vote NE
need my answers man
need my answers man
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NOC Lumiose Legends Mafia - GAME OVER (Mafia Win)
- Thread starter StupidFlandrs48
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Did u forget to unvote me
Right fogotI said the reasons in my readlist which you said you read
Also typo bc vish at 1 not at 0
this reminds me that I should rewatch Breaking Bad.
Ah right forgot
Dbd did u forget to unvote me
Not yet not particularly
TL;DR: Vote Bluedoom
I've been trying to stew on a coherent way to structure this post for a little bit and am having a bit of difficulty; maybe it's just from fever brain fog but anyway my tylenol is kicking in so I am gonna try to crank this out while I have a semblance of lucidity in me.
BD has been pretty "off" to me this game and makes me think that this slot is more likely than not scum. Generally I dislike how he has been pretty UTR all game to me; I acknowledge that part of this is due to timezone but there seems to be a distinct difference between disengaged players like DBD and pulsar (who I am not giving a free pass, just distinguishing) and BD in my mind. The other UTR players have been receiving at least a token amount of scrutiny from players but I just don't see this similar pressure on BD? Which is suspect? So I am going to put some pressure on him now.
My first interaction with him was in 338 where he sorta breadcrumbed that I should have voted tommy based off of our interaction w/r/t D1 rand. That struck me as odd but not damning. After all, why wouldn't have he just voted tommy himself? Additionally this is more of a playermeta thing so take it with a grain of salt but generally I have noted BD to be "nicer" when he is scum? BD is always a chill guy and is never mean which is great, but the last scumgame I played with him that sticks out in my memory (Zorbees' big city) scum BD was similarly nicer than usual. So these initially keyed me in on this slot.
Speaking more broadly I also dislike how he has generally tunneled on NE and skip all game (technically as early as 238 but I'll be generous and give a beginning at 729 where it seemingly begins in earnest); I am not saying that I necessarily TR NE or here but this tunneling gives BD an excuse to *not* put pressure on most other players, which in turn prevents negative reactions from the wagoned players. I could totally see a world here where BD is attempting to bus NE (if not actively, then passively) in order to gain significant towncred, and generally when I identify this I prefer to vote the bussER before the busEE because it is more alignment-indicative to me. I am also generally not the biggest fan of an NE wagon; I admit that that is pretty vibes-based on my end but it seems to be a similar LHF situation at a cursory glance.
The other person that I could see BD being aligned with is DBD. He seems to be doing a pretty classic scum breadcrumbing vote strategy there. He always finds that DBD's position is not great but conveniently always finds a better option to vote due to DBD's "lack of info" (more on this later)
His general voting pattern throughout D1 and D2 has been suspect to me as well; looking back we see he votes Vizh in 238 and was actually the first to vote aligning in 781 before landing on NE again in 898. However he has been pretty non-committal with his actual vote desires and has indicated a desire to vote people in a very TMI-esque way without actually doing so. Let's take a look at some of these:
Anyway sorry if this was completely incoherent but I think BD has been very UTR and honestly quite inconsistent with his votes + seems to be doing scum breadcrumb voting and it doesn't smell right to me.
I need to go to bed soon due to my illness but I recognize that I am just dropping a nuke and then am sleeping shortly afterwards; since it was just a vaccine I should be better tomorrow but lmk if any questions before I sleep; otherwise I will certainly be around tomorrow morning when I am better + certainly will be on near EOD so feel free to grill me on any of these points + anything incoherent I may have written (which is very possible given my current state.)
I've been trying to stew on a coherent way to structure this post for a little bit and am having a bit of difficulty; maybe it's just from fever brain fog but anyway my tylenol is kicking in so I am gonna try to crank this out while I have a semblance of lucidity in me.
BD has been pretty "off" to me this game and makes me think that this slot is more likely than not scum. Generally I dislike how he has been pretty UTR all game to me; I acknowledge that part of this is due to timezone but there seems to be a distinct difference between disengaged players like DBD and pulsar (who I am not giving a free pass, just distinguishing) and BD in my mind. The other UTR players have been receiving at least a token amount of scrutiny from players but I just don't see this similar pressure on BD? Which is suspect? So I am going to put some pressure on him now.
My first interaction with him was in 338 where he sorta breadcrumbed that I should have voted tommy based off of our interaction w/r/t D1 rand. That struck me as odd but not damning. After all, why wouldn't have he just voted tommy himself? Additionally this is more of a playermeta thing so take it with a grain of salt but generally I have noted BD to be "nicer" when he is scum? BD is always a chill guy and is never mean which is great, but the last scumgame I played with him that sticks out in my memory (Zorbees' big city) scum BD was similarly nicer than usual. So these initially keyed me in on this slot.
Speaking more broadly I also dislike how he has generally tunneled on NE and skip all game (technically as early as 238 but I'll be generous and give a beginning at 729 where it seemingly begins in earnest); I am not saying that I necessarily TR NE or here but this tunneling gives BD an excuse to *not* put pressure on most other players, which in turn prevents negative reactions from the wagoned players. I could totally see a world here where BD is attempting to bus NE (if not actively, then passively) in order to gain significant towncred, and generally when I identify this I prefer to vote the bussER before the busEE because it is more alignment-indicative to me. I am also generally not the biggest fan of an NE wagon; I admit that that is pretty vibes-based on my end but it seems to be a similar LHF situation at a cursory glance.
The other person that I could see BD being aligned with is DBD. He seems to be doing a pretty classic scum breadcrumbing vote strategy there. He always finds that DBD's position is not great but conveniently always finds a better option to vote due to DBD's "lack of info" (more on this later)
His general voting pattern throughout D1 and D2 has been suspect to me as well; looking back we see he votes Vizh in 238 and was actually the first to vote aligning in 781 before landing on NE again in 898. However he has been pretty non-committal with his actual vote desires and has indicated a desire to vote people in a very TMI-esque way without actually doing so. Let's take a look at some of these:
- Likes voting NE because he hasn't said anything (fine, I grant it was early in the game but still worth noting)
- See skipper point here
- Totally unrelated but I just found Hyhy's 263 which really sums up my general vibe. But anyway moving on
- I talked about this earlier but this interaction with me struck me as pretty odd? Like again why not vote tommy yourself
- This is 729. Note again here how he breadcrumbs a NE vote while taking pressure off of DBD.
- 781. Focus on the blue highlighted parts here; more on that later.
- 854-856. Consistent here with above, just posting to establish the pattern.
- Adding vizh's post here for context since BD's 1579 (middle post) is responding to it. This seems like a big turn to me personally; it didn't take too much convincing for BD to peel off of NE, who he has been basically been laser-focused on all game, and onto pulsar (and conveniently NOT DBD, although I do recognize the RB claim there presents issues). Didn't he just say that he didn't like voting this slot because it wouldn't have provided too much info? And that pulsar is classic D2 miselim bait? I get that it's now D2 but the arguments he raises above still apply, no? Seems very inconsistent to me.
- But note how he hedges here wrt NE.
Anyway sorry if this was completely incoherent but I think BD has been very UTR and honestly quite inconsistent with his votes + seems to be doing scum breadcrumb voting and it doesn't smell right to me.
I need to go to bed soon due to my illness but I recognize that I am just dropping a nuke and then am sleeping shortly afterwards; since it was just a vaccine I should be better tomorrow but lmk if any questions before I sleep; otherwise I will certainly be around tomorrow morning when I am better + certainly will be on near EOD so feel free to grill me on any of these points + anything incoherent I may have written (which is very possible given my current state.)
This is like the 4th or 5th post that's calling my game UTR which annoys me because even if you think that my D1 is UTR(and I can't help it because D1 feels more rand and my timezone doesn't lend itself to it) my D2 has been anything but UTR, I'm not staying up all night just to talk to people when they get in the thread.
*taps sign*
And tbh most of my SRing like I said in my post was from your progression anyway
sunny004 has convinced me bluedoom is likely than my CK/NE/charlieum theory, and will give insight on bluedoom's reads. Especially if he's guilty.
Unvote
Vote bluedoom
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Vote bluedoom
-The reason I expected you to vote Tommy while I myself didn't vote him is because at that point some of your responses towards him looked defensive to me and it felt like you were shading him on some level. Its different from my end since I didn't want to commit to a read on him when he was getting things out while he was sick, I didn't want to vote him at that point.
I will give you that I am much nicer as mafia but clearly I can't be the judge of how "nice" I am in this game given my bias.
-I don't think its fair to call my reads on NE/skip as tunneling, I've hedged a lot wrt skip D1, and I am fine voting non-NE too?? For a period of time I even had an AS vote over NE so this isn't even true. I don't think there's anything NE has done this game to be considered townie, what you're doing is casing me for casing a guy who hasn't shown any town-sided behaviour, let that sink in. For a guy who is much more invested in solving and playing with people he likes, he isn't doing any of that.
The reason I was not for voting pulsar/dbd yesterday is because D1 is the most important vote in terms of setting the tone to get interactions, and pulsar barely had(and still has) interactions with anyone and DBD isn't much better, its just a really bad vote for D1. NE(and Aligning) were ok votes in my eyes because they were around quite a bit but felt like they lacked presence in a way which warranted a vote from my end.
HOWEVER D2 the big difference is that I'm very confident in an ag(af by proxy)/Hyhy/charlie/Lechen and CK's claim pretty much means he's not the vote today. That leaves my voting pool at pulsar/NE/skip/DBD/Mekkah/you/des/Vizh. Given that I have stronger townreads its not the worst to vote a less active slot.
I'm never voting Mekkah/Vizh over the rest today, and probably not you over them either. I'd rather note vote DbD after he claimed blocked, and I do have my reasons for that. That does land me in a pulsar/NE/skip/des vote today which is consistent with what I've been doing so far?
-Just gonna address the hyhy point but I debunked his point on me like immediately because he was wrong and I did comment on you vs tommy so I don't know why you brought it up.
You either think that I'm scum tunneling on 1 or 2 players and getting by with that, or you think that I'm hedging and keeping my options open for the vote. Which one is it? Because both points contradict each other.
Like I'm not sure why we are in a world where we're defending NE/pulsar/skip(its been almost 36 hours since day started and NE still hasn't posted)
And skip's contribution for d1 has been to votepark on Vizh the entire day...and he has suddenly forgotten that Vizh was a scumread of his? Nor does he mention anything about sunny or charlie, whom he had as scumleans too, so his new reads are me/Lechen?
Why am I spelling this out?
And skip's contribution for d1 has been to votepark on Vizh the entire day...and he has suddenly forgotten that Vizh was a scumread of his? Nor does he mention anything about sunny or charlie, whom he had as scumleans too, so his new reads are me/Lechen?
Why am I spelling this out?
Why did you phrase this like this
I like this post and the longer we go without new content from any of them the more I’m going to like it
2 days, deadline is in uhhhhh 14.5 hours(?) I think
I was hoping it would remind you to interact with the thread. Can you do that?