Glaceon QC: [1/3]

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QC’d by: Anty
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Overview
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  • A powerful base 130 Special Attack stat makes its attacks deliver a cold blow. This devastating power is the main thing that distinguishes from the rest of its Ice-type brethren
  • With a great offensive typing in Ice, Glaceon can outright cripple many of the Grass and Flying-types that roam the tier
  • Decent bulk to abuse, with 65/110/95 defenses granting it the ability to stomach some neutral hits. It’ll need this due to its slow speed
  • Pretty shallow movepool gives it very limited options to deal with Pokemon that resist its Ice STAB and make it struggle
  • A weakness to Stealth Rock, susceptibility to all entry hazards, and slowness all contribute to wearing Glaceon down quickly
Choice Specs
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name: Choice Specs
move 1: Ice Beam
move 2: Hidden Power Ground
move 3: Shadow Ball
move 4: Baton Pass
ability: Ice Body
item: Choice Specs
evs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
nature: Modest

Moves
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  • Ice Beam is the main move of the set, with high base power, perfect accuracy, and great typing contributing to its spammability. Pokemon such as Hippopotas, Tangela, and Torterra are KOed before they even move.
  • Hidden Power Ground hits the Steel and Fire-types that resist the STAB move, such as Bastiodon and Heatmor. It also hits the Water / Rock Pokemon in the tier such as Carracosta and Barbaracle.
  • Shadow Ball mostly provides neutral coverage, and has the benefit of hitting Ghost-types such as Misdreavus hard
  • Baton Pass on this set works as a pseudo U-turn that allows Glaceon to pivot into an appropriate teammate should a check / counter present itself
Set Details
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  • Glaceon has two useless abilities, and Ice Body is the better of the two (even though it will never see use).
  • Choice Specs is the item of choice, allowing Glaceon to wallbreak very effectively with simple sheer power; however, it limits Glaceon to one move at a time.
  • The EVs are fairly straightforward as they maximize Glaceon’s power while also giving it the ability to outrun many slow walls.
  • A Modest nature carries powerful strength behind it, being able to 2HKO Lickilicky after Stealth Rock damage. However, a Timid nature may be used in order to outspeed targets that fall in a threshold between Adamant Barbaracle, Adamant Mightyena, and Torterra.
Usage Tips
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  • Switch in the Eeveelution by pivoting to it with double switches and slow U-turns or Volt Switches. Grass-type Pokemon such as Tangela, Gourgeist-XL, and Torterra are Pokemon Glaceon immediately threatens and as such can take advantage of their presence in order to attack.
  • Basically spam Ice Beam to blast through the opposition, utilizing Hidden Power Ground to bait the Water / Rocks, Steel and Fire-type switch ins or a dry Baton Pass to switch out safely to a counter
Team Options
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  • Hazard removal is a must for the slow Glaceon in order to be able to come continuously to spam Ice STAB move. Wartortle and Vibrava offer good type synergy with it and may remove hazards with Rapid Spin and Defog, respectively
  • Fighting-types are quite helpful as they have great type synergy with the Eeveelution and can beat many relevant Stealth Rockers. In particular, Poliwrath is a great partner for Glaceon as it can take on all 3 of the types (Ice, Fire, Steel) that resist Glaceon’s main STAB and can punish them with its STABs, set up SubPunch, or phase with Circle Throw
  • A sweeper that takes advantage of the holes Glaceon breaks can serve as a good teammate. For example, Carracosta and Barbaracle can take advantage of Glaceon’s ability to blast through the Grass-types of the tier and either set up much more safely or pummel through the weakened remains.
  • Partners that are able to deal with the Water-types that resist its STAB are appreciated. Tangela and Gourgeist-XL can be used as effective partners that are able to take hits from Poliwrath, Carracosta, and Barbaracle with ease due to their great physical bulk; the former is even aided by its ability, Regenerator.
Other Options
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  • Has a pretty terrible offensive moveset overall, and should only consider some other options if the team really requires it:
  • Frost Breath is another STAB attack that may be used to bypass Calm Mind spammers, such as Clefairy. However, this is situational at most and the lack of perfect accuracy is a hindrance.
  • A Choice Scarf set may seem viable, but is promptly outclassed by Rotom-F due to higher speed, a secondary STAB in Electric, and access to Trick to disrupt bulky walls
  • A Defensive Set with access to moves such as Wish, Heal Bell, and Roar may seem appealing at first, but suffers from a low HP stat and a poor defensive typing that leaves only one resistance to be had
  • Hyper Voice has neutral coverage and hits everything but Steels and Frillish
  • Signal Beam offers coverage against Dark and Psychic types but is otherwise bad
Checks & Counters
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  • **Water-types:** In general, all of these wall Glaceon. Poliwrath resists its main STAB and can proceed to set up a Substitute in its face, or simply strike with a Fighting-type STAB move. The Shell Smashers may also use Glaceon to set up and either KO it with a Rock-type STAB attack (in the cases of Carracosta or Barbaracle) or pass the boosts (in the case of Huntail)
  • **Fire-types:** These Pokemon, such as Ninetales and Rapidash, can outright use their STAB moves to defeat it. Ninetales in particular has Nasty Plot and may use Glaceon as set up fodder. However, they must be wary of Hidden Power Ground
  • **Ice-types:** Lapras and Regice shrug off Ice Beam and may set up or use alternative coverage moves to shut down Glaceon. Rotom-F can also wall it as it suffers almost no repercussions from its coverage moves and and can Volt Switch to preserve momentum
  • **Hazards:** These severely hamper Glaceon's performance, as every single one is detrimental to its performance by compromising its bulk and its already slow speed. With Glaceon being pressured to even switch in, it might not get a chance to move.
  • **Revenge Killers:** Glaceon has very mediocre speed and thus is prone to be revenge killed by Pokemon such as Sneasel, Ninetales, Simipour, and Aurorus.
 
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Overview
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Mention that its power is its niche other over ice types

Choice Specs
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Modest should be the only nature as the power benefit is invaluable (can 2hko licki after rocks) and timid doesnt outspeed much

Moves
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Remove the mention of blizzard here, accuracy too bad
Examples of what hp ground hits

Set Details
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Keep a mention of timid here. Remove the bit about kricketune, as it is the only base 65 to run +speed nature, and is only used as a lead

Usage Tips
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looks good

Team Options
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Mention ways to get rid of water-types

Other Options
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Frost breath allows it to beat calm mind spammers like clefairy
Stress its bad offensive moveset

Checks & Counters
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  • **Poliwrath:** Change this to water types, as they all wall it. Also mention that smashers can set up on it
  • **Fire-types:** Mention that ninetales can set up nasty plots
  • Others look good
Add a section of 'faster pokemon', basically ones that revenge kill it

Blitzamirin
 
Blitzamirin please implement Anty's check. It's pretty quick, so you have 48 hours to do so or I will have to reassign. I or another QC member will check Masquerain soon, but this can at least be done.
 
I think the overview needs to expand on Glaceon's niche more. Frankly, it is rather outclassed as Aurorus is a mon that can hit similarly hard with better coverage and typing and I'd prefer a more convincing reason than "hits hard". Basically give a good reason why I would use Glaceon on my team over other Ice-types.
 
u need to slash blizzard with ice beam and mention hail mons in team options

this thing isn't actually that bad but you're missing its main niche

tbh outside of niche sets like scarf idk why there should be any mention of it outside of hail with specs / never-melt ice

anyone else agree or nah
 
Yeah, glaceon is really solid on hail, but otherwise it's really outclassed. This analysis should be focused on what Glaceon is best at, which is on hail. Based on this, the set should be:

Choice Specs
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name: Choice Specs
move 1: Blizzard
move 2: Ice Beam
move 3: Hidden Power Fighting
move 4: Baton Pass
ability: Ice Body
item: Choice Specs
evs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
nature: Modest

HP Fighting > Ground because of Balloon Probopass, and having a reliable Ice STAB when hail isn't up is way more useful than having a random coverage move that you'll never be using anyway. Also, make the following changes:

  • Talk about hail in the overview
  • Ice Body is no longer useless
  • Mention Snover, other Ice-types (mainly Rotom), Sticky Web, and Probopass in team options.
  • Remove hazard removal from team options, it's basically impossible to fit it on hail because pretty much every slot not spent on ice-types needs to go towards checking something important.
  • "In particular, Poliwrath is a great partner for Glaceon as it can take on all 3 of the types (Ice, Fire, Steel) that resist Glaceon’s main STAB and can punish them with its STABs, set up SubPunch, or phase with Circle Throw"- This isn't related to hail but Water also resists Ice, and Poliwrath doesn't really beat the best water type (itself).
  • Remove Signal Beam and defensive from OO
  • Mention Steel-types in C&C (mention hp fighting obviously)
  • Put Nevermeltice in set details, it lets you do stuff like beat Probopass that think you're locked into Blizzard

Also, I think Scarf could be worth a main set, as I've used it a decent amount and found it to be decent. What do other QC members think?

edit: now that i think about it scarf is more oo worthy
 
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Yeah, glaceon is really solid on hail, but otherwise it's really outclassed. This analysis should be focused on what Glaceon is best at, which is on hail. Based on this, the set should be:

Choice Specs
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name: Choice Specs
move 1: Blizzard
move 2: Ice Beam
move 3: Hidden Power Fighting
move 4: Baton Pass
ability: Ice Body
item: Choice Specs
evs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
nature: Modest

HP Fighting > Ground because of Balloon Probopass, and having a reliable Ice STAB when hail isn't up is way more useful than having a random coverage move that you'll never be using anyway. Also, make the following changes:

  • Talk about hail in the overview
  • Ice Body is no longer useless
  • Mention Snover, other Ice-types (mainly Rotom), Sticky Web, and Probopass in team options.
  • Remove hazard removal from team options, it's basically impossible to fit it on hail because pretty much every slot not spent on ice-types needs to go towards checking something important.
  • "In particular, Poliwrath is a great partner for Glaceon as it can take on all 3 of the types (Ice, Fire, Steel) that resist Glaceon’s main STAB and can punish them with its STABs, set up SubPunch, or phase with Circle Throw"- This isn't related to hail but Water also resists Ice, and Poliwrath doesn't really beat the best water type (itself).
  • Remove Signal Beam and defensive from OO
  • Mention Steel-types in C&C (mention hp fighting obviously)
  • Put Nevermeltice in set details, it lets you do stuff like beat Probopass that think you're locked into Blizzard

Also, I think Scarf could be worth a main set, as I've used it a decent amount and found it to be decent. What do other QC members think?

I strongly disagree with this. Firstly, hail is a bad playstyle, yes it is niche, but if snover itself doesnt even have an analysis then i see no reason to include a set based around hail. Glaceon is only more niche on hail since you have to use 2 other ice types to justify use of hail/snover lol. Outside of hail it is still decent, its has power over vanniluxe/aurorus, and although it lacks coverage, baton pass is somewhat makes up for it, as glaceon baits in pokes like licky for the costa/whatever set up. Hidden power ground is a lot better than fighting, hitting balloon probo isnt worth it when you can pop its balloon the first time and is amazingly relevant, especcially considering hp ground has better coverage as it hits fire types (hp fight only hits sneasel and balloon probo). Hail should have mentions in moves and team options, also snow cloack>ice body lol

Scarf looks like oo, as its speed is pretty bad, and i would prefer to use frostom, although i do see its niche over that.
 
I disagree, outside of hail there is basically no reason to use Glaceon, while it is actually good on hail and has a niche there, so it doesn't make sense to base the analysis of an already mediocre mon on something which is not even its biggest niche. Plus hail is actually a reasonably decent playstyle, if we were talking about some random obscure thing I would agree but hail is actually not a bad playstyle at all. Seeing as we're accepting analyses for all fully evolved Pokemon at this point, I don't see why Glaceon's biggest niche shouldn't be the focus of its analysis when things less viable than Snover will be getting analyses evantually anyway.
 
I disagree, outside of hail there is basically no reason to use Glaceon, while it is actually good on hail and has a niche there, so it doesn't make sense to base the analysis of an already mediocre mon on something which is not even its biggest niche. Plus hail is actually a reasonably decent playstyle, if we were talking about some random obscure thing I would agree but hail is actually not a bad playstyle at all. Seeing as we're accepting analyses for all fully evolved Pokemon at this point, I don't see why Glaceon's biggest niche shouldn't be the focus of its analysis when things less viable than Snover will be getting analyses evantually anyway.

Hail is a joke lol as every team has to fit the structure of snover/ice type/ice type/hazard clearer (usually water type fire check)/fighting check/filler (prolly poliwrath as a fire and pawn check), and glaceon actually has a niche (even if small) outside of hail. On sticky webs it outspeeds a decent amount more than aurorus (tauros and sneasel iirc), and outside of webs it functions like flareon does, as a pivot wallbreaker. Honestly on hail i would rather use scarf or specs vaniluxe on hail as it can bait in water types and smack them with freeze dry (and outspeeds more). Try glaceon on volturn it works, as it can wear down raichus switch ins and vice versa
 
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No to Hail-reliant sets. Glaceon is pretty much inferior to Rotom-F and even Vanilluxe in Hail due to its poor Speed. Keep it as the Specs set with pivoting power in Baton Pass. Hail stuff (Blizzard mostly) can go to OO. You can mention opposing Hail helps Glaceon a little by triggering Ice Body.

Let's move along instead. Go write it up plz :>

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Blitzamirin are you still interested in doing this analysis? Let me know if you are not, so that I may reassign. You also have 48 hours to write this up, or I will just reassign regardless.
 
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