NOC Lumiose Legends Mafia - GAME OVER (Mafia Win)

Vizh said:
I'm getting a sort of cognitive dissonance re: CK's thoughts on pulsar

Not always specifically pulsar but low activity slots in general where CK scumreads pulsar, and calls them a "coasting wolf", but also talks semi-frequently about how low-activity votes are LHF and we shouldn't do them, despite being the first one to vote pulsar
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It was too early on in the game for me to be assuming that they’re gonna stay low activity / end up going MIA, and once I realized I switched off.

I still do have those thoughts where pulsar could def just be a coasting wolf, but like I’ve been talking about, I think it’s worth frying some bigger fish before we go after her because if she’s town we wasted time on a 0 info lolwagon
 
CrreamyKitty said:
Also had problems with how quickly they hopped on ASS with me,
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re: this, I play almost exclusively on mobile so I genuinely did not even see you mention voting ASS before I did
Vizh said:
I wanna vote for the next vote count before I make my next statement
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This was in reference to my post below
CrreamyKitty said:
Fuck it I’d be down for an aligning CFD if you guys want it, dude is not townposting
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Vizh said:
Can we get votes off of DBD and onto either NE or Aligning
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So I didn't sheep you onto Aligning despite you voting for Aligning first, I was actively looking to shift it to either one of NE and Aligning, and then you voted Aligning
 
CrreamyKitty said:
It was too early on in the game for me to be assuming that they’re gonna stay low activity / end up going MIA, and once I realized I switched off.

I still do have those thoughts where pulsar could def just be a coasting wolf, but like I’ve been talking about, I think it’s worth frying some bigger fish before we go after her because if she’s town we wasted time on a 0 info lolwagon
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What do you think about Lechen?
 
CrreamyKitty said:
It was too early on in the game for me to be assuming that they’re gonna stay low activity / end up going MIA, and once I realized I switched off.

I still do have those thoughts where pulsar could def just be a coasting wolf, but like I’ve been talking about, I think it’s worth frying some bigger fish before we go after her because if she’s town we wasted time on a 0 info lolwagon
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I have the same thoughts about pulsar to but one of her quotes that charlie mentioned seemed strange/scum to me.
 
skippergamez said:
I think its strange but on character for des to scumread to Townlean bluedoom

Also Vizh I would say I’m just suspicious of CK because of the vig shot (I think its just stupid, frankly), but I think the structure of the claim is towny if that makes sense.
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Yeah at this point with no CC I kinda have to believe it but that doesn't mean it's not worth mentioning yk

It's just so wildly horrid for des because you go from scumreading someone for offhandedly mentioning your name (which is bad), and while you continue to read others poorly for the same thing (ex: me), you completely swap up on bluedoom not even to seeing it as null but a full tr is just bonkers to me, and doesn't even feel consistent for des within the context of this game
 
Vizh said:
Yeah at this point with no CC I kinda have to believe it but that doesn't mean it's not worth mentioning yk

It's just so wildly horrid for des because you go from scumreading someone for offhandedly mentioning your name (which is bad), and while you continue to read others poorly for the same thing (ex: me), you completely swap up on bluedoom not even to seeing it as null but a full tr is just bonkers to me, and doesn't even feel consistent for des within the context of this game
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Like I read bd as scummy bc of joke I read him townlean after he was more putting good information. U on the other hand confused me d1 but I still think u might be tl/scum.
 
bluedoom said:
I'm looking at this atm and trying to think what the maf play is here. I have a hard time believing that the AS wagon i pure just becauuse...I'd have to look in sunny/pulsar/af/hyhy/mekkah/skip/ag/lechen/dbd. Eh ok the pool is big but heres where I'm at:

I honest;ly think that ag and Lechen are still town. This is just going off of meta but their play has been similar to what they did in low power mafia. In low power mafia lechen spent the entire game getting offended at being scumread/being called a lowposter and using OMGUS votes, while ag kinda made a bunch of wild votes and theories that rubbed people the wrong way and made them misvote him. If anyone would like to convince me that I'm wrong here, by all means, but I'm not seeing these two as scum so far.

Hyhy is my top town read, he's very invested and I imagine that scum!hyhy is quiet.

If I trust ag, then I'll have to take his word that af is greenchecked. This reduces the offwagon pool to mekkah/dbd/sunny/skip/pulsar. Suddenly this isn't as convincing for me to think that AS wagon was pure.

Of the AS wagon, I think charlie looks good. There's been a consitent thought process, progression, and I think charlie has not had static votes/a static game view for me to be concerned. CK...ehhh. I don't like the vig shot but this isn't someone whom I'd vote today unless there's some weird counterclaim. I think CK has been more active in the discussion and I think unvoting aligning before voting again because he got scumread for unvoting algning is more teling, because if he's scum he has the TMI to know that AS flips town to run off of the towncred on that.

That does leave me with NE/Vizh/des. I'm really starting to wonder if des is scum since we haven't seen her ask people about their reads on her, there doesn't seem to be that weird self conscious play that I saw in low power mafia. Unsure on Vizh, but NE my view is still the same as last phase. Agree with charlie's view on him, and also, he isn't showing the townie ego thatt I'd expect of him here.

Of the off wagon pool, I'd look into sunny/skip/pulsar today. Mekkah's content is honestly fine, and while I don't think dbd has done anything townie, I do think that the claim that he got roleblocked is a point in his favour, slightly..

Vote: NightEmerald
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This is 1 thing that makes him towny. Bc he does give some good reads on all o
bluedoom said:
I don't think dbd is *townie* perse but he's such a dead end vote, if he's mafia, great, if he's town, aren't we back to square one? I can't remember any significant interactions with him off the top of my head
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Also I agree with him on this post as well.

Vizh
 
CrreamyKitty said:
All the stuff said about them d1 still stands, and I get the vibe from them of a wolf who’s actively saying stuff just to blend in, posts like the one above you are what I’m talking about where it’s like, they’re moving around puzzle pieces but not connecting them.

Also had problems with how quickly they hopped on ASS with me, and how some if their d1 reads felt TMI-Motivated.

To throw it back at you, I’d like you to talk to me about why you think vizh is town here.
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I don't really feel like they're trying to blend in though - I feel like the repeated inquiries are more likely to be town struggling to tie shit together than mafia, because they don't feel like they have an agenda. It does feel like trying to figure stuff out (see: probably being the most engaged with actually trying to solve des).

To play devil's advocate they do not feel like they're trying hard to influence the vote despite being presumably one of the top 5 posters? (I have no idea how to check this on Smogon but this is just a guess.) But I do think this meshes with the rest of their gameplay and despite being consistently voted all game I would struggle to call their play survival focused, they've just kinda kept going.

I will go through end of day stuff when I get there but I kinda fear I'm not gonna get there tonight because I'm knocked out.
 
charlieum said:
I don't really feel like they're trying to blend in though - I feel like the repeated inquiries are more likely to be town struggling to tie shit together than mafia, because they don't feel like they have an agenda. It does feel like trying to figure stuff out (see: probably being the most engaged with actually trying to solve des).

To play devil's advocate they do not feel like they're trying hard to influence the vote despite being presumably one of the top 5 posters? (I have no idea how to check this on Smogon but this is just a guess.) But I do think this meshes with the rest of their gameplay and despite being consistently voted all game I would struggle to call their play survival focused, they've just kinda kept going.

I will go through end of day stuff when I get there but I kinda fear I'm not gonna get there tonight because I'm knocked out.
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U should take a break
 
Pulsar unvote on NE does look overly showy. If it was an intended pressure vote from a lowposter to another lowposter that's basically non-pressure so it feels kinda weird to act like their vote did anything and not having any bounce back's weird. This wagon's cool.
 
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