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Votecount 2.5: Where is Everyone?
pulsar512b (2): Vizh, des121
bluedoom (2): sunny004, Aura Guardian
skippergamez (2): bluedoom, Lechen
Dead by Daylight (1): Lechen
NightEmerald (1): Dead by Daylight
Aura Guardian (1): charlieum
Vizh (0): CrreamyKitty

Not Voting (6): HydrogenHydreigon, Mekkah, a fairy, skippergamez, pulsar512b, NightEmerald

Hammer will be called at 8 votes.

Deadline is in 14.5 hours. Please notify me of any errors I may have made in this VC.
 
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re: bluedoom

I’m definitely hesitant. I don’t want to vote bluedoom today idt but I’m also generally more prone to eliminating those with low activity (in this case, pulsar)
bluedoom said:
yeah I asked because I felt like that was worth a push, I think semantics based arguments this early feel more mafia-like because, what else are they going to push to start something? And tommy seems like the kinda player to do that. But also the guy is sick and I want to see more from him so idk. I'd have vote him if I was in your place tbh
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I don’t love the last little bit of this, like the last sentence does sorta sell me on the idea of bluedoom attempting to speak the Tommy wagon into the world, but the rest of it does honestly feel like inquiring as to why sunny didn’t end up voting Tommy when it seems like they were potentially going to

I honestly find their reasoning understandable for not wanting DBD/pulsar D1 and then being open to it D2, given I also have/had the exact same reasoning and why I’m on pulsar now.

Rereading it yeah honestly I’m not sure how to feel about them getting off of NE and onto pulsar specifically. It felt natural at the time but idk if that holds up. I’ll probably reread it but I’d prefer to not vote bluedoom today (probably)
 
StupidFlandrs48 said:
Votecount 2.5: Where is Everyone?
pulsar512b (2): Vizh, des121
bluedoom (2): sunny004, Aura Guardian
CrreamyKitty (1): Lechen
Dead by Daylight (1): Lechen
NightEmerald (1): Dead by Daylight
Aura Guardian (1): charlieum
skippergamez (1): bluedoom
Vizh (0): CrreamyKitty

Not Voting (6): HydrogenHydreigon, Mekkah, a fairy, skippergamez, pulsar512b, NightEmerald

Hammer will be called at 8 votes.

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Lechen said:
yes, that was me, but sunny was active then but rn he is slipping back into inactiveness. idk how I feel about CK vs Vizh though, I think I feel comfortable now to unvote CK perhaps and vote skipper
unvote CK
vote skippergamez
if CK doesn't die by shot we lynch him soon
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StupidFlandrs48 said:
Votecount 2.5: Where is Everyone?
pulsar512b (2): Vizh, des121
bluedoom (2): sunny004, Aura Guardian
CrreamyKitty (1): Lechen
Dead by Daylight (1): Lechen
NightEmerald (1): Dead by Daylight
Aura Guardian (1): charlieum
skippergamez (1): bluedoom
Vizh (0): CrreamyKitty

Not Voting (6): HydrogenHydreigon, Mekkah, a fairy, skippergamez, pulsar512b, NightEmerald

Hammer will be called at 8 votes.

Deadline is in 14.5 hours. Please notify me of any errors I may have made in this VC.
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thoughts on ag:
i understand the logic behind the logic behind his charlie/ne partnering read. i personally dont think its concrete but i the logic isnt like atrocious or anything
1817 progression is eh but its not impossible. im noting that ag seems to be thinking a lot in the "vote for info" direction with the ne/charlie pairing read and his statement in 1817- if he does flip mafia i think this could indicate one or more disengaged players as his partner?
i still dont like ags complete disregard of my arguments against him from d1 and they still stand imo. i understand the sentiment behind not voting him to prove his role but i still think megarole thief is a scummy af role??? we shouldnt just be like "oh yeah his role is proved hes good" like it could fully be a scum!rolethief
i personally have no qualms voting him,. with that being said given what happend yday and the role discourse around him today i dont think setting my vote on him again is going to be any productive even if i think hes scummy
 
since dbd is up next im gonna first give my thoughts on lesser active/disengaged players in general:
my personal opinion is that only in cases where the low activity becomes unnatural we should consider them as votes early game. if its like post d2 or whatever idc but earlygame those slots are easy lhf bait for scum to push
i think right now, the only disengaged slot i wouldn't vote is pulsar. ofc i will still read her but i actually think scum pulsar would be more active? (see: two mafia mafia or whatever it was called) i dont remember any recent scum!pulsar meta tho, but i think shes fully in town!pulsar mode
also im fully going to reconsider my position on skipper rn. i was defending him a lot d1 and i still think hes in town meta but i think now is about the time to think on it more
 
thoughts on dbd:
i came into today with a rather negative opinion on his slot and nothing has made me change that. hes honestly rly giving disengaged mafia. 1331 would have been good if he followed it up with good posting but nope, its just all super surface level and doesnt seem to be genuinely solvy. what i esp dont like is his "vote analysis" post 1422 where he calls out ne/vizh and then uses that as an excuse to make no content for the rest of the day. his only substantive post after that being 1801 "vote NE i need answers man" fully indicates to me he seems to be using that post as an indirect (direct? idk how to describe) excuse to not be a productive member of town.
also again the not genuinely solvy point. dbd doesn't explain anything. why did he randomly vote charlie? why does he want to start with voting vizh and ne on the aligning wagon?? when he says "give me a reason why I should vote the other over you" what is he looking for?? what makes people more towny and lessy towny to him?? it just seems so fake solvy

dbd is fully a vote consideration for me today
 
I don't have time to read/interact right now but I'll park my vote at least since it supposedly helps. For reasoning see my earlier posts. Also it wouldn't be the first game NightScumerald coasted by on being inactive.

vote NightEmerald

I do agree with Hyhy that a scum!pulsar (or scum!anyone really) would be more active, but since I haven't closely read the posts by the people who are actually active I don't feel comfortable placing a (temp) vote on them.

My only other insight rn is that not only do I think bluedoom asking vig to claim and then CK doing so was not a s/s theater, I think CK is probably not scum unless they know there's no vigilante in the game through safeclaims. I still think the way they switched to Vizh to try and milk more claims at EoD1 was bad, but I just can't see a world where scum fakeclaims vig like that.
 
HydrogenHydreigon said:
since dbd is up next im gonna first give my thoughts on lesser active/disengaged players in general:
my personal opinion is that only in cases where the low activity becomes unnatural we should consider them as votes early game. if its like post d2 or whatever idc but earlygame those slots are easy lhf bait for scum to push
i think right now, the only disengaged slot i wouldn't vote is pulsar. ofc i will still read her but i actually think scum pulsar would be more active? (see: two mafia mafia or whatever it was called) i dont remember any recent scum!pulsar meta tho, but i think shes fully in town!pulsar mode
also im fully going to reconsider my position on skipper rn. i was defending him a lot d1 and i still think hes in town meta but i think now is about the time to think on it more
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I've never played with scum!pulsar before so I don't know what she's like, but do you think that the blazade death is telling? Because I reread blazade and the only strong scumread he has was pulsar, so.
 
HydrogenHydreigon said:
thoughts on dbd:
i came into today with a rather negative opinion on his slot and nothing has made me change that. hes honestly rly giving disengaged mafia. 1331 would have been good if he followed it up with good posting but nope, its just all super surface level and doesnt seem to be genuinely solvy. what i esp dont like is his "vote analysis" post 1422 where he calls out ne/vizh and then uses that as an excuse to make no content for the rest of the day. his only substantive post after that being 1801 "vote NE i need answers man" fully indicates to me he seems to be using that post as an indirect (direct? idk how to describe) excuse to not be a productive member of town.
also again the not genuinely solvy point. dbd doesn't explain anything. why did he randomly vote charlie? why does he want to start with voting vizh and ne on the aligning wagon?? when he says "give me a reason why I should vote the other over you" what is he looking for?? what makes people more towny and lessy towny to him?? it just seems so fake solvy

dbd is fully a vote consideration for me today
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I can also vibe with this btw
 
bluedoom said:
I've never played with scum!pulsar before so I don't know what she's like, but do you think that the blazade death is telling? Because I reread blazade and the only strong scumread he has was pulsar, so.
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sorry im genuinely not someone who's good at making reads out of death flips/actions and stuff like that..
if i try to think about it i think on a general level i dont think necessarily? i think if that was the case pulsar would have tried to signficantly step up her game here (or at least her scummates wouldve prodded her to be more active) bc i think its easy enough for scum to tell that pulsar would get even more scumread from low activity regardless of who they killed
 
Mekkah said:
I don't have time to read/interact right now but I'll park my vote at least since it supposedly helps. For reasoning see my earlier posts. Also it wouldn't be the first game NightScumerald coasted by on being inactive.

vote NightEmerald

I do agree with Hyhy that a scum!pulsar (or scum!anyone really) would be more active, but since I haven't closely read the posts by the people who are actually active I don't feel comfortable placing a (temp) vote on them.

My only other insight rn is that not only do I think bluedoom asking vig to claim and then CK doing so was not a s/s theater, I think CK is probably not scum unless they know there's no vigilante in the game through safeclaims. I still think the way they switched to Vizh to try and milk more claims at EoD1 was bad, but I just can't see a world where scum fakeclaims vig like that.
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it was charlie asking vig to claim btw
 
thoughts on bluedoom:
i like 1420. the logic is logicing and the progression makes sense
i have the read of bluedooms posts and they seem rly tunnely to me, but i dont think exactly horrible? he seems to rly want to vote in the inactive slots (see 1580 or his reads in general) which is an acceptable perspective ig. with that being said i found it interesting he isn't including dbd in that group- his reasoning is that dbd claimed blocked (1580) which. im not a mechanical solver so i have bias here. but i dont think thats exactly sufficient

overall i think he comes off very mixed to me. i dont think hes my top vote but i wouldnt defend him either
 
sunny004 said:
there seems to be a distinct difference between disengaged players like DBD and pulsar (who I am not giving a free pass, just distinguishing) and BD in my mind.
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i agree with this statement
sunny004 said:
The other person that I could see BD being aligned with is DBD. He seems to be doing a pretty classic scum breadcrumbing vote strategy there. He always finds that DBD's position is not great but conveniently always finds a better option to vote due to DBD's "lack of info" (more on this later)
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i also observed this (and the tunnel part but i considered that more nai than scumleaning tbh)

i found his pulsar vote and i dont think its too bad? maybe its bc he just posted 1840 which aligns w/ what he said in there lol

i dont think sunny's post has made me want to vote bluedoom more than i already do
 
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