Salamence - The Metagame Menace

Pyr0

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Salamence

Funny, hes one of the most feared Pokemon, and he hasnt had a single discussion thread, time to change that.

Trait: Intimidate - When salamance swiches in, the oponent gets a -2 attack debuff (normaly halving it)

Base Stats:/ HP 95 / 135 Atk / 80 Def / 110 Satk / 80 SDef / 100 Spd


Physical Movepool
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Fire Fang
Thunder Fang
Rage
Zen Headbutt
Crunch
Dragon Claw
Double Edge
Earthquake
Brick Break
Aerial Ace
Shadow Claw
Stone Edge
Rock Slide
Trash
Dragon Rush

Special Movepool
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Dragon Pulse
Hydro Pump
Flamethrower
Fire Blast
Hidden Power
Draco Meteor

Support Movepool
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Dragon Dance
Roost
Substitute
Protect
Wish*
Toxic
Scary Face

*Special Event move

In D/P Menace is shaping up to being as unpredictable as Gengar, being able to hit EXTREMELY HARD on both ends (phisical and special) and even Toxistalling.

Theres really no need to post movesets, as I think you should see it in your dreams already.

Discuss the Metagame Menace.
 
Mence is not "extinct" like some people claimed him to be. Garchomp isn't nearly as good as people thought he was and AG mence is very deadly. It's very hard to wall mence considering the wrong switch could easily mean the doom of one of your walls.
 
I used to detest Salamence, but the Choice Specs Mence is so appealing for some reason… how exactly does CSpMence handle other starters, like Gengar or Infernape?
 
phatJacob07 said:
I used to detest Salamence, but the Choice Specs Mence is so appealing for some reason… how exactly does CSpMence handle other starters, like Gengar or Infernape?
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Mence doesn't have to start. He comes in on fighting attacks and megahorns quite well. And every starter has counters. X counters Y, Z counters X, and Y counters Z.
 
AGMence won't want to risk an HP Ice from either Gar or Ape.

And Sala probably won't be as unpredictable as Gar since there are 3 distinct standard sets (AG, CB, DD). Unless Mixmence becomes popular...
 
Wait, doesn't Intimidad lower foe's attack just 1 Level??, i'm sure if not it would be broken :S

And CSMence (AGMence) is the best of the best, really i can only think of Blissey stoping it (then almost 2KOS/OHKOS everything :P)
 
The CBers and the AGer look awesome but I like the looks of a Life Orb mixed Mence simply for the versatility of not being walled by misprediction. Someone posted something similar in a Flygon thread:

@Life Orb
- Dragon Claw
- Earthquake
- Fire Blast / Flamethrower
- Roost

Not much can safely come in on it without taking a boat-load of damage and it can Roost off Orb recoil as well as normal damage in general.

Edit: Mention Dragon Pulse in its Special movepool.

Pyr0 said:
Funny, hes one of the most feared Pokemon, and he hasnt had a single discussion thread, time to change that.
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He had one a little while ago but its buried rather deep in Search since Salamence has been mentioned in so many threads.
 
Physical dragon claw is much better than the old HP fly when comes to damage but remeber you don't SE much and your still will be annoyed by steel types (who are easyly offed by fire blast/overheat)
 
Like I said in the last Salamence thread, this thing has so many options and all of them are viable. It can go CB, CG, Dragon Dance, Wish, Onimusha's idea of a life orb set reminiscent of Staraptor, etc. And the wrong switch-in, especially on one of the choice sets, will easily spell the doom of one of your walls.
 
Yeah, I agree with Jump. Mence is turning out to be my favorite pokemon this gen lol. I just love this thing. :) He can fill so many roles now and I'm having trouble thinking up teams without sticking Salamence on every single one. XD

CBmence is a beast as well as Choice Specs mence and now he gets roost too making him even better. Also dont forget about the DDer.

I think in this gen Mence is more of a threat than ttar simply because he can fill more roles and fall into teams easier. I wish Ttar had a nicer ability than sandstorm. :( Really limits what you can put on your team. :(
 
I am more excited about using a LOrb or CB set with this thing now that it can do so much with both STAB options. This thing will be fun to use in the new metagame.
 
The sneaking suspicion I harbored that I wouldn't quite be the only one dran to Salamence's special capabilities has evidently already been realized in full on Wifi. SpecsMence (or Jumpmence if you're McGraw lol) has the ability to flat out change matches...but I say that more because I don't think CB Mence will just roll over and not be used anymore.

Salamence is unique in that it's probably the pokemon that best utilizes bothits physical and special capalities. I say this in comparison to similarly versatile pokemon like Infernape, which 348 Speed Recover Starmie is still an all-in-one counter for, and Tyranitar, on which 401HP/297Def Swampert can still relatively safely switch in (and better with Protect to guarantee at least 12.5% HP recovery after the initial blow) be it CB Tyra or Boah. The "FIRST BLOOD!" Salamence scores may bet a bit too much to tourniquet, and that's a big deal in what will likely figure to be a very offensive, fast-paced metagame.
 
If you Protect against a Draco Meteor would Salamence's Special Attack still drop? I've never been too sure about that.
 
Shame. Well at least you can scout what it's going to do and work out of if it's physical or special. I don't think I've seen a single Choice Band Salamence in an RMT thread. My guess is it'll become popular after people get sick of being walled by Blissey and Empoleon.
 
Phuquoph said:
Shame. Well at least you can scout what it's going to do and work out of if it's physical or special. I don't think I've seen a single Choice Band Salamence in an RMT thread. My guess is it'll become popular after people get sick of being walled by Blissey and Empoleon.
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Yeah, I expect it to become popular as well. With EQ/Stone/DClaw/FT I don't think there's any Pokemon who can safely switch into it, everything gets hit by something.
 
oh you'll see it i can see people switching to them only to eat dragon claw or EQ instead of draco meteor
 
Crunch is actually a decent choice over a special Fire move. Mostly for Cresselia, but it'll also do more to Starmie, Slowbro and Dusknoir. Skarmory isn't really a threat to Salamence as such, he'll wall him but the others can actually kill Salamence in one hit.
 
Micky Onimusha said:
The CBers and the AGer look awesome but I like the looks of a Life Orb mixed Mence simply for the versatility of not being walled by misprediction. Someone posted something similar in a Flygon thread:

@Life Orb
- Dragon Claw
- Earthquake
- Fire Blast / Flamethrower
- Roost

Not much can safely come in on it without taking a boat-load of damage and it can Roost off Orb recoil as well as normal damage in general.
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That was me who posted that in the Flygon set, and I reckon Salamence can use it even better despite the lack of Earthquake STAB. I didn't even think of that when I came up with it. Salamence outclasses Flygon in yet another way =/

As Phuquoph said, though, you could put Crunch over Fire Blast/Flamethrower to hit Slowbro/Starmie/Dusknoir better, which is something Flygon can't do, and could prove quite helpful, especially if you get the Def down.

Another move that might become even more popular due to Salamence, other than Protect, is Knock Off. Remove the Choice Specs off Salamence and while it still hits fairly hard, it's not nearly as powerful as it was with the Specs. Same goes for Life Orb and Choice Band sets.
 
SePh258 said:
could easily mean the doom of one of your walls.
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Surgo said:
spell the doom of one of your walls.
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That's similar...Perhaps too similar... Anyway, salamence has always been a pokemon whom was unexpected, remember that. This has only been occuring to some people just now because of Draco Meteor and the choice Specs. This will single handedly force people to start using 1 of maybe 5 viable special walls.
 
Brick Break is probably a better choice for Life Orb sets as it does more to Tyranitar and Blissey and still hits Heatran reasonably hard. Fire Blast/Flamethrower handles Metagross better than Earthquake anyway.
 
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