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Tournament ZU Circuit 2026 Discussion Thread

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Hi ZU tournament players,

Just like last year, it is yet again time to discuss 2026 ZU Circuit. This is also the right place to discuss if you have feedback on the ongoing 2025 ZU Circuit.

I'm suggesting to keep scheduling about the same, but making ZUWC and ZU Swiss earlier, because their endings got delayed compared to 2024 due to qualifiers and bigger playoffs, respectively.

Now onto things, we want to consider for a change and would love to hear being discussed:
  • It's been suggested to replace ZUOL or ZUWC by ZUCL, following the NUCL / RUCL / UUCL format. Do you support this?
  • Are you happy with last year's format change to the 3 team tours? As a reminder, we introduced old gens in ZUWC (and moved to 8 starters), moved to 10 starters in ZUOL (by introducting SV), and made ZUPL 10 starters too (with ADV and one more SV).
You can discuss other topics as well, but the above should be the main focus of this discussion.
 
Hi, I was very vocal during the past months regarding a lot of stuff to be decided here so I figured I would post. Already said some of this in Discord but sometimes privately / not everything.

Re: What team tours should we have?
At this point, everyone knows I’m not a fan of the World Cup. It’s fundamentally unfair — if you’re stuck with a below-average team or one that simply isn’t motivated, there’s nothing you can do about it. So yeah, obviously I’m in favor of dropping it. Still, I’m genuinely looking forward to reading some pro-World Cup posts, because every argument I’ve heard so far has felt pretty weak.
Lower-tier World Cups tend to be dominated by the few regions with the highest concentration of competent mainers. That’s expected — more players putting in effort means stronger teams. There’s nothing inherently wrong with that, but we have to admit it makes the tournament far from competitive if you're not from the 2-3 regions with real chances.
Some people argued that the team imbalance from this year’s edition won’t happen again if we run in back, mainly because of the planned creation of a Midwestern US team (which would pull some players from the Northeast) and, for Europe, well… you know what happened.

USNE:
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Northeast’s biggest strength was their sheer concentration of top-tier tournament players from across the site — something no other region can really match — combined with mainers who actually care. Even their bench was stacked with strong builders and support players. As long as they have people capable of passing solid teams to competent pilots, they’ll always have a major edge over every other region.
Now, if a Midwest team gets formed, they’re supposedly losing players like avarice, beats, sleid, chungler, and ho3n. But let’s be honest: only avarice and beats played the entire tour. Sleid didn’t play at all, chungler only started in playoffs, and ho3n cancered or something. That’s hardly a meaningful loss looking at the total.
And even then, they’ve got replacements that are hardly downgrades — BloodAce was benched for part of last year, SBPC didn’t even make the roster but could easily fill a slot, and they could bring in Tack or shuffle Monai and others into BW if need be without Beats. The point is: they’ve got the depth. A Midwest team existing doesn’t really weaken them enough; they still have more than enough high-level players to remain dominant.
Europe:
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They lost fish anemometer, yo cho, anan2004, and Lily—though to be fair, they lost Lily during this year’s tour and still won it, so take that as you will. Losing fish and cho does hurt, since they were the ones building most of the SV teams for the pilots and were easily among the most active members. I saw it firsthand when I joined their server for finals (or maybe semis, can’t remember). Let's please not buy the Tuthur fake news that they actually lost 3x fish anemometer because the other two were ghost slots.
The real point with Europe is that even without fish and cho, they still have a stacked foundation: strong pilots and top tier mainers like Drud and OBB. The argument that “they’re not broken because they don’t care enough to build for teammates” is honestly kind of ridiculous. Maybe they don’t care that much—but for the tournament to have a chance at being fair, they need to not care. That’s the only thing holding them back from being as dominant as last year.
It’s like they’re saying, “Yeah, we’re still better than most teams, but don’t worry, we’re not trying that hard.” You just have to hope they actually stick to that, because if they start caring like fish and yo cho did, we’re back to square one: an unbalanced tournament dominated by the same region yet again.
So by the points above I would argue to remove World Cup from the 2026 circuit. I also recognize that it brings some benefits like being easily accessible in a different way to olympiad (unfortunately, not for all regions, which back up it being unfair once again) but that can be seen as positive because some people who are totally unrelated can have a play around and end up liking the metagame and sticking around (tldr: can bring people to the tier "by accident"), it's what happened to me after all, yet perhaps only to me so let's keep the impact numbers low. It just really sucks when you're stuck with a crew that gives zero fuck and you want to win and there is quite literally nothing you can do about it. Obviously for the tone of this post you can conclude that I think the cons outweight the pros by a lot, that's why I lean towards removing it.

Re: ZUCL
If we're getting rid of ZUWC, space opens up for ZUCL, which I personally think would be pretty hype. I managed in the original NUCL which spearheaded the flex format and it was a blast, and something I would love to do in ZU. Yet, there are some important points. Firstly, I think this should only be ran over World Cup, I'm saying this because I've seen people argue for it to be run over Olympiad, and it doesn't work for a couple reasons:
My interpretation of Olympiad is to be a beginner friendly tournament and inclusive one towards all the ZU metagames, even the unpopular and least competitive ones. Historically, it has also been used for mainers to learn a generation they have interest in after playing their main gen in PL or wherever else. That is, it's the chill tournament, with no prize, inclusive towards the gens that are still in development and easier to get drafted if you're new to the site or just not stablished in ZU, it's a true entrance door to the tier. And this entrance door proposal has nothing to do with the CL format: CL demands flexibility, and to have high level flexibility you need either veterans or good all rounder clickers, for the veterans, I think most would play anyway but we've seen some skip Olympiad before, maybe a new format can be exciting for them, as for the clickers, you really want the Custom Avatar prize to attract them on my understanding. Not to say that if you're new and getting drafted in CL and starting, you're likely just getting sacked into either a tier the team has no competent answers and the opponents are good, because well they picked it, or into the least competitive tiers. — hard to be less beginner friendly than this. Don't run CL over Olympiad please.
I'm getting tired so this will be quite raw: 6 teams, 8 slots, 2x fixed sv, 3x flex for each team, flex slots are SS-ADV. Yes, no RBY or GSC. These metagames are still in development and shifting while being oldgens in a very unstable fashion. This can potentially be revisited every year obviously but now is very early, mainly when they have like no playerbase.... at all. Why 6 teams? Because manager quality has been attrocious lately and we are lowkey depending on some random tour players to signup to run 8 teams in ZUPL so let's put the feet on the ground please. 10 slots over 8 is less crazy but PL already expanded and i've seen many people saying that 8 slots was better, which I agree with, mainly because 4x SV is too much and the playerbase is small in general, if you give each team one more flex per week in here (cl) the level drop probably won't be crazy but will make drafting tougher and such, I think 8 slots is good enough for a oldgen focused tour that aims on high level pokeman gameplay.

Re: Schedule
Even if we don't go forward with what I'm saying I would propose a change for the team tournament schedule, currently we're running it this way:
Olympiad (January) > ZUWC (April) > ZUPL (June). I would like to put Olympiad between PL and CL/WC so people can have a break if they want to skip it as it's consensually treated as less important. so ZUCL/ZUWC (January or nearby) > Olympiad (April or nearby) > ZUPL (June or nearby).

Thanks for reading,
-- the knight
 
In my opinion, ZUWC should be nuked and not replaced by another teamtour. ZUOL should be given its custom. Lower tier world cups are kinda bunions for partially the reasons havoc said and I also plain don't like being forced onto a team. If we keep it add ZU midwest though. If we add ZUCL instead make it during the fall or something because there's a gap there (UMPL doesn't count). Give it GSC but not RBY (im not trying to tierbash but RBY is not fun). I think Olympiad should always be in the winter, it has kind of became the winter zu tour at this point. If you wanna make it during the spring so I can manage though I don't mind. Make ZUPL so the auction is like late June at the latest, it's been getting progressively later and later and it's frankly getting ridiculous at this point.
Because manager quality has been **atrocious lately and we are lowkey depending on some random tour players to signup to run 8 teams in ZUPL
I think this is mostly untrue, we have plenty of influential people willing to signup to run 8 teams in ZUPL and we could probably get 10. 6 team playoffs are atrocious and the tournament is also short if we do that, which I don't like. I think we should run 8 teams in ZUOL and theoretically ZUCL too. 8 teams in ZUOL lets us have extra slots for beginners that would otherwise be lost due to the custom creating more signups.
I also still don't like how Olympiad is the "beginner" tour, but has tiers that are useless to learn like RBY and GSC, because they are not in ZUPL. It's fine but contradictory of the tour's mission.
I still think ZU Swiss should be ZU Majors instead, but the way it's been ran this year has been much better so I don't mind either really.

tldr
give zuol custom, make it 8 teams, manager quality is fine, remove zuwc and don't replace it > zuwc but with US midwest > zucl. dont move olympiad and the theoretical third tour. make ZUPL start in the 6th or 7th month of 2026.


You can discuss other topics as well, but the above should be the main focus of this discussion.
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