mind + locopoke [An Uber RMT]

[locopoke]

They say that two heads are better than one, and this team proves it. As you all may know, me and mind play ubers regularly and are always coming up with new ideas. A few weeks ago, we decided to make a team together, and this is what we came up with.


Team at a Glance

In Depth

Deoxys-e @ Focus Sash
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 Atk/6 Def/252 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Stealth Rock
- Spikes
- Taunt
- Superpower

This is the very standard Deoxys-e set-up lead, but it works well with this team. It's common knowledge that Stealth Rock and Spikes can greatly aid an offensive team and help certain Pokemon sweep without a problem, and that's exactly why we chose Deoxys-e as our lead. Other than what I just mentioned, this Pokemon is pretty self explanitory. As long as we win the speed tie against an opposing Deoxys-e, the plan goes without a problem. Of course things such as Scarfed Darkrai can cause trouble, but then I'd normally switch to Palkia or Blissey to intercept Trick/Dark Void.

Rayquaza @ Life Orb
Ability: Air Lock
EVs: 6 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Swords Dance
- Extremespeed
- Dragon Claw
- Overheat

This is most definetely my favorite sweeper in all of competitive Pokemon. SD Rayquaza is simply a beast and with Spikes + Stealth Rock set up, he can sweep with just +2 Attack. This time, mind and I decided to use Overheat > Earthquake for a way to OHKO Forretress, as they tend to get in the way of Rayquaza often. The downside to that is now we really don't have a way to hit Dialgla, but Dragon Claw normally does a good amount of damage.

Kyogre @ Choice Band
Ability: Drizzle
EVs: 80 HP/252 Atk/176 SDef
Brave nature (+Atk, -Spd)
- Waterfall
- Earthquake
- Avalanche
- Thunder

The real secret to this team is Kyogre. Not just any Kyogre though, we've decided to use CB Kyogre, one of the movesets you rarely see being used. Originally we were using Scarfed Kyogre, but we noticed that there were too many Special Attackers on the team and we often had trouble dealing with Blissey. But CB Kyogre was the answer to our problems, and it works wonders. I used the standard EV Spread and moveset. The EVs provided ensure that we can be able to take a hit or two, and Brave nature allows us to maintain good Attack as well as Special Attack, so we can use Thunder properly. With Stealth Rock (Spikes isn't nessecary), Kyogre can OHKO Blissey with Waterfall, which is the goal of using Kyogre on this team.

Palkia @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 6 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Spacial Rend
- Surf
- Thunder
- Draco Meteor

Scarfed Palkia is, in my opinion, the best revenge killer in Ubers. It helps to kill off powerful sweepers like SD Rayquaza and opposing Palkia's. With Rain provided by Kyogre, Surf is extremely powerful and helps to take out Groudon (assuming Rain is still in affect). The only problem is that without Aqua Tail, Blissey completely walls this set, and so does Wobbuffet.

Lugia @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP/80 Def/176 Spd
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Ice Beam
- Roost
- Thunder Wave

This Lugia was mind's idea. If I remember correctly, this set helped him win the last Ubers Tour of this season. It really does work well. Thunder Wave and Calm Mind, along with Pressure as an ability can help Lugia set up instantly and begin to wall my opponent. Lugia also serves as the Pokemon used to counter Rayquaza and Groudon perfectly.

Blissey (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 80 HP/252 Def/176 SDef
Calm nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Wish
- Protect
- Seismic Toss
- Toxic

Blissey works just as well in Ubers as she does in OU, and makes a perfect 6th Pokemon for this team. Blissey is this team's solution to special attackers and does a nice job weakening my opponent's team with toxic. I feel that Seismic Toss works better in Ubers than Flamethrower or Ice Beam, and the rest of the moveset is self explanitory.







thanks for reading, feel free to comment and give advice

 

[ultimifier]

one thing i dont understand is how you say you use kyogre so it can OHKO blissey with waterfall, but there is barely anyone on your team to take advantage of a dead blissey. i suppose maybe that is what lugia is for, but lugia needs more than just a dead blissey to sweep.

a set that ive grown fond to is modest latios with sub and three attacks. i use draco meteor, surf, and hp fire as it pretty much kills anything not named blissey. i dont know where youd put it in, but try it, as kyogre can lure in and kill special walls and latios can start to create problems.

 

[Jibaku]

Hiya loco.

Why? Why is this a typical offensive team with a slight twist? Why must you return to the past?

Anyways now that I'm done with that, I want to point out a few problems with your team

Bulk Up Dialga: This one is easily the biggest. What do you have against it? Suppose it gets a free switch in after a kill or something (like Kyogre locked on to anything but Earthquake). Now you can expect it to be a special attacker and swap to Bliss, but Dialga gets one free Bulk Up. Then what?

Lugia is doing lol to Dialga with Ice Beam and needs a lot of CMs before it deals serious damage. By that time Dialga has outpaced Lugia in boosting and starts to decimate everything with Outrage (or even Dragon Claw).

Palkia is your best hope of denting it with Draco Meteor, but it'll still lose and Dialga could actually set up on Palkia.

What on earth is Rayquaza going to do?

This is by far the team's biggest threat. It can easily swipe your team to pieces.

Next up is CB Tyranitar. CB Crunch 2HKOes everything in your team. It gets a safe switch in on Lugia, and in certain cases, Palkia (not Surf). CB Stone Edge can also deal a pretty devastating amount of damage.

I'd like to mention stall teams here. While yes, you can get away sometimes by CB Waterfalling their Blissey (usually won't happen. They notice Fall does an unusually large amount to Latias and that's their cue on sending in Giratina). Giratina will make your life very tough; your best hope is to stall it out with Lugia if you don't want it killing anything. You can't swap Palkia in because it can CM on the switch and continue setting up on it, laughing at Spacial Rends/Draco Meteors along the way. Rayquaza's DClaw does like 60% max so good luck killing it without proper prediction and perhaps some luck. Other than that, Forry can easily abuse Lugia and set up Spikes/TS, making your team pretty miserable. Since stall teams probably have a Lugia, it'll stop your only sweeper.

There are other minor problems with your team. These are Giratina-O, Rock Polish Groudon and Lucario. You just have to make sure that you can perfectly time their actions or they'll kill something. For instance, if Gira-O CMs on the Lugia switch, bye bye Lugia. If it Subs/Pulses on a Rayquaza switch (if you predict it using CM to get Lugia), then Rayquaza dies. Lucario can set up on Blissey kinda, and your best hope is Palkia (who hates ES). Lugia isn't going to do much against Lucario. It'll give him more Swords Dances and then you'll rely on parahax to beat it. RP Don takes advantage of Palkia/Kyogre's Thunder and can cause chaos. If your initial response is to send in Lugia, then you'll face Stone Edge after Polish (I don't think you'd be able to stall it out with Roost). You can try sending in Kyogre when it RPs. As I said, though, you have to predict perfectly.

Now coming up with a solution is pretty tough, so if you can PM me on Shoddy (I'm on right now) we might work something out. Groudon solves TTar/Dialga/Lucario issues, for instance, but I'm having a hard time finding out where Groudon can fit in.

Hope you do well with your team!

 

[MegaKick]

Hooray! I'm not the only one to use choice band kyogre!
Anyway, this is a good team, but what do you do about scarfdarkrie leads? Blissey is the only one on your team that can really absorb sleep, and it has to switch out afterward, which means if they predict the switch and keep dark voiding, you lose a member of you team... just a small question, overall, great team

 

[locopoke]

Hiya loco.

Why? Why is this a typical offensive team with a slight twist? Why must you return to the past?

Anyways now that I'm done with that, I want to point out a few problems with your team

Bulk Up Dialga: This one is easily the biggest. What do you have against it? Suppose it gets a free switch in after a kill or something (like Kyogre locked on to anything but Earthquake). Now you can expect it to be a special attacker and swap to Bliss, but Dialga gets one free Bulk Up. Then what?

Lugia is doing lol to Dialga with Ice Beam and needs a lot of CMs before it deals serious damage. By that time Dialga has outpaced Lugia in boosting and starts to decimate everything with Outrage (or even Dragon Claw).

Palkia is your best hope of denting it with Draco Meteor, but it'll still lose and Dialga could actually set up on Palkia.

What on earth is Rayquaza going to do?

This is by far the team's biggest threat. It can easily swipe your team to pieces.

Next up is CB Tyranitar. CB Crunch 2HKOes everything in your team. It gets a safe switch in on Lugia, and in certain cases, Palkia (not Surf). CB Stone Edge can also deal a pretty devastating amount of damage.

I'd like to mention stall teams here. While yes, you can get away sometimes by CB Waterfalling their Blissey (usually won't happen. They notice Fall does an unusually large amount to Latias and that's their cue on sending in Giratina). Giratina will make your life very tough; your best hope is to stall it out with Lugia if you don't want it killing anything. You can't swap Palkia in because it can CM on the switch and continue setting up on it, laughing at Spacial Rends/Draco Meteors along the way. Rayquaza's DClaw does like 60% max so good luck killing it without proper prediction and perhaps some luck. Other than that, Forry can easily abuse Lugia and set up Spikes/TS, making your team pretty miserable. Since stall teams probably have a Lugia, it'll stop your only sweeper.

There are other minor problems with your team. These are Giratina-O, Rock Polish Groudon and Lucario. You just have to make sure that you can perfectly time their actions or they'll kill something. For instance, if Gira-O CMs on the Lugia switch, bye bye Lugia. If it Subs/Pulses on a Rayquaza switch (if you predict it using CM to get Lugia), then Rayquaza dies. Lucario can set up on Blissey kinda, and your best hope is Palkia (who hates ES). Lugia isn't going to do much against Lucario. It'll give him more Swords Dances and then you'll rely on parahax to beat it. RP Don takes advantage of Palkia/Kyogre's Thunder and can cause chaos. If your initial response is to send in Lugia, then you'll face Stone Edge after Polish (I don't think you'd be able to stall it out with Roost). You can try sending in Kyogre when it RPs. As I said, though, you have to predict perfectly.

Now coming up with a solution is pretty tough, so if you can PM me on Shoddy (I'm on right now) we might work something out. Groudon solves TTar/Dialga/Lucario issues, for instance, but I'm having a hard time finding out where Groudon can fit in.

Hope you do well with your team!

Yeah, I really didn't realize the huge weakness to Bulk Up Dialga until now, and if I face one with this team, I'm sure to lose. Like you mentioned, Groudon solves a lot of this teams issues. I would be willing to take out Rayquaza for Groudon to help with that, but then I'd have the same problem with Giratina.

 

[Darkmalice]

Groudon solves TTar/Dialga/Lucario issues, for instance, but I'm having a hard time finding out where Groudon can fit in.

Hope you do well with your team!

Groudon could replace Lugia. I made a Team with Mind, and we used that Lugia too. Though it seems more like a luxury then a crucial member of the team, apart from walling Groudon and Raquaza of course. Though I will suggest changes to maintain the ability to deal with those two as well.

First off, use this Groudon:
Item: Leftovers
Nature: Adamant
Thunderwave
Roar
Earthquake
Dragon Claw
252 HP / 136 Atk / 96 Def / 24 SDef

It makes a solid Bulk-Dialga counter. STAB Earthquake, and Roar will remove Bulk Up boosts should it have too many. This is more Defensively bulky than the standard Supporting Groudon, so it'll survive Adamant Rayquaza's DD boosted Outraged 2.56% of the time with Stealth Rock in play. Thunderwave is for team support - Blissey already has Toxic, and Deoxys-S already has Stealth Rock. Dragon Claw is for a 2HKO on Rayquaza and Giratina-O. (Note, it's a 76.66% chance on a 144/0 Giratina-A). 136 Atk is also just enough for a bonus point. Groudon isn't a perfect counter for these pokemon, but Palkia can always revenge kill. Just make sure that you replace Draco Meteor will Fire Blast when using Groudon.

Groudon is harder to deal with, but Kyogre can have 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SDef, so it can take physical hits much better. It only loses a bit of special durability thanks to the big 40 difference between base HP and SDef.

You should replace Blissey with Wish Passer Latias. The movepool is the same except Dragon Pulse > Siemsic Toss and Recover > Protect so she can switch in on SpecsOgre. The main reason for using Latias is to reduce the chance of Giratina-O coming in and setting up a free Substitute.