Flygon (Update)

Alan

Alan

posting this too now because i wanna get it out of the way. and im so flygon like a g6.

[Overview]
<p>Flygon is one of the best Pokemon for forcing switches, thanks to its decent bulk and excellent typing, coupled with its ability, Levitate, it can find many opportunities to switch in. It boasts a powerful STAB Earthquake and a fairly wide movepool. A very unique Pokemon and quite a heavy hitter with some great stats all around. It is the ideal counter to Donphan, Rhydon, Tyranitar and friends. Unfortunately, its secondary Ground-typing gives it a 4x weakness to Ice, but so do Salamence and Dragonite and they perform fine in OU.</p>

[SET]
name: All-Out-Attacker
move1: Earthquake
move2: Rock Slide
move3: Hidden Power Bug / Quick Attack
move4: Fire Blast
nature: Adamant / Jolly
item: Choice Band / Leftovers
evs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>This set requires a little bit of prediction to work, but the results are worth it. Simply switch Flygon into a Choice Banded Rock Slide or Earthquake and predict what your opponent will switch in next and try to attack it. The moves itself are pretty straightforward. Earthquake is your most powerful move, but also your most dangerous option to use since Salamence or Gyarados can come in and get a free Dragon Dance. Rock Slide will be your option to hit the aformentioned threats and Hidden Power Bug takes on Celebi really well. Fire Blast is Flygons first line of defense against Skarmory and Forretress and will do more to Cloyster than Rock Slide. The given EVs will outspeed Adamant Heracross, but a little more speed can be used based on what you want to outspeedl no more than 300 speed is really necessary though.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
<p>There isn't really much else to add to this set, Quick Attack is a viable option to pick off threats like SubSalac Heracross and stuff along that same vein. Toxic is also a decent option for Swampert and the like. However, since Flygon is often paired with Tyranitar, this is not always necessary. If you feel a fast Flygon isn't your style, then you can lower the speed to reach around the 270 bench mark, which will outspeed Adamant Heracross. Another option is to go just above 319 Speed, outpacing Jynx and Houndoom.</p>

[SET]
name: Substitute
move1: Substitute
move2: Earthquake
move3: Rock Slide
move4: Fire Blast
nature: Adamant
item: Leftovers
evs: 252 HP / 144 Atk / 80 Def / 32 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>As previously mentioned, Flygon has no shortage of opportunities to come in to play, and this set takes advantage of that with Substitute, ensuring Flygon can get at least one attack off before its Substitute is broken. This set is a real team player as well, because of its ability to scout Hidden Power and opponents movepools in general. Fire Blast will do a large chunk of damage to Skarmory, OHKO Forretress and do around 40% to Celebi.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
<p>The given EVs will allow Flygon to make bulky substitutes, and still be able to fight back and damage major threats. 32 Speed EVs will outpace Standard Dragon Dance Dragonite. The given EVs ensure that Tyranitar will never break your Substitutes with an unboosted Rock Slide. If you wish to be a little faster, Flygon can run Jolly with 40 Speed EVs to outrun Adamant Heracross.</p>

[SET]
name: Screech
move1: Screech
move2: Rock Slide
move3: Earthquake
move4: Hidden Power Bug / Substitute
nature: Adamant
item: Leftovers
evs: 80 HP / 224 Atk / 16 Def / 8 SpD / 180 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>With Screech Flygon can take advantage of its QuakeSlide attacking combo and force switches reliably. Screech is the main attraction in this set because of its ability to rack up damage via attacking or by forcing switches. Rock Slide and Earthquake are the main forms of attacking, as they offer excellent coverage, Hidden Power Bug is really just for Celebi. Substitute can be used to block status and Intimidate from hindering the effectiveness of this set. Using the set is fairly simple, come in on a Choice Banded or physical attacker using Earthquake or Rock Slide and go from there.</p>

[ADDTIONAL COMMENTS]
<p>The given EVs will allow Flygon to outspeed Adamant Heracross and Defensive Celebi. This set is very effective with Sandstorm in play, making Tyranitar an ideal Teammate. Forretress also works excellent with this set because of its resistance to Ice-type attacks and its ability to lay down Spikes, which this set works wonders at abusing.</p>

[Other Options]
<p>Hidden Power Ghost can be used for the Gengar switch in while still maintaining the ability to hit Celebi. Hidden Power Flying can also be used to for the Heracross who thinks its got a safe switch into Earthquake. Mimic can be used to copy a recovery move or Heal Bell which is always fun, but pretty gimmicky. Flygon also has the capability of running a special sweeper set to some effect. A bit outclassed by Salamence, but it's decent for catching your opponent off guard at least.</p>

[Counters]
<p>Flygon's counters really depend on the set, the Screech set is 100% countered by Skarmory, who takes only around 60% from Rock Slide with -6 Def, not like anyone is going to let it get that low however. The Choice Band set really just needs some good prediction to counter, like all other Choice Band sets. Swampert is also a generally good counter but needs to be careful of the Special Flygon. Regice is an excellent counter to the Special Flygon set, being able to take Fire Blasts and OHKO back with Ice Beam. Lastly, Claydol is an excellent choice thanks to its resistance of the QuakeSlide combo and the fact it can learn Ice Beam.</p>
 
Grammar / spelling in bold, comma / splice fixes in bold red.

<p>Flygon is one of the best Pokemon for forcing switches. Thanks to its decent bulk and excellent typing, coupled with its ability Levitate, it can find many opportunities to switch in. It boasts a powerful STAB Earthquake, and a fairly good movepool.</p> (I suck at overviews so yeah)

[SET]
name: Screech
move1: Screech
move2: Rock Slide
move3: Earthquake
move4: Hidden Power Bug / Substitute
nature: Adamant
item: Leftovers
evs: 80 HP / 224 Atk / 16 Def / 8 SpD / 180 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>With Screech, Flygon can take advantage of its QuakeSlide attacking combo and force switches reliably. Screech is the main attraction of this set because of its ability to rack up damage via attacking or by forcing switches. Rock Slide and Earthquake are the main forms of attacking, as they offer excellent coverage. Hidden Power Bug gives Flygon a reliable way to hit Celebi. Substitute can be used to block status and Intimidate from hindering the effectiveness of this set. Using this set is fairly simple: come in on a Choice Banded or physical attacker using Earthquake or Rock Slide and go from there.</p>

[ADDTIONAL COMMENTS]
<p>The given EVs will allow Flygon to outspeed the 306 bracket (such as Houndom and Jynx) but still provides Flygon with some bulk. This set is very effective with Sandstorm in play and Spikes on the field. Thanks to Flygon's immunity to the former, it gains health while the opponent suffers.</p>

[SET]
name: Substitute
move1: Substitute
move2: Earthquake
move3: Rock Slide
move4: Fire Blast
nature: Adamant
item: Leftovers
evs: 252 HP / 144 Atk / 80 Def / 32 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>As previously mentioned, Flygon has no shortage of opportunities to switch in. This set takes advantage of that with Substitute, ensuring Flygon can get at least one attack off before its Substitute is broken. This set is a real team player as well, because Flygon excels at scouting Hidden Power types and opponents' movepools in general. Fire Blast will do a large chunk of damage to Skarmory, OHKO Forretress, and do around 40% to Celebi.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
<p>The given EVs will allow Flygon to make bulky substitutes (no comma here) and still be able to fight back and damage major threats. 32 Speed EVs will outpace Standard Dragon Dance Dragonite. </p>

[SET]
name: Choice Bander
move1: Earthquake
move2: Rock Slide
move3: Hidden Power Bug / Quick Attack
move4: Fire Blast
nature: Adamant
item: Choice Band
evs: 88 HP / 252 Atk / 16 Def / 152 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>This set requires a little bit of prediction to work, but the results are worth it. Simply switch Flygon into a Choice Banded Rock Slide or Earthquake and predict what your opponent will switch in next and try to attack it. The moves itself are pretty straightforward. The given EVs will outspeed Adamant Heracross, but a little more speed can be used based on what you want to outspeed. 300 Speed should be your cap because _____________.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
<p>There isn't really much else to add to this set. Quick Attack is a viable option to pick off threats such as SubSalac Heracross and stuff along that same vein (this is extremely vague. Consider fleshing this out.). However, because Flygon is often paired with Tyranitar, this is not always necessary.</p>

You should probably add some damage calculations. There are several places in here that are very vague when referring to Flygon's damage output, as well as its capability against other Pokemon.
 
I figured I'd go ahead and do the ones he's put up, then edit in when he's finished. I'll wait from now on though.
 
some things to note:

if we are going to make the first-listed set the "standard" or "#1 recommended" one, the 4-attack set should go first instead of screech. screech is a joke unless you have spikes and a way to deal with skarmory. i'd also recommend changing the name of the cb set to something like "4 attacks" and make both @leftovers and @cb an option there. most people run max speed jolly btw, that's probably worth noting. set atk, def, and spdef ivs to 30 so you can still hit 328 speed with hp bug.

your evs are kind of fucked. don't randomly put a few evs into def or spdef just to make round numbers, you're better off putting them in hp.

toxic is a decent option.
 
I'd say there's just as many people running adamant as jolly. The spreads themselves are weird though and whatever they used to be relevant for they probably aren't anymore.

I also see way more subgons than I see 4-attack gons (I'm the only person I've seen recently use cb and I haven't seen anyone use 4 attack w/o cb in recent memory). But either way screech definitely has to be dropped down.
 
G80 said:
some things to note:

if we are going to make the first-listed set the "standard" or "#1 recommended" one, the 4-attack set should go first instead of screech. screech is a joke unless you have spikes and a way to deal with skarmory. i'd also recommend changing the name of the cb set to something like "4 attacks" and make both @leftovers and @cb an option there. most people run max speed jolly btw, that's probably worth noting. set atk, def, and spdef ivs to 30 so you can still hit 328 speed with hp bug.

your evs are kind of fucked. don't randomly put a few evs into def or spdef just to make round numbers, you're better off putting them in hp.

toxic is a decent option.
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yeah last night when i asked if you were on irc and you left immediately thereafter i was going to ask what the EVs are for.

ill make the changes though, 4 attack w/leftovers is a good set

JabbaTheGriffin said:
I'd say there's just as many people running adamant as jolly. The spreads themselves are weird though and whatever they used to be relevant for they probably aren't anymore.

I also see way more subgons than I see 4-attack gons (I'm the only person I've seen recently use cb and I haven't seen anyone use 4 attack w/o cb in recent memory). But either way screech definitely has to be dropped down.
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i always run adamant since but jolly makes sense to be consistent with reaching some of the speed benchmarks listed on the current analysis.

ill do the reodering though. thanks for the help guys ^_^
 
ubers flygon is dumb as hell but if you're gonna use it, use this:

Flygon (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 76 HP / 252 Atk / 44 Spd / 136 SAtk
Brave Nature (+Atk, -Spd)
- Earthquake
- Solarbeam
- Toxic
- Fire Blast

outruns bulky groudon that often hovers around 220 speed and does about 50% on average to max hp sets with solarbeam. toxic is pretty annoying, and far more effective than trying to hp ghost lugia or latios. fire blast ohkos skarmory in the sun.
 
k thanks ill edit it in eventually

edit: also special flygon is really a freaking horrible set. should it even be onsite? outclassed by elemence who is equally as bad, but more viable at least. thoughts?
 
attn: removed special sweeper (not great, but it's fun and somewhat decent as a suprise factor) and mentioned it in other options. could use a GP check. hint hint.
 
I'd join the three @ leftovers set into one like eq|slide|hp bug/sub|fblast/screech and then make another @ choice band imo.
Anyway, is QA really worth mentioning?
And i would only mention Sub in other options.
 
Crystal_ said:
I'd join the three @ leftovers set into one like eq|slide|hp bug/sub|fblast/screech and then make another @ choice band imo.
Anyway, is QA really worth mentioning?
And i would only mention Sub in other options.
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i dont really like the idea of simplification by just succumbing to slashitis, no offense. it looks sloppy to me and it just makes for really jumbled descriptions. screech plays pretty differently than every other flygon set and really belongs on more of a TSS team than anything else, imo. sub is probably OO material though. QA probably has some merit in being able to pick off weak enemies who may outspeed you. (weakened jolteon comes to mind, weakened zapdos (with an agility) etc) not the best option, but it's got at least a bit of use.
 
just posting to say that you don't need the Ubers Flygon there since we have tabs now, though if you're updating that too then it's fine. The Ubers tag is actually extremely barren atm and could use its own Overview / OO / CnC sections
 
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