Eh...fine I'll bite.
I wish I was :(.
Not to the same degree obviously. Like, your Venusaur's Sleep Powder didn't cost you the game vs some set up Pokemon, cause every other Pokemon can be revenge killed while many of the new ones can't (read: Gallade).
You missed my point; there are so many Pokemon at base 80 Speed that you 'need' to use. This also is a follow up to 1), meaning stuff like this = GG.
Gallade, Blaziken, and Venusaur are the only 3 Base 80s I see that have been heavily discussed. My team has 1/3 and it handles the other 2 just fine.
That wasn't the point there. Even if somehow Froslass wasn't broken, it still makes the lead metagame shitty. It's limited to Froslass or Anti-Froslass.
Not really. Omastar is not necessarily an "anti-froslass" lead, but it can set up alongside Froslass for a stall team then live to tell the tale. Plus, if you're running Froslass + Spin blocker, you automatically have a very Pursuit weak team.
Incorrect. Gallade can only be revenge killed by things that can survive a Life Orb boosted Swords Danced un-STAB 40 BP move, that are also faster or can take a hit from Gallade, that can also KO Gallade. Boom, there goes 99% of the metagame. Spiritomb is a good check, I get it, but that's one Pokemon. Not to mention, it's an iffy check especially if it's that 176 Atk Spread.
Spiritomb's CB SS OHKOs with attack investment. With full def it still 2HKOs with LO Recoil.
Swellow- Brave Bird/immune to SS, 'nuff said.
Ambipom- return does(92.42% - 109.39%) which is a 100% KO with SR or LO Recoil and is immune to SS (Shadow Claw OHKOs although no one uses it)
Sceptile- Specs Leaf Storm does (94.58% - 111.55%), easily OHKO with LO or SR, LO does (82.31% - 96.75%) which is slightly less assured but very likely. +2 LO Shadow Sneak does (55.87% - 65.84%)
Scyther - OHKOs with Aerial Ace, but takes (47.33% - 55.87%) from Shadow Sneak which is a likely OHKO with SR. Without SR, he's a great check though.
Arcanine- w/ Intimidate takes (31.15% - 36.76%) from SS, w/o it takes (41.43% - 48.91%) but OHKOs with Flare Blitz either way.
Drapion- min/min takes (18.15% - 21.35%) from Shadow Sneak. Max attack/Jolly CB Crunch does (78.34% - 92.42%) which is guaranteed OHKO with SR/LO recoil. Not to mention CB Drapion makes a great Pursuiter for other things, so it's not like he's dead weight on a team.
Moltres- LO Air Slash OHKOs with Timid nature.
Then there's the extremely situational revenge killers:
Houndoom can do it with a flinch on Dark Pulse, Max Atk/Spe (read none) Miltank can revenge with Return, Froslass/Rotom/Mismagius can easily OHKO with a Focus Sash.
I won't even theorize with scarfers or NUs, but you get the idea.
Bulky Waters and Venusaur are far from threatening. Actually Milotic is set up bait for the top 2 set-up sweepers in the tier atm. It works great as a Honchkrow, Gallade, non-4x SE HP Raikou, and basically any physical attacker check.
That may apply to Milotic, but what about Quagsire? Gallade and Rhyperior are 2HKO'd by Quagsire and if Raikou runs HP Grass, Quagsire can beat it easily. With his reliable recovery nowadays, he makes an excellent wall, especially Physdef spred with Amnesia. Theoretically, physdef Quagsire + Spdef Tomb makes a great defensive core.
That's part of my point. You analyzed the crap out of it, and still proved nothing. Are you still trying to tell me that Froslass, unless terribly misplayed, will fail to at least KO your opponent's lead assuming they a) aren't Froslass, and b) are a reaslistic lead (Like don't tell me Scarf Onix because of Rock Blast)? While it may not always get 3 layers of spikes up, it usually (even against good players), will get 1-2 layers + a DBond KO.
It's beaten by a lead Alakazam or Ambipom (that both beat most leads) if you run the Dbond set everyone was so hot and bothered about, and if you run BnE's lead set it's beaten or set up on by a lot of other things.
Getting up 1 layer of spikes doesn't make it BL, overpowered, or amazing either. Give anyone that can learn spikes a Focus Sash and they'll do the same.
Again, incorrect. The Choice Bander is more threatening because it poses an immediate threat. Swords Dance Blaziken doesn't. This means CB Ken can come in, 1v1 Pokemon like Raikou, Gallade, Milotic, and etc, while SD Ken needs to find time to set up before it's able to do any thing really. However SD is still good.
Depends on how your opponent predicts. Locked in Flare Blitz is setup bait for RP Rhyperior, locked in Superpower means missy gets a free setup. I like not having to worry about mispredicting.
I actually really like this set I came up with:
Venusaur (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Overgrow
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Sleep Powder
- Power Whip
- Synthesis
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Natural Bulk + Sleep Powder lets it heal itself quite often (DS helps), while Power Whip does monstrous damage. Jolly = needed for a base 80 tbh.
That was the spread I was going to run (or very similar to it, I had 4HP insted of 4 def but w/e) but I went with another poke instead (I'm not too keen on revealing my entire team yet).
Firstly, Dugtrio. Second, Pursuit. These Pokemon are really easily removed, and Raikou is unstoppable if you don't carry one of these Pokemon...and the Raikou has the incorrect/correct (depends how you look at it) Hidden Power.
Dugtrio and/or Pursuit can take out Quagsire? News to me. He can't even switch into Venusaur either. Raikou counters are heavily dependent on the HP though. Altaria running EQ, Venusaur, etc are good counters to HP Grass, while Rhyperior in sandstorm or with SpD and Quagsire with EQ are great counters to HP Ice. Max/max Registeel is also a decent counter as he is at best 3HKO'd by +1 T-bolt and can easily kill with EQ. Then again, the best way is to just NOT give him a chance to set up, or make sure if he DOES set up, he's not behind a sub by sacrificing whatever his out to keep killing his sub as he CMs then revenging with priority (that's how an Offensive or balance team can handle him, he's obviously a great threat to Stall).
