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Twilight_Vaizard

This is my new uber team I made. I hope it works well.

Kyogre**Konan@choice specs
Modest
252 sp attack, 200 sp def, 52 HP, 6 speed
Water Spout
Thunder
Ice Beam
Surf

In uber battles, choice scarfed Kyogres are so common nowadays as a lead. Usually, the main option is to switch to a Blissey. However, few will expect a choice specs Kyogre that will successfully 2HKO a max sp def Blissey or Lugia. It doesn't work so well against a Giratina switch in, but at least I would have done some scouting to find the opponent's main wall. I don't really need speed on this set because Kyogre's max speed is not enough to outspeed many great uber sweepers.

Giratina@leftovers
impish
252 HP, 240 def, 12 sp def, 6 attack
Dragon Claw
Rest
Sleep Talk
WoW

Standard ReStalking Giratina wall. Ultimate wall right here, willing to switch into a physical or special attack. WoW for crippling, Dragon Claw for STAB.

Deoxys-A**Ulquiorra@choice specs/life orb
Timid/modest
252 sp attack, 252 speed, 6 HP
Ice Beam
Focus Blast
Thunder
Shadow Ball

Special sweeper that kills all. Focus blast over superpower so that I don't get my stats brought down. I'm thinking of making it modest because it outspeeds any uber while modest, but it can outspeed scarfed Kyogre while timid, so I'll need your take on that matter.

Darkrai@life orb
timid
252 sp attack, 252 speed, 6 HP
Dark Void
Dark Pulse
Spatial Rend
Thunder/ice beam/calm mind?

Sleep inducer and special sweeper. Not much to comment on here. I may put calm mind so that it can become bulkier and more powerful.


Latios@soul dew
timid
252 speed, 252 sp attack, 6 HP
Draco Meteor
Thunder
Ice beam/shadow ball/???
Calm mind

Everyone fears Latios with soul dew. After one calm mind, it is the equivalent of a nasty plot and 2 sp def boosts. I really need help with move 3.


Arceus@iron plate
calm
252 sp def, 252 HP, 6 sp attack
Stealth Rock
Judgement
Cosmic Power
Recover

My special wall that can also set up with SR. Modeled after Lyfsaho's. Judgement for stab and awesome power.


Okay so rate please!
 
Giratina@leftovers
impish
252 HP, 240 def, 12 sp def, 6 attack
Dragon Claw
Rest
Sleep Talk /Roar
WoW

Standard ReStalking Giratina wall. Ultimate wall right here, willing to switch into a physical or special attack. WoW for crippling, Dragon Claw for STAB.

OK. I think Roar might be better than sleep talk since in sleep talking situation selecting wow is 33%. Roar might be better phazing away stat upper like BU Dialga.

Deoxys-A**Ulquiorra@choice specs/life orb
Timid/modest
252 sp attack, 252 speed, 6 HP
Psycho Boost /Ice Beam
Focus Blast / SuperPower!!
Thunder
Shadow Ball /Ice Beam

Special sweeper that kills all. Focus blast over superpower so that I don't get my stats brought down. I'm thinking of making it modest because it outspeeds any uber while modest, but it can outspeed scarfed Kyogre while timid, so I'll need your take on that matter.

Try to use Ice beam somewhere. Moreover, Life Orb set is better than Choice Spec set in general. With prediction, you can 2HKO or OHKO most of thing except Arceus and wrong move on choice make good bait for pursuit user like Metagross. Focus Sashing Counter/ Mirror Move Deoxys-A is also good.

Darkrai@life orb
timid
252 sp attack, 252 speed, 6 HP
Dark Void
Dark Pulse
Spatial Rend
Thunder/ice beam/calm mind?

Sleep inducer and special sweeper. Not much to comment on here. I may put calm mind so that it can become bulkier and more powerful.

Spacial Rend and Ice Beam is redundant. If you don't want CM for sweeping use Mixed Darkrai or Choice Scarf Darkrai. If you want CM boost sweeping, use standard Taunt or Sub set.


Latios@soul dew
timid
252 speed, 252 sp attack, 6 HP
Draco Meteor / Dragon Pulse
Thunder
Ice beam/shadow ball/??? /Recover!!
Calm mind

Everyone fears Latios with soul dew. After one calm mind, it is the equivalent of a nasty plot and 2 sp def boosts. I really need help with move 3.

You need recover to bring down Kyogre better since he is only counter for Kyogre. But only one counter for Kyogre is still dangerous.


Arceus@iron plate
calm
252 sp def, 252 HP, 6 sp attack
Stealth Rock
Judgement
Cosmic Power/ Reflect/ Light Screen/ Safeguard/ Shadow Ball/ Earth Power
Recover

My special wall that can also set up with SR. Modeled after Lyfsaho's. Judgement for stab and awesome power.

Since Arceus have absurd HP, it is slightly better to max out defense or balance the defenses and HP. Reflect/ Light Screen is usually better than Cosmic Power since it benefits your team much better . Moreover, you can use Safeguard for prevent status or Toxic to stall opposing team. Shadow Ball slaps Psychic Pokemon's face much harder than Registeel. Shadow Ball/ Stealth Rock/ Ice Beam/ Recover would be upgraded Registeel lol since he has higher defesne thanks to recover and much higher HP and have much more attacking prowess (75 to 120, 45 more S.Atk) Earth Power helps him to take down Heatran, Dialga, and Metagross.


Long time no see. Anyway i would rather use dragon pulse instead of draco meteor if you are going to use Latios for sweeping because i think using Draco Meteor on Latios make him more vulnerable to Metagross and it nullify the CM boost. I know CMed Draco Meteor is very very dangerous but still. Don't use Focus Blast on your Dexoys-A. Superpower is superior choice even if Focus Blast got the Choice Spec boost since miss is very dangerous for Deoxys-A. I would rather make your Darkrai as choice scarfer, mixed Darkai or sub Drakrai. I am not too much fan of using STAB Psycho Boost on your Deoxys-A but it will be sometimes handy to OHKO Palkia and also dent Fighting Arceus who are doesn't mind to block Deoxys-A. In your steel arceus, i would rather use ice beam instead of steel STAB Judgement. Steel has very poor coverage on Uber and Ice beam hits harder the most of uber more than STAB steel Judgement and it is also handy bring down Lati Twin, Rayquaza. I don't think Cosmic Power on Arceus will work but i really don't know about using cosmic power on arceus.
 
A psycho boost from a specsed Deoxys-A can hit ubers such as Palkia, Kyogre, Groudon, Rayquaza, and others very very hard.

And okay, I'll replace shadow ball with ice beam. I may have to see about superpower though. I'll test on shoddy to see which is better to use.

So on darkrai should I replace Spatial Rend with taunt?

After one calm mind, Latios basically gets two free Draco Meteors. That is excellent.
But yes, Recover, I should have thought of that.

The Arceus is a creation of Lyfsaho's. It actually works really well against Mew who I see a lot BPing nasty plots to Deoxys-A. However, I can see reflect and light screen working much better.

Thank you!
 
Twilight_Vaizard said:
A psycho boost from a specsed Deoxys-A can hit ubers such as Palkia, Kyogre, Groudon, Rayquaza, and others very very hard.

Ice beam hits Groudon, Rayqauza and other harder much better than normally. Thunder has enough power to take down Palkia and score super-effective on Kyogre.
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Just some minor edits for now. Deoxys-A needs Life Orb over Choice Specs. If it gets locked into Psycho Boost and Metagross comes in (or comes in on the Psycho Boost with it's 4x resist) you'll die a horrible death to pursuit. Darkrai wants Ice Beam to take of Groudon (as alot of your guys rely on Thunder) to win.

Latios wants recover in Slot 3 and Dragon Pulse over Draco Meteor. Dropping SpAtk is counter-intuitive if you want to boost it back up again. Also drop Thunder for Grass Knot. You can't always assume it's raining and Grass Knot still hurts Kyogre (as well as Groudon) and helps against Tyranitar.

Arceus is banned in Standard Uber play (but whatever, i'm guessing your playing Extended Game), so I can't really comment.
 
Twilight_Vaizard said:
This is my new uber team I made. I hope it works well.

Kyogre**Konan@choice specs
Modest
252 sp attack, 200 sp def, 52 HP, 6 speed
Water Spout
Thunder
Ice Beam
Surf

In uber battles, choice scarfed Kyogres are so common nowadays as a lead. Usually, the main option is to switch to a Blissey. However, few will expect a choice specs Kyogre that will successfully 2HKO a max sp def Blissey or Lugia. It doesn't work so well against a Giratina switch in, but at least I would have done some scouting to find the opponent's main wall. I don't really need speed on this set because Kyogre's max speed is not enough to outspeed many great uber sweepers.

Giratina@leftovers
impish
252 HP, 240 def, 12 sp def, 6 attack
Dragon Claw
Rest
Sleep Talk /Roar
WoW

Standard ReStalking Giratina wall. Ultimate wall right here, willing to switch into a physical or special attack. WoW for crippling, Dragon Claw for STAB.

Deoxys-A**Ulquiorra@choice specs/life orb
Timid/modest
252 sp attack, 252 speed, 6 HP
Psycho Boost
Focus Blast
Thunder
Shadow Ball

For this I highly discourage psycho boost. For the most part, battlers who see a deoxys-a will automatically go straight to metagross or tyranitar. Since you do run all special attacks, it's pretty bad for you to psycho boost in the first place. I'd add in either hp fire or ice beam over psycho boost.

Darkrai@life orb
timid
252 sp attack, 252 speed, 6 HP
Dark Void
Dark Pulse
Spatial Rend
Thunder/ice beam/calm mind?

I would go for calm mind. Ice beam is pretty pointless with spatial rend there, thunder is only good for kyogres, which are usually scarfed anyways, so you have only one choice left. Besides, with the cm moveset, you cover most ubers anyways.


Latios@soul dew
timid
252 speed, 252 sp attack, 6 HP
Draco Meteor
Thunder
Ice beam/shadow ball/???
Calm mind

Iirc, a calm mind is equivalent to 2.25x latios's raw stats (aka without soul dew). I'd rather go with recover here, seeing as latios's is much less threatening when it can't recover hp. Also, tone down the offensive ev spread a bit. You want this to switch in reasonably well into things like kyogre. I'd cut its sp atk evs down to at least 100 and distribute the leftovers to hp and sp def.


Arceus@iron plate
calm
252 sp def, 252 HP, 6 sp attack
Stealth Rock
Judgement
Cosmic Power
Recover

Ok, but do you really need cosmic power? I don't see how this arceus will move past things like blissey and such. Even calm minding ubers really have no reason to switch out against such a moveset. Imo toxic is better.


Okay so rate please!
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Only two things really pop in my mind atm: forretress can ruin this team and you need something for rayquaza. Arceus can't really do much back to it, so >.>
 
Sovereign, I agree with everything except the Latios comment.
All Latios's run 252, sp attack, 252 speed. It's just standard.

And I'd only run recover if I was using Latias, my Latios is all about offense.

As for forry, I bet he loves to switch into a choice specs Kyogre or a Deoxys-A.
 
slayer124 said:
slayer124 said:
I don't agree with your Latios comment. You should use Recover on somewhere on Latios because it is only counter of CM Kyogre on your team and also your team lacks reliable special wall so i will say put Recover on somewhere all out offense Latios do use Recover on somewhere. Forretress really will ruin your team and your team have potential to be 6-0ed by DD Rayquaza. Think about that fact. Anyway, Forretress won't love switch into a choice specs Kyogre or Deoxys-A and will just likely flee from them. If you want to use Arceus, consider your opponent will have Arceus too. I would rather use Choice Scarf Kyogre to OHKO dangerous Ghost Sword Dance Ghost Arceus. In that way, you will sort of have revenge killer which is important on Uber. Anyway Palkia, Mixed Dialga, DD Rayquaza, Deoxys-A (Steel Arceus eats SuperPower) are the poke you can quickly reply back their attack. If you decide to dump Arceus, you can use Metagross or Jirachi. Both will grant Ice and Dragon resistance like your Steel Arceus do but have different benefit on your team. Jirachi helps against Lugia, Latis, and Palkia (In Pinch don't too much rely on him), can pass wish support your team unless you will be inevitably damaged by spike and all sort of things due to your team's lacks of recovery, and can use Reflect or Light Screen to benefitting your team. Metagross would help against Rayquaza, Deoxys-A, and Latis. Darkai is one of pretty useless uber in uber metagame. (I think he is better than Manaphy but still..). If you still want to use Arceus try to make him Fighting Arceus and put Jirachi over Darkrai since Darkrai don't do much on your team. In this way, you can counter Latis, Dialga, Dakrai, TTar, DD Rayquaza, Lugia, Palkia in pinch and get wish support to heal your recovery lack team.
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I think that Giratina could maybe go for a few less Defense EVs and put em more into Special Defense because of WoW maybe? Or maybe a Special Defense boosting nature, since most common Ubers have a large Special Attack stat. Well, I see that Giratina is the main physical wall, but doesn't WoW do the job for you?
 
Edge Of Pain said:
I think that Giratina could maybe go for a few less Defense EVs and put em more into Special Defense because of WoW maybe? Or maybe a Special Defense boosting nature, since most common Ubers have a large Special Attack stat. Well, I see that Giratina is the main physical wall, but doesn't WoW do the job for you?
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True but this is smogon's main set, so it must be like this for a reason. I think it is so that it can survive an attack on the switch in and another attack before WoWing.
 
Well, having the offensive latios is good but the third moveslot seems redundant. I don't see what shadow ball or ice beam can do that thunder or draco meteor can't (were you thinking of mewtwo or deoxysl?). Also, by forretress coming in I was pointing fingers at arceus and giratina >.>

Edit: Actually if you insist on the offensive, I thought about surf for a while actually. Having this though means latios will rely heavily on rain though. But other than that, on rainy weather, it's like a stabbed attack. That or grass knot will work too. Both can dish ttar, and surf can dish metagrosses.
 
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