NOC Matrix 12 NOC - Game Over, Mafia Wins

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At work btw so won't be around for deadline

Agree with josh about yeti's entrance, I find it hard to find her town motivation for scumreading the most active players while her motivation for doing so as scum is obvious

Moreover she says that the people who pushed a haruno mislynch are scummy yet states one (knights) as her top tpwnread and scum reads the people on the ullar wagon

Not a good first look
 
Texas Cloverleaf said:
Agree with josh about yeti's entrance, I find it hard to find her town motivation for scumreading the most active players while her motivation for doing so as scum is obvious
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i was one of the most active players in popcorn, so was josh, and we were both scum. activity doesn't say a ton when you simply have boisterous, loud players who are going to post a lot as any alignment.

active players are usually poor early lynches because if they are town, they are vital to the win, but to say they shouldn't be scumread BECAUSE they are active is faulty af logic and you should know that if you're town.
 
Can I just scumread everyone and be done with it ;_;

Yeti said:
i was one of the most active players in popcorn, so was josh, and we were both scum. activity doesn't say a ton when you simply have boisterous, loud players who are going to post a lot as any alignment.

active players are usually poor early lynches because if they are town, they are vital to the win, but to say they shouldn't be scumread BECAUSE they are active is faulty af logic and you should know that if you're town.
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Scumread = thinks is acting scummy
Lynch target = kill someone who you think is likely to be mafia/unhelpful to town

am I getting that right?
 
I'll buzzword u back qt

shitty misrep there. it's correct that there's definite scum motivation in removing the active players, Texas did not use that as a basis to townread myself or asek but to scumread you.

do you not think things like hitmonleet intentionally lurking during the last lynch is alignment indicative?
 
Moreover it's funny how the most active people who you choose to scum read are all actively working together and have all scum read your slot

There's clear motivation behind you trying to break up the town bloc and to get other people to work against it as scum


At this point I'm thinking of a solve looking like Jalmont/YetiUllar/Pancake or King/DLE or King

It's very hard to see dle's vote last d1 as anything other than specifically saving ullar
 
nah his post is very clearly saying i should be scumread, for stating my two scumreads are [players who are the most active]

it's not players [who happen to be the most active], which would be one thing if his issue was solely with me scumreading texas and josh, separate from them being active

but saying i should be scumread for finding actives scummy is jank logic meant to dissuade town from looking too closely at high volume posters.

if hitmonleet was lurking during d1 lynch yes that is scummy af, i wasnt paying attn to it at deadline so idk who was lurking and who wasnt.

town bloc on d2 lmao buffoons

you all mislynched haruno on d1 and think there can be a town bloc formed off that

lmfao.
 
Yeti said:
king is often extremely useless as town and works against his own wc by getting stubborn af when hes not given info or cooperated with

its to the point his town meta IS to be obstinate and stubborn and unhelpful

ppl trying to take advantage of that scream scummy to me cause hes low hanging fruit to make look bad. he makes himself look bad. he doesnt need anyone's help.
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I used to think this about king but then he did this and flipped scum 3 times. It really is NAI. As obstinante as he is, straight up contradicting himself is also rare.

I was hesitant about it D1 cause there wasn't anything to go on but now there's the weird dynamic that evolved with Josh+people who agree with him and others resisting him, combined with a lot of awkwardness on how the end of D1 was handled with Haruno's lynch.
 
Activity from Ullar's slot is welcome, disagree with a Josh lynch today but could be convinced after a King flipping town. Rn I don't want to risk a lynch outside of King/Knights/Ullar now Yeti since my priority is to figure out on which side was scum in those d1 two counterwagons to King's.
 
ill say that moody was extremely easy to frame as inconsistent and contradictory, as scum onto town, in popcorn. if he flips town at any point the people who pressed him as scum the hardest need to be seriously examined because he was pretty easy to push as a "good" target due to how he'd townread a dude then say they were a good shot target in the same post who flips town but doesn't really incriminate you as the pusher.

idk his scumgame so he may well flip scum in this game, js, if he doesn't.
 
why did you ignore me asking you to reply to my king arguments?

exactly how much of the thread have you read, because you seen perfectly content to attack the high volume posters and ignore other discussion

I wasn't involved in the haruno wagon and was out at the time of the lynch, why do you keep referencing that? why would pushing for haruno be scummy, I see it the opposite because scum like to keep haruno/king/etc other easy mislynches alive for later if they can, so those are not good d1 targets
 
Yeti said:
ill say that moody was extremely easy to frame as inconsistent and contradictory, as scum onto town, in popcorn. if he flips town at any point the people who pressed him as scum the hardest need to be seriously examined because he was pretty easy to push as a "good" target due to how he'd townread a dude then say they were a good shot target in the same post who flips town but doesn't really incriminate you as the pusher.

idk his scumgame so he may well flip scum in this game, js, if he doesn't.
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see this is why I want to lynch you yeti. it's basically a useless post when you won't do more productive things. nobody has expressed a scumread on moody, he was and is widely townread even thouhh its sinking.
 
also, a lot of the game has been me saying stuff followed by hawkie/asek/Texas and others agreeing with me on various things, so if you scumread any of them for buddying I might sympathize but you're pushing me as the primary scum /and/ calling them (minus hawkie) scum, which baffles me.
 
i said i skimmed it and that im not digging for posts, if you want me to read something, especially before this day's deadline, go find it yourself and quote it. i wont be on until after deadline so you have ~an hour to present whatever you find most relevant for me to read before my phone goes off.
 
Yeti said:
blazade you're a sensible fellow do you want to sum up the EoD1 for me with the wagons and defenders and attackers
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Not gonna look back rn but offhand, Josh continues to push king into a deathtunnel with some lukewarm reactions from a bunch of people including me cautioning against NAI or dumbtown behavior, gets sheeped by something like Paperblade and Texas and a wagon builds up.

Meanwhile Hawkie makes good points about Ullar's thin reads with a vote and I agree and push that, about a day after that vote the king wagon builds and the king lukewarmers move onto Ullar.

King basically in a moment of last minute questioning actually calls out a definite scumread in Haruno, who a number of people agree seemed to be absent for some time. King pushes to move from Ullar to Haruno if everyone else does and kind of close to deadline that wagon gains traction. Most people IIRC parrot king/each other with reasoning, with Jalmont having the most blatently false reasoning when he added. King as promised follows and Haruno gets the axe.

I've got to pack tonight so I can't really read or do too much more. At least when I travel it'll be night lol.
 
if you've skimmed you'd have seen my king arguments because they were frequent and a lot of my content, which you scumread me for, so you should be able to reply to them. you still aren't calling king an alignment
 
texas buddying tf out of you is why i scumread him. i find his consistent "wow josh posted exactly what i wanted to!" extremely disingenuous and unverifiable except either to develop a united front if you're both scum or pocket you.
 
Josh said:
see this is why I want to lynch you yeti. it's basically a useless post when you won't do more productive things. nobody has expressed a scumread on moody, he was and is widely townread even thouhh its sinking.
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Actually, this is the tide coming in and out thing I was mentioning. There's 4 players, you among them, who scumread him D1, shifted to Townread on D2, and then kinda pulled back those reads as D2 progressed.
 
Yeti said:
texas buddying tf out of you is why i scumread him. i find his consistent "wow josh posted exactly what i wanted to!" extremely disingenuous and unverifiable except either to develop a united front if you're both scum or pocket you.
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trust me, I don't get pocketed. the only of the 3 I even strongly townread is asek, though hawkie and Texas are town leans.
 
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