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Ok so my rationale is similar to what you said here below: a lot of towny players take a lot of time and bumble around but essentially come to a coherent worldview of who they TR / SR, etc. While scummy players tend to do like what you said below.
Duskfall98 said:
Wolves immediately early posts are different to towns via tmi, oftentimes wolves actually have too correct reads and confidence because town are like “ugh this is so random early”

But a wolf can oftentimes see a town make a post, think it looks townier than it is because they know it’s town and start clearing people they shouldn’t be, or sometimes newer wolves even to the same to their partners and start finding things scummy when they really aren’t but they just are too on the nose because they know the plan
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The reason why it's a rand for D1 is because WE DON'T KNOW who any role is. So it's basically a rand for D1 because at best we have pairings / reads, but nothing tangible to back them up besides vibes. E.g. Aligning thinking that I am scummy is one thing, but that info is more helpful when there is a flip to back that up if that makes sense.

I don't think I am explaining it that well but I am NOT saying that it's a complete rand for the entire game--the reads info is still useful in future days. But without any verifiable info to back it up it is essentially random.
 
sunny004 said:
Ok so my rationale is similar to what you said here below: a lot of towny players take a lot of time and bumble around but essentially come to a coherent worldview of who they TR / SR, etc. While scummy players tend to do like what you said below.

The reason why it's a rand for D1 is because WE DON'T KNOW who any role is. So it's basically a rand for D1 because at best we have pairings / reads, but nothing tangible to back them up besides vibes. E.g. Aligning thinking that I am scummy is one thing, but that info is more helpful when there is a flip to back that up if that makes sense.

I don't think I am explaining it that well but I am NOT saying that it's a complete rand for the entire game--the reads info is still useful in future days. But without any verifiable info to back it up it is essentially random.
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there is much more to scum reading d1 then "vibes". Its how u itneract with slots and how you push (wild) agendas and how u push slots and look into wagons.
 
sunny004 said:
Ok so my rationale is similar to what you said here below: a lot of towny players take a lot of time and bumble around but essentially come to a coherent worldview of who they TR / SR, etc. While scummy players tend to do like what you said below.

The reason why it's a rand for D1 is because WE DON'T KNOW who any role is. So it's basically a rand for D1 because at best we have pairings / reads, but nothing tangible to back them up besides vibes. E.g. Aligning thinking that I am scummy is one thing, but that info is more helpful when there is a flip to back that up if that makes sense.

I don't think I am explaining it that well but I am NOT saying that it's a complete rand for the entire game--the reads info is still useful in future days. But without any verifiable info to back it up it is essentially random.
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Yes but

If we vote someone d1, we don’t have their d2 reads etc we have their d1 reads

You’re right, reads should become more accurate as the game goes on however, your plans seems to go about applying someone’s day 1 reads to day 2. Day 2 reads are better sure, but just because we will be on day 2 tomorrow doesn’t suddenly make what I said on day 1 a day 2 read.

If you say day 1 reads are rand, you would be wrong however at least you’re in a camp. Right now you’re sitting in two camps of it’s rand but also we should vote someone to sheep the reads that you are assuming are rand, because it was on day 1.
 
Duskfall98 said:
Yes but

If we vote someone d1, we don’t have their d2 reads etc we have their d1 reads

You’re right, reads should become more accurate as the game goes on however, your plans seems to go about applying someone’s day 1 reads to day 2. Day 2 reads are better sure, but just because we will be on day 2 tomorrow doesn’t suddenly make what I said on day 1 a day 2 read.

If you say day 1 reads are rand, you would be wrong however at least you’re in a camp. Right now you’re sitting in two camps of it’s rand but also we should vote someone to sheep the reads that you are assuming are rand, because it was on day 1.
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Ok let me continue to try and clarify

I think D1 reads are useful to try and identify pairings more than anything. Yes they are low accuracy because there are no flips, hence the "rand" part of it; besides scum, we have no idea which pairings are T/S S/S T/T etc. So someone's TR / SR has a pretty good probability of being innacurate D1, but the fact that it was made can help us create pairings.

SO they are technically "not rand" per your last section but yes they are very low accuracy W/R/T D1 due to the lack of flips. Voting a non-new player will improve the accuracy of those low accuracy reads compared to a total noob; we at least have something objective to work with instead of continuing to fire blind.

Finally Tommy I'm curious what your ideal strategy would be then because all you've done is criticize mine w/o proposing alternatives. My NE admitted angleshoot was mainly to try and get the policy discussion going but it seems we have sidetracked into ideal D1 gameplay (without actually doing said gameplay!)
 
sunny004 said:
Finally Tommy I'm curious what your ideal strategy would be then because all you've done is criticize mine w/o proposing alternatives. My NE admitted angleshoot was mainly to try and get the policy discussion going but it seems we have sidetracked into ideal D1 gameplay (without actually doing said gameplay!)
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Contrasting this w/ Aligning who actually has been pushing the envelope forward while questioning my stuff

Same w/ DBD; he has shown to be active but has refused to engage or contribute afaik
 
sunny004 are you trying to dk pairings before half of the pair flips or you’re saying after we see one of them flip?

In general anyone making t/s pairings day 1 is probably not THAT experienced ftr because they are a complete newbie trap and mostly helpful to serve mafia agendas

It doesn’t really help because in reality we aren’t going to put much stock into sheeping the day 1 vote, it never really happens and usually the night 1 kill is much more reliable

My ideal strategy is to just play the game and scum hunt/ find town then vote someone who we think is in the Poe or is scummy. Not doing that just makes day 2 become another day 1. That being said I am actually anti voting new players day 1 to give them a chance so I won’t be voting mekkah today, and probably not align.
 
There’s not really always a genius alternative and mafia has been done many times, I feel less inclined to break the wheel because I’ve been around the block many times and played many games, even compared to majority of the more “experienced” players. I am aware that just playing the game out is the best scenario, but the most interesting part in engaging with you for me in this, is the mindset you have over anything else.
 
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