RMT: Mamo Pwnage

ARx1000

First Smogon RMT, LET'S GO!

First Look
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Game Plan
As the title suggests this team aims to eliminate Mamoswine's counters, leaving the beast to sweep. This team has met some success, however I feel it has alot of room to improve and I am looking for ways to do so.

The Team

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Bronzong @ Lum Berry
Ability: Levitate
252 HP / 152 Atk / 96 SpD / 8 Def
Relaxed (+ Def, - Spe)
- Stealth Rock
- Hypnosis
- Gyro Ball
- Explosion

It is the most popular lead on Shoddy for a reason. Allows me to get my rocks out early and with prediction allows me to get bigger threats asleep. This is MY primary Mamoswine and Deoxys counter and allows me to counter many other similar threats. Lum Berry to insure Rocks get setup and hypnosis.

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Milotic @ Leftovers
Ability: Marvel Scale
252 HP / 232 Def / 24 SpA
Calm (+ SpD, - Atk)
- Surf
- Toxic
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

I absolutely love this thing and I have no idea why it isn't used that frequently. Works as my status absorber and Mix Ape and Heatran counter and also helps with bulky waters and the pesky levitating Psychics that Mamoswine hates so much thanks to toxic. This team could never work without this guy, I mean girl. ;)

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Zapdos @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
252 HP / 220 Def / 36 Spe
Bold (+ Def, - Atk)
- Thunderbolt
- HP Ice
- Roar
- Roost

Great Def Tank, counters Gyara extremely well and also counters Heracross, Lucario, Salamence, Garchomp and friends to a certain extent. Also works as my phazer thanks to roar and also allows me to shuffle, scout and wear the opponent down thanks to rocks. Standard stuff.

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Magnezone @ Life Orb
Ability: Magnet Pull
252 Spe / 160 SpA / 96 Atk
Naive (+ Spe, - SpD)
- Thunderbolt
- HP Ice
- Magnet Rise
- Explosion

Main purpose is to eliminate steels which would otherwise put an end to a Mamoswine sweep. Also allows me to counter defensive Zapdos pretty well and gets an awesome suprise KO on Gliscor thanks to the speed Evs and the Naive nature. Explosion is also a great tool for taking out other odd defensive threat that gives me problems.

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Dragonite @ Life Orb / Yache Berry
Ability: Inner Focus
252 Spe / 252 Atk / 4 HP
Jolly (+ Spe, - SpA)
- Dragon Dance
- Outrage
- Earthquake
- Fir Punch

Provides an alternative way to sweep and can also function as a decoy to my true intention of a Mamoswine sweep. Thing is absolutely awesome but I would like to change it to a better suited Physical sweeper to counter Cress and Vaporeon.

I really like the idea of SD lucario, however this team is already Fire weak as it is and Lucario would not help this at all.

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Mamoswine @ Life Orb
Ability: Snow Cloak
252 Spe / 252 Atk / 4 HP
Jolly (+ Spe, - SpA)
- Earthquake
- Ice Shard
- Ice Fang
- Stone Edge

Here he is, the star of the show. A pure beast that many teams are franky not prepared to counter. Comes out late game a sweeps the weakened enemy's team, pretty self-explainatory. Jolly to outspeed those neutral base 90's like adamant Heracross.

There it is. Thanks!

Changes in Bold.

 
Ah yes, another Mamoswine based team. You gotta love them.

Stick with Explosion on Bronzong, because pretty much all Magnezones have Magnet Rise and are faster than Bronzongs so they'll get the Magnet Rise before you can Earthquake.

Hmmmm, I may not like the fact that you have two pokemon hindered by Stealth Rock. May I suggest replacing Milotic for Starmie, simply for Rapid Spin support and it pretty much counters the same pokemon as Milotic does. Surf, Thunderbolt, Rapid Spin, Recover, standard spread / set.

If your gonna use Mamoswine to produce a late game sweep, then Choice Band is NOT for you. I'd run Life Orb instead, because a late game sweeper should be free to use whatever moves you want without making your sweep end because you're locked on, say, Ice Shard and a Water Type faces you. Life Orb > Choice Band.

You can alternate between Salamence and Dragonite, simply for Intimidate and a better SD Cario counter. Not a huge difference, it's your choice. I also suggest using Deoxys-S as an alternative sweeper, as Magnezone already gets rid of Deoxys-S' counters. But again, your choice, as they all fill the spot nicely.

You do seem to have the threats coutnered nicely. Nice work.
 
Thanks man,
I will def run orb over band on Mamo, been thinking about it for a while and that just about decides it.

Salamence really seems like it would help with Luke and Hera and Starmie would def help keep rocks off my side, so I will have to test both.

Thanks for the rate greatly appreciated.
 
honestly, if you're using explosion on bronzong, which you prolly should, I'd switch his item to a lum berry, to help get down the rocks and hypnosis no matter what. but that's more of a minor nitpick than anything else.

I'd probably go jolly on mamo, to catch those neutral base 90's and adamant heracrosses, as you won't really feel the power drop, but outspeeding key pokemon is, well, key. another nitpick.

as far as what stalefish said, you could keep starmie OR deoxys-s, but both together seem bad imo. milotic and dragonite are basically your only ways to break stall, by use of toxic or just setting up and dealing massive damage. replace both and get ready to get nowhere. if you do decide to go with deoxys, I"d just go with the analysis steel killer set for magnezone, as you can often kill steels and still be immune to ground attacks and still have a sub up when the next guy comes in, allowing you to get another possible ko or at least cripple a guy. it also allows you to beat bronzong on the rare occasion that milotic didn't get to absorb the sleep, which also helps for mamoswine to sweep more easily.
 
Stathakis said:
honestly, if you're using explosion on bronzong, which you prolly should, I'd switch his item to a lum berry, to help get down the rocks and hypnosis no matter what. but that's more of a minor nitpick than anything else.

I'd probably go jolly on mamo, to catch those neutral base 90's and adamant heracrosses, as you won't really feel the power drop, but outspeeding key pokemon is, well, key. another nitpick.

as far as what stalefish said, you could keep starmie OR deoxys-s, but both together seem bad imo. milotic and dragonite are basically your only ways to break stall, by use of toxic or just setting up and dealing massive damage. replace both and get ready to get nowhere. if you do decide to go with deoxys, I"d just go with the analysis steel killer set for magnezone, as you can often kill steels and still be immune to ground attacks and still have a sub up when the next guy comes in, allowing you to get another possible ko or at least cripple a guy. it also allows you to beat bronzong on the rare occasion that milotic didn't get to absorb the sleep, which also helps for mamoswine to sweep more easily.
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Yeah he has a point. But Starmie, in my opinion, is recommended. Because you don't want Stealth Rock possibly ruin your Dragonite or Salamence sweep. Don't even use Deoxys-S because... well Stathakis already explained that part, on how it won't break stall teams effectively.

He's also right about Lum Berry Zong, again for reasons already explained.

Well... yeah.
 
Thanks guys
Definetly going for Lum on Bronzong, and I see why Starmie would help keep rocks off my side of the field but I also love the bulkiness and status absorbing power of miltoic, and of course Toxic (Only method of stalling/counter stalling on this team). And therefore I'll have to test Starmie.

I have never been a fan of Deoxys and never will.

Jolly on Mamo seems to make good sense so there's a good improvement, thanks.

DD Mence vs. Dragonite really has been a toss up but I like how Mence allows me to counter Hera and Luke better thanks to intimidate and I may end up going with Mence over Nite, not sure yet.
 
Chimecho said:
I don't think you need Zapdos and Magnezone at the same time.
And Milotic needs Ice Beam.
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Why is that?

It's a pretty solid team, but it's somewhat weak to special attackers in general.
A Starmie can cause some serious problems, as Zapdos takes 25% everytime it switches in due Stealth Rock, and a 269 Ice Beam doing 170-202 damage, which is a 2HKO.
Azelf can cause some problems too.

You are aware that Adamant LO-Dos will do minimun 374 damage on Zapdos with Stone Edge? That's a really unreliable way to counter Gyarados, so I advise you to put HP Electric on Milotic. I also think you would benefit more by having Zapdos Calm and a little more SpD-oriented, for obvious reasons. :)
 
Since you want to set up Mamo for the late-game sweep, I think that some para support would be helpful for the not-so-speedy mammoth. I'd drop roar on Zapdos for T-Wave. Milotic is pretty beastly, I'd keep that the way it is with Bold over Modest though. Sub over explosion on Magnezone. If you trap a Zong (very common), you can magnet rise blocking the EQ, then sub up, then it will have a very hard time breaking your sub. Other then that this team looks very good Woj.
 
The lack of a Scarf pokemon scares me a little bit, considering a DDGyarados (many of them carry Life Orb) can pretty much sweep this entire team unless you Expload with Bronzong/Magnezone (without them getting killed of course...) which seems like a very ubreliable way to counter that annoying fish. Something like scrarfGar might be good over Zapdos or Dragonite. I'll also help with your Deoxys-s weakness, and some great over all coverage. If you put it over Zapdos you could try a defenseive Dragonite (preferable Salamence) set with yache or Leftovers.

Milotic should definitely be Bold or even Calm to help with those special attackers and withstand unstabbed Tbolts much better. Modest really just isn't needed for a Wall.

I agree with Lum berry on Bronzong, just be weary that you have a Deoxys weakness once its exploaded/killed due to lack of leftover recovery.

Awesome team! Mamo + Zone teams I have found to be pretty dificult to make due to the screaming Fire/Fighing weakness.
 
Wow thanks for all the comments guys.

This team has been doing very well lately and I would like to keep improving it.

Milotic has been changed to Bold since I was running both Surf and Ice beam on it before and I needed the SpA boost to kill Dragons, but now that it is tanking/status absorbing and doing the stalling for this team it no longer needs it, good call.

I am deeply in love with that Magnezone set since it has saved my ass so many times its not funny and I will never change it sorry.

I'm not sure why everyone is so paranoid about Deoxys-S when I have Zong who can OHKO with Gyro Ball and Mamo can easily take it down late game with Ice Shard when it has been worn down. Like I have faced many Deoxys-S's with this team ad I had no problem at all taking it down.

Also, Azelf would seem to be a problem for this team but Milotic can really handle it very nicely considering she only takes 39.09% - 45.94% from a max SpA Naive Azelf's Tbolt, which most don't carry anyways and I can deal out an easy 2 hit KO myself so it really doesn't worry me too much.

Finally, Gyarados is really worn down by Rocks since it has no recovery besides lefties. Zapdos does a decent job of countering the Life orb sweepers while Bulky versions get obliterated by Magnezone. I have beaten may of them with prediction and I honestly don't fear them that much.

But yeah thanks for all the rates guys, greatly appreciated.
 
Rag said:
You are aware that Adamant LO-Dos will do minimun 374 damage on Zapdos with Stone Edge? That's a really unreliable way to counter Gyarados, so I advise you to put HP Electric on Milotic. I also think you would benefit more by having Zapdos Calm and a little more SpD-oriented, for obvious reasons. :)
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Woj said:
Finally, Gyarados is really worn down by Rocks since it has no recovery besides lefties. Zapdos does a decent job of countering the Life orb sweepers while Bulky versions get obliterated by Magnezone. I have beaten may of them with prediction and I honestly don't fear them that much.
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Gyarados obviously is a threat when only Milotic is able to survive a boosted hit. Zapdos is not capable of taking a Stone Edge. Also, seeing how you don't run a Taunt-lead, your opponent is also most likely having his Rocks on the field, meaning you have to rely on Stone Edge missing to counter Gyarados.
Again, HP Electric on Milotic will solve the problem. Even through you might not had this problem yet, it's obvious that it's there.
 
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