Ou Team

Drewberry09

Still quite new to this but i'm improving hopefully lol.

Any help appreciated


And now for the team.

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Tyranitar @ Focus Sash
Ability: Sand Stream
Nature: Careful
EVs: 240 HP, 36 Atk, 48 Def, 184 SpDef
~ Taunt
~ Fire Punch
~ Stone Edge
~ Stealth Rock

My lead to the team i needed something bulky and what can back up my team against my fire weakness and take down annoying metagross leads this is just a great lead and a valuble member of my team plus sandstorm helps tyranitar survive =].

How it helps the team: This is my set up pokemon and starts everything off for the team with stealth rock and backs up my team by taking down most leads as i had a problem against a Metagross lead.

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Zapdos @ choice Scarf

Ability: Pressure
Nature: Modest
EVs: 6 HP, 252 Spe, 252 SpA
~ Thunderbolt
~ Heat Wave
~ Roost
~ U-Turn

This is my main answer to major threats in the games as well as my sweeper many people go with timid or bold but i use porygon 2 for salamance so thats not a problem lucario is mixed i get away with it most the time but my flygon can help that so it's weakness is covered just a fantastic pokemon.

How it helps the team: This is my main sweeper and can be an answer to major threats in the game with only 2 super effective types that can hit it this guy can stay around a long time too with roost only helping it's cause just a useful pokemon to any team.


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Porygon 2 @ Leftovers
Ability: Bold
Nature: Trace
EVs: 6 Attack, 252 HP, 216 SpDef, 40 SpA
~ Ice Beam
~ Thunderbolt
~ Recover
~ Thunderwave

My bulky pokemon/wall my anwser to garydos and salamance as suggested. With it's good defences it is quite a wall as well being able to take huge hits of salamance and survive is a testament to it in itself.


How it helps the team: Well it's a duck so that's all you need to know lol but this guy can take major hits off salamance and then kill it which helps my zapdos as it can struggle for speed sometimes so this is my back up also can take down garydos which can prove a problem.


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Scizor @ Choice Band
Ability: Technician
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 Attack, 252 Speed, 6 HP
~ Pursuit
~ Bullet Punch
~ Superpower
~ U-Turn


Another physical sweeper and also a scouter people get scared of this and try to kill it as soon as making them switch this is when i u-turn out and see what they have bullet punch is amazing and put finishing touches to teams when i'm late game works well with lucarios extremespeed like brothers and helps me take down tyranitar.

How it helps the team: This pokemon is just awesome can destroy teams on it's own this lures out other pokemon which i can take out making it safe for my Scizor come in to have fun makes my 2nd physical pokemon and a greta addition to my team.

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Gengar @ Choice Specs
Ability: Levitate
Nature: Timid
EVs: 252 Speed, 252 Sp.Attack, 6 Def
~ Hypnosis
~ Shadow Ball
~ Thunderbolt
~ Focus Blast

The revenge killer to take out major threats in the game this was to replace frosslass as it was much too fragile and abit slower than i need so i changed it for the boss ghost. =]

How it helps the team: My revenge killer does what it says in it's title gets me back in the game if something falls my main answer to tyranitar with focus blast can take down other ghosts too put to sleep pokemon trying to sweep my team then switch thunderbolt filler but useful as coverage.

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Lucario @ Life Orb
Ability: Inner focus
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 4 Def, 252 Atk, 252 Spe
~ Swords Dance
~ Close Combat
~ ExtremeSpeed
~ Ice Punch

Physical sweeper originally my Flygon but it wasn't hitting hard enough so i have chosen Lucario to also help with my ice weakness that tore through my team damn ice shard but not a problem no more thanks to this beauty =]

How it helps my team: It's moves have great coverage just a strong pokemon really i was lacking a physical attacker and this pokemon just seemed right backs up my togekiss and zapdos helpful against Ice types that i struggled against before and an all round good pokemon.

My team seems weavile weak anyone got a suggestion to cover myself against ice any help appreciated and thankyou.
 
1 thing a blissy with ice beam will really hurt u as your physical attacker flygon can't hurt it too much try switching it to a salamence with eq,Fire blast,draco etor,and brick break/
 
fitzy72 said:
1 thing a blissy with ice beam will really hurt u as your physical attacker flygon can't hurt it too much try switching it to a salamence with eq,Fire blast,draco etor,and brick break/
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Please type with proper spelling, grammar and punctuation.
And ALSO, BLISSEY?! HURT A FLYGON?
Don't have the time to check it out now, but...
I think Flygon can prolly survive a hit.

And hell yes Flygon can kill Bliss. Stone Edge, anyone?
 
Blissey while annoying flygon can take it down ice wise blissey is the least of flygons problems i'm not too worried about that. So is this team looking good then could do with some help.
 
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killahlaxer743 said:
ok im going to let you in on a little secret, so im topped rank in my school trust me on this one, you need a charizard hit it with a leichi berry and sword dance substitute and omg the power is amazing!
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Ignore this guy. Unfortunately, I'm rather inexperienced, so my only advice is to ignore his advice.
 
change luke to adamant and give him stone edge over ice punch, most gliscor opt for jolly nowadays to make sure lucario doesnt outspeed them so ice punch wont be doing much when lucario is dead
 
For your Uxie lead, you might want to try out this custom set:

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Uxie @ Choice Scarf
Nature: Impish
EV's: 252 HP / 104 Def / 152 Spe
- Trick
- Stealth Rock
- Imprison
- Psychic / U-turn

152 speed EV's give you a speed of 396 with choice scarf, which allows you to out speed the majority of leads. Trick slower leads like Tyranitar to make them utterly useless. Imprison makes leads unable to use stealth rock and u-turn and trick. CS leads predict a normal uxie so they usually trick which is completely pointless, allowing you to set up SR. Psychic kills Infernape and hurts Heracross a bit (change the nature to bold if you use this). However U-turn is good for scouting.

It's very effective, and it plays like a jirachi lead, but with the very useful Imprison. :3


Also, you have an uncovered fire and electric weakness, maybe put something like swampert in and replace togekiss? Your ground immunities seem a bit like overkill imo.
 
zero_gundam said:
change luke to adamant and give him stone edge over ice punch, most gliscor opt for jolly nowadays to make sure lucario doesnt outspeed them so ice punch wont be doing much when lucario is dead
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But you saying that i don't know what adamant would do to change that by your reasoning it would still die off gliscor so how would adamant change that ? Also though it might be jolly they tend not to invest full ev's into gliscor so my lucario could still take it out.
 
ShadowX said:
For your Uxie lead, you might want to try out this custom set:

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Uxie @ Choice Scarf
Nature: Impish
EV's: 252 HP / 104 Def / 152 Spe
- Trick
- Stealth Rock
- Imprison
- Psychic / U-turn

152 speed EV's give you a speed of 396 with choice scarf, which allows you to out speed the majority of leads. Trick slower leads like Tyranitar to make them utterly useless. Imprison makes leads unable to use stealth rock and u-turn and trick. CS leads predict a normal uxie so they usually trick which is completely pointless, allowing you to set up SR. Psychic kills Infernape and hurts Heracross a bit (change the nature to bold if you use this). However U-turn is good for scouting.

It's very effective, and it plays like a jirachi lead, but with the very useful Imprison. :3


Also, you have an uncovered fire and electric weakness, maybe put something like swampert in and replace togekiss? Your ground immunities seem a bit like overkill imo.
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a choice scarf on my lead would be utterly pointless what am i meant to do after stealth rock ? And i don't see your reasoning on electric and fire weakness when only 2 of my pokemon are hit with super effective togekiss electric and lucario fire so i don't feel i'm too open. But i love the imprison idea forgot about that move
 
Drewberry09 said:
a choice scarf on my lead would be utterly pointless what am i meant to do after stealth rock ? And i don't see your reasoning on electric and fire weakness when only 2 of my pokemon are hit with super effective togekiss electric and lucario fire so i don't feel i'm too open. But i love the imprison idea forgot about that move
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the point is to trick the CS onto thier lead so you can then set up SR and attack.
 
A few suggestions for your team:

First, Togekiss's Flamethrower doesn't seem necessary. Fire only hits Bug, Grass, Ice, and Steel for super-effective. Air Slash and Aura Sphere together already hit them for super-effective without Flamethrower. The main Pokemon that Flamethrower hits harder are Scizor and Skarmory, but Zapdos already does a good job against them anyways, so I suggest changing Togekiss to the Flinch Togekiss set.

Togekiss @ Leftovers
Calm nature
252 HP / 6 Def / 252 SpD
~ Body Slam / Thunder Wave
~ Air Slash
~ Roost
~ Aura Sphere

Despite its seemingly total-defense approach, this set is actually more like bulky offense. It abuses paraflinching and Serene Grace to make your opponent tear out their hair in frustration, since between Paralysis and Flinch they only have a 30% chance to attack.

On SpecsGar, Hypnosis is pointless since you have to switch out immediately after and it has horrible accuracy. Gengar also turns into Pursuit bait if it's locked into Shadow Ball or something when T-tar/Scizor switches in. As such, I suggest that you replace Hypnosis with Trick to cripple common switchins like Blissey and Tyranitar.

Lastly, I see a slight Latias weak, especially if the rather frail Gengar gets taken down early in the game by the aforementioned Pursuiters. Your whole team is outsped by it aside from Gengar, and nothing on your team really hurts it. To slightly help it, I suggest replacing Lucario with a standard CB Scizor to deal with Latias.

Scizor @ Choice Band
Adamant nature
248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 Spe
~ U-turn
~ Bullet Punch
~ Superpower
~ Pursuit

This set OHKOs Latias with U-turn if it stays in and does heavy damage with Pursuit if it runs. Against the Latias that pack HP Fire, your Gengar will outspeed and do lots of damage with Shadow Ball.
 
dachickens said:
A few suggestions for your team:

First, Togekiss's Flamethrower doesn't seem necessary. Fire only hits Bug, Grass, Ice, and Steel for super-effective. Air Slash and Aura Sphere together already hit them for super-effective without Flamethrower. The main Pokemon that Flamethrower hits harder are Scizor and Skarmory, but Zapdos already does a good job against them anyways, so I suggest changing Togekiss to the Flinch Togekiss set.

Togekiss @ Leftovers
Calm nature
252 HP / 6 Def / 252 SpD
~ Body Slam / Thunder Wave
~ Air Slash
~ Roost
~ Aura Sphere

Despite its seemingly total-defense approach, this set is actually more like bulky offense. It abuses paraflinching and Serene Grace to make your opponent tear out their hair in frustration, since between Paralysis and Flinch they only have a 30% chance to attack.

On SpecsGar, Hypnosis is pointless since you have to switch out immediately after and it has horrible accuracy. Gengar also turns into Pursuit bait if it's locked into Shadow Ball or something when T-tar/Scizor switches in. As such, I suggest that you replace Hypnosis with Trick to cripple common switchins like Blissey and Tyranitar.

Lastly, I see a slight Latias weak, especially if the rather frail Gengar gets taken down early in the game by the aforementioned Pursuiters. Your whole team is outsped by it aside from Gengar, and nothing on your team really hurts it. To slightly help it, I suggest replacing Lucario with a standard CB Scizor to deal with Latias.

Scizor @ Choice Band
Adamant nature
248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 Spe
~ U-turn
~ Bullet Punch
~ Superpower
~ Pursuit

This set OHKOs Latias with U-turn if it stays in and does heavy damage with Pursuit if it runs. Against the Latias that pack HP Fire, your Gengar will outspeed and do lots of damage with Shadow Ball.
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I agree with the Gengar thing and could do with changing that.

I don't agree with the togekiss you suggest that would loose one of my best sweepers and and can still do the paraflinch set with modest just hits harder porygon 2 is my bulky pokemon and it nearly always flinches in testing so it's fine as it is. As i don't like the ev's but thankyou.


and i'm not sure about swaping lucario for Scizor it would make my team even slower and while no doubt a great pokemon i just feel it doesn't suit my team and it's scary how rare i run into latias but i could test it i just don't see the point for a slight weakness anyone else agree with that change ?

Thankyou for the suggestions though.
 
what I meant about switching luke to adamant before was that more often then not gliscor would still outspeed him so you might as well hit other pokemon harder instead of trying to outspeed one of lucarios counters when porygon2 could take him on instead. I hope I clarified what I was trying to say before
 
You have a serious LO DDTtar weakness. It comes in on a Gengar Shadow Ball, DD's on the switch, and then OHKOs and outspeeds every member on your team with SE/Crunch given that they have SR up (Luke is taken out 100% of the time with either fire punch or aqua tail after a DD).

Without changing any members on your team, you could change gengar into a scarf-variant, and replace hypnosis with trick. Then Focus Blast takes care of Ttar. If it misses, though, then you have the same problem.

Standard Tyranitar counter/revenge killer is Scizor, as it doesn't care about speed boosts with Bullet Punch, and can OHKO after an LO hit and SR 100% of the time. I recommend taking out either Zapdos or Togekiss for Scizor, as they both contribute to your rock weakness, as well as your specially offensive flaw. (You have 2 pokes that can attack physically, counting uxie, so a special wall would give you huge trouble after luke disappeared)
 
StrayHobo said:
You have a serious LO DDTtar weakness. It comes in on a Gengar Shadow Ball, DD's on the switch, and then OHKOs and outspeeds every member on your team with SE/Crunch given that they have SR up (Luke is taken out 100% of the time with either fire punch or aqua tail after a DD).

Without changing any members on your team, you could change gengar into a scarf-variant, and replace hypnosis with trick. Then Focus Blast takes care of Ttar. If it misses, though, then you have the same problem.

Standard Tyranitar counter/revenge killer is Scizor, as it doesn't care about speed boosts with Bullet Punch, and can OHKO after an LO hit and SR 100% of the time. I recommend taking out either Zapdos or Togekiss for Scizor, as they both contribute to your rock weakness, as well as your specially offensive flaw. (You have 2 pokes that can attack physically, counting uxie, so a special wall would give you huge trouble after luke disappeared)
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Really i don't want to get rid of them two would replacing Gengar with Scizor work ?

Any other suggestions ?
 
Problems:

CM Latias

How to fix:

Your only resist to Ice and Dragon is Lucario, which is alright. One simple suggestion I might add is a CB Scizor which checks Ice attacks and CM Latias nicely. CB scizor fits in nicely

Scizor
@ Choice Band
Adamant Nature (Atk+ / SpA-)
246 HP / 252 Atk / 12 Spe

- U-turn
- Bullet Punch
- Superpower
- Pursuit

A great check to Latias and a solid check to Ice attacks in general (usually from Weavile and Mamoswine) which Scizor can greatly check. U-turn scouts the entire team while Bullet Punch checks faster Pokemon. Pursuit traps Latias mainly. Super Power further improves coverage. Also you might want to add a good resist to Electric. I will suggest a bulky lead like you want and maintain a good resist to Electric, or should I say immunity.

Swampert
@ Leftovers
Relaxed Nature (Def+ / Spe-)
252 Hp / 252 Def / 6 SpA

- Ice Beam
- Earthquake
- Roar
- Stealth Rock

I think this would benefit the team more, being more reliable than Uxie in the OU tier imo. Ice Beam covers Dragon-types while Earthquake gives good coverage with Ice, mainly smashing Tyranitar and Heatran. Roar phazes and scouts for your other oppponents mons'. gl.
 
franky said:
Problems:

CM Latias

How to fix:

Your only resist to Ice and Dragon is Lucario, which is alright. One simple suggestion I might add is a CB Scizor which checks Ice attacks and CM Latias nicely. CB scizor fits in nicely

Scizor
@ Choice Band
Adamant Nature (Atk+ / SpA-)
246 HP / 252 Atk / 12 Spe

- U-turn
- Bullet Punch
- Superpower
- Pursuit

A great check to Latias and a solid check to Ice attacks in general (usually from Weavile and Mamoswine) which Scizor can greatly check. U-turn scouts the entire team while Bullet Punch checks faster Pokemon. Pursuit traps Latias mainly. Super Power further improves coverage. Also you might want to add a good resist to Electric. I will suggest a bulky lead like you want and maintain a good resist to Electric, or should I say immunity.

Swampert
@ Leftovers
Relaxed Nature (Def+ / Spe-)
252 Hp / 252 Def / 6 SpA

- Ice Beam
- Earthquake
- Roar
- Stealth Rock

I think this would benefit the team more, being more reliable than Uxie in the OU tier imo. Ice Beam covers Dragon-types while Earthquake gives good coverage with Ice, mainly smashing Tyranitar and Heatran. Roar phazes and scouts for your other oppponents mons'. gl.
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Thankyou but im stuck on what to replace for Scizor any suggestions ?
 
I really suggest Uxie be the set ShadowX suggested, it has the surprise factor more so than the UU utility Uxie, or use the Swampert lead. What is your Uxie lead doing with Fire Punch? Uxie fails to even 4HKO Standard Metagross or Bronzong leads without Max Attack + Attack nature. Even then, Azelf outclasses any attack Uxie can use in every way. Stick to Uxie using Utility moves, unlike Mesprit and Azelf, attacking is often best left to Pokemon with an Attack stat worth giving attacks to. Don't make me use the word "attack" again, do the right thing, use a standard lead, or use an unpredictable one. Don't use a useless one.

I don't see Togekiss beating anything that Gengar can't. DD Tyranitar has it's way with your team, Aura Sphere fails to OHKO any variant of T-tar, so CB Scizor is arguably the best switch for Togekiss. Remove Hypnosis on Gengar (not worth missing so many times) and replace with Substitute. Give him HP Fire in place of Thunderbolt, as you have two counters to Gyarados already, but only one to CB Scizor, who will force Zapdos to switch into Stealth Rock over and over. Gengar can attack twice with Substitute up on its counters.

Example:

Gengar uses Substitute on a switch (Gengar forces out quite a few things actually). Most things that switch in to counter Gengar the best include: Bronzong (safer than Scizor since Timid Gengar's HP Fire fails to 2HKO most variants), Tyranitar (hoping to survive one Focus Blast to OHKO with Pursuit or Crunch, making switching impossible), Heatran (Scarf Tran attempting to outspeed and KO while you fail to use Focus Blast first), Blissey (soak up any attack, but can be 3HKO'd by LO Focus Blast, therefore you get to deal at leat 40% to most minimum HP/Special Defense Blisseys). Subsitute really lets you beat Pokemon that otherwise could KO you (Scarf Rotom being possible revenge kill and switch in on Thunderbolt or Focus Blast). LO Gengar will need Wish support if you count on keeping him in, if not, use Leftovers, although you may miss out on oppurtunities to KO certain things. Using Timid is usually best, but if you find slower things switching in, or things that are faster that can take an attack, use Modest. 319 Speed still manages to outspeed a lot, and 350 is too common (Latias has the same speed, and survives 2 Timid LO Shadow Balls to Recover it off after she Calm Minds). It's up to you on whether you replace Togekiss for Scizor or you use a different set for Gengar. (Modest Gengar ~ Shadow Ball/Focus Blast/HP Fire/Substitute ~ Leftovers/Life Orb/Expert Belt)
 
First thing's first, what are you doing using a Tyranitar lead? He loses to the two most common leads: Metagross and Swampert, Tyranitar is not able to run enough bulk as a lead to put Stealth Rock out. He is too slow to utilize Taunt effectively, and Fire Punch is a pathetic excuse to beat Bronzong and Metagross, both of which will KO with Gyro Ball or Meteor Mash respectively. Gross leads normally carry an Occa Berry to handle Infernape and Azelf leads better, and Bronzong leads will set up and switch. Fire Punch isn't getting you anywhere. Counter is the best move Tyranitar can utilize as a lead position, Pursuit can also be used. A Lum Berry paired with moves to beat the common sleeping lead (Roserade, Crobat, Breloom, Gengar) would be acceptable. Taunt and Stealth Rock are unnecessary for a Tyranitar lead, which is why he is best used somewhere else on the team. Hippowdon is the one other lead who sets up SR, Slacks Off damage, Roars the competition away, and has more defense to take attacks than Swampert. He also has Sandstream like Tyranitar, if you find having it going necessary. I recommend using a more common lead, being original isn't nearly as important as using something that works. Your team would enjoy a Swampert lead as your team has problems with Heatran, and Swampert has a 90% on average to get SR up all the time. The 10% or so that he doesn't involves anti-leads like Infernape, Starmie etc. using Grass Knot, or leads using fast sleeping moves. This is why I would lead with a Swampert who has both Stealth Rock and Protect. The other two moves are up to you. You can say how you don't like Swampert leads all day, but believe me, no experienced player will say they suck.
 
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