NOC Lumiose Legends Mafia - GAME OVER (Mafia Win)

sunny004 said:
Hello everyone. A couple of points.

1) Since D1 vote is essentially a rand, I'd like to vote an experienced player as a matter of policy so we can get usable reads down the line.

2) This is going to seem angleshooty as hell, but because mafia had access to their chat prior to D1 (I had this host-confirmed in PMs but also see OP) I believe they are incentivized to delay the beginning of the game by not confirming until later than they are able.

Therefore Vote NightEmerald
(Also bro is busy af anyways so may as well lighten the load)
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i like this

vote NightEmerald
 
sunny004 said:
Hello everyone. A couple of points.

1) Since D1 vote is essentially a rand, I'd like to vote an experienced player as a matter of policy so we can get usable reads down the line.

2) This is going to seem angleshooty as hell, but because mafia had access to their chat prior to D1 (I had this host-confirmed in PMs but also see OP) I believe they are incentivized to delay the beginning of the game by not confirming until later than they are able.

Therefore Vote NightEmerald
(Also bro is busy af anyways so may as well lighten the load)
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1) is a complete contradiction please reassess why this is the case and get back to me

2) I disagree but maybe you believe that
 
sunny004 said:
Then why hasn't town won a game in basically the past year?

I disagree with this point. We need hard data from which we can effectively iso people and compare flips. We can more reliably trust an flipped experienced player's perspective / reads as opposed to a new player whose reads will likely be unreliable.
Similarly, even assuming that your point w/r/t not randing is true, we would need to identify players whose gameplay is abnormal. The only players that we are able to do so atp are experienced players, as there is actually a solid meta from which we can compare their current gameplay to past games.

I feel like ATP we can divide the playerlist into three categories:
Newer Players (I would like to avoid voting these players D1 specifically, we are more likely to catch them off of mech, from interactions with flipped players, or just spewing)
- Vizh (he kinda fits in both this category and the one below)
- des (to a limited extent, she has played lots of games recently but it is difficult for me to get a read on her. Although this could be a good choice since her reads were super on point last game)
- AligningStar (again, p new)

Experienced OC players (Players who likely can provide usable reads but have less NOC experience and so ymmv re: reads)
- Me (sunny)
- Mekkah
- Blazade
- Vizh (see above)

Experienced NOC players (Players who have played multiple games as of late and I think have not bad reads. For D1 ONLY I think we should be voting within this pool)
- AG
- DBD
- Lechen
- HyHy
- Tommy
- BD
- fairy
- CK
- skipper
- charlie
- pulsar
- NE

I still like my NE vote for these reasons. I make no claims as to the scumminess / town of my list above, I am just talking from the perspective of good D1 votes from a policy perspective
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Bolded and red: So u wanna flip a person with no posts for info just because they are expierenced.
 
Mekkah said:
so that's like my thing about NOC - what do d1 wolf posts look like
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Wolves immediately early posts are different to towns via tmi, oftentimes wolves actually have too correct reads and confidence because town are like “ugh this is so random early”

But a wolf can oftentimes see a town make a post, think it looks townier than it is because they know it’s town and start clearing people they shouldn’t be, or sometimes newer wolves even to the same to their partners and start finding things scummy when they really aren’t but they just are too on the nose because they know the plan

Opposite that, some wolves are too afraid of committing to anything for fear of being called out

A lot of town tend to bumble about a bit before finding a world view they stick to somewhat, whereas wolves a lot of the time either skip the bumble about phase because they have a clear gameplan and tmi, or they bumble about forever for fear of being caught with incorrect reads
 
Alright theres two slots I do not like.

1. Vizh: Most unpoductive questions ever that dont really push the game forward with very minimilistic view on things (except their read on ag, i kinda liked that). instantly sheeped NE with sunny and is asking people to go along.

2. Sunny: This slot has been pushing wild agendas. Wants to push NE because his flip will give info when they havent said anything at all (alsos slightly angleshooting them). And not pushing new slots "whose reads we cannot rely" doesnt make snese. Pushing a new slot can still give us info if they flip scum? Even moreso its gonna be troublesome reading new players at endgame anyways.

So ima go ahead and do this

Vote Vizh
 
AligningStar said:
Right so we wouldnt u push them after they made a post?
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No? I guess I don't understand what you are saying

AligningStar said:
2. Sunny: This slot has been pushing wild agendas. Wants to push NE because his flip will give info when they havent said anything at all (alsos slightly angleshooting them). And not pushing new slots "whose reads we cannot rely" doesnt make snese. Pushing a new slot can still give us info if they flip scum? Even moreso its gonna be troublesome reading new players at endgame anyways.
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Also just to address this rq:
1) flipping scum will give us info no matter if it's a new or experienced player? I mean duh. I'm assuming we are firing somewhat blind D1, so the rationale is that we can rely on an experienced player's reads d1 to scumhunt much more than a new player who may be scum but also has a high probability of being town.

2) We can also prob mech solve a lot of the new slots b/c this is a high power game
 
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