NOC Lumiose Legends Mafia - GAME OVER (Mafia Win)

sunny004 said:
1) How much are we thinking that the neutral is Mega Ray? I mean it makes a lot of sense because MRay is easily the most unique out of the megas

2) I'd be curious to hear how we think scum's gameplay adjusts with daytalk disabled and how we can use that to our advantage. This is a bit where my peanut gallery experience fails b/c most of the games have had daytalk enabled. I'm curious to hear [/USER] 's take in particular (although don't use this as an excuse to stop scumhunting!)
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1. Honestly hadn’t thought about, it could be Diancie too, I agree those are some of the more unique ones

2. I assume just quickly changing plans at the start of a day to try and minimize the effectiveness of their planning
 
Blazade said:
Vizh I'll vote when I have a reason to vote. Caring about wagonomics also means making sure that my votes matter in some way, whether because I believe someone is scum or am looking to see who else follows if I press someone.

Early thread impressions haven't pinged me yet. A couple of the pop ins and defenses could be arrificial/forced, but imo nothing of consequence has happened yet.

There's a reason I haven't played as much NOC recently, time is short and it's easy to read but hard to reread. But when I have opinions I'll push them with conviction.
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I like this post. I don't have much to add because there isn't much to add TO, but yea

Duskfall98 also curious to hear you elaborate a bit on the AG vote; anything besides vibes? CK kinda supplemented it for you but curious to hear your own thoughts
 
Duskfall98 said:
What is the point in (especially early) pressure in your opinion?
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You apply it (by voting someone, encouraging others to vote someone, highlighting flaws in someone’s arguments, blah blah, any real interaction with them that gets them talking more (ideally on the backfoot)) to get them to respond (defensively or otherwise, and determine how they respond to said pressure)

It felt like a back-off because you were laying a pretty solid case for sunny (#181), and then it doesn’t go anywhere.
 
Vizh said:
Even if it wasn’t an actual walk back, it was: pressure on sunny -> significantly less pressure on sunny


They’re very eh posts to me. Saying “Vizh asks questions” and “sunny is voting for NE even though NE hasn’t talked” are content, but they’re not great content. 193 rubs me the wrong way because it seems steer-y towards something like a des mislim (or me mislim according to sunny’s chart). 336 I just don’t like, it wasn’t a very hidden point being made about how bluedoom/charlie have a connection, but is admittedly probably NAI

257 was literally just saying clarifying DBD’s meta, something sure to happen by somebody else if there was a hard push on DBD, so calling it “town motivated” is a reach

> NE showing up

Unvote NightEmerald
Vote skippergamez
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Wants me to have my opinion backed with a vote -> votes me after I do just that
 
des121 said:
Anyways good morning guys. I finally caught up.

My reads are:
Me - town
Sunny - town
Hydro - town lean
Aligning star - null
Hydro - town lean
DBd - scum/null
Pulsar - town lean
Ck - town lean
Duskfall - town lean
A fairy - null
Ne - null
Blazade - null
Blue doom- scum
Mekkah - town lean ?
Sb - town lean ish
Vish - scum
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In the future I will policy anybody why spells my name incorrectly for impeding the ISO process (/j)

Did either(!) of Blazade’s posts come across any particular way to you?

Is there a specific post that made you think bluedoom was scum?
 
Vizh said:
You apply it (by voting someone, encouraging others to vote someone, highlighting flaws in someone’s arguments, blah blah, any real interaction with them that gets them talking more (ideally on the backfoot)) to get them to respond (defensively or otherwise, and determine how they respond to said pressure)

It felt like a back-off because you were laying a pretty solid case for sunny (#181), and then it doesn’t go anywhere.
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Bolded bit is most important - because that’s what is determining your read based on the pressure right?

Do you think sunny reacted bad to the pressure then?
 
sunny004 said:
Anyway I have a couple of questions for everyone that are intended to be SUPPLEMENTAL to the current scumhunting convo (i.e. please don't let these be the focus of the convo but I'm curious to hear everyone's thoughts).

Would have asked these earlier but I came up with these while I was sleeping so lol

1) How much are we thinking that the neutral is Mega Ray? I mean it makes a lot of sense because MRay is easily the most unique out of the megas

2) I'd be curious to hear how we think scum's gameplay adjusts with daytalk disabled and how we can use that to our advantage. This is a bit where my peanut gallery experience fails b/c most of the games have had daytalk enabled. I'm curious to hear Duskfall98 's take in particular (although don't use this as an excuse to stop scumhunting!)
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1) I think that’s possible, rayquaza in the weather trio is like the mediator between kyogre and groudon without really taking a side with either one, so I think that could make sense as either a neutral or townie.

2) I actually didn’t know abt this, but I’m not sure it really changes much, the effect scumchat has on play is usually pretty overstated and a lot of experienced scumteams just go off doing their own thing without coordinating mid-day, I do think it actually makes newer players a bit more difficult to read though because you can’t tell if they’re being coached in scumchat.
 
We shouldn’t really be speculating much on the setup right now , the most likely scenario is you spew stuff to mafia and whether it’s mega ray is neutral or not doesn’t help us

It aligns with smogtowns big problem of claiming early, one of towns best defensives in these games mechancially is to guard our info from the public thread where maids will get access

2) I didn’t even realise to how mafia have no day talk, that is the singular biggest nerf you can give any mafia team in a game really and completely fucks them unless you get huge buffs in other cases idk how I missed that

I’d rather take a few vanillas on my scum team, in a role madness setup, than lose the day talk - coordination is what gives mafia the ability to beat a majority town
 
Duskfall98 said:
We shouldn’t really be speculating much on the setup right now , the most likely scenario is you spew stuff to mafia and whether it’s mega ray is neutral or not doesn’t help us

It aligns with smogtowns big problem of claiming early, one of towns best defensives in these games mechancially is to guard our info from the public thread where maids will get access

2) I didn’t even realise to how mafia have no day talk, that is the singular biggest nerf you can give any mafia team in a game really and completely fucks them unless you get huge buffs in other cases idk how I missed that

I’d rather take a few vanillas on my scum team, in a role madness setup, than lose the day talk - coordination is what gives mafia the ability to beat a majority town
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Agreed with the first point, there are bound to be really strong PRs in this game that can bust things open by themselves if they live for long enough, by claiming early on you give up their cover and put town at a huge disadvantage by having them nkd early on, a disadvantage which isn’t worth taking a prayer shot that scum derps their fakeclaim.

Day talk disabled is a nerf yes, but quite honestly if each individual is able to pull their weight they don’t need to be constantly coordinating things, if anything that makes the team even harder to narrow because you can’t actually tell what’s being coordinated. I’ve won quite a few scum games without shit being said in scumchat mid-day, just because we had a decent plan overnight and knew how to improvise. (This is not at all relevant to progressing the game, I just like arguing)
 
sunny004 said:
I like this post. I don't have much to add because there isn't much to add TO, but yea

Duskfall98 also curious to hear you elaborate a bit on the AG vote; anything besides vibes? CK kinda supplemented it for you but curious to hear your own thoughts
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Sorry I’m not seeing my tags anymore because of the like spams lmao, they should make it so like notifications go in one notification

AG has had an overall weak showing but his post about bluedoom and Charlie being aligned (regardless of alignment) is at best makes no sense, and at worst is a very classic scum strategy where they try pair their partner with another player

Obviously if Charlie and bluedoom are the same alignment to looks better but the read as a whole just doesn’t makes sense to me, pre flip pairing like that is so harmful to town
 
I don't like Skip asking me questions and then not really doing anything with the answers.

Would appreciate votals. I don't really rate a Vizh vote, I feel like their efforts to try and drag us out of rvs early were genuine and I feel like they're getting a lot of flak for a reads post which was perfectly acceptable. I feel like he's just catching heat because he's more present than a lot of people so there's more opportunities to post something bad.
 
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