of bulk without Eviolite usually means it will get a KO and then get KOed back. Choice Band also lacks the utility of Substitute and Toxic that the Offensive Tank set has.
    [Checks and Counters]
    • Common Pokemon such as Scolipede, Sawk, Primeape, Jynx, Samurott, Piloswine are capable of doing massive damage to Zweilous.
    • Gurdurr is capable of tanking Dragon Tails or an Outrage and retaliating with a Drain Punch and Mach Punch. It can also absorb a Toxic from the Offensive Tank set and gain a boost from Guts.
    • Offensive sets without Superpower are easy to wall with Steel-type Pokemon such as Probopass, Bastiodon, and Klang.
    • Offensive sets without Toxic are taken advantage of by Alomomola and Tangela
    • Regirock can easily take Outrages from Zweilous and retaliate back, but has to watch out for Toxic.
    • As Zweilous lacks a reliable source of recovery, it can be really easy to wear down with entry hazards and physical attacks.


    [Overview]

    <p>Zweilous is a niche Pokemon that should only be used on a need basis, but it posseses a few qualities that make can make it worthwhile. It has great bulk with Eviolite and can support defensive teams by walling a large portion of the special attackers in NU. It can also provide phazing to rack up damage from entry hazards with Dragon Tail and Roar. Offensively, it can deal massive damage with Outrage and Crunch, while taking advantage of its typing and the appropriate moves to get past the top physical walls in the tier, Alomomola and Misdreavus, opening the path for partners to break through. Its lack of reliable recovery means that it gets worn down quickly by entry hazards, putting a hamper on its ability to wall Pokemon or just stay alive during a match; as a result, Zweilous requires support to make the best out of it. While Zweilous's typing has great resistances, it also comes with some terrible weaknesses that common Pokemon such as Scolipede, Jynx, and Primeape can easily take advantage of.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Specially Defensive
    move 1: Rest
    move 2: Sleep Talk
    move 3: Roar
    move 4: Dragon Tail / Crunch
    item: Eviolite
    nature: Careful
    evs: 248 HP / 200 SpD / 60 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Zweilous's Dark / Dragon typing grants it many resistances to common special attacks, and with 72 / 70 / 70 defenses alongside Eviolite, it can take on a huge slew of special attackers in the tier. The list of Pokemon that Zweilous beats is huge; these Pokemon provide it opportunities to phaze teams around with Roar and Dragon Tail to rack up damage from Stealth Rock and Spikes. Pokemon such as Eelektross, Rotom-S, Zebstrika, Serperior, Exeggutor, Ludicolo, Alomomola, Musharna, Charizard, Misdreavus, and Haunter make up a large portion of the metagame and are easily walled and taken advantage of by Zweilous.</p>

    <p>Zweilous's main draw, other than walling special attackers, is its ability to phaze other Pokemon with both Roar and Dragon Tail. Roar ignores the effects of Hustle and allows for more reliable phazing, while Dragon Tail ignores the effects of Taunt and deals damage but only has a shaky 72% accuracy when putting Hustle into account. Having both Roar and Dragon Tail at once might seem weird, but it maximizes the chances of Sleep Talk picking a phazing move, which is extremely useful to keep a phazing chain going. Crunch is a good option over Dragon Tail for 2HKOing Musharna, Duosion, and Misdreavus, but its use ends there. Crunch gets in the way of Sleep Talk's phazing and only deals decent damage to neutral targets. However, if your team is weak to those targets, Crunch can be a blessing as the combination of good special bulk, phazing, and ability to beat Musharna, Duosion, and Misdreavus is not found on many other Pokemon in the tier.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>60 Speed EVs allow Zweilous to outspeed uninvested Alomomola and Tangela while also phazing them through Sleep Talk before they can do anything in return. This is really useful for Zweilous as it prevents Alomomola and Tangela from using Wish or Leech Seed, respectively, which would decrease the damage done on the Pokemon being forced in to take damage from entry hazards. With all the talk about entry hazards, it should come to no surprise that some of the best partners for Zweilous are Stealth Rock and Spikes users. As this set is more tailored to fit on defensive teams, the best Stealth Rock users for the job are Metang, Bastiodon, Torkoal, and Regirock. Each have niches for stall teams and pair well with Zweilous, especially Metang and Torkoal, who have good defensive synergy with it and support it by countering Jynx and providing Rapid Spin support, respectively.</p>

    <p>Rapid Spin users in general are very good for Zweilous, who doesn't like having to switch into entry hazards while attempting to wall the Pokemon it needs to. Torkoal and Wartortle are the best defensive Rapid Spin users in the tier; Torkoal is a good check to Scolipede, Primeape, and Jynx that bother Zweilous, while Wartortle can guarantee Rapid Spin thanks to Foresight. As Zweilous is constantly using Rest, Heal Bell and Aromatherapy are great support options for it. They allow Zweilous to instantly wake up without having to be out on the field for two turns, which is useful if it desperately needs to be awake to heal with Rest or phaze with Roar. Musharna and Misdreavus are the best users of Heal Bell to partner with Zweilous as they can take the Fighting-type attacks aimed at it. Meganium, Audino, and Lickilicky are also good options to use Aromatherapy or Heal Bell on stall teams, but they compound weaknesses with Zweilous.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Offensive Tank
    move 1: Outrage
    move 2: Substitute
    move 3: Toxic
    move 4: Crunch / Superpower
    item: Eviolite
    nature: Jolly
    evs: 48 HP / 252 Atk / 208 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Hustle gives Zweilous a lot of power, and a STAB Outrage in a metagame where Steel-type Pokemon are uncommon is frightening. With the metagame being more inclined towards offense, Outrage is generally a OHKO on most offensive Pokemon with only a few of them avoiding a OHKO after Stealth Rock. Due to its decent bulk with Eviolite and good typing, Zweilous is capable of setting up a Substitute on a good number of Pokemon, including Alomomola, Misdreavus, Tangela without HP Ice, Roselia, Eelektross, Exeggutor, and Serperior. Most importantly, it allows Zweilous to turn the most popular physical walls in the tier, Alomomola and Misdreavus, into complete setup bait. Toxic, alongside Substitute, allows Zweilous to beat Alomomola and Tangela, crippling them so that Zweilous's partners can break through them. Crunch is a reliable STAB attack that, unlike Outrage, doesn't lock Zweilous into one move. Superpower can be used to hit Probopass, Klang, and Bastiodon, but it doesn't work well with Substitute due to the Defense and Attack drops, forcing you to wear down Alomomola with only Toxic or risk an Outrage confusion.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>208 Speed EVs and a Jolly nature allow Zweilous to outspeed max Speed Timid Gorebyss and slower Pokemon such as Misdreavus, Exeggutor, and Alomomola, all of which give Zweilous an opportunity to set up a Substitute. Zweilous also can use a moveset of Thunder Wave, Outrage, Crunch, and Superpower with a 196 HP / 252 Atk / 60 Spe EV spread and an Adamant nature to spread around paralysis, hit harder, and have more coverage options than the main set. 60 Speed EVs allow it to outspeed uninvested Roselia so it can OHKO Roselia before it can set up Spikes, and the HP EVs allow it to take several hits thanks to Eviolite. While that set has more bulk and more coverage, it loses out on the utility brought by Substitute and Toxic, which allows it to do important things like bring down Alomomola and set up on Misdreavus.</p>

    <p>Thanks to its ability to lure in and defeat Alomomola and Tangela, as well as turning Misdreavus into setup fodder, Pokemon that struggle against any of them, such as Kangaskhan, Primeape, Sawk, Carracosta, Scolipede, and Charizard, make good partners. As Zweilous lacks any form of recovery, entry hazards and constant use of Substitute wear it down quickly. For that reason, Wish support is appreciated to keep Zweilous alive; Alomomola in particular is a great partner as Zweilous can defeat most of the Pokemon that gives it trouble.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Zweilous can use a Choice Scarf to outspeed up to base 110 Pokemon such as Tauros, but its reliance on Hustle means that it has to take a gamble every time, making it a poor revenge killer. It can also use a Choice Band to break apart almost every wall with Outrage, but generally speaking, as soon as it grabs a KO, it will leave Zweilous open to being KOed itself due to its lack of bulk without Eviolite. Zweilous has more gimmicky options that it can use such as Taunt and Torment, but it doesn't have room for them in its sets, and it's far too slow to use Taunt. It also has access to Rain Dance and Sunny Day, but there are better Pokemon capable of setting up weather that also bring other kinds of utility to those kinds of teams. Zweilous would also need to make a choice between using Eviolite to have an easier time setting up weather, or a Damp Rock or Heat Rock to extend the amount of time the weather is up.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>While it can be a little difficult to get a free switch into a defensive Zweilous due to its constant phazing, the only real threatening thing about it is just that. With Zweilous's specially defensive set being unable to hit hard, Pokemon such as Scolipede, Primeape, Sawk, Samurott, Jynx, and Piloswine are capable of doing major damage to Zweilous without much of a risk. On the other hand, offensive sets are countered depending on their move choices; sets without Superpower are beaten by Steel-type Pokemon such as Probopass, Klang, and Bastiodon, and sets without Crunch are forced out after Superpower's stat drops or Outrage's confusion. Alomomola, Tangela, and Regirock can take Outrages and Crunches, but have to watch out for Toxic crippling them. Gurdurr benefits from Toxic due to Guts and can take an Outrage while retaliating back with a Drain Punch. As both sets lack reliable recovery, they are easily worn down by entry hazards, which makes any kind of neutral attack deal significant damage to Zweilous.</p>
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    For C&C I would add the following:

    • Gurdurr : It is probably the best Pokemon to take it on because it can take an Outrage and heal itself with Drain Punch, and outspeed it with Mach Punch. Toxic gives it a Guts boost.
    • Regirock: It has a lot of physical defense, can Drain Punch it to heal itself and wear down Zweilous - Drain Punch can 2HKO while Outrage only 4HKOs against Offensive Tank Regirock.
    • Piloswine: It nearly OHKOs it with Icicle Crash, and Zweilous only sometimes 2HKOs it back with its best option, Superpower. It also has Ice Shard.
    • Pinsir: It can't get OHKOed by an Outrage after Stealth Rock and OHKOs it back with a Life Orbed X-Scissor.
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    I took all of Swamp-Rocket's mentions except for Pinsir (Doesn't fit with me talking about common Pokemon) and added them to C&C. I also added a few more things to Other Options so I think this is ready for QC.
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    OO:

    You can mention that running Rain Dance/Sunny Day forces Zweilous to choose between Eviolite or Weather Rock of choice, which is one of the things that makes it an inferior option for such a role

    God, I dug through its movepool looking for SOMETHING else to mention, but it's seriously hard-pressed for moves outside of what's mentioned. I guess you can mention Head Smash if you want, but it's up to you since its coverage doesn't add much.

    good stuff tho.

    [qc]1/3[/qc]
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    Thanks Treecko! Ready for QC 2/3
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    This is now written.
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    [Overview]

    <p>Zweilous is a niche Pokemon that should only be used on a need basis, but holdit posseses a few qualities that make can make it worthwhile. It has great bulk with Eviolite and can support defensive teams by walling a large portion of the special attackers in NU and provide phazing to spread around damage from entry hazards with Dragon Tail and Roar. Offensively, it can deal massive damage with Outrage and Crunch, while taking advantage of its typing and the appropriate moves to get past the top physical walls in the tier, Alomomola and Misdreavus, opening the path for partners to break through. Its lack of reliable recovery means that it gets worn down quickly by entry hazards and puts, putting a hamper on its ability to wall Pokemon or just stay alive during a match and as a result, Zweilous requires support to make the best out of it. While Zweilous's typing has great resistances, it also comes with some terrible weaknesses that common Pokemon such as Scolipede, Jynx, and Primeape can easily take advantage of.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Specially Defensive
    move 1: Rest
    move 2: Sleep Talk
    move 3: Roar
    move 4: Dragon Tail / Crunch
    item: Eviolite
    nature: Careful
    evs: 248 HP / 200 SpD / 60 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Zweilous's Dark/Dragon typing gives it many resistances to common special attacks and with 72 / 70 / 70 defenses alongside Eviolite, it can take on a huge slew of special attackers in the tier. The list of Pokemon that Zweilous beats is huge and these Pokemon provide it opportunities to phaze teams around with Roar and Dragon Tail to rack up damage from Stealth Rock and Spikes. Pokemon such as Eelektross, Rotom-S, Zebstrika, Serperior, Exeggutor, Ludicolo, Alomomola, Musharna, Charizard, Misdreavus, and Haunter make up a large portion of the metagame and are easily walled and taken advantage of by Zweilous.</p>

    <p>Zweilous's main draw, other than walling special attackers, is its ability to phaze around with both Roar and Dragon Tail. Roar ignores the effects of Hustle and allows for more reliable phazing, while Dragon Tail ignores the effects of Taunt and deals damage but only has a shaky 72% accuracy when putting Hustle into account. Having both Roar and Dragon Tail at once might seem weird, but it maximizes the chances of Sleep Talk picking a phazing move, which is extremely useful to keep a phazing chain going. Crunch is a good option over Dragon Tail for 2HKOing Musharna, Duosion, and Misdreavus, but its use ends there. Crunch gets in the way of Sleep Talk's phazing and only deals decent damage to neutral targets. However, if your team is weak to those targets, Crunch can be a blessing as the combination of good special wall, phazing, and ability to beat Musharna, Duosion, and Misdreavus is not found on many other Pokemon in the tier.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>60 Speed EVs allow Zweilous to outspeed uninvested Alomomola and Tangela while also phazing them through Sleep Talk before they can do anything in return. This is really useful for Zweilous as it prevents Alomomola and Tangela from getting off a Wish or Leech Seed, respectively, which would decrease the damage done on the Pokemon being forced in to take damage from entry hazards. With all the talk about entry hazards, it should come to no surprise that some of the best partners for Zweilous are Stealth Rock and Spikes users. As this set is more tailored to fit on defensive teams, the best Stealth Rock users for the job are Metang, Bastiodon, Torkoal, and Regirock. Each have niches for stall teams and pair well with Zweilous, especially Metang and Torkoal, which have good defensive synergy with it and support it by countering Jynx and providing Rapid Spin support, respectively.</p>

    <p>Rapid Spin users in general are very good for Zweilous, which doesn't like having to switch into entry hazards while attempting to wall the Pokemon it needs to. Torkoal and Wartortle are the best defensive Rapid Spin users in the tier; Torkoal providingis a good check to Scolipede, Primeape, and Jynx, while Wartortle can guarantee Rapid Spin thanks to Foresight. As Zweilous is constantly using Rest, Heal Bell and Aromatherapy are great support options for it. They allow Zweilous to instantly wake up without having to be out on the field for two turns, which is useful if it desperately needs to be awake to get off another Rest or phaze with Roar. Musharna and Misdreavus are the best users of Heal Bell to partner with Zweilous as they can take the Fighting-type attacks aimed at it. Meganium, Audino, and Lickilicky are also good options to use Aromatherapy or Heal Bell on stall teams, but they compound weaknesses with Zweilous.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Offensive Tank
    move 1: Outrage
    move 2: Substitute
    move 3: Toxic
    move 4: Crunch / Superpower
    item: Eviolite
    nature: Jolly
    evs: 48 HP / 252 Atk / 208 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Hustle gives Zweilous a lot of power and a STAB Outrage in a metagame where Steel-type Pokemon are uncommon is frightening. With the metagame being more inclined towards offense, Outrage is generally a OHKO on most offensive Pokemon with only a few of them avoiding a OHKOing after Stealth Rock. Due to its decent bulk with Eviolite and good typing, Zweilous is capable of setting up a Substitute on a good number of Pokemon including Alomomola, Misdreavus, Tangela without HP Ice, Roselia, Eelektross, Exeggutor, and Serperior. Most importantly, it allows Zweilous to turn the most popular physical walls in the tier, Alomomola and Misdreavus, into complete set up bait. Toxic, alongside Substitute, allows Zweilous to beat Alomomola and Tangela, crippling them so that Zweilous's partners can break through them. Crunch is a reliable STAB attack that unlike Outrage, doesn't loock Zweilous into one move. Superpower can be used to hit Probopass, Klang, and Bastiodon, but it doesn't work well with Substitute due to the defense and attack drops; forcing you to wear down Alomomola with only Toxic, or risk an Outrage confusion.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>208 Speed EVs and a Jolly nature allow Zweilous to outspeed max Speed Timid Gorebyss and slower Pokemon such as Misdreavus, Exeggutor, and Alomomola, all who give Zweilous an opportunity to set up a Substitute. Thanks to its ability to lure in and defeat Alomomola, Tangela, and turn Misdreavus into set up fodder, Pokemon that struggle against any of them such as Kangaskhan, Primeape, Sawk, Carracosta, Scolipede, and Charizard make good partners. Since Zweilous lacks any form of recovery, entry hazards and constant use of Substitute wear it down quickly. For that reason Wish support is appreciated to keep Zweilous alive and Alomomola in specifically is a great partner as Zweilous can defeat most of the Pokemon that gives it trouble. Zweilous also can use a moveset of Thunder Wave, Outrage, Crunch, and Superpower with a 196 HP / 252 Atk / 60 Spe EV spread and an Adamant nature to spread around paralysis, hit harder, and have more coverage options than the main set. 60 Speed EVs allow it to outspeed uninvested Roselia so it can OHKO it before it can set up Spikes and the HP EVs allow it to take some hits thanks to Eviolite. While that set has more bulk and more coverage, it loses out on the utility brought by Substitute and Toxic, which allows it to do important things like bring down Alomomola and set up on Misdreavus.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Zweilous can use a Choice Scarf to outspeed up to base 110 Pokemon such as Tauros, but its reliance on Hustle means that it has to take a gamble every time, making it a poor revenge killer. It can also use a Choice Band to break apart almost every wall with Outrage, but generally speaking as soon as it grabs a KO it will leave Zweilous open to being KOed itself due to its lack of bulk without Eviolite. Zweilous has more gimmicky options that it can use such as Taunt and Torment, but it doesn't have room for them in its sets and it's far too slow to use Taunt. It also has access to Rain Dance and Sunny Day, but there are better Pokemon capable of setting up weather that also bring other kinds of utility to those kinds of teams. Zweilous would also need to make a choice between using Eviolite to set up weather easier or a Damp Rock or Heat Rock to keep the weather up for longer.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>While it can be a little difficult to get a free switch into a defensive Zweilous due to its constant phazing, the only real threatening thing about it is just that. Without being able to hit hard, Pokemon such as Scolipede, Primeape, Sawk, Samurott, Jynx, and Piloswine are capable of doing major damage to Zweilous without much of a risk. Offensive sets on the other hand are countered depending on what kind of moves it chooses; sets without Superpower are beaten by Steel-type Pokemon such as Probopass, Klang, and Bastiodon and sets without Crunch are forced out after Superpower drops or Outrage confusions. Alomomola, Tangela, and Regirock can take Outrages and Crunches but have to watch out for Toxic crippling them. Gurdurr benefits from Toxic due to Guts and can take an Outrage and retaliate back with a Drain Punch. As both sets lack reliable recovery, they are easily worn down by entry hazards, which makes any kind of neutral attack deal significant damage to Zweilous.</p>


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    [Overview]

    <p>Zweilous is a niche Pokemon that should only be used on a need basis, but it posseses a few qualities that make can make it worthwhile. It has great bulk with Eviolite and can support defensive teams by walling a large portion of the special attackers in NU and provide phazing to spread around damage from entry hazards with Dragon Tail and Roar. Offensively, it can deal massive damage with Outrage and Crunch, while taking advantage of its typing and the appropriate moves to get past the top physical walls in the tier, Alomomola and Misdreavus, opening the path for partners to break through. Its lack of reliable recovery means that it gets worn down quickly by entry hazards, putting a hamper on its ability to wall Pokemon or just stay alive during a match and as a result, Zweilous requires support to make the best out of it. While Zweilous's typing has great resistances, it also comes with some terrible weaknesses that common Pokemon such as Scolipede, Jynx, and Primeape can easily take advantage of.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Specially Defensive
    move 1: Rest
    move 2: Sleep Talk
    move 3: Roar
    move 4: Dragon Tail / Crunch
    item: Eviolite
    nature: Careful
    evs: 248 HP / 200 SpD / 60 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Zweilous's Dark/Dragon typing gives it many resistances to common special attacks and with 72 / 70 / 70 defenses alongside Eviolite, it can take on a huge slew of special attackers in the tier. The list of Pokemon that Zweilous beats is huge and these Pokemon provide it opportunities to phaze teams around with Roar and Dragon Tail to rack up damage from Stealth Rock and Spikes. Pokemon such as Eelektross, Rotom-S, Zebstrika, Serperior, Exeggutor, Ludicolo, Alomomola, Musharna, Charizard, Misdreavus, and Haunter make up a large portion of the metagame and are easily walled and taken advantage of by Zweilous.</p>

    <p>Zweilous's main draw, other than walling special attackers, is its ability to phaze around with both Roar and Dragon Tail. Roar ignores the effects of Hustle and allows for more reliable phazing, while Dragon Tail ignores the effects of Taunt and deals damage but only has a shaky 72% accuracy when putting Hustle into account. Having both Roar and Dragon Tail at once might seem weird, but it maximizes the chances of Sleep Talk picking a phazing move, which is extremely useful to keep a phazing chain going. Crunch is a good option over Dragon Tail for 2HKOing Musharna, Duosion, and Misdreavus, but its use ends there. Crunch gets in the way of Sleep Talk's phazing and only deals decent damage to neutral targets. However, if your team is weak to those targets, Crunch can be a blessing as the combination of good special wall, phazing, and ability to beat Musharna, Duosion, and Misdreavus is not found on many other Pokemon in the tier.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>60 Speed EVs allow Zweilous to outspeed uninvested Alomomola and Tangela while also phazing them through Sleep Talk before they can do anything in return. This is really useful for Zweilous as it prevents Alomomola and Tangela from getting off a Wish or Leech Seed, respectively, which would decrease the damage done on the Pokemon being forced in to take damage from entry hazards. With all the talk about entry hazards, it should come to no surprise that some of the best partners for Zweilous are Stealth Rock and Spikes users. As this set is more tailored to fit on defensive teams, the best Stealth Rock users for the job are Metang, Bastiodon, Torkoal, and Regirock. Each have niches for stall teams and pair well with Zweilous, especially Metang and Torkoal, which have good defensive synergy with it and support it by countering Jynx and providing Rapid Spin support, respectively.</p>

    <p>Rapid Spin users in general are very good for Zweilous, which doesn't like having to switch into entry hazards while attempting to wall the Pokemon it needs to. Torkoal and Wartortle are the best defensive Rapid Spin users in the tier; Torkoal is a good check to Scolipede, Primeape, and Jynx, while Wartortle can guarantee Rapid Spin thanks to Foresight. As Zweilous is constantly using Rest, Heal Bell and Aromatherapy are great support options for it. They allow Zweilous to instantly wake up without having to be out on the field for two turns, which is useful if it desperately needs to be awake to get off another Rest or phaze with Roar. Musharna and Misdreavus are the best users of Heal Bell to partner with Zweilous as they can take the Fighting-type attacks aimed at it. Meganium, Audino, and Lickilicky are also good options to use Aromatherapy or Heal Bell on stall teams, but they compound weaknesses with Zweilous.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Offensive Tank
    move 1: Outrage
    move 2: Substitute
    move 3: Toxic
    move 4: Crunch / Superpower
    item: Eviolite
    nature: Jolly
    evs: 48 HP / 252 Atk / 208 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Hustle gives Zweilous a lot of power and a STAB Outrage in a metagame where Steel-type Pokemon are uncommon is frightening. With the metagame being more inclined towards offense, Outrage is generally a OHKO on most offensive Pokemon with only a few of them avoiding a OHKO after Stealth Rock. Due to its decent bulk with Eviolite and good typing, Zweilous is capable of setting up a Substitute on a good number of Pokemon including Alomomola, Misdreavus, Tangela without HP Ice, Roselia, Eelektross, Exeggutor, and Serperior. Most importantly, it allows Zweilous to turn the most popular physical walls in the tier, Alomomola and Misdreavus, into complete set up bait. Toxic, alongside Substitute, allows Zweilous to beat Alomomola and Tangela, crippling them so that Zweilous's partners can break through them. Crunch is a reliable STAB attack that unlike Outrage, doesn't lock Zweilous into one move. Superpower can be used to hit Probopass, Klang, and Bastiodon, but it doesn't work well with Substitute due to the defense and attack drops; forcing you to wear down Alomomola with only Toxic, or risk an Outrage confusion.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>208 Speed EVs and a Jolly nature allow Zweilous to outspeed max Speed Timid Gorebyss and slower Pokemon such as Misdreavus, Exeggutor, and Alomomola, all who give Zweilous an opportunity to set up a Substitute. Thanks to its ability to lure in and defeat Alomomola, Tangela, and turn Misdreavus into set up fodder, Pokemon that struggle against any of them such as Kangaskhan, Primeape, Sawk, Carracosta, Scolipede, and Charizard make good partners. Since Zweilous lacks any form of recovery, entry hazards and constant use of Substitute wear it down quickly. For that reason Wish support is appreciated to keep Zweilous alive and Alomomola specifically is a great partner as Zweilous can defeat most of the Pokemon that gives it trouble. Zweilous also can use a moveset of Thunder Wave, Outrage, Crunch, and Superpower with a 196 HP / 252 Atk / 60 Spe EV spread and an Adamant nature to spread around paralysis, hit harder, and have more coverage options than the main set. 60 Speed EVs allow it to outspeed uninvested Roselia so it can OHKO it before it can set up Spikes and the HP EVs allow it to take some hits thanks to Eviolite. While that set has more bulk and more coverage, it loses out on the utility brought by Substitute and Toxic, which allows it to do important things like bring down Alomomola and set up on Misdreavus.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Zweilous can use a Choice Scarf to outspeed up to base 110 Pokemon such as Tauros, but its reliance on Hustle means that it has to take a gamble every time, making it a poor revenge killer. It can also use a Choice Band to break apart almost every wall with Outrage, but generally speaking as soon as it grabs a KO it will leave Zweilous open to being KOed itself due to its lack of bulk without Eviolite. Zweilous has more gimmicky options that it can use such as Taunt and Torment, but it doesn't have room for them in its sets and it's far too slow to use Taunt. It also has access to Rain Dance and Sunny Day, but there are better Pokemon capable of setting up weather that also bring other kinds of utility to those kinds of teams. Zweilous would also need to make a choice between using Eviolite to set up weather easier or a Damp Rock or Heat Rock to keep the weather up for longer.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>While it can be a little difficult to get a free switch into a defensive Zweilous due to its constant phazing, the only real threatening thing about it is just that. Without being able to hit hard, Pokemon such as Scolipede, Primeape, Sawk, Samurott, Jynx, and Piloswine are capable of doing major damage to Zweilous without much of a risk. Offensive sets on the other hand are countered depending on what kind of moves it chooses; sets without Superpower are beaten by Steel-type Pokemon such as Probopass, Klang, and Bastiodon and sets without Crunch are forced out after Superpower drops or Outrage confusions. Alomomola, Tangela, and Regirock can take Outrages and Crunches but have to watch out for Toxic crippling them. Gurdurr benefits from Toxic due to Guts and can take an Outrage and retaliate back with a Drain Punch. As both sets lack reliable recovery, they are easily worn down by entry hazards, which makes any kind of neutral attack deal significant damage to Zweilous.</p>
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    I took cbt's am check. Only extra change I made was adding onto the line:

    Torkoal and Wartortle are the best defensive Rapid Spin users in the tier; Torkoal is a good check to Scolipede, Primeape, and Jynx that bother Zweilous, while Wartortle can guarantee Rapid Spin thanks to Foresight.
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    Implemented the check, but I have no way of updating the Title.

    EDIT: I can edit titles, so it now shows 1/2 : )
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    Hihi, amcheck. :)

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    Not much here, mostly grammar-like things, as I tried to change as much as possible. Good job!

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    Implemented most of Governess's check. Only things I deviated from the check were:
    1) In AC of Specially Defensive instead of changing it to "perform another Rest", I changed it to "heal with Rest"
    2) In C&C I left Specially Defensive capitalized because it's the name of the set.
    3) Instead of changing "Superpower drop" to "Superpower's recoil", I changed it to "Superpower's stat drops".

    Looking for another GP check pls.

    EDIT: You got me. Fixed it.
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    I might GP this later, but, set names shouldn't be capitalized anywhere aside from under the [SET] tag, unless the name is the name of a move, ability, or item.
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    Sorry for the double post, but this time it's for a GP check:

    [​IMG]GP check[​IMG]
    I'm just going to stamp Governess's check with a few of my own changes:
    Good job ebeast (and Governess)!

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    GP Approved 2/2
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    Thanks for the check Rohail! This is now finished and ready for upload whenever SCMS gets fixed.
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    now that SCMS is free I can upload! Good job!

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