Alternate Butterfree Set

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Keikun332

I am new to this fourm. I've been lurking for the past... 4 weeks or so. I noticed the butterfree sets and I have an alternate set I would like to post.



Name: Speed Status

move 1: Sleep Powder
move 2: Stun Spore
move 3: Whirlwind
move 4: Endure
item: Salac Berry
nature: timid / hasty / jolly / naive
evs: 252 Spd


At least 21 Speed IV and 252 Speed EV on a
positive speed nature to get 252 Speed minium to out
speed all unboosted pokemon other than
Jolteon, Aerodactyl and Crobat once
setup with salac berry

252 Speed is the only requirement. You don't want
any defense/special defense/hp, so endure can
kick in indefinatly.

The setup is quite simple. So long your opponent
cannot sleep talk or status you, endure the first hit
to activate Salac Berry. Once Boosted, Sleep Powder.
Your opponent will probally switch into somthing faster
than butterfree after the sleep powder which is where
you stun spore. Once paralized, attempt a whirlwind.
If you survive the attack or they can't move, the
whirlwind will connect and you have another chance at
landing a second stun spore, crippling half the opponents
team

The main reason you want whirlwind on this set is
because jolteon, aerodactyl, crobat and choice scarf
users. Insomnia and sleep talk will cripple this setup sadly,
making whirlwind a wasted effort, since you will probally
faint to the sleep talk attack, or will be force to stun spore
an insomiac pokemon and have butterfree be sacrificed.

Unfortunatly, Hail/Sandstorm kills this setup, so save
this particular butterfree for late/mid game, when you
know t-tar/abobasnow won't come out



I could see this setup taking apart opponents that are not ready for it, but unfortunatly, this particular setup without an attack move is used up within 4 - 5 turns, but is enough to sleep one pokemon and stun another. An excellent pokemon to send this out aganist off a KO is blissy. Sleep the blissy or force it to switch.


Comments, Thoughts, Suggestions? I'm open for everything. I hope this set doesn't sound gimicky. I did alot of background checking for my theory and I hope it's clean enough to spark thoughts
 
No, what he's suggesting DOES work. You sleep them, and then they either can't hit you, or they have to switch; either way, you get a whirlwind in.
 
correction!

R2-D2 Rules! said:
Whirlwind ALWAYS goes last, IIRC. So that wouldn't work.
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Yes, whirlwind always goes last, but the reason I have it on this set is to follow up on sleep powder. The sleeping pokemon (save for sleep talkers) will not be able to attack you, so your opponent will probally switch to somthing fast enough to stop butterfree... oi, which is where you would probally just want to stun spore...

I was thinking whirlwind to hopefully catch your opponent switching to their faster pokemon, but I see now. Probally would rather just stun the switch in, THEN whirlwind. There we go.

Endure to activate Salac, Sleep the first pokemon, stun the second, whirlwind, then stun another pokemon if you survived.
 
Butterfree fails, period. Your efforts are valiant, to say the least, but there is absolutely no way that Butterfree can be consistently useful except maybe in NU. Also, pigs will fly and develop advanced futuristic technology before Butterfree is capable of inspiring even the slightest shadow of fear in Blissey's heart.

Summary: no.

Could be a decent NU gimmick, though.
 
Yes, I have read Firestorm's warstories. What I'm saying is that there are far better Pokemon that can status; also, Butterfree is not consistent, a very important factor in stuff like this.
 
Great Sage said:
Yes, I have read Firestorm's warstories. What I'm saying is that there are far better Pokemon that can status; also, Butterfree is not consistent, a very important factor in stuff like this.
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Actually, thanks to compound eyes, Butterfree can be consistant.



Only thing holding this back is Quick Attack (And Similiar) and the sleep clause.
 
As for blissy, at least it will be asleep, which is where you can switch. Now your opponent has a slept blissy. If your opponent keeps it in, stun spore will miss, which is where you whirlwind instead to drag out another pokemon to land stun spore on. This would be unfortunate, since you only sleep one pokemon and paralyze another rather then sleep one, paralyze two.

Another advantage this has is that is paralyzes ground types and electivire and will do so at a speed faster than any non-choice scarf/non-speed boosted pokemon. A sleeping blissy and a paralyzed sweeper is definatly worth at least a thought for the price of a single pokemon.

Could imagine if there was no sleep clause. But this is for standard play, so thats just an after thought
 
Seems that this needs to be investigated further... I'll be putting Butterfree on my team shortly and testing it out. I just need to find a butterfree with 21+ speed IV first heh heh.

I honestly think albet quite easy to counter (sandstorm/hail/first strike moves/sleep talk/insomnia) it can cripple a team if they do not have the afforementioned
 
You're forgetting Natural Cure, which is usually the predominant trait on Blissey. She actually ruins this strategy more than anything, absorbing a sleep and switching out to a solid counter; plus, you can't just Sleep Powder indefinately, as Bliss can just stay in until you run out of PP for that specific move and switch out after the move has been completely drained.

So yeah, if you're planning on using this, definately run a decent Bliss counter; Heatran with Explosion is rather nice, as is a ResTalker Tangrowth provided Bliss isn't packing an Ice Beam.
 
Treedweller said:
You're forgetting Natural Cure, which is usually the predominant trait on Blissey. She actually ruins this strategy more than anything, absorbing a sleep and switching out to a solid counter; plus, you can't just Sleep Powder indefinately, as Bliss can just stay in until you run out of PP for that specific move and switch out after the move has been completely drained.

So yeah, if you're planning on using this, definately run a decent Bliss counter; Heatran with Explosion is rather nice, as is a ResTalker Tangrowth provided Bliss isn't packing an Ice Beam.
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excellent point. I was thinking serene grace. Natural Cure erases status on a switch, which is what you could also plan for. You could:

Sleep Powder twice in a row, then whirlwind (sleep minimum is 3 turns I beleive?)

Sleep Powder, switch to Blissy counter and attack with a move to counter your counter which is what blissy will be switching out to (example: you swap to swampert. Your opponent is thinking you'll nail it with earthquake so they swap into Heracross and wind up taking a Stone Edge)

Sleep Powder, switch into the counter for your blissy counter (example: Your opponent predicts you'll be switching into a physical attacker like metagross/salamence so they switch into Garchomp, which you would predict and switch into Weavile on their switch, landing them back in hot water)

All in all, the point I'm trying to make is that Sleep is dangerous to anyone that doesn't resist it and allows a great advantage over your opponent in mind games
 
Whirlwind is completely wasted here. Lets say, you Sleep something, then Stunspore, and they actually do switch, then they actually are fully paralysed as you whirlwind, then next turn what it to stop them switching the previously paralysed pokemon back in?

Sure you could predict that switch, but I think it is a lot easier for your opponent to be making predictions while you have a pokemon with no attacks out!

Also when you consider how common Tyranitar, Hippowdon and priority moves are, I just think this is the exact sort of gimmicky set discussion that chaos was talking about here: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24344

Have a nice day.
 
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