NOC Lumiose Legends Mafia - GAME OVER (Mafia Win)

Mekkah said:
charlieum I can think of reasons why you'd want town vig to claim their target (which is effectively what you asked) but I'd like to hear it from you first
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Accountability, mostly.

Harmful neutral = we expect people to drop quickly and I want to cut off potential for non-town to claim their kills as “vigs” later. Especially when neither of those shots looked like an expected vig shot even if someone.

Tbh if they claimed this with like 7 people alive I would probably go after their head instantly because it would be a no-risk claim atp so uh assuming CK is town it proooobably stops me misvoting them later.
 
“Standard” numbers is roughly 1 misvote afforded for town per mafia member before the final day they can die in (7/2, 10/3, 13/4 etc). High killing power etc muddies it a lot and neutrals especially fuck with things.

Normally it’d be a nightly kill for ITPs but I’d be shocked if it was anything less than 1/2 unless we’re against an arsonist.
 
charlieum said:
Accountability, mostly.

Harmful neutral = we expect people to drop quickly and I want to cut off potential for non-town to claim their kills as “vigs” later. Especially when neither of those shots looked like an expected vig shot even if someone.

Tbh if they claimed this with like 7 people alive I would probably go after their head instantly because it would be a no-risk claim atp so uh assuming CK is town it proooobably stops me misvoting them later.
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So to summarize: because CK claimed vig now instead of when we have ~7 alive, you think his vig claim and his townliness is more believable?

I am finding it hard to square this benefit with the drawback of opening up a vig to disruption in a role madness game, given that when you asked for the claim, you did not know the details of his cooldown.
 
Dead by Daylight said:
Votecount 1.9: FINAL Edition
AligningStar (6): charlieum, Vizh, des121, Duskfall98, CrreamyKitty, NightEmerald
Dead by Daylight (3): Mekkah, Lechen, Aura Guardian
Vizh (2): AligningStar, skippergamez
CrreamyKitty (2): Dead by Daylight, sunny004
pulsar512b (1): Blazade
NightEmerald (1): bluedoom
Aura Guardian (1): HydrogenHydreigon
HydrogenHydreigon (1): Lechen

Not Voting (2): a fairy, pulsar512b

i want to vote the ASS wagon first, starting with Vizh or NE. give me a reason why I should vote the other over you Vizh NightEmerald
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Dead by Daylight said:
Vote: des121 for now, at least until I get answers
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I won't lie, I laughed.

Can you expand on des please?
 
sunny004 said:
I agree w mekkah in that I think prob 2+ maf were off wagon. But I also think that dep on if we think there are 3 or 4 maf either 1 or 2 were on-wagon
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This is not wrong but 1-2 < 2-3 in terms of targets to get. If we clean through the whole AS wagon and we only get 1 maf we probably have to nail the others back to back to back in perpetual LYLO or close to. Roles cleaning through the wagon makes sense but for now votes on most of the wagon do not imo.
 
HydrogenHydreigon said:
- charlie's 1298 seems extremely tmi and coordinated with ck's 1301 vig claim. 1302 is also weird bc i think charlie was around when ck was going hard on tommy so why was it a surprise? like maybe its just me but ck vigging tommy was not surprising at all (bad, maybe, but not surprising) given his read on tommy d1
however, what are the implications of this?
- if ck/charlie are s/s and tommy was the mafia kill then what of blazade's death? 3p or an actual town vig, surely they have the foresight to like see. hey. two deaths maybe there is a town vig and we could get cc'd. but then again what town vig shoots blazade. god idk bc up until this point i was leaning town on charlie and was prepared to be a ck defender, and i kind of stil am bc i think if you read his past posts the progression on tommy makes sense!! charlie has townie progression making sense posts too! i dont know at this point i think they're becoming scummier for md
- ck mentioned scum!charlie possibly having a track result on him resulting in tmi which is an option i hadnt thought of before
- option three is im reading too much into this and ck is fully just town vig and mafia shot blazade which is not unreasaonble ig but doesnt address the tmi concerns i had

god that was a lot of stream-of-thought and word vomit. tldr im fully conflicted over my ck/charlie reads rn
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If I'm maf with CK I do not play to get him CCed by a theoretical town vig that maf!me would assume exist and then get killed instantly, that shit makes no sense lol.

Also the tracker's like, dead.
 
Aura Guardian said:
Re: Charlie's request for my take on last hour EoD D1:

Seriously, 10.5 pages of EoD?
P42 #1033 giving weird vibes from Duskfall - wait, he's clear. Got to the 2nd half of his post, and it's fine.
P42 in general: getting bad vibes from NE
P43: Vizh voting NE after P42 quite understandable.
P44: Lots of NE is less bad of a vote sentiments.
P45: A lot of needing to remind people about the rules. No Mafia Daytalk, High Power.
P46: No real vibes? CK had some weird stuff about not wanting to tie it, when it was at DBD 4 / NE 3. Went over it again and changed from no vibes to the vibes of an absence around the DBD -> AS vote, but some minor vibes around the maybe switch to NE.
P47: grain of salt from me and hindsight, but AligningStar is looking like I felt in Low Power.
P48: Town vibes from Mekkah. Not much else. Just continuing from other pages.
P49: Don't like CK's posting here. Especially after someone mentioned early in the EoD that mafia would try to force claims to get info.
P50: Lots of doubt about AligningStar, both claim and the vote. Not going into the hindsight here.
P51: Don't like CK's posting here. Charlie looking better.
P52: No vibes until the vote completes.

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And getting some weird vibes from what HH and sunny brought up re: the vig claim. I want to follow up on the Charlie/CK claim query/claim, but later. After P46, I think Charlie and NE are paired.

Vote NightEmerald

CK being unCC'ed is too important to check like that and Charlie started looking better at the end If NightEmerald is guilty, we can chain into checking/voting Charlie and then CK.

I'll fight some for this order, but it's not a hill I'll die on.
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How do you arrive at me/NE being paired when I spent the end of phase saying I wanted to kill him over DBD if there were the votes to do it? Do I look better from NE flipping town or mafia? You look like you’re trying to have it both ways which is wack.
 
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