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np: UU - The Boys Are Back in Town

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How do you have your Cloyster Ev'd. Fake Out + Low Kick from ambipom spells death to mine... otherwise he would make for a tremendous lead.
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I just switch out to Arcanine against a lead Ambipom though. Ambipom doesn't set anything up, therefore there is no long-term consequence to switching out of it. Cloyster excels against setup leads, or just powering through others with strong attack + sash + priority.

Ambipom can only OHKO with Low Kick after Fake Out because it is glitched. Kinda ridiculous really, even Registeel can be 2HKO'd like this at the moment.
 
@D2M

The set was made to beat other froslass and ambipom. Alakazam was an after thought because I was using spiritomb to beat it for a while. At any rate I didn't start the arguement but w/e I'll take the blame if it will end this stupid debate...
 
Just posting to back up BurtonEarny. Lead Spiritomb is pretty much amazing. Beats Ambipom and Froslass leads, which are pretty common, as well as Alakazam, which is rather rare but still cool. Lead Omastar is still an annoying fuck, but whatever.
 
Yeah I've been using lead spiritomb to pretty good success as well. Also encore zam+duggy is a great combination against the bitch that is raikou. Just switch zam in on a CM or Sub then encore. Next turn he'll t-bolt which is where you switch in duggy. I guess it won't work more than once or anything but it's pretty fun to do. Also venausaur is the new roserade. It's EVERYWHERE!!!
 
Dugtrio's usage should go way, way up. Yes, Gallade has a 46% chance of killing it in one hit with Shadow Sneak after a Swords Dance, but I doubt Gallade will be running that set often, as UU is nowhere near as fast as OU.
 
I have been playing with a hyper offensive team with sd gallade using shadow sneak and rp rhyperior and it is very good. I think Gallade should be BL for sure. Rhyperior is good but not broken. I think Thund is right stall will be hard now.
 
Galactic Boss Cyrus said:
Dugtrio's usage should go way, way up. Yes, Gallade has a 46% chance of killing it in one hit with Shadow Sneak after a Swords Dance, but I doubt Gallade will be running that set often, as UU is nowhere near as fast as OU.
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wait what? priority is everywhere in UU

anyways, I love Raikou just for how well it sets up on Milotic. I'm running my Floatzel lead, a Trap Pass Umbreon and sub/cm/tbolt/hp grass Raikou, and I've had about 4 games end the same way, Floatzel kills the lead, Milotic comes in to revenge ko, Floatzel taunts before dieing, Umbreon trap passes to Raikou, free +4 +4 and a substitute (maybe more depending on what you do or less with crit hax), and then they get swept. I'm going to keep doing it until Milotic (hopefully) goes away forever.
 
itsbigfoot said:
wait what? priority is everywhere in UU

anyways, I love Raikou just for how well it sets up on Milotic. I'm running my Floatzel lead, a Trap Pass Umbreon and sub/cm/tbolt/hp grass Raikou, and I've had about 4 games end the same way, Floatzel kills the lead, Milotic comes in to revenge ko, Floatzel taunts before dieing, Umbreon trap passes to Raikou, free +4 +4 and a substitute (maybe more depending on what you do or less with crit hax), and then they get swept. I'm going to keep doing it until Milotic (hopefully) goes away forever.
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Most opponents will see that from a mile away. No one keeps a wall in on Umbreon.
 
The UU in my opinion is extremely unstable and there are too many new threats to the counters available. Therefore I find that heavy offense, revenge killing and priority are the best way to go in the new UU metagame. For me Raikou (counters are Chansey, Clefable, Registeel and Venusaur) is extremely broken and can easily be able to sweep through teams if you have the right support. The same can be said for Gallade (only real counter is Spiritomb) but priority can wear it down. Froslass can be annoying but can be countered as it is too predictable. Rhyperior is good with substitute otherwise it can be too easily killed by Azumarill. Alakazam I can't really comment on but Spiritomb counters him perfectly and he takes a beating from priority. To beat the new threats I think that Spiritomb, Azumarill, Venusaur and Ambipom will increase its usage whilst Milotic usage will go down because of Raikou. Another thing is that there seem to be hardly any rain teams at the moment, I've only faced one.
 
holy shit i have converted to honchkrowism. he is that fucking good. bb/roost/sucker punch/superpower | jolly | lo is such a freaking beast. i mean, his typing seems average, but when you look at it it really give him a lot of opportunities to come in. immunities to ground(!!!) and psychic, as well as resistances to grass and dark and ghost means he can come in on a shitton of defensive pokemon and proceed to smack the opposing team around with brave bird. blah blah blah recoil, roost is so fantastic on honchkrow that i have not once regretted using brave bird. my god i must say that in about half of my games it has been me wearing down the opponent until i let honchkrow loose late game.

just my two cents on what is, in my opinion, THE most dangerous pokemon in uu right now.
 
FolgorioTehKickAss said:
Also venausaur is the new roserade. It's EVERYWHERE!!!
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Agreed, but I see Sceptile about as much which is actually a bigger pain for me to deal with. Im playing against it so often I might have to change to team a bit to help out against it. At any rate they seem to be incredibly common, but maybe I'm just playing everyone running them.

@ Thund
Stall you say? That pleases and intrigues me.

Im running not so much a stall team as a general purpose checks team that works to counter the suspects and the things that were common before they came into UU(NP Missy, etc.) mostly through bulky builds and different sets. Its kind of like a stallish toolbox team that has actually done okay despite the fact it doesn't have much of a "goal" beyond set up hazards and force switches until the sweepers die and then finish off their tanks. Spiritomb could easily find himself as a top UU again in my experience so far.
 
I agree with the Spiritomb comment. He's an amazing Froslass, Alakazam, and gallade counter, and makes a great lead due to beating Zam, Lass, Uxie, and Ambipom, which are the only leads we're seeing right now.
 
I've been testing a Gallade lead set today.

Gallade @ Focus Sash/Lum Berry
-Swords Dance
- Close Combat
- Shadow Sneak
- Taunt/Night Slash

The premise is simple. Taunt slower leads, Swords Dance up and do as much damage as possible.
The cool thing about this is that if you're up against Ambipom, it will be very afraid of using Fake Out, since that'll boost Gallade's speed to the upper 300s.
If you're up against Froslass, just Shadow Sneak for the 2hko.
Spiritomb cannot do anything to you besides WoW (that's why Taunt is there); Pursuit is barely a 4hko.


You can also drop Taunt for Night Slash and Focus Sash for Lum Berry. While this loses your guaranteed victory against Spiritomb (you need at least one WoW to miss to win, a 44% chance, or Spiritomb to have ~30% prior damage) it gains you a guaranteed victory against Froslass (they can be EVd to survive 2 shadow sneaks) and Slowbro (who otherwise "walls" you, although it will be very weak when Gallade finally dies). The loss of focus sash also makes you more vulnerable to random scarfed leads.

I will very much miss Gallade when it moves to BL again.
 
You know, back in the days of Crobat, I would have said that you're lead needs Psycho cut (OKAO, I have a log to prove it). But I digress... Oh, and there is already a Lead Gallade in the analisis.

Oh, and I don't care if Raikou moved down to UU, and I used to use him, I'm staying with Manectrik darnit! That thing just to much! It is a Choice set (a specs one, to be exact), but it has a deadly surprise - it's last move is Switcharoo. Gets my oponents every time. They switch in Rhypereor, it won't do anything for the rest of the match.
 
I've been experimenting with heavy offense - physical and special, but not yet mixed. Obviously, Raikou is a part of the team. This is what I use:

Raikou@Shuca Berry
252 SpA, 252 Spe
-Thunderbolt
-Calm Mind
-Shadow Ball
-Hidden Power Ground

This set isn't about setting up a sub and boosting, it's about boosting once and hurting as much as you can. It gets better coverage than the SubCm version. The real beauty of this, though, is the Shuca Berry. I've noticed that loads of people bring in Dugtrio on the revenge kill. Imagine the look on their face when their Earthquake fails to OHKO, and they lose their Duggy to a Shadow Ball! This has happened a few times to me already, and it's fun to use. It obviously only works at >70%health of course(the Duggy part). This also allows you to beat Steelix.
 
Erazor said:
I've been experimenting with heavy offense - physical and special, but not yet mixed. Obviously, Raikou is a part of the team. This is what I use:

Raikou@Shuca Berry
252 SpA, 252 Spe
-Thunderbolt
-Calm Mind
-Shadow Ball
-Hidden Power Ground

This set isn't about setting up a sub and boosting, it's about boosting once and hurting as much as you can. It gets better coverage than the SubCm version. The real beauty of this, though, is the Shuca Berry. I've noticed that loads of people bring in Dugtrio on the revenge kill. Imagine the look on their face when their Earthquake fails to OHKO, and they lose their Duggy to a Shadow Ball! This has happened a few times to me already, and it's fun to use. It obviously only works at >70%health of course(the Duggy part). This also allows you to beat Steelix.
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Ah yes, the imfamous Shukakou! I remember that thing back in round 1... so very evil. At least it does jack-all to Regice... but, Regi musters, at most, 30% against a 1+ Raikou. If this had Standard EVs, it would be 24.5... ah well. At least it is revenged by Absol. I'll just have to remember NOT to use Miltank against Raikou in the future if they don't Sub.
 
Hmmm, about Gallade....

The metagame, IMO, improved for Gallade. Staraptor, Crobat, and Shaymin were all banned, while no real checks were added (only Donphan). If it was BL before, then theorymon says that it's even more BL now. But then, look at where theorymon got us(cough old UU cough)
 
Why does everyone keep saying that Donphan is a check?

+2 Life Orb Close Combat coming from 252 Atk Adamant Gallade vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Donphan


766 Atk vs 276 Def & 384 HP (120 Base Power): 465 - 547 (121.09% - 142.45%)

against the max/max donphan

766 Atk vs 372 Def & 384 HP (120 Base Power): 345 - 406 (89.84% - 105.73%)

so it's OHKO'd more than 50% of the time if Stealth Rocks are down... and 100% of the time if there's a single layer of spikes down (hey look froslass is UU now too, free spikes!).

Awesome check IMO. =\
 
I don't really see why people haven't started using Swellow more. It can easily revenge Zam (and on leads it can U turn them to sash, then switch to a pursuiter) and it's a great Gallade check (come in on SD, immune to Shadow Sneak and can OHKO 2 different ways (3 if U-turn actually does it, but I didn't check)).

I've started building a real team because my "throw as many suspects in one team and see if it facerolls the metagame" didn't really work.
 
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